From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #233 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 5 2006 Volume 15 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Beck? Decemberists? [The Great Quail ] Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" [2fs ] Oh shiiiit! [The Great Quail ] Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" ["Spotted Eagle ] Re: Oh shiiiit! ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" ["Spotted Eagle ] Re: Oh shiiiit! [The Great Quail ] Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" [Eb ] Re: Oh shiiiit! ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Bleakest. Book. Ever. [Tom Clark ] Re: The Paranoiac-Critical Method (was: inane Broome squabbles) [hssmrg@b] Re: Bleakest. Book. Ever. [2fs ] Addendum [Eb ] Re: Beck? Decemberists? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] reap for one bad mammajamma [Eb ] Re:Groovy Mansfield ["Bri N" ] Re: Addendum [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: don't take the skinheads bowling/Music [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] random thoths ["ken ostrander" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:39:11 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Beck? Decemberists? Am I the only one who thinks "The Information" is this freaking good? Seriously, I think it may be Beck's best work. (Though "Odelay," you know, man...) And the new Decemberists. I've listened to it five times now, and I'm still not sure what to think. I like it, yeah, but part of me misses....you know.... I miss the rough edges and the jangles. But still, "Crane Wife" is really growing on me.... - --Quail, seeing Hank III tonight, yeeee haw! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:48:14 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" On 10/4/06, The Great Quail wrote: > > > and crying, "Lookit! Lookit! Lookit me!" Not to mention the time that you > and Jeff traded a mixed tape and then posted public reviews of it. Ugh. So > ridiculously clubbish and self-indulgent. First, it's "mix tape" (or CD): "mixed" is ambiguous ("I heard Bob's band's songs before the tapes were mixed"), and "mix tape" plays up its existence as a *mix* of songs, not just a random collection (as in "mixed nuts"). Anyway: I should clarify that for several years, I've coordinated a CD mix-swap list. It began over on the Loud Family list; at one point, I solicited members from this list. (A handful of folks from another swap list was inherited at one point as well.) Some members of that swap list post reviews of the mixes they receive, both as a courtesy to the person who made the mix and to stir up discussion. Shortly after several members of this list joined the swap mix, I (and a few other folks) would post our reviews of the swaps we received to both this list and the LF list (since at that point there were nearly as many participants here as there). I actually suggested that people do this in my e-mails about the swap list. Rex posted his comments on my mix (entitled _Animal Laminate_, if you want to check the archives), and one point I responded to some of those comments. I don't recall whether I was clarifying questions he had about the mix, or generally commenting further on the music I'd put on the mix. So there was nothing "clubbish" or whatever about that exchange (except insofar as the swap list itself is a "club"...to which anyone can belong if they're willing to make a mix every other month): it was two people on this list talking about music. (For the record, I don't believe I've received a mix CD from Rex - only a collection of Tom Verlaine rarities.) I know Michael Wells, and a few other folks here, are or were participants in that swap mix. I think that omits me, at least, from standing-on-the-high-chair-screaming characterizations in this matter. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:53:22 -0400 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: Re: Beck? Decemberists? On 04/10/06, The Great Quail wrote: > Am I the only one who thinks "The Information" is this freaking good? C'mon, man, it only came out yesterday. Going to get them today. Can hardly wait for Ys in November. Joanna and VDP - yay! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:54:00 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Oh shiiiit! My ranting post to Rex was meant to be OFFLIST!!!! I must have deleted the wrong "To" line. Sorry, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:38:45 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" Sigh. I guess it's not a real flame-war without a bloated post-game from Quail. On 10/4/06, The Great Quail wrote: > Since you mention me twice by name, and since I came back early from lunch > and don't feel like working.... > > > It is of course a cliche of online forums to say "Hey, guys, this is > > supposed to be a list about", but hey, guys, as much as all of us enjoy > > certain off-topic tangents, this IS a list about the music of Robyn > > Hitchcock > > Ah, that's