From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #232 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 4 2006 Volume 15 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Depends which calendar you use [Christopher Hintz ] A new Robyn interview... [wojbearpig ] [Eb ] don't take the skinheads bowling ["Dane Horsfeld" ] Re: My name is Eb, and yes, God came down from the mountain and defined once and for all what it means for an album to be Sister Lovers-like [] Re: Quail probably predicted this [J ] Re: don't take the skinheads bowling ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: don't take the skinheads bowling [Eb ] Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" [Eb ] Jesus! Chill out! [The Great Quail ] Re: don't take the skinheads bowling ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: don't take the skinheads bowling [Tom Clark ] RE: Bleakest. Book. Ever. ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" [The Great Quail] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:34:54 -0400 From: Christopher Hintz Subject: Depends which calendar you use Fegs, or, "fags" as it comes up in my address book for some reason--that must be a woj joke, I know I didn't make such a pun, I'm pretty sure that The Tain was recorded looooong before Picaresque. The Tain, originally came out on Acuarela in March 04. Picaresque was recorded Summer 2004, in a church, came out March 05 on KRS. And I can certainly find room in my heart for anyone who doesn't love The Crane Wife as much as I do. Though it's hard. And makes me feel somewhat superior But it's fine, really. Rev ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:19:31 -0400 From: wojbearpig Subject: A new Robyn interview... - ----- Forwarded message from Will Harris ----- From: "Will Harris" To: Subject: A new Robyn interview... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:35:22 -0400 .and, I don't mind saying, a pretty in-depth one at that. (Plus, there's a plug for Fegmania.org in it, too!) http://www.bullz-eye.com/music/interviews/2006/robyn_hitchcock.htm Best, William Harris Associate Editor Bullz-Eye.com - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:55:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Good news: I get a free Diamond Rio CD, which just might be worth a buck in trade-back. Bad news: no Bats. I guess I should give the seller "positive feedback" since I technically came out ahead in this transaction, but I sure don't feel like a winner. (Now there's a straight line for someone to jump on.) Hello and thank you for your email. Please accept our apologies for the delay in our response. We sincerely apologize for the wrong item that you received. I have searched our system and unfortunately, the item is currently unavailable and we were unable to locate another copy for you. I have submitted your order for a refund. Please allow up to 7-10 business days for this to post back to your method of payment. Please keep the wrong product on us; in order to avoid further inconvenience, please don't worry about returning it to us. Your feedback is important to us, and we are listening. When customers are unahppy with the service they've received, we need to hear about it. These responses act as a guide for us in our ongoing commitment to provide total customer satisfaction. If there was a problem with your order and we are able to quickly correct the issue, it would be sincerely appreciated if you could take the time to post or update your feedback to reflect a satisfying experience with GoHastings. This lets us know we're moving in the right direction and improves our overall rating. We have included a link that will take you directly to your order and allow you to post or update your feedback. If there are still loose ends, or if we can serve you in any way, please feel free to contact us. We are here to help. Again, we apologize for the inconvenience and look forward to serving you in the future. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:19:56 -0400 From: "Dane Horsfeld" Subject: don't take the skinheads bowling Okay, a real live music qustion for all yoooo fine people... If I always hated Camper van Beethocen back in the day because they sounded like Weird Al shit to me, should I still givethis Key Lime PIe a try? I don't give a flying duck whether it sounds like Sister Lovers or not, I'[m just kind of surprised to hear it's depressing at all. That could be interesting. Actually, I lied, I do care if it sounds like Big Star because S.Lovers is one of my favorite records, but didn't Alex Chilton say the only thing he'd ever heard that reminded him of it was Zen Arcade? It was some fucked up thing like that. It oculd have been the Flaming Lips first record. Anyone remember what I'm talking about? P.S. I stopped paying attention to who said what, but whichever guy threatened the other guy's kid's, you need to chill the fuck out. You're on the internet now. Have a beer. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:31:08 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: My name is Eb, and yes, God came down from the mountain and defined once and for all what it means for an album to be Sister Lovers-like On 10/3/06, Eb wrote: > > > > CUC-koo... CUC-koo.... Wow, you have a real talent for devolving anything into "I know you are but what am I", all the while accusing others of juvenile behavior, blind to the irony. I'm really not kidding. Based on your writings and self-depiction as an obsessive loner, and the way you get your jollies out of hurting others, I think you could use help. That's actual friendly advice, not that you would recognize such a thing, - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) From: J Subject: Re: Quail probably predicted this >Do you mean IODOT? Because that's the album I've always heard that about - >and it certainly sounds it. Oh, yeah, that must be it. And it makes more sense, chronologically. Wow, he must have been a trip back then! . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:17:51 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: don't take the skinheads bowling On 10/4/06, Dane Horsfeld wrote: > > Okay, a real live music qustion for all yoooo fine > people... If I always hated Camper van Beethocen > back in the day because they sounded like Weird Al shit > to me, should I still givethis Key Lime PIe a try? > I don't give a flying duck whether it sounds like Sister > Lovers or not, I'[m just kind of surprised to hear it's > depressing at all. That could be interesting. I don't know. You might not like it... it's definitely dark, but not without CVB absurdity, although none of it is quite the novelty-level stuff that you probably don't dig from their early stuff. It's certainly less fragmented and jokey than those early CVB records, and intelligently written. I'd say listen to some samples to see how much you dig the general sound... if it sounds tolerable, dig in and see what you make of the lyrical content. > Actually, I lied, I do care if it sounds like Big Star > because S.Lovers is one of my favorite records, > but didn't Alex Chilton say the only thing he'd ever > heard that reminded him of it was Zen Arcade? It > was some fucked up thing like that. It oculd have > been the Flaming Lips first record. Anyone remember > what I'm talking about? I'm sure Eb could set this Chilton joker straight because neither of those records sound as much like Sister Lovers as that Chris Stamey album. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:22:43 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" Two modest proposals: 1) "Ebmaniax" should be a separate ongoing concern from "Fegmaniax". It is of course a cliche of online forums to say "Hey, guys, this is supposed to be a list about", but hey, guys, as much as all of us enjoy certain off-topic tangents, this IS a list about the music of Robyn Hitchcock, who's just put out a record that a lot of us are enjoying, and enjoying discussing. Now, meanwhile, one guy who posts here pretty much more than anyone else hasn't said one word about it. My guess is that Eb doesn't have it, hasn't heard it, and doesn't especially plan to, as he's obviously here for other reasons. What we have heard from him since OT came out is details about his birthday, his mood (invariably sour), his drinking escapades, his mother's sex life, Lawndart, blah blah blah. Now, none of that would rankle me personally if not for the fact that Eb (and to a lesser extent Quail) used to take me to task extensively for posting about my personal life and creative endeavors (although he's rarely complained about anyone else doing so) to the point where I actually have stopped doing so, even though nobody else seemed to be bothered by it, to save myself the grief. So there should probably be some other Eb-O-Sphere where those who care can follow the drama. Besides that, and I'm sure someone will post extensively about how I bring this all on myself, there's Eb's totally inexplicable obsessive vendetta against me. We're all familiar with the pattern, but when you look at it from the outside it's truly bizarre. It goes like this: some kind of passing, uncontroversial comment or opinion from me-- and real-life examples include "Herb Alpert is a musician as well as a producer", "There are a few records which resemble Big Star's Third in some ways", "Scott Miller albums might be worth a listen", and "I watched an episode of The Gilmore Girls and didn't find it especially engaging"-- brings a snarky, dismissive comment from Eb. I proceed to consider the comment, and write a few sentences explaining my point of view, usually including some actual examples and plenty of disclaimers that I'm just stating my opinion. Eb's responses consist of bitchy, sneering sentence fragments ignoring any specific points I have raised. This cycle repeats itself and escalates until I correctly identify Eb's behavior as obnoxious, usually using obscene language. Eb then responds with some