From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #176 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 28 2006 Volume 15 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mark Lamarr [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Inspired out of the lurk by a new album. ["Joseph Szilvagyi" ] Spooked trivia [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts [FSThomas ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts [Capuchin ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts [Capuchin ] RE: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts [2fs ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts [Capuchin ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts [The Great Quail ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps [Eb ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps [2fs ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps [Eb ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps [2fs ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:19:19 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mark Lamarr Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 28 2006 Volume 15 : Number 175 > > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:19:52 -0500 > From: "Michael Wells" > Subject: a brit feg question > Was listening to a disc of Robyn's appearance with The Two Marks on BBC > Radio2 recently (probably from last year, but I don't have the date > handy), and it made me want to ask...what kind of accent is that on Mark > Lamarr? He's nearly unintelligible at times, with all those 'th' and 'F' > sounds getting thick - 'Don't worry, I've got another one" sounds out to > "Don't werry, hive gott anovver one." I've heard him elsewhere from a > live show introducing Robyn - probably from one of your recordings, > Stewart - and it's even worse. Can barely make a word out. Was just > curious where this came from. * My instinct is that like Andy Partridge and Billie Piper, Mark Lamarr is from Swindon, about 25 minutes away from Bath on the eastbound train. I saw some great shows there in the old days: Talking Heads supported by Dire Straits at the Oasis (which is not a flying saucer, despite its appearance); Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe with Rockpile, Elvis Costello and the Attractions plus Clive Langer and the Boxes at the same venue; and much more recently Mountain at the Arts Centre. Never saw XTC, however. Matt, how did your show in Swindon go? Tell me tomorrow! - - Mike Godwin n.p. Do you wanna dance? - Brian Poole and the Tremeloes > > Oh, and my idea of the day - maybe something Eddie can appreciate - is > to capitalize on the iAccessory mania with the new iAss. You put it in > your...and...oh, never mind. > > Michael "I'll give you a hint, it's not a wheel interface anymore > either" Wells > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:35:50 EDT > From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com > Subject: time mag : nick mason on syd > > From the Magazine > Appreciation > Syd Barrett, 1946-2006 > > By NICK MASON > > Monday, Jul. 17, 2006 > Syd Barrett, who died on July 7 aged 60, came into my life and Pink Floyd in > 1965. His reputation as a real talent was intimidating but he proved > delightful. He introduced himself, a radical move given our > determination to hide > our shyness behind monosyllables and Ray-Ban sunglasses. He went on to front > the band and was for his entire tenure its creative center, writing > the songs > and devising most of the music. > > Thanks to Syd, by early 1967 we had a recording deal, two hit singles and > had appeared on television. But that's when he began to disintegrate. > On stage > he was there physically but not musically. The rest of us were > busyband busy > being in denialbso we didn't try to find out what the problem was: mental > breakdown, overuse of LSD or finding himself in a commercial environment he > never sought. To this day none of us knows. What we do know is that we lost a > charismatic and inspiring leader. > > David Gilmour had been brought in to fill the hole made by Syd's psychic > withdrawal. In 1968 Syd left for real. He then worked with David and > Rick Wright > on two solo albums, which are chaotic but include great writing. He had this > unique whimsical styleband at a time when songwriting demanded American > pronunciation, he sang in the Queen's English. > > I next saw Syd some six years after the split, when the band was recording > Wish You Were Here. By coincidence we were working on Shine On You Crazy > Diamond, a song about absence that somehow seemed to fit Syd's > history. We played > him a couple of tracks, he hung out for a bit, and then walked out of our > lives again. > > I never met him after that but he had been on our minds recently. David, > Roger Waters and I were all moved by Tom Stoppard's new play Rock 'n' Roll, > which in part deals with Syd as a fabulous young man and his > transformation. It's > the transformation people talk about now, but what I most remember is his > brilliance. Shine on indeed. > > Nick Mason is Pink Floyd's drummer > From the Jul. 24, 2006 issue of TIME Asia magazine > > ------------------------------ > > End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #175 > ******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:36:34 -0400 From: "Joseph Szilvagyi" Subject: Inspired out of the lurk by a new album. Where to start this post? I signed up for this mailing list after Robyn cancelled his Canadian tour last year that I had been intensely looking forward to. I only get the daily digest so it's awkward if I want to reply to a specific message. It amuses me to read about so many people who first heard Robyn when Moss Elixer came out. My first exposure was on my 16th birthday back in '86 when a buddy of mine gave me Element of Light on cassette as a present. From there I went back and hunted down what I could find at the time on vinyl (never did care for cassettes very much). I do have one old bootleg of Robyn singing "insanely jealous" which is a warped acapella version of the Book of Love that I have converted to MP3 that I'm willing to share if I ever figure out where I can upload these things to. I had fallen out of the whole music thing for a while till I happened to be walking through Mal-Wart and noticed Storefront Hitchcock selling for $6 in the cheap bin. This brought out all my old records and a bunch of nostalgia. ick... I'm rambling. now I'm itching for Tarantula ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:29:47 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts are you saying that you won't even download from peer-to-peer networks (or borrow the CD from the library)? what chaps my hide is the persistence of the word "piracy" to describe file-sharing. why do we let them get away with this? now, granted, i'd personally argue that even if one *were* to engage in "piracy" (i.e., selling unauthorised copies of copyright works), all one is *really* doing is entering the so-called "free market". and the "free market" is what made america great, right? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:52:28 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Spooked trivia So, does the Japanese version of Spooked come in a jewel box? Anybody know? I mean, having 'No Way Out of Time' on it is a bonus, but if the digipak has been replaced by an actual box...I'm there, dude. Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Stacked Crooked wrote: > now, granted, i'd personally argue that even if one *were* to engage in > "piracy" (i.e., selling unauthorised copies of copyright works), all one is > *really* doing is entering the so-called "free market". and the "free > market" is what made america great, right? You are kidding, right? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: time mag : nick mason on syd > He had this > unique whimsical styleband at a time when songwriting demanded > American > pronunciation, he sang in the Queen's English. Again. Wow. I was just never aware of the emphasis on this point until Syd died. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:32:09 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts >> now, granted, i'd personally argue that even if one *were* to engage in >> "piracy" (i.e., selling unauthorised copies of copyright works), all one is >> *really* doing is entering the so-called "free market". and the "free >> market" is what made america great, right? The definition of "piracy" mentions nothing about the *sale* of stolen items; only their theft. Taking copyrighted works is one thing. Turning around and selling them is another. One fills in gaps in your music. The other makes you an asshole. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:44:29 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On 7/28/06, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > now, granted, i'd personally argue that even if one *were* to engage in > > "piracy" (i.e., selling unauthorised copies of copyright works), all one > is > > *really* doing is entering the so-called "free market". and the "free > > market" is what made america great, right? > > You are kidding, right? He probably isn't, and I don't necessarily agree with him, but... What gives one the right to sell music made by someone else in the first place? Theoretically, the consent of the person who created the music (who otherwise could sell it, should he choose to do so, himself). But one could argue that generally and historically, that was not an option; that a person who wanted to sell music pretty much had to go through various distribution channels. So what gives one distribution channel rights over another? Contracts, pretty much - which is to say, law...which is to say, a social agreement. But at some level social agreements amount to instantiations of power. Capitalism favors competition, in theory. So an economic system that said, say, that if Company X invented the widget, no other company could ever make widgets (or anything that performed the functions of a widget) would be frowned upon by capitalist theory as inhibiting competition, innovation, etc. So why can't somebody else sell, say, Robyn's music? What if they do it better than the other company? What if instead of fixed contracts, sellers competed at all times for the favor of the recording artist? What if there were multiple editions of Robyn's music out there, put out by different entities, of varying quality, different packaging, different configurations, etc.? Wouldn't that serve competition, innovation, etc.? (Different products seem to have different sorts of protection attached to them: if I buy a very expensive table, and I analyze exactly how it's put together, and I put out a table that to all intents and purposes is identical, I don't think there's any restriction on that, is there? At least it would seem not - or the needed difference is so minute that most customers can't tell the difference. I can't, however, analyze exactly how a piece of music is put together, put out another piece of music that's TAI&P identical, and sell it as my own.) There's been quite a bit of controversy in Canada particularly over water rights: various corporations want the right to bottle water, whereas the Native population argues that the water is theirs either by treaty or natural right, and that if anyone should benefit from it, it should be them. (Generally the argument is that everyone should benefit from it - that it is a natural resource, held by no one and everyone in common.) The notion that someone could claim to own *water* would probably have struck people a few hundred years ago as ludicrous...but given the awareness of scarcity, the vogue for bottled water, etc., suddenly there's a market where there wasn't one before. Should the companies succeed in their goals to control and essentially own water rights, 200 years from now some crazed radical like Eddie would say, hey, so what if someone goes to a spring on public land, purifies and bottles the water, and sells it, and someone else will say, you're kidding, right? (Even my qualification there of "public land" would strike many peoples, at many times, as incomprehensible: once the concept of "public" is explained, it would be assumed that water is the sort of thing that is always "public." Do we have "public air" at this point? Or is air going to be privatized as well?) This whole thing is a little stretched, maybe - but the point is that rights and such are properly thought of as socially endorsed rather than given - and as such, their status can change, should social conventions and the laws that arise therefrom change. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:29:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Stacked Crooked wrote: > of a negative to completely counteract the positive benefit of, say, The > Pixies (tastes vary, sure) in my life.> > > are you saying that you won't even download from peer-to-peer networks > (or borrow the CD from the library)? Oh, absolutely not! I was making a distinction between those recordings that I'll go ahead and buy (as a form of patronage) and those that I will happily just grab from the library or a torrent. The Pixies were used as an example because I was never moved to buy a Pixies record in my life, but I have them all on my ipod (and much room to spare) now that the investment is low enough to be worth the trouble. > what chaps my hide is the persistence of the word "piracy" to describe > file-sharing. why do we let them get away with this? Richard Stallman said, "They are trying to equate helping your neighbor with attacking a ship." I don't like it any better. (But the current vogue of "pirates" with peglegs and eyepatches and the like as a cultural phenomenon is only helping the cause of sharing, I think -- though it's quite hurting our historical sense as it downplays the necessity of those seafarers to the slave trade and imperialist bigotry.) I just don't use it. > now, granted, i'd personally argue that even if one *were* to engage in > "piracy" (i.e., selling unauthorised copies of copyright works) > all one is *really* doing is entering the so-called "free market". and > the "free market" is what made america great, right? I wouldn't call that "piracy", either. Piracy involves hijacking goods in transit and stealing the shipped contents. "Stealing" (as a crime) is when you undermine someone's exclusive dominion over property. Information is not property in any reasonable sense. (The term "intellectual property" -- which falsely conflates the very different legal notions of copyright, patent, trademark, and trade secret -- is a very new term coined by those who would expand their ill-gotten legal exclusivity to some kind of natural right.) By accepting that term, you're playing right into their hands. I've shared this before and I will again: That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property. Thanks. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:31:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, FSThomas wrote: [eddie on file sharing versus copyright violation]: >>> all one is *really* doing is entering the so-called "free market". >>> and the "free market" is what made america great, right? > > One fills in gaps in your music. The other makes you an asshole. Well, I don't think eddie would argue that advocating or encouraging free markets doesn't make someone an asshole. After all, the whole purpose of markets is to exploit the people around you to the greatest degree possible. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:49:46 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts Jeff wrote: >There's been quite a bit of controversy in Canada particularly over water >rights: various corporations want the right to bottle water, whereas the >Native population argues that the water is theirs either by treaty or >natural right, and that if anyone should benefit from it, it should be them. >(Generally the argument is that everyone should benefit from it - that it is >a natural resource, held by no one and everyone in common.) The notion that >someone could claim to own *water* would probably have struck people a few >hundred years ago as ludicrous...but given the awareness of scarcity, the >vogue for bottled water, etc., suddenly there's a market where there wasn't >one before. Should the companies succeed in their goals to control and >essentially own water rights, 200 years from now some crazed radical like >Eddie would say, hey, so what if someone goes to a spring on public land, >purifies and bottles the water, and sells it, and someone else will say, >you're kidding, right? (Even my qualification there of "public land" would >strike many peoples, at many times, as incomprehensible: once the concept of >"public" is explained, it would be assumed that water is the sort of thing >that is always "public." Do we have "public air" at this point? Or is air >going to be privatized as well?) This is a big topic in all the US states that border the Great Lakes as well as Ontario and Quebec. I believe that agreements have been signed by those states and Canadian provinces that prohibit water being taken from the Great Lakes and piped to another state that doesn't border them. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, 2fs wrote: > On 7/28/06, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > > > now, granted, i'd personally argue that even if one *were* to engage in > > > "piracy" (i.e., selling unauthorised copies of copyright works), all one > > is > > > *really* doing is entering the so-called "free market". and the "free > > > market" is what made america great, right? > > > > You are kidding, right? > > He probably isn't, and I don't necessarily agree with him, but... [snip] > So why can't somebody else sell, say, Robyn's music? What if they do it > better than the other company? What if instead of fixed contracts, sellers > competed at all times for the favor of the recording artist? What if there > were multiple editions of Robyn's music out there, put out by different > entities, of varying quality, different packaging, different configurations, > etc.? Wouldn't that serve competition, innovation, etc.? (Different products Actually, I quite like this idea of yours. > one before. Should the companies succeed in their goals to control and > essentially own water rights, 200 years from now some crazed radical like > Eddie would say, hey, so what if someone goes to a spring on public land, > purifies and bottles the water, and sells it, and someone else will say, > you're kidding, right? (Even my qualification there of "public land" would I should have been more specific about what my "you're kidding, right" referred to. I specifically meant "you're kidding about thinking the 'free' in 'free market' means 'goods for zero cost', aren't you"? And I suspect in that sense he WAS kidding. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:21:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On 7/28/06, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > > > You are kidding, right? > > > > He probably isn't, and I don't necessarily agree with him, but... > [ > I should have been more specific about what my "you're kidding, right" > referred to. I specifically meant "you're kidding about thinking the > 'free' in 'free market' means 'goods for zero cost', aren't you"? And I > suspect in that sense he WAS kidding. Well, if he said "sell" then they weren't zero cost to consumers. As for zero cost to seller: depending on how you define "cost," any number of goods have pretty much had zero cost...at least in terms of the rights to them belonging to their owner. ("I claim this stinking desert in the name of the Bowel Oil Company..." after which a sign is put up: FUTURE SITE OF TEARFUL INDIAN GRAVEYARD) Certainly, while there might be cost to the seller in some sense, that doesn't mean its source is compensated, or access isn't restricted. But (see Capuchin's comments) that's one way in which information is different from physical products: your possession of it in no way impedes my possession of it. Unlike, say, oil. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:23:44 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On 7/28/06, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Jeff wrote: > >There's been quite a bit of controversy in Canada particularly over water > >rights:... > > This is a big topic in all the US states that border the Great Lakes as > well as > Ontario and Quebec. I believe that agreements have been signed by those > states > and Canadian provinces that prohibit water being taken from the Great > Lakes and > piped to another state that doesn't border them. Actually, this can become a *local* controversy: the wealthy (and more conservative) suburbs of Milwaukee west of the subcontinental divide want rights to Lake Michigan water; whereas agreements among the Great Lakes states says that the water has to remain on its side of that divide. Classic case of sprawl demanding more resources than it has available to it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > I should have been more specific about what my "you're kidding, right" > referred to. I specifically meant "you're kidding about thinking the > 'free' in 'free market' means 'goods for zero cost', aren't you"? And I > suspect in that sense he WAS kidding. That's not at all what he meant and how you got that impression is beyond me. He wrote that it would be free market practice to ignore such market restrictions as copyright law and recording contracts. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:17:47 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts Capuchin, with his usual finesse and appreciation of nuance, writes: > After all, the whole purpose of markets is to exploit the people around > you to the greatest degree possible. Man, I can hardly wait to be exploited by Robyn again, and soon. Sounds like a great new album! Then I will load it onto my Mac and into my iPod. Thanks, Tom, for exploiting me! Now, if only I can get Eb to exploit my ass the way I *really* crave... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:24:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Capuchin wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > I should have been more specific about what my "you're kidding, right" > > referred to. I specifically meant "you're kidding about thinking the > > 'free' in 'free market' means 'goods for zero cost', aren't you"? And I > > suspect in that sense he WAS kidding. > > That's not at all what he meant and how you got that impression is beyond > me. > > He wrote that it would be free market practice to ignore such market > restrictions as copyright law and recording contracts. I plead a hard week at work with little sleep. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:46:48 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On Jul 28, 2006, at 12:17 PM, The Great Quail wrote: > Capuchin, with his usual finesse and appreciation of nuance, writes: > >> After all, the whole purpose of markets is to exploit the people >> around >> you to the greatest degree possible. > > Man, I can hardly wait to be exploited by Robyn again, and soon. > Sounds like > a great new album! Then I will load it onto my Mac and into my > iPod. Thanks, > Tom, for exploiting me! Anytime! Now get on down to your local Apple Store and be exploited more. I've got a master suite to pay off thanks to the bank that exploited me! > > Now, if only I can get Eb to exploit my ass the way I *really* > crave... Tell me about it. - -tc np - Chris Bell "I Am The Cosmos" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:59:40 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps The Great Quail wrote: > Now, if only I can get Eb to exploit my ass the way I *really* > crave... If only I had a dollar for every time a Feglist subscriber has expressed a fantasy about my ass. Tsk. Eb reap: I hear ABC cancelled "The One" after just two episodes. Haaaaa. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:06:24 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps On 7/28/06, Eb wrote: > > The Great Quail wrote: > > Now, if only I can get Eb to exploit my ass the way I *really* > > crave... > > If only I had a dollar for every time a Feglist subscriber has > expressed a fantasy about my ass. Tsk. > > Eb > > reap: I hear ABC cancelled "The One" after just two episodes. Haaaaa. Perhaps it can be replaced by a reality show called "Eb's Ass and the Men Who Crave It"? I'm just sayin'...then maybe you *could* have a dollar etc. etc. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:12:25 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps 2fs wrote: >> If only I had a dollar for every time a Feglist subscriber has >> expressed a fantasy about my ass. Tsk. > > Perhaps it can be replaced by a reality show called "Eb's Ass and > the Men > Who Crave It"? Did I say it was only men? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps Eb wrote: > If only I had a dollar for every time a Feglist > subscriber has expressed a fantasy about my ass. > Tsk. Well, it is an odd choice of pet for someone living in an (sub)urban environment. And so close to Tijuana. "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination. We learned to talk. And we learned to listen. Speech has allowed the communication of ideas, enabling human beings to work together. To build the impossible. Mankind's greatest achievements have come about by talking. And it's greatest failures by NOT talking. It doesn't have to be like this! Our greatest hopes could become reality in the future. With the technology at our disposal, the possibilities are unbounded. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking. -- Stephen W. Hawking . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:19:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my hat burps On 7/28/06, Eb wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > >> If only I had a dollar for every time a Feglist subscriber has > >> expressed a fantasy about my ass. Tsk. > > > > Perhaps it can be replaced by a reality show called "Eb's Ass and > > the Men > > Who Crave It"? > > Did I say it was only men? Oh, well I'm not aware of what happens offlist. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my butt hurts On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, The Great Quail wrote: > Capuchin, with his usual finesse and appreciation of nuance, writes: >> After all, the whole purpose of markets is to exploit the people around >> you to the greatest degree possible. > > Man, I can hardly wait to be exploited by Robyn again, and soon. Sounds > like a great new album! Then I will load it onto my Mac and into my > iPod. Thanks, Tom, for exploiting me! I know you're just trying to trivialize the discourse on the issue, but you don't participate in market transactions with Robyn or Tom... at least not insofar as those things like your Mac or Robyn's album are concerned. Robyn and his record company (or, for self-produced goods, his duplicator and such) attempt to give the least to each other for the most gain for themselves. Tom does this with Apple and you do this with... well, Apple (since they price-fix across retail as much as possible, it doesn't matter where you bought it unless it was used). The point is that it's an adversarial relationship (or, at best, mutually parasitic) and hardly the sort of thing that gives pleasure to anyone but a sociopath. Of course, that's too much for a liberal conscience, so you can ignore it or claim it's oversimplification or whatever in order to continue pretending you're not part of the problem. (And I thought we'd overcome the personal digs in this difference of opinion and moved on to something more like friendship. I hope that's still the case.) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #176 ********************************