the refuge of the List scoundrel, and you know it. Plenty of > folks around here, you included, post constant about off-topic subjects. > Now > you get in a hissy-fit with Eb and you cry "foul." Well, I qualified it as a cliche, basically because I knew you'd throw a shit-fit about it. > Eb's made plenty of musical posts lately, and most go ignored. Granted, > they > are rarely about Robyn, but most of the musical discussion here is > non-Robyn. That's why I particularly noted the period since OT came out. On Eb's recently mostly-ignored musical posts (the Amazon recommendations) I happily commented where I had an opinion. > > But your *constant* name-dropping of your own band drove me nuts. We all > have projects here, and we have all alluded to them. That's fine. There's > nothing wrong with letting your online pals and associates know what you > are > up to. But you practically stand up on your highchair, windmilling your > arms > and crying, "Lookit! Lookit! Lookit me!" Not to mention the time that you > and Jeff traded a mixed tape and then posted public reviews of it. Ugh. So > ridiculously clubbish and self-indulgent. Just get a blog like everyone > else. (A) You kinda missed the fact that all of it was self-deprecating, I guess. We just have different senses of humor. None of the "names" I dropped were even real. (B) As I noted, on the basis of objections by you and Eb alone, I stopped it. And you think of me as a crypto-fascist? Odd. (C) The posted mix tape review are common to another list that Jeff and I were both on at the time. Since those particular exchanges were germaine to the list, I cross-posted. I did the same thing with a mix that Michael Wells sent me. I am honestly surprised that music reviews bug you at all. They weren't about how awesome Jeffrey or Michael were, but comments about the music itself. Your problem with that is what you brought with you. > > Good Lord, Rex. Half of Eb's comments about music are snarky and > dismissive. > Big freaking deal, so he's snarky and dismissive. I bet he reads Pitchfork > Media, too. The problem is, you treat this like a crime or something; you > take it so personally. No, I take the personal potshots personally, because, they're like, personal. > Then you get emotional and hysterical, which only > winds him up more. Then you start with the more nasty, personal insults > like > "prick" and so forth, which you think is apparently justified because Eb > is > clearly the devil and you are so poor and helpless. I dunno why you think I play the martyr so often, or portray myself as poor or downtrodden. One thing that really bugs the shit outta me is that the main time when I have to talk about myself as if I'm a lot more self-absorbed than I am is when I have to answer these overblown accusations from you, like right now. And I don't dig it. Had a lot more fun talking about "Belltown Ramble" yesterday. > Eb's just this guy on the Internet who says snarky things about music and > occasionally trashes your opinions. That's all he is to you. But you have > characterized him as a creepy stalker who has had restraining orders put > against him and wants to eat your children. Eb has had restraining orders against him. > Your view of reality, at least as evidenced by your online persona, > strikes > me as warped. I feel like you are at the center of a concave lens, and > everything around you is distorted but the center: the precious, perfect > focus that is Rex. Huh? You're bringing a lot of your own baggage to this. I really don't think so highly of myself, or so dimly of the world around me. I do dislike unpleasant people, and do not relish conflict. > > I think that you must always feel secure, important, and right. And > anything > that threatens that is subject to your petulant hysterics. That is really bizarre. Partially in response to your constant assertions of this type, I qualify the living daylights out of what I offer up as opinions. "As I see it", "that's just the way it strikes me", etc. I did it time after time in the "Sister Lovers" thread; the opposing party was the one just saying that I was emprically "wrong". Jesus, I never claimed any kind of authority on anything. It's a funny accusation from you-- I mean, you're quite the didactic one. I know that it's usually meant humorously, but I kinda suspect you believe your own press. > > Actually, the pleasure I get in watching you implode is wholly dependent > on > your eagerness to play the victim. You say this about me again and again. It's horseshit. All I wanted to do in this case was clarify an *opinion* about the album. For the amount of times you've claimed I've imploded, how do you account for my continued normal happy every day existence? Shouldn't I be roaming the streets heeding my demons, or locked up somewhere? > It's not like Eb is picking on kids with > Down's Syndrome. Well, you might as well add that to the list of charges against me. > > See, that's almost funny -- but the problem is, you actually *believe* > what > you are