variation on "you said a bad word and you are nuts". As far as I can tell, the *only* human being who derives actual pleasure from these exchanges is Eb himself; certainly other list members have voiced a lack of enthusiasm for the whole thing. Why Eb, and why me? I don't fucking know! Plenty of others have disagreed with me about politics, the Gilmore Girls, the merits of various other bands, Family Guy, whatever, and it never blows up that way. Do I bring it on myself? If so, why doesn't anyone else kick me around for it? These are honest questions, kids. I truly believe the only time I've deliberately provoked Eb (and not the other way 'round) was when I called him a sick puppy for boasting about how much he enjoyed the hate mail he got at his stalkerific website devoted to an artistically neglible murderess, and... well, I pretty much stand by that one. For my part, I've finally done what others have frequently advised and filtered the bitter old queen's address from my inbox. I'd recommend the same to other Eb non-fans (I literally know you're out there, because I hear from you offlist in droves every time this happens (and yes, Quail, I know you correspond regularly with a doubtless even larger anti-SER faction, which is fine and well, but they've never expressed themselves to me, so I can't comment on that)). Anyway, this move should make it easy enough for me to keep up on Robyn/squid/music/lit/anime/political/crustacea etc. news and opinions without the side of bitter shittiness that's become all too familiar over the past few years, and oughtta save the rest of you a little action on the delete keys as well. 2) We should eat old people, because of, like, overpopulation and stuff. See you around and much love, SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:24:25 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: don't take the skinheads bowling On Oct 4, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Dane Horsfeld wrote: > Okay, a real live music qustion for all yoooo fine > people... If I always hated Camper van Beethocen > back in the day because they sounded like Weird Al shit > to me, should I still givethis Key Lime PIe a try? > I don't give a flying duck whether it sounds like Sister > Lovers or not, I'[m just kind of surprised to hear it's > depressing at all. That could be interesting. Go for it. Their first couple albums had the same lo-fi jokey vibe like Skinheads, but KLP is nicely produced and accessible. From there you might even want to move backward to Telephone Free Landslide Victory, which is kind of a bridge between the two styles. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:30:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: don't take the skinheads bowling Dane Horsfeld wrote: >> should I still givethis Key Lime PIe a try? Based on your Weird Al comparison, I'd say...no. > P.S. I stopped paying attention to who said what, > but whichever guy threatened the other guy's kid's, > you need to chill the fuck out. You're on the internet > now. Have a beer. You're obviously NOT paying much attention, because telling someone he's as immature as his kids does not constitute "threatening" said progeny. I wonder how badly Rex will embarrass himself today. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:07:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" > What we have heard from > him since OT came out is details about his birthday, his mood > (invariably > sour), his drinking escapades, his mother's sex life, Lawndart, > blah blah > blah. Now, none of that would rankle me personally if not for the > fact that > Eb (and to a lesser extent Quail) used to take me to task > extensively for > posting about my personal life and creative endeavors The difference is: anecdote vs. indulgent self-promotion. And in many cases, sheer LENGTH. Also, a lot of my personal tidbits are just peripheral asides dropped at the end of posts about other things, rather than being presented in your grand "announcement" format. And really, the only "details of my birthday" which I posted beyond saying I was sick and hung over was just mentioning some records I bought (including "Spooked"). Which is on-topic, as far as I'm concerned. I actually did write a much longer birthday account which I sent around to some friends, but I did not post it here because I don't do that for this e-world anymore. > Besides that, and I'm sure someone will post extensively about how > I bring > this all on myself, there's Eb's totally inexplicable obsessive > vendetta > against me. We're all familiar with the pattern, but when you look > at it > from the outside it's truly bizarre. It goes like this: some kind of > passing, uncontroversial comment or opinion from me-- and real-life > examples > include "Herb Alpert is a musician as well as a producer", "There > are a few > records which resemble Big Star's Third in some ways", "Scott > Miller albums > might be worth a listen", and "I watched an episode of The Gilmore > Girls and > didn't find it especially engaging"-- brings a snarky, dismissive > comment > from Eb. I proceed to consider the comment, and write a few sentences > explaining my point of view, usually including some actual examples > and > plenty of disclaimers that I'm just stating my opinion. > Eb's responses consist of bitchy, sneering sentence fragments > ignoring any > specific points I have raised. This cycle repeats itself and > escalates > until I correctly identify Eb's behavior as obnoxious, usually > using obscene > language. Eb then responds with some variation on "you said a bad > word and > you are nuts". What a ridiculously deluded whitewash, as Rex avoids acknowledging his own recurrent petulant hysteria and perpetual always-teetering-on- emotional-edge-ever-since-his-marital-separation-ness. > Do I bring it on myself? If so, why doesn't anyone else kick me > around for it? You mean like Quail? Or when Ferris entered to imply you're unfit to be a parent? (A far more serious charge than anything I said, incidentally.) > I truly believe the only time I've deliberately > provoked Eb (and not the other way 'round) was when I called him a > sick > puppy for boasting about how much he enjoyed the hate mail he got > at his > stalkerific website devoted to an artistically neglible murderess, > and... > well, I pretty much stand by that one. Yeah, yeah. Call me prick/ass/thick-skull/sociopath some more, and "troll" by insisting I've had restraining orders filed against me. > For my part, I've finally done what others have frequently advised and > filtered the bitter old queen's address from my inbox. I'd > recommend the > same to other Eb non-fans (I literally know you're out there, > because I hear > from you offlist in droves every time this happens Yeah, sure. Probably from the same imaginary people who have filed restraining orders against me. At least I won't have to deal with Rex's double-sent messages anymore. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:13:16 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: don't take the skinheads bowling On 10/4/06, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Oct 4, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Dane Horsfeld wrote: > > > Okay, a real live music qustion for all yoooo fine > > people... If I always hated Camper van Beethocen > > back in the day because they sounded like Weird Al shit > > to me, should I still givethis Key Lime PIe a try? > > I don't give a flying duck whether it sounds like Sister > > Lovers or not, I'[m just kind of surprised to hear it's > > depressing at all. That could be interesting. > > Go for it. Their first couple albums had the same lo-fi jokey vibe > like Skinheads, but KLP is nicely produced and accessible. From > there you might even want to move backward to Telephone Free > Landslide Victory, which is kind of a bridge between the two styles. Or after TFLV but before KLP, Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart - also a finely written set of songs, and less shticky than their earlier stuff. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:36:13 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Jesus! Chill out! Whoah, guys. All Eb said was that Rex's subject line had the same emotional maturity level as his kids. Which is to say that it was childish. Eb did not threaten anyone's kids, stalk anyone's kids, or say a disparaging word about anyone's kids. What is this, Fox News? - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:18:54 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: don't take the skinheads bowling On 10/4/06, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Oct 4, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Dane Horsfeld wrote: > > > Okay, a real live music qustion for all yoooo fine > > people... If I always hated Camper van Beethocen > > back in the day because they sounded like Weird Al shit > > to me, should I still givethis Key Lime PIe a try? > > I don't give a flying duck whether it sounds like Sister > > Lovers or not, I'[m just kind of surprised to hear it's > > depressing at all. That could be interesting. > > Go for it. Their first couple albums had the same lo-fi jokey vibe > like Skinheads, but KLP is nicely produced and accessible. From > there you might even want to move backward to Telephone Free > Landslide Victory, which is kind of a bridge between the two styles. Tom, did you mean Telephone or Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart? (Those tongue-twister titles do start to sound interchangeable after a while, bit it sounds like you were talking about KLP's immediate predecessor.) - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:20:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Music 1. Heard some bits of a possibly good band called "What Made Milwaukee Famous" yesterday...anyone like 'em? Glibly speaking, sort of a Grandaddy/Weezer mix, on Barsuk. 2. I exchanged messages with Ed Harcourt last night, and he said he doesn't know if Astralwerks will put out his new album Beautiful Lie or not. Troubling. Damn, that guy deserves better. Cannot figure out why he doesn't have more of a critics' following (which, in turn, would have generated more sales). 3. some more rejections: Hem-Funnel Cloud Roger McGuinn-Roger McGuinn & Band Ben Kweller-Ben Kweller Gene Clark-Under the Silvery Moon The Pernice Brothers-Live a Little Bic Runga-Birds Indigo Girls-Despite Our Differences Amos Lee-Supply and Demand The Hold Steady-Boys and Girls in America Lindsey Buckingham-Under the Skin [surprisingly weird, though!] The Killers-Sam's Town James Taylor-James Taylor The Contrast-Forget to Tell the Time Oranger-New Comes and Goes Solomon Burke-Make Do with What You Got Marianne Faithfull-Dreaming My Dreams Jet-Shine On 4. Still less than halfway through the weekend record-buying binge. So far, the standout item is clearly The Hissing of Summer Lawns, but I haven't played the Faithfull CD yet and I'm expecting to like that a lot. Haven't played Spooked or 50 Foot Wave yet, either. Happily, it looks like I'm going to enjoy the High Llamas disc more than expected -- I've felt like their releases have been getting worse and worse for years, and this seems like the first one in awhile which is *better* than its predecessor. Sounds like O'Hagan has finally gotten Stereolab out of his system. Komeda's Pop Pa Svenska exceeded expectations, too. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:25:18 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: don't take the skinheads bowling On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > Tom, did you mean Telephone or Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart? > (Those tongue-twister titles do start to sound interchangeable > after a while, bit it sounds like you were talking about KLP's > immediate predecessor.) > D'oh! You're right. BRS is what I was thinking of. Take off that orange jumpsuit, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:15:28 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: RE: Bleakest. Book. Ever. you're probably thinking of *Groovy Decay*: . i assumed it was that you didn't know where to begin. well, if foley can be called a "democrat"... bulletin board posting of the moment: Re: 2006/10/03 - Manchester, NH - Verizon Wireless Center - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- First off the Lateralus tour was way better and had a pit. I dont understand how people can sit down in the front and have a good time. Tool has changed and if they dont start putting out good musick again they will lose me as a fan. You cant have a heavy metal concert without a pit. I mean really the goth heads at the skinny puppy concert in philly were moshing. maynard didnt move the whole show and everyone else pretty much stood still the whole night. When I saw tool back in 98 on the ozzfest tour they were great. This wasnt great and stop trying to act like pink floyd and just play heavy and loud. Tool fans have changed into a bunch of yuppie scum from what it was in the beginning. The slayer show was much better and had a pit. I dont go to the show only for the musick its the whole thing and lights dont do it. Chicks taking off their tops does and I didnt see any naked breasts tonight. And they stopped selling drinks at 10pm lame. Tool listen up dudes put out another CD and make it soon and harder and more aggressive and stop trying to be Creed and preaching all the time in the lyrics they should fire Maynard. Who told that guy to sing in falsetto on the pot horrible. If your going to do a wall like concept cd then to it already at least smashing pumpkins tried with mellon collie. Five years between cd's is stupid. Shelf the perfect circle crap already . You ruined imagine. Tool is starting to fad away just like Metallica did. Listen to your fans. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:28:13 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: My best attempt to deal with the ongoing "situation" Since you mention me twice by name, and since I came back early from lunch and don't feel like working.... > It is of course a cliche of online forums to say "Hey, guys, this is > supposed to be a list about", but hey, guys, as much as all of us enjoy > certain off-topic tangents, this IS a list about the music of Robyn > Hitchcock Ah, that's the refuge of the List scoundrel, and you know it. Plenty of folks around here, you included, post constant about off-topic subjects. Now you get in a hissy-fit with Eb and you cry "foul." Eb's made plenty of musical posts lately, and most go ignored. Granted, they are rarely about Robyn, but most of the musical discussion here is non-Robyn. > Now, none of that would rankle me personally if not for the fact that > Eb (and to a lesser extent Quail) used to take me to task extensively for > posting about my personal life and creative endeavors I could care less who posts what about their personal life. Truth be told, it does not often make me comfortable, whether or not it's a friend like Eb or someone I barely know. But your *constant* name-dropping of your own band drove me nuts. We all have projects here, and we have all alluded to them. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with letting your online pals and associates know what you are up to. But you practically stand up on your highchair, windmilling your arms and crying, "Lookit! Lookit! Lookit me!" Not to mention the time that you and Jeff traded a mixed tape and then posted public reviews of it. Ugh. So ridiculously clubbish and self-indulgent. Just get a blog like everyone else. > brings a snarky, dismissive comment > from Eb. Good Lord, Rex. Half of Eb's comments about music are snarky and dismissive. Big freaking deal, so he's snarky and dismissive. I bet he reads Pitchfork Media, too. The problem is, you treat this like a crime or something; you take it so personally. Then you get emotional and hysterical, which only winds him up more. Then you start with the more nasty, personal insults like "prick" and so forth, which you think is apparently justified because Eb is clearly the devil and you are so poor and helpless. Eb's just this guy on the Internet who says snarky things about music and occasionally trashes your opinions. That's all he is to you. But you have characterized him as a creepy stalker who has had restraining orders put against him and wants to eat your children. Your view of reality, at least as evidenced by your online persona, strikes me as warped. I feel like you are at the center of a concave lens, and everything around you is distorted but the center: the precious, perfect focus that is Rex. Eb mentions your kids -- who you have brought up several times -- and he's a dangerous sicko. I joke about LA and New York sinking into the sea, and I am a sadist. Etc. I think that you must always feel secure, important, and right. And anything that threatens that is subject to your petulant hysterics. > As far as I can tell, the *only* human being who derives > actual pleasure from these exchanges is Eb himself Actually, the pleasure I get in watching you implode is wholly dependent on your eagerness to play the victim. It's not like Eb is picking on kids with Down's Syndrome. > when I called him a sick > puppy for boasting about how much he enjoyed the hate mail he got at his > stalkerific website devoted to an artistically neglible murderess See, that's almost funny -- but the problem is, you actually *believe* what you are writing. You *believe* Eb is a stalker, and you have absolutely no respect for what he does creatively. You essentially dehumanize him, and there's little humor in that. Except for the fact that you get so spiteful, while still pretending to be the "good guy" and the victim. That's actually a bit amusing. > For my part, I've finally done what others have frequently advised and > filtered the bitter old queen's address from my inbox. See? "Bitter old queen" Again, that's almost funny, but I'm not sure you mean it to be an over-the-top insult. There's a fine line between dismissive wit and hatefulness. You are a man with little sense of irony. > (and yes, Quail, I know > you correspond regularly with a doubtless even larger anti-SER faction, > which is fine and well, but they've never expressed themselves to me, so I > can't comment on that) No idea if the "faction" is larger or not -- though I find it interesting that you use overtly political terms, which again exaggerates your sense of importance. I am sure that more people are annoyed at Eb than you in general, but I don't think you make yourself look so good when you throw your tantrums. And exaggerating Eb's comments about your subject line? That was pure Bill O'Reilly stuff. It's *that* kind of behavior that makes me really dislike you. It makes me glad that you will never be in a position of power or authority. I simply don't trust you, as if I sense the hidden fascist within the spoiled child. > and opinions without the side of bitter shittiness that's become all too > familiar over the past few years, and oughtta save the rest of you a little > action on the delete keys as well. Eh, I've been here for over ten years, and there's always been occasional flames and personal "bitter shittiness." Heck, this is hardly any different from the Eb/hal wars. Remember Nader? That was a hard time for the List. You were here after 911, right? Half of the New York Fegs unsubscribed after that -- but because they were driven away by the "liberal good guys," there's been very little commentary about that. So don't look back to a golden age. The vessels were broken at creation. > 2) We should eat old people, because of, like, overpopulation and stuff. A tired technique of yours, I think. To make the lame joke as if to say, "See guys? All my ranting above? I'm really just a funny guy who does not take this seriously." - --Quail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #232 ********************************