From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #214 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, September 16 2006 Volume 15 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT: Raconteurs [Steve Maser ] RE: more dates from yep roc ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: OT: Raconteurs [Steve Maser ] Re: YouTube - Mary Margaret O'Hara ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] protest songs [Jill Brand ] Re: protest songs [FSThomas ] Re: YouTube - Mary Margaret O'Hara (but not so much) [Eb ] Re: protest songs ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Another batch of albums for you to comment upon [Eb ] Last Warbles pre-order (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Another batch of albums for you to comment upon ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Protest songs, and a reap [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Protest songs, and a reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Another batch of albums for you to comment upon ["Stewart C. Russell"] Re: Another batch of albums for you to comment upon [Sebastian Hagedorn <] Re: more dates from yep roc ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: more dates from yep roc ["michael wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:06:16 -0400 From: Steve Maser Subject: Re: OT: Raconteurs >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:07:19 -0500 >From: Marcy Tanter >Subject: OT: Raconteurs > >Has anyone been to a Raconteurs show? My husband wants to take our 13 yr >old to the show in Ft Worth tomorrow night and I'm a little hesitant. > > > >Marcy Saw them at the Michigan Theater about a month ago. It was one of the loudest shows I'd seen/heard in quite some time. Jack Black has star-quality stage presence, though. I enjoyed the show (set was about an hour), but my friend hated it because it was too loud for him. - - Steve - -- Steve Maser (maser@umich.edu) | Thinking is man's only basic virtue, Desktop Support Manager | from which all the others proceed. Dept. of Mechanical Engineering | -- Ayn Rand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:24:21 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: RE: more dates from yep roc M Wells: >> WE 11.08.06 The Metro Chicago, IL w/ Venus 3 >> TH 11.09.06 Magic Bag Detroit, MI w/ Venus 3 >> FR 11.10.06 Mod Club Toronto, ON w/ Venus 3 > > >That's a nice little run, innit? I'm seriously tempted to take a >couple >vacation days and see all three. Plus that means a 'Rush tour' of >Toronto is in the offing ;) > >Nuppy, what's your schedule look like? > >Michael "I'll meet you at the corner of Danforth & Pape" Wells The Cleveland date is very tempting too and I could see my brother... Tanya and I are in for the Detroit show. Nov 10 is her birthday so we'll stay up and celebrate it in Detroit the next day. Chicago's a no go for me I'm afraid. I know Bachman's in. Rev? - -Brian "Why the hell did he call in the 'Venus' 3?" Nupp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:40:20 -0400 From: Steve Maser Subject: Re: OT: Raconteurs At 11:32 AM -0400 9/15/06, linnig@cox.net wrote: >Jack Black? Is he taken time away from Tenacious D? > Argh. Jack White. White! Crap. Now he's going to beat on me like Jason Stollsteimer... Sorry, Jack! - - Steve - -- Steve Maser (maser@umich.edu) | Thinking is man's only basic virtue, Desktop Support Manager | from which all the others proceed. Dept. of Mechanical Engineering | -- Ayn Rand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:43:18 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: YouTube - Mary Margaret O'Hara On 9/14/06, Eugene Hopstetter Jr. wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIhu2CcH7tw > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z14wPTz6PdY Cool. She looks a lot more like her sister than I'd thought. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:32:36 -0400 From: "linnig@cox.net" Subject: Re: OT: Raconteurs Jack Black? Is he taken time away from Tenacious D? Original Message: - ----------------- From: Steve Maser maser@umich.edu Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:06:16 -0400 To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: OT: Raconteurs >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:07:19 -0500 >From: Marcy Tanter >Subject: OT: Raconteurs > >Has anyone been to a Raconteurs show? My husband wants to take our 13 yr >old to the show in Ft Worth tomorrow night and I'm a little hesitant. > > > >Marcy Saw them at the Michigan Theater about a month ago. It was one of the loudest shows I'd seen/heard in quite some time. Jack Black has star-quality stage presence, though. I enjoyed the show (set was about an hour), but my friend hated it because it was too loud for him. - - Steve - -- Steve Maser (maser@umich.edu) | Thinking is man's only basic virtue, Desktop Support Manager | from which all the others proceed. Dept. of Mechanical Engineering | -- Ayn Rand - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:05:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: protest songs Our spotted eagle wrote: "Truly dumb sloganeering rock music is the worst stuff ever. Rage Against the Machine is one of my least favorite rock things ever... politically right up my alley, but musically not my bag at all and lyrically embarassing." System of a Down fit into that category too, no? Someone sent me Toxicity as a present, and I thought it was one of the funniest, most ridiculous things I'd ever heard, but it didn't move me politically. I'm not usually fond of direct protest music because of its sledgehammer approach, but Phil Ochs was pretty direct, and I love almost everything that he ever did (OK, youngsters, now go to Wiki...). As for RH's tour, what the hell does he have against Boston...again? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:41:34 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: protest songs Jill Brand wrote: > As for RH's tour, what the hell does he have against Boston...again? Or Atlanta, for that matter? Hell, we got him on Halloween last year. - -- FS Thomas | Interactive Developer | fsthomas-at-ochremedia.com 404.758.8616 (home/office) | 404.274.1632 (mobile) | ferraatu (AIM) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:20:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: YouTube - Mary Margaret O'Hara (but not so much) >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIhu2CcH7tw >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z14wPTz6PdY > > Cool. > > She looks a lot more like her sister than I'd thought. I might have that Night Music clip on tape somewhere...I was RELIGIOUS about that show, and still have a few hours of edited highlights on a precious videotape. Not sure that I saved the O'Hara performance for posterity, though. I saw three really interesting films in recent days: 1. "That'll Be the Day" (1974). Admittedly, I chose to watch this for a dubious reason: the rock-star lure of David "Rock On" Essex and Ringo Starr. And I had forgotten that Keith Moon has a small part as well. But the film turned out to be quite solid. Reminded me a lot of the gritty, underclass-youth films from the Britain of 8-10 years earlier, starring folks like Albert Finney, Rita Tushingham and Michael Crawford. I figured it would be a typical rags-to-riches rock- star film, but neither Essex or Starr even perform. Many films are about a musician going from obscurity to fame -- this one is more about someone going from odd-job wastrel to obscure musician, with only an implied hint that someday he'll "make it." An interesting spin on a standard formula. Both Essex and Starr give quite credible performances, too. Reverting to his ducktailed "Rory Storm & the Hurricanes" image, Starr casts off his aura of Beatle charisma pretty easily, though maybe this only proves that he had weak "star quality" to begin with. Note to rock-film fans: Starr only appears in the film's middle third, and Moon only has one short scene (though he DOES perform just a little). The main musical performer is one Billy Fury, who leads a semi-cheesy band (including Moon) who's booked nightly at a seedy beach resort. The film never puts a specific year on the action, but based on the displayed culture (the interim between Buddy Holly and the Beatles), I guess it'd have to be 1960 or 1961. 2. "Black Sunday" (1960). I'm ordinarily not much of a horror fan, but this early B&W Mario Bava film had rock-solid direction and wonderfully spooky sets, plus an interesting plot involving a cursed, long-dead witch trying to resurrect herself by seizing the body of a look-alike young woman. The film probably had a tiny budget, but Bava does a really impressive job with what he's given. Note: While commonly billed as "Black Sunday," the film's opening credits gave the title as "The Mask of Satan." Incidentally, I also saw another Bava film a week or so ago: "Planet of the Vampires" (1965). This one was in color. The film was far better than its awful title suggests (there are no "vampires" in the story whatsoever), and depicted a crippled spaceship landing on a planet where...well, unseen alien spirits were trying to seize the bodies of the astronauts. Do I sense a Bava motif here? ;) 3. "Taking Off" (1971). I've been wanting to see this for ages. Milos Forman's first American film, a droll comedy with a deadpan tone that reminded me of his hilarious Czech film "The Fireman's Ball" (track that one down!). It's too bad Forman hasn't directed more comedies, because he really has a gift for this. There wasn't much of a story (maybe that's the point, though) and the story would have been much duller without the subtleties of his blankly observational style. I thought it was going to be a hippie-culture sort of tale, but instead it was about the previous generation's *reaction* to that world. Buck Henry and Lynn Carlin have a listless, college-age daughter who runs away...or drifts away...or something. The girl is fairly ordinary- looking and totally without a personality, and the parents grab all of the audience's identification, as the two go on a hapless quest to find the daughter which results in everything *but* the intended goal. They get pulled into an impotent "parents of runaway children"- type organization, which is more concerned with throwing banquets than finding children, and end up getting stoned (all the better to "identify" with their kids) and almost veering toward swapping partners with another couple. And there's an unexpected "anti-ending" which perfectly carries out the low-key atmosphere. I should add that the film has an unusual and creative framework too, in which the daughter goes to a futile folk-singing audition, early on -- and various amateur-level auditions are peppered throughout the rest of the narrative. Two interesting cameos, though: One singer is Carly Simon when she was just getting off the ground, and another singer is "Bobo Bates," whose own cornball tune "Even the Horses Had Wings" is prominently featured as the score behind one montage sequence. The kicker is that "Bobo Bates" is actually KATHY Bates -- I had no idea she was even acting so long ago. And unfortunately for her, she was just as homely back then. One more interesting small role: the late Vincent Schiavellli (who is introduced by his real name!) portrays the "head" assigned to introduce the well-meaning parents to the techniques and etiquette of marijuana-smoking. If not for his utterly unique face, you'd scarcely recognize him because he has glasses and an enormous afro. It was interesting to compare this scene with his later "morgue" scene in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" -- they're very similar on a certain level. The next film I'll wrap up will be the second half of a 1926 silent version of "Don Juan," starring John Barrymore. Meanwhile, I'm really peeved at myself for missing a rare gem on TCM last night: a rerun of an ancient Dick Cavett show with guest Woody Allen. I caught the last 10 minutes or so, but that's it. Damn!!! I did find a wee chunk of it online.... http://www.ifilm.com/ ifilmdetail/2710596 In other TV news, Daltrey and Townshend did the new "Who" single acoustically on Letterman last night. Less than compelling. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:27:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: correction Eb wrote: > "That'll Be the Day" (1974) OK, I guess it's actually from 1973. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:36:27 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: protest songs On 9/15/06, Jill Brand wrote: > > > I'm not usually fond of direct protest music because of its sledgehammer > approach, but Phil Ochs was pretty direct, and I love almost everything > that he ever did Yeah, me too, so that's another good exception. But he was also often sarcastic or satirical in his directness, more often than polemical, and always seemed intelligent enough not to be just repeating opinions by rote. He saved the earnestness for the heartbreak stuff, which made it all the more powerful. There are more than a few parallels between Ochs and Bragg (who did, after all, dream he saw Phil Ochs last night). The angry political rock thing was really perfected by Gang of Four; few have come close since. I've recently heard a bunch of vintage '60's "conservative" folk music... it's pretty entertaining. Did anyone see the list of "Best Conservative Rock Songs" recently? My favorite pick was "Bodies", for its, erm, pro-life sentiments. And you can bet that most pro-lifers would be really excited to get behind any song by a a band with the word "sex" in its name and the word "fuck" in it five or six times (although admittedly the band name also contains a reference to firearms, so they can't be all bad, huh?)... Love me love me love me, I'm a liberal, SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:45:22 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Another batch of albums for you to comment upon Second installment? Jens Lekman-Oh You're So Silent Jens Jens Lekman-When I Said I Wanted to Be Your Dog Jim Noir-Tower of Love (I suspect this will be a major guilty pleasure of mine, once I hear the whole thing!) John Cale-Black Acetate John Coltrane-One Down, One Up: Live at the Half Note John Vanderslice-Pixel Revolt Jon Auer-Songs from the Year of Our Demise Jon Hassell-Maarifa Street: Magic Realism, Vol. 2 Juana Molina-Son Konono No. 1-Congotronics Kraftwerk-Radio-Activity Kraftwerk-The Man Machine Laura Nyro-Eli & the 13th Confession Les Fleur de Lys-Reflections Liars-Drum's Not Dead Magazine-Magic, Murder & the Weather Man Man-Six Demon Bag Mates of State-Bring It Back Mew-And the Glass Handed Kites Michael Hoenig-Departure from the Northern Wasteland (probably a total snooze, but it's hard to tell from short soundclips) Michael Rother-Flammende Herzen Michael Rother-Sterntaler Mighty Baby-Mighty Baby Miles Davis-The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 Mirah-You Think It's Like This but Really It's Like This Neko Case-Blacklisted Neko Case-Fox Confessor Brings the Flood Neko Case-Furnace Room Lullaby New York Dolls-One Day It Will Please Us to Remember Even This Nils Petter Molvaer-ER Oneida-Happy New Year Outkast-Idlewild Pajo-1968 (this sounds quite promising...a new name to me) Paul Simon-Surprise Percy Thrillington-Thrillington Philip Pickett & Richard Thompson-Bones of All Men Popol Vuh-Einsjager & Siebenjager Rain Tree Crow-Rain Tree Crow Richard Swift-The Novelist/Walking Without Effort (Again, it's possible that I have tossed out some of the same titles for discussion in past months. Oh well.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: protest songs Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > Did anyone see the list of "Best Conservative Rock > Songs" recently? My favorite pick was > "Bodies", for its, erm, pro-life sentiments. And > you can bet that most pro-lifers would be really > excited to get behind any song by a a band with > the word "sex" in its name and the word "fuck" in it > five or six times (although admittedly the band > name also contains a reference to firearms, so > they can't be all bad, huh?)... http://rimone.org/archives/2006/06/26/rockin-the-right-john-lydon-calls-bullshit/ Mr. Lydon's official reaction to being included on the list: "If you construe ["Bodies"] as being anti-abortion, youre a silly cunt." I think that's a bit over the top; I know he intended it as a character study, but he does leave the song open to the possible interpretation, even if he didn't intend to. . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:12:20 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Last Warbles pre-order (NR) The last 2 Fuzzy Warbles and the box are up for pre-order. The first 6 are on sale. - - Steve __________ No matter where you go, there you are. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:46:00 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Another batch of albums for you to comment upon On 9/15/06, Eb wrote: > > Second installment? > > John Cale-Black Acetate His second great record in a row. More rocking and with some genuine surprises. For my money not quite up to the standards of HoboSapiens, but better than anything else Cale has done recently. > > Magazine-Magic, Murder & the Weather I'm always astonished by how many Magazine records there are, and that I don't have, given that I really like the ones I do! Neko Case-Blacklisted > Neko Case-Fox Confessor Brings the Flood > Neko Case-Furnace Room Lullaby Modern classics, and in that order. I was late to discover her, cynical about the hype, but was eventually completely swept away. Blacklisted is among a small handful of records I've listened to in the old-school obsessive over-and-over fashion in the last, say, six or seven years. There's a real spooky depth to this stuff. And I love Garth Hudson's contibition to the new one... perfect fit. > Paul Simon-Surprise I like this one a lot. Hideous cover, though... which could be said about "You're the One" as well, but this is a much more engaging record. Eno is on board. That was a good idea. But the songs are really arresting at times, too. Rain Tree Crow-Rain Tree Crow You'd have to ask my drummer about that one... - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:30:02 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Protest songs, and a reap Ken wrote >what are some of the favorite feg protest songs? and included in his list several of my favourites: >revolution (beatles), >put down that weapon (midnight oil), volunteers (jefferson airplane), >waiting for the great leap >forwards (billy bragg), get up, stand up (bob marley), sunday bloody >sunday (u2), in the ghetto (elvis presley), won't get >fooled again (who), they call it democracy (bruce cockburn), it's >the end of the world as we know it [and i feel fine] >(r.e.m.), biko (peter >gabriel), for what it's worth (buffalo springfield) I'd add (off the top of my head): Aztec Camera - Good morning britain Roger Waters - The tide is turning Blam Blam Blam - There is no depression in New Zealand Herbs - French letter Topp Twins - Radiation Elvis Costello - Tramp the dirt down Brian Eno - Bone bomb; Under Bob Dylan - Hurricane John Lennon - Gimme some truth Midnight Oil - Beds are burning; Dreamworld Fred Neil - Dophins (esp. The Billy Bragg and Beth Orton versions) Housemartins - Build Leonard Cohen - Democracy Specials - Doesn't make it all right XTC - Wrapped in grey Savuka - Asimbonanga Disposable Heroes - Television, drug of a nation And RIP Raymond Baxter, 84. American fegs may not know of him, but any Brits 'of a certain age' will. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:05:09 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Protest songs, and a reap grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > And RIP Raymond Baxter, 84. American fegs may not know of him, but any > Brits 'of a certain age' will. Ah, Tomorrow's World. It was said that appearing on TW would guarantee failure of any invention. Stewart np: Manfred Mann & Mike Hugg - The 1969 Michelin commercial theme ("Go Michelin Go Radial") -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:22:54 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Another batch of albums for you to comment upon Eb wrote: > > Konono No. 1-Congotronics All the hip kids are playing it. > Kraftwerk-Radio-Activity > Kraftwerk-The Man Machine Radio-Activity is my favourite Kraftwerk album, but it's probably too slow for most folks. Man Machine is ruined by the appallingly cheesy "Neon Lights". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:34:04 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Another batch of albums for you to comment upon - -- "Stewart C. Russell" is rumored to have mumbled on 16. September 2006 08:22:54 -0400 regarding Re: Another batch of albums for you to comment upon: >> Kraftwerk-Radio-Activity >> Kraftwerk-The Man Machine > > Radio-Activity is my favourite Kraftwerk album, but it's probably too > slow for most folks. Hm, I find it hard to pick a favorite, but they are almost all essential. > Man Machine is ruined by the appallingly cheesy > "Neon Lights". I don't think it's that bad. There's a fun cover version by Love Tractor. Die Mensch-Maschine (you all know that they were released in separate German and English versions, right?) was the first one I heard, because my older sister bought it when it came out. That's why I have a soft spot for it. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:51:02 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more dates from yep roc Michael Wells wrote: > > Michael "I'll meet you at the corner of Danforth & Pape" Wells and then go to Zorba's, my favourite Greek restaurant, which is about four doors east, on the south side. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:42:58 -0700 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: more dates from yep roc > then go to Zorba's, my favourite Greek restaurant, which is about four doors east, on the south side. Maybe. Possibly. Since I stopped drinking I seem to be going to Greek restaurants less and less. My theory is that without the Ouzo, the prospect of having a swarthy Mediterranean (waiter's shirt open to his navel) offering to light your cheese on fire doesn't hold the same attraction. For whatever reason. I do like lamb kabobs over rice, tho. This should be a fun little trip, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing some folks I haven't seen in years. Plus overnight stays in Windsor and Toronto? Fugggheddddaboutit! There's never been a shortage of political vitriol in metal (all points of view) which occasionally seeps a bit into the mainstream - Metallica's "Master of Puppets," fer instance. And Tom Clark might have you check out "Pharaoh's Daughter" by The Secret Machines. Quail, you would probably like them a lot. Speaking of which (TSM, not Quail), their fall tour is 'in the round' and in small venues - had to bite on that that! Best show going, IMO. After an abnormally slow summer for good tours, things are definitely looking up. Michael "there's a frood who really knows where his towel is" Wells ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #214 ********************************