writing. You *believe* Eb is a stalker, and you have absolutely no > respect for what he does creatively. You and I also part company here. I don't think hurting real people is funny, no. I don't call it "creative" so much as "obnoxious". How is glorying in hate mail "artistic"? > > See? "Bitter old queen" Again, that's almost funny, but I'm not sure you > mean it to be an over-the-top insult. There's a fine line between > dismissive > wit and hatefulness. Yeah, I did mean it as an over-the-top insult. Jesus. > No idea if the "faction" is larger or not -- though I find it interesting > that you use overtly political terms, which again exaggerates your sense > of > importance. Dude, whatever. > I am sure that more people are annoyed at Eb than you in general, Really? Now why would that be? > but I > don't think you make yourself look so good when you throw your tantrums. Then you certainly don't need to help me by writing a giant post underlining my self-sabotage, do you? > It's *that* kind of behavior that makes me really dislike you. It makes me > glad that you will never be in a position of power or authority. I simply > don't trust you, as if I sense the hidden fascist within the spoiled > child. Dude, you can sense the hiddn whatever within my whatever, whenever. Now who's throwing overtly political terminology into an arena where it doesn't belong? I don't posit any sort of leadership role or even "correctness" for myself at all. I'm just a guy. You see me as all puffed up and self-glorifying for god knows what reason. I see that as ironic-- maybe my version of "almost funny"-- but there's not much to it. > > Eh, I've been here for over ten years, and there's always been occasional > flames and personal "bitter shittiness." Heck, this is hardly any > different > from the Eb/hal wars. No, but wow, Eb got into fights with other list members? Huh. And he gets into fights with me. And Eddie. And other folks that've quit the list in disgust. That's just weird. Go figure. Bizarre. If only I could discern a pattern. I was offlist for 9-11, thank god, and the elections as well, but I probably would've stayed out of it as I do with most political discussions here. > So don't look back to a golden age. The vessels were broken at creation. > Again you're extrapolating something from I dunno what that I might've said. "Golden Age"? Huh" > A tired technique of yours, I think. To make the lame joke as if to say, > "See guys? All my ranting above? I'm really just a funny guy who does not > take this seriously." A tired technique of yours: all of them, including the offlist e-mails which treat me almost respectfully before heading back online to rant about me publicly. I'll give you credit for describing yourself as a pretentious blowhard, though. Basically, whatever. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:39:23 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Oh shiiiit! On 10/4/06, The Great Quail wrote: > > My ranting post to Rex was meant to be OFFLIST!!!! I must have deleted the > wrong "To" line. Riiiiiiiiiight. Good one. At least it was short. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:42:38 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" On 10/4/06, 2fs wrote: > > (For the record, I don't believe I've received a > mix CD from Rex - only a collection of Tom Verlaine rarities.) I know > Michael Wells, and a few other folks here, are or were participants in > that > swap mix. It's true, I actually owe you a mix disc. I wouldn't recommend reviewing it here, though. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:11:29 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Oh shiiiit! > Riiiiiiiiiight. Good one. You can believe what you want, but I think the way I talk about Eb and the List in general should be evidence that I wasn't expecting it to be a public post. - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:33:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: >> Eb's made plenty of musical posts lately, and most go ignored. >> Granted, >> they >> are rarely about Robyn, but most of the musical discussion here is >> non-Robyn. > > That's why I particularly noted the period since OT came out. Oh, you mean since YESTERDAY? > Eb has had restraining orders against him. Dig it! He IS Bill O'Reilly! Wow, Rex. You're either the most odious variety of disinformation- pushing scumbag, or simply an arrogant fool who has too easily swallowed hearsay you picked up in an alley somewhere. > No, but wow, Eb got into fights with other list members? Huh. And > he gets > into fights with me. And Eddie. And other folks that've quit the > list in > disgust. That's just weird. Other than that arrogant creep who couldn't stop panting over girls who wear glasses, I can't think of anyone who directly quit because of me. I suspect a lot more people quit over the Nader wars. Which were not Eb-centric (and, actually, were much more Eddie-centric). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:24:29 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: My name is Eb, and yes, God came down from the mountain and defined once and for all what it means for an album to be Sister Lovers-like On 10/3/06, FSThomas wrote: > > Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > Be very, very careful when bringing up people's children, being the > > creepy sociopath that you are. Parents get upset when unstable, > obsessive > > types like you talk about their kids. We don't take chances. So back > off. > > Note to self: petition state representatives to draft legislation for > parenting licenses. > Jesus, Ferris. As much as I don't hold with your politics, I never had much of a problem with you personally, but that's pretty offensive. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:23:53 -0400 From: "Luther Paisley" Subject: Re: My name is Eb, and yes, God came down from the mountain and defined once and for all what it means for an album to be Sister Lovers-like On 10/3/06, FSThomas wrote: > > Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > Be very, very careful when bringing up people's children, being the > > creepy sociopath that you are. Parents get upset when unstable, > obsessive > > types like you talk about their kids. We don't take chances. So back > off. > > Note to self: petition state representatives to draft legislation for > parenting licenses. > That seems like an odd stance for someone who believes in personal responsibility. Or.... do you think the government should regulate everyone else, and you should get to do whatever you want? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:32:06 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: Quail probably predicted this - --- j.blueberry@yahoo.com wrote: >>Do you mean IODOT? Because that's the album I've always heard that about - >>and it certainly sounds it. >Oh, yeah, that must be it. And it makes more sense, chronologically. >Wow, he must have been a trip back then! It's seems I heard that about Eye too. Didn't he go through a divorce around this time? - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:01:49 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is Eb, and yes, God came down from the mountain and defined once and for all what it means for an album to be Sister Lovers-like On 10/4/06, Luther Paisley wrote: > > > That seems like an odd stance for someone who believes in personal > responsibility. Or.... do you think the government should regulate > everyone > else, and you should get to do whatever you want? Well that's certainly what I believe: Ferris should get to do whatever he wants, and everyone else should be regulated. It's called "Ferrisocracy": look it up. Oh wait: I'm confusing Ferris with a superhot nymphomaniac babe. Never mind. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Bleakest. Book. Ever. Stacked Crooked wrote: >> I may not particularly like [Chavez], but he was >> democratically elected, and there's an >> effective opposition, so he cannot accurately be >> called a dictator. > > well, if foley can be called a "democrat"... Republican actually. . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:53:55 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Oh shiiiit! On 10/4/06, The Great Quail wrote: > > > Riiiiiiiiiight. Good one. > > You can believe what you want, but I think the way I talk about Eb and the > > List in general should be evidence that I wasn't expecting it to be a > public > post. On the contrary, it reads just like the kind of thing you post directly to the list every time you flip out. It never even OCCURRED to me that it might be anything other than public grandstanding, since, as I noted in my reply, you'd sent me a relatively civil private e-mail just beforehand, and that's your pattern. -SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:58:17 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Bleakest. Book. Ever. On Oct 4, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Stacked Crooked wrote: >>> I may not particularly like [Chavez], but he was >>> democratically elected, and there's an >>> effective opposition, so he cannot accurately be >>> called a dictator. >> >> well, if foley can be called a "democrat"... > > Republican actually. Not according to Fux News: http://tinyurl.com/p3bqe - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:22:24 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Paranoiac-Critical Method (was: inane Broome squabbles) Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 4 2006 Volume 15 : Number 232 Eb: 2. I exchanged messages with Ed Harcourt last night, and he said he > doesn't know if Astralwerks will put out his new album Beautiful Lie > or not. Troubling. Damn, that guy deserves better. Cannot figure out > why he doesn't have more of a critics' following (which, in turn, > would have generated more sales). * Well, he has an MRG following anyway. I'm going to see him at the Thekla next week, which has supposedly had a revamp since the wondrous Moussa Kouyate played there a few weeks ago. Brian, are you in for this? And who knows, I might get to Aberdare the following day to see McGuinn if circs permit. * My instinct on breakdowns is that 'Eye' is very clearly a b'down record, to the extent that I find most of the songs unlistenable but good, with 'Glass Hotel' as the standout. 