From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #123 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, June 4 2006 Volume 15 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ahhhh, the 80's [Eb ] Re: reap [2fs ] Re: ahhhh, the 80's [2fs ] Re: Washington, D.C. [Tom Clark ] Re: reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Permanent Underwater Waves ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] RE: Permanent Underwater Waves ["michael wells" ] Re: reap [2fs ] RE: Permanent Underwater Waves ["Marc Alberts" ] RE: Permanent Underwater Waves [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:07:46 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: ahhhh, the 80's michael wells wrote: > Face Dances - The Who Well, you ALMOST got through that post without naming a single record I own. 1981 is one of the weakest pop/rock years ever, in my eyes. It's hard to come up with even 20 albums from that year which mean something substantial to me. And about the only ones which I really like a *lot* are Discipline, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, Trust, The Catherine Wheel, East Side Story, The Flowers of Romance and the two dB's albums. Black Snake Diamond Role and Wild Gift...near misses. For me, that year is mostly about New Wave-ish acts on the wane or in a lull. Though *at the time*, I was all about '70s prog/'60s rock and the *only* contemporary releases I was digging were Discipline, Bowie/ Scary Monsters and Yes/Drama. I remember being all pleased with myself because I found Scary Monsters for $1.88 in a cut-out bin at Musicland. Heck, that was probably the first cut-out/promo bargain I ever found. And I doubt I bought more than two or three albums at Musicland, ever. Every time the annoying commercial for that new KFC chicken bowl comes on, I keep expecting it to be a satirical put-on. Do they REALLY think it sounds tasty? Ooh...layers of mashed potatoes, corn, chicken bits, gravy and cheese. Mmmmmmm. Add a shamrock shake, and that would be one lovely meal. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:22:51 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: reap On 6/3/06, Eb wrote: > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/14733022.htm > > Vince Welnick, 55, who played keyboards with the Grateful Dead for five > years before the death of band founder Jerry Garcia, died Friday. The moral of the story is: do not play Dead songs on keyboard, unless you are a Scientologist. (The news story on Welnick's death pointed out that even the keyboard player for a Dead cover band, the Dark Star Orchestra, died of a heart attack last year.) Man, Jerry and the boys must have done something to piss off L. Ron Hubbard and/or the keyboard manufacturing industry. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:23:43 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: ahhhh, the 80's On 6/3/06, Eb wrote: > > > Every time the annoying commercial for that new KFC chicken bowl > comes on, I keep expecting it to be a satirical put-on. Do they > REALLY think it sounds tasty? Ooh...layers of mashed potatoes, corn, > chicken bits, gravy and cheese. Mmmmmmm. I think they should have Mr. Creosote promote it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:39:24 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Washington, D.C. On Jun 3, 2006, at 7:09 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Marc Alberts wrote: >> Jeme wrote: >>> OK, so I have two friends taking jobs in the >>> nation's capital (though not in the capitol) >>> this summer and we're making a nice collection >>> of songs for them. >>> >>> Please add to our paltry list: >>> >>> Washington, D.C. -- Magnetic Fields >>> The District Sleeps Alone -- The Postal Service >>> The Bagman's Gambit -- The Decemberists >>> >>> I'm lost from there. >> >> James K. Polk - They Might Be Giants >> Government Center - Jonathan Richman and the Modern >> Lovers > > Talking Heads "Don't Worry About the Government" > Teenage Fanclub "Don's Gone Columbia" The President -- RH There's A Wall In Washington -- Iris Dement I Don't Wanna Hear It -- Minor Threat (From D.C.) I'm Just A Bill -- Schoolhouse Rock or alternatively: The Day The Violence Died -- The Simpsons (Songs in the Key of Springfield) - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: reap 2fs wrote: > Eb wrote: >> http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/14733022.htm >> >> Vince Welnick, 55, who played keyboards with the >> Grateful Dead for five years before the death of >> band founder Jerry Garcia, died Friday. > > The moral of the story is: do not play Dead songs on > keyboard, unless you are a Scientologist. Bruce Hornsby's a Scientologist? Wow, is there anything about that guy _NOT_ to hate? > (The news story on Welnick's > death pointed out that > even the keyboard player for a Dead cover band, the > Dark Star Orchestra, > died of a heart attack last year.) > > Man, Jerry and the boys must have done something to > piss off L. Ron Hubbard > and/or the keyboard manufacturing industry. > "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination. We learned to talk. And we learned to listen. Speech has allowed the communication of ideas, enabling human beings to work together. To build the impossible. Mankind's greatest achievements have come about by talking. And it's greatest failures by NOT talking. It doesn't have to be like this! Our greatest hopes could become reality in the future. With the technology at our disposal, the possibilities are unbounded. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking. -- Stephen W. Hawking . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:30:41 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Permanent Underwater Waves On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:22 PM, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:39:58 -0400 > From: The Great Quail > Subject: Remain in Permanent Underwater Waves of Moonlight (And > Super Creeps) > > PPS: I cannot say the same for Rush. Guys...? What the fuck with > "Hold Your Fire?" What *is* that on the cover, one ball each? Thank > God for "Counterparts." I think of these as "The Bang Years," when Geddy had that funny haircut with bangs. I think the guys got rich and lazy and forgot how to Rock. It's the Dark Period of Rush for me, and I do not enjoy the albums of this period. They just didn't groove. "Counterparts," "Hold Your Fire," "Power WIndows," "Roll The Bones," "Test For Echo," and "Presto" do not grace my CD stacks. I'm more of a Proggy Rush fan than Synth Rush fan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:25:47 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: ahhhh, the 80's Dang, Wells, you got me in the mood to write. > From: "michael wells" > > (I thought Priest's "Screaming for Vengeance" was '81, but it was > a year later). Techno Priest? What a letdown that was. > Moving Pictures - Rush (all-world all-time fave) Duh. If you owned this, it marked you as one of the Smart Kids in school. I remember bringing my copy of Grade Under Pressure to school to marvel over it with my buds. > Blizzard of Ozz - Ozzy (all-time fave) Has Ozzy ever had the guts to admit publically that he owes his post- Sabs success to Tommy Aldridge and Randy Rhodes? Rhodes' sound and tone was the shit (how did he get that tone? It was a Flying V with a Floyd Rose tremolo bar, right?) > Dirty Deeds - ACDC "Squealer." "Rocker." "Ain't No Fun." And their best blues, "Ride On." > Intensities in 10 Cities - Nugent (oh yeah) Oh yeah, fuