From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #213 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 15 2006 Volume 15 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: reap [FSThomas ] the angry itch ["ken ostrander" ] OT: Raconteurs [Marcy Tanter ] Re: the angry itch [FSThomas ] RE: I HAVE seen a vegetarian cat ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: the angry itch [The Great Quail ] Robyn Hitchcock and Venus 3 @ The Magic Bag, Ferndale, MI November 9th. ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: UnREAP [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: UnREAP [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: UnREAP ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] YouTube - Mary Margaret O'Hara ["Eugene Hopstetter Jr." ] Re: the angry itch [Capuchin ] RE: UnREAP ["Sarah Jones" ] RE: more dates from yep roc ["Michael Wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:02:49 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: reap 2fs wrote: > One former governor of Texas down, one more to go... What have you got against Bill Clements? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:01:32 -0400 From: "ken ostrander" Subject: the angry itch quoth quail:>Hmmm... I have to disagree. This is the exact reason why I dislike when >Robyn gets directly political. It's just obvious and silly. Other songs like >"Filthy Bird" are so much more effective, in my opinion. Robyn's strength >lies in his obliqueness, his metaphor, his loopy ability to suddenly make >unexpected connections. When he tries to say something too directly, I think >it comes across as ham-fisted. the original post wondered if this was the most politically direct of robyn's songs and i said it was up there. in any case, i see your point; even though i think that silly (i like the line in the new song because it makes me laugh) can describe a lot of his music. laughter and crying are equally cathartic and robyn seems to vacilate between the two rather easily. it makes me wonder if "directly political" isn't always "obvious and silly"? more quaily quail: >I suppose I just want to hear something angry and clever that does not >embarrass itself.... amy read that when i left it up on our computer and had this to say: "you'll be waiting a long while for that. it's always embarrassing to act from an angry place. i prefer happy and clever. maybe deep. moving. intense. but not angry." first off, does 'political' = 'angry'? http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/lwwsongspage.htmljudging from a lot of these titles, you might think so. (by the way, i only recognised eight artists [18, 21, 22, 23, 36, 47, 73, 398 oops...not that phil bailey] out of four hundred and thirty one songs. what, no billy bragg? no springsteen? no pearl jam? no spearhead? no coup? no roots? no dixie chicks?maybe it's a little too deliberately obscure, but it's pretty cool that it is so grass roots.)certainly, there are other ways to get your message across. the vitriol may be cathartic, but it often only reaches the choir. with the success of green day and the dixie chicks, you can't say that there's not a market for 'protest music'. i think it's clear(channel) why you're not hearing this stuff on the radio; if you're still listening, that is. i've wrestled with a lot of my 'righteous' anger in recent years. i think that i found it to be an acceptable outlet for my repressed personal frustrations. it's safer to rail against the government and corporations than it is to challenge the people that you meet when you're walking down the street. anger is like b.o., it tends to push people away. you can get used to the stink (and even find all kinds of rationalizations for it) or you can realize that you need to clean up your act. dolph:>I'm not a great follower of protest music. The stuff I think is good makes >me angry and upset, which I don't like to be -- a catch-22. it's a vicious circle. i go through periods of media blackout (the latest has just ended with cable installation this week) which accompany relative bliss. whenever i catch some news report or any snippet of george i can feel the cynical self-righteousness kick in and i have to deal with my own contradictions. if i seek peace, then anger will not get me there. fighting fire with fire just leaves a bigger burn. the only way that fire is useful is when it is controlled; and even then it can only get us so far. there is a lot to be upset about; but my anger doesn't serve me. i am learning to look for useful (focus on building what i want rather than tearing down what i don't) outlets for that energy. spotted eagle ray:> > Well, it was free the first time, too, but now you can have it without all > > that bothersome physical existence horseshit. ahh...transcendence. those meat-suits just get in the way. ken "are you being served?" the kenster ps. what are some of the favorite feg protest songs? what's going on (marvin gaye), revolution (beatles), trouble every day (mothers of invention), washington bullets (clash), two tribes (frankie goes to hollywood), killing in the name (rage against the machine), masters of war (bob dylan), put down that weapon (midnight oil), ask (smiths), volunteers (jefferson airplane), waiting for the great leap forwards (billy bragg), get up, stand up (bob marley), sunday bloody sunday (u2), in the ghetto (elvis presley), everyday people (sly & the family stone), under pressure (david bowie & queen), living for the city (stevie wonder), talking bout a revolution (tracy chapman), won't get fooled again (who), they call it democracy (bruce cockburn), empire of the senseless (mekons), fight the power (public enemy), indifference (pearl jam), it's the end of the world as we know it [and i feel fine] (r.e.m.), nothing [but flowers] (talking heads), history repeating (shirley bassey), open your eyes (suran song in stag), biko (peter gabriel), the ghost of tom joad (bruce springsteen), peace frog (doors), driven to tears (police), fuel (ani di franco), for love of money (o'jays), tubthumping (chumbawamba), deceptacon (le tigre), rock the nation (spearhead), the revolution will not be televised (gil scott heron), for what it's worth (buffalo springfield) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:07:19 -0500 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: OT: Raconteurs Has anyone been to a Raconteurs show? My husband wants to take our 13 yr old to the show in Ft Worth tomorrow night and I'm a little hesitant. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:26:03 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: the angry itch ken ostrander wrote: > what are some of the favorite feg protest songs? Quickly off the cuff: Bells of Rhymney (Seeger) Joe Hill (only version I have is a cover by Bragg) Between the Wars (Bragg) There's a hell of a list on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protest_songs - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:01:29 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: RE: I HAVE seen a vegetarian cat The Rev: >It's true. Well, not a total vegan or anything, but he has always >enjoyed lettuce (but not other leafy things, like houseplants) and >waffles (all kinds). > >His name is Mo, which is short for Molasses J. Foofiehead (I did not > >name him and usually call him "Mo," "Modles," or "Stupid damn >cat!!!"). Wow~! Did I ever mention my cat Otto eats tomatoes, red peppers and lettuce in small portions? And of course catnip... >Did I ever tell the funny story of how I accidentally gave out copies > >of Robyn's Music Saves in-store (from Mr Nupp's fine fine recording) > >to church members when they thought they were getting a CD of our >youth group "band" doing bab bad bad versions of praise songs? >("Praise song," for those who may not know, is a non-hymn piece of >"sacred" music that is melodically simplistic, musically >uninteresting and theologically disgusting. http://en.wikipedia.org/ > >wiki/Praise_song) Man, were those people surprised! The funniest >part is that at least one person listened to the whole thing before >they gave it back! I still to this day do not know how 2 of the 10 >CDs I burned had Robyn on them. > >Well, thanks for listening. Didn't the lady who got a copy complain and ask what you were teaching 'our youth'? And wasn't she a Bush supported? Make the story even more interesting cause Robyn sang the "W Sucks" song at the instore! Why couldn't I have you as my youth pastor when I was growing up? - -Nuppy (currently taking the week off work to mix Fast Piece Of Furniture's debut album, available on Dischord in Janurary). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:36:46 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: the angry itch On 9/14/06, FSThomas wrote: > ken ostrander wrote: > > > what are some of the favorite feg protest songs? > > Quickly off the cuff: > > Bells of Rhymney (Seeger) > Joe Hill (only version I have is a cover by Bragg) > Between the Wars (Bragg) "Ignoreland" by REM, probably because it's really direct and then ends by addressing the discomfort and awkwardness of the effort (as well articulated by Ken and Dolph): "I know this this is vitriol / No solution / Just spleen-venting / But I feel better having screamed, don't you?" Bragg does the same kind of thing on "Waiting for the Great Leap Forward" and elsewhere. Sleater-Kinney went through a middle-period of political self-examination as well. Those little tweaks to the formula often put it over for me. Truly dumb sloganeering rock music is the worst stuff ever. Rage Against the Machine is one of my least favorite rock things ever... politically right up my alley, but musically not my bag at all and lyrically embarassing. A lot of people take it as a given that lefties have to like that band, but I'd listen to every Toby Keith record first, to say nothing of Haggard, who is like a god unto me. Even the Nuge edges out Zach Delarosa in my book, and that's saying something. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:03:40 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: the angry itch Rex, > Truly dumb sloganeering rock music is the worst stuff ever. Rage Against > the Machine is one of my least favorite rock things ever... politically > right up my alley, but musically not my bag at all and lyrically > embarassing. I get irritated by the whole "Take the power back" stuff. You never had the power in the first place, guys. - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:23:17 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: Robyn Hitchcock and Venus 3 @ The Magic Bag, Ferndale, MI November 9th. Confirmed by Tickemaster. Thu, 11/09/06 08:00 PM Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus Three More Info on sale: Fri, 09/15/06 10:00 AM All right!! It's about time. That's on a Thursday, so Robyn might be tour stopping in Chicago on Friday. We might have some SE Michigan and NW Ohio folks caravaning to Chicago after the Magic Bag show. Michael B. NP Art Blakey: A Night at Birdland, Volume One ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:38:10 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: UnREAP The original lineup of R.E.M.? http://www.murmurs.com/ - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:54:10 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: UnREAP - -- Spotted Eagle Ray is rumored to have mumbled on 14. September 2006 15:38:10 -0700 regarding UnREAP: > The original lineup of R.E.M.? > > http://www.murmurs.com/ Wow. "Stipe took to stage, explaining that the band including Bill were recording locally and decided to stop by." I wonder if that's a real reunion, or if he just plays on a few tracks. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: UnREAP Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Spotted Eagle Ray is > rumored to have mumbled > on 14. September 2006 15:38:10 -0700 regarding > UnREAP: > > > The original lineup of R.E.M.? > > > > http://www.murmurs.com/ > > Wow. "Stipe took to stage, explaining that the band > including Bill were recording locally and decided > to stop by." I wonder if that's a real > reunion, or if he just plays on a few tracks. Even if Berry is only doing a Brian Wilson -- helping with a writing and playing in studio -- it would have to help. Frankly, I don't even care if he drums (not to dismiss him as a drummer) since Joey Waronker and Bill Rieflin's drumming abilities haven't been the problem with either Reveal or Around the Sun. . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:42:19 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: UnREAP On 9/14/06, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > Wow. "Stipe took to stage, explaining that the band including Bill were > recording locally and decided to stop by." I wonder if that's a real > reunion, or if he just plays on a few tracks. Rumored to be a track for a charity compilation or some such thing. Yeah, bad drumming may not've been the problem with the last two REM records, but lopsided band chemistry may have been. Who knows what Berry really wrote parts of throughout the years, but "Perfect Circle" and "Country Feedback" are good songs, and they're generally credited as his ideas. I guess REM are kind of schilling for (yet another) compilation of the IRS years material. But hey, if that get them reoriented towards that kind of material, I won't complain. - -SER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:08:22 -0500 From: "Eugene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: YouTube - Mary Margaret O'Hara http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIhu2CcH7tw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z14wPTz6PdY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:14:17 -0500 From: "Eugene Hopstetter Jr." Subject: "... reminds me of the good part of a penis" I used that subject line just so you'll think Tews wrote this post. I didn't listen to Yo La Tengo's new record, so I'll just cop David Cross's review of the record, which he has not listened to, either: http://www.emusic.com/album/10949/10949810.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:06:40 -0400 From: wojbearpig Subject: more dates from yep roc thanks to roberta for pointing these out! - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [VegFriends] Robyn's U.S. tour taking shape! Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:39:05 -0000 From: Brenda Sledge To: VegetableFriends@yahoogroups.com Yep Roc has a lot more dates listed today: http://yeproc.com/artist_info.php?artistId=171&page=tourdates FR 10.27.06 Key Club Los Angeles, CA w/ Venus 3 FR 11.03.06 Hotel Congress Tucson, AZ Robyn SOLO Show! WE 11.08.06 The Metro Chicago, IL w/ Venus 3 TH 11.09.06 Magic Bag Detroit, MI w/ Venus 3 FR 11.10.06 Mod Club Toronto, ON w/ Venus 3 SU 11.12.06 Beachland Ballroom Cleveland, OH w/ Venus 3 MO 11.13.06 Rex Theatre Pittsburgh, PA w/ Venus 3 TU 11.14.06 Sellersville Theatre Sellersville, PA w/ Venus 3 FR 11.17.06 Hiro Ballroom New York, NY w/ Venus 3 SA 11.18.06 Maxwell's Hoboken, NJ w/ Venus 3 MO 11.20.06 Ottobar Baltimore, MD w/ Venus 3 SA 11.25.06 Crocodile Cafe Seattle, WA w/ Venus 3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the angry itch On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, The Great Quail wrote: > I get irritated by the whole "Take the power back" stuff. You never had > the power in the first place, guys. I think that's misunderstanding the statement. The notion is that, at least with the USA, government's power is derived from the will of the people. That is to say, the people confer power upon government by each giving up a tiny bit of their own power over their lives so that the collective power can be used to direct us as a national whole. If we "take the power back", we are removing the philosophical basis for these forces' power and they became merely tyrannical. At that point, they have massive morale problems and disintegrate from the inside... or, to some, they can be treated as aggressors and fought against physically without ethical qualm. So, I think that's what they mean by that particular slogan. Not that the people ever wielded their own power, but that the foundation of modern democracy depends on the notion that the people do have inherent power and must delegate it to their government. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:02:07 +0000 From: "Sarah Jones" Subject: RE: UnREAP And the hairy guy from the YFF .... I guess this inauguration in Georgia on saturday is a big deal Sarah xx >From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" >Reply-To: "Spotted Eagle Ray" >To: fgz >Subject: UnREAP >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:38:10 -0700 > >The original lineup of R.E.M.? > >http://www.murmurs.com/ > >-SER _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:54:50 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: more dates from yep roc > WE 11.08.06 The Metro Chicago, IL w/ Venus 3 > TH 11.09.06 Magic Bag Detroit, MI w/ Venus 3 > FR 11.10.06 Mod Club Toronto, ON w/ Venus 3 That's a nice little run, innit? I'm seriously tempted to take a couple vacation days and see all three. Plus that means a 'Rush tour' of Toronto is in the offing ;) Nuppy, what's your schedule look like? Michael "I'll meet you at the corner of Danforth & Pape" Wells ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #213 ********************************