'Decay'/'Decoy' is a different matter - overfunded and under-idea'd, though obviously '52 Stations' is one of the all-time great Hitchcock songs. IODOT is just great all the way through. I wonder if we have hit on an equivalent of the paranoiac-critical method, as recommended by a daft but Raphael-barmy Sp. painter. - - Mike Godwin n.p. 'Change Is Now' - The Byrds PS I've already got 'Beautiful Lie' - not as good as 'Monsters' IMO... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:54:56 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Bleakest. Book. Ever. n 10/4/06, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Oct 4, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > Stacked Crooked wrote: > >>> I may not particularly like [Chavez], but he was > >>> democratically elected, and there's an > >>> effective opposition, so he cannot accurately be > >>> called a dictator. > >> > >> well, if foley can be called a "democrat"... > > > > Republican actually. > > Not according to Fux News: > http://tinyurl.com/p3bqe Oh man, that's nasty. Considering that most Americans hadn't heard of him (as they haven't heard of most politicians) until this scandal, the odds are pretty good that a lot of folks are going to see that "D" (and not any corrections that might follow) and assume Pantin' Tom is another of those lewd and lascivious perverts of the Democrat party... Accident my ass. I'm also amused to hear Republicans berating Democrats for making "politics" out of this one...as if in so doing, they're not making politics out of it themselves. (Me, I don't think being a creep has anything to do with party affiliation...but funny how a lot of these tightly wound moral conservative types end up having a whole lot of very ugly skeletons in their closets... A local case would be a policeman, well-known as a strait-laced conservative, who (a lot of evidence suggests, although he hasn't been convicted yet) has had a nasty habit over the past ten years or so of threatening arrest and/or violence against women unless they have sex with him. He has a charming habit of exploiting women whose word would be unlikely to be believed over his (prostitutes, dancers, drug addicts, etc.). Just the kind of well-adjusted conservative you want protecting *your* community! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:20:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Addendum At the time he first said it, I assumed Rexmaniac was simply trolling me. But then he repeated it. And now I understand that he's telling at least one person off-list that he sincerely "knows" I've had restraining orders (plural) taken out against me. He "knows" this due to hearing first-hand accounts from people who have had "serious problems" with me in real life. Ahh. Yeah. Well, I guess this has one of three explanations: 1) Rex is maliciously spreading libelous disinformation which goes far beyond mere character attacks. 2) Rex managed to latch onto someone elsewhere who hates me so much that he/she would maliciously spread disinformation to HIM. 3) Rex has utterly lost his marbles and broken with reality. At this point, it's hard to say which. I must admit that, given Rex's eggshell instability in recent times, #3 is less far-fetched than it initially seems. In any case, if he persists with this poison, he's going to owe me the biggest, fattest, most groveling, I'm-your-bitch-for-life apology in the history of the list. So, stay tuned. Restraining order? I've never even ordered strained peas. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:00:18 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Beck? Decemberists? The Great Quail wrote: > > And the new Decemberists. I've listened to it five times now, and I'm still > not sure what to think. It certainly has teh pr0g. Yes, it's a prog album. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:27:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: reap for one bad mammajamma http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061004/cgw075.html?.v=25&printer=1 Tamara Dobson, 59 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:16:09 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re:Groovy Mansfield MG: 'Decay'/'Decoy' is a different matter - overfunded and under-idea'd, though obviously '52 Stations' is one of the all-time great Hitchcock songs. - --------- I'm probably alone on this, but I think Tony Mansfield should've produced Groovy Decay. I liked what he did with Captain Sensible around 1982 (and he was working close to RH, but probably too expensive for the times). Anyway it would've ended up even more dated, but I love Tony's production. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Addendum On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Eb wrote: > At this point, it's hard to say which. I must admit that, given Rex's > eggshell instability in recent times, #3 is less far-fetched than it > initially seems. In any case, if he persists with this poison, he's > going to owe me the biggest, fattest, most groveling, > I'm-your-bitch-for-life apology in the history of the list. So, stay > tuned. Stay tuned? I'd rather change the channel. How do I do that, again? :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:38:47 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: don't take the skinheads bowling/Music >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:19:56 -0400 >From: "Dane Horsfeld" >Subject: > >Okay, a real live music qustion for all yoooo fine >people... If I always hated Camper van Beethocen >back in the day because they sounded like Weird Al shit >to me, should I still givethis Key Lime PIe a try? Interesting. perrhaps it's just my cultural background, but I've never noticed a Weird Al similarity at all, but "TTSB" always sounds to me like an out-take from an early album by The Clean. Listen to a couple of early Clean tracks like "Beatnik" and "Tally-Ho!" (both considerably pre-CvB) and see what I mean. >3. some more rejections: >Bic Runga-Birds not her best by a country mile. "Beautiful Collision" is worthwhile, though. >Lindsey Buckingham-Under the Skin [surprisingly weird, though!] not that surprising when you realise that the more warped parts of the F Mac repertoire were largely down to him... it was Buckingham who was almost solely responsible for the hopeful monster that is "Tusk", f'rinstance. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:02:02 -0400 From: "ken ostrander" Subject: random thoths Sebastian Hagedorn Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>Turns out that's an Austrian band named Luxor :-( I figured it was my >mistake and I never tried to return it. Eventually I got the CD I actually >wanted. Well, that was certainly a waste of money, because they're *both* >crap ... ;-) weird. i was listening to the topical crap when i read this. i have to say that i do skip around a bit. i like to start at the titular instrumental. what is robyn's fascination with denial...i mean, the nile anyhow? is it the book of the dead? the hermaphroditic mummies? the cream? and how did this come to pass?: http://www.egyptgiftshop.com/egypt_dvd_shop Eb ElBroome@earthlink.net>Well, if nothing else, at least this discussion showed why you think >there is such a lengthy list of albums which are Sister Lovers-esque. >With criteria this loose and forgiving, noooo wonder. it's certainly more interesting and entertaining (to me) than random lists from amazon based on it's attempts to sell you more product. Eb >There's a difference between "influence" or "appreciation," and >EMULATION. no, there's a difference between "facts" and "opinions". is someone going to emulate an album that they don't appreciate? wouldn't such an album be an influence? "Spotted Eagle Ray" >Good god, do I have to fax you >my degree or IQ test or *what* to convince you that maybe, just possibly, I >am not stupid and there might occasionally be validity to my opinions? this is where you lost me. don't try to change the unchangeable. reflect on this koan: "While All is in THE ALL, it is equally true that THE ALL is in All." FSThomas >Note to self: petition state representatives to draft legislation for >parenting licenses. sounds like government interferance to me. next you'll be suggesting is that we tax the rich. Carrie Galbraith >ps: the sickest news I've heard in a long time is what happened in >Washington last Thursday when the constitution was completely scrapped >and King George came in to his own. it's hard to wrap your brain around it; but i believe that the roman republic only lasted two hundred years. theodius >The guest on his television program, beamed across Venezuela, >was Cindy Sheehan, the antiwar activist. Chavez recently had as his >guest Harry Belafonte, who called President Bush "the greatest terrorist >in the world." agreed. pre-emptive war is terrorism. hey, hugo and i are both reading the same author. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214709,00.html i've been creeping (and creeped out) through 'failed states', listening to 'modern times' (and various treasures from the local library like 'the who sell out' and 'jaco pastorius'), waiting for my copy of 'ole' to arrive. i could've just held on and bought it at the local hipster music emporium; but no, i was suckered in by the extra track at yep roc. how long does it take to ship a cd? what did i pay shipping for? ken " the country of my fathers, a proud land of old order, like a goldfish being swallowed by a whale" the kenster ps. is it a coincidence that 'ole' and the dvd of 'the little mermaid' were released on the same day? that lean-old mean-old inbetween-old half unclean-old duke of squeeze? ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #233 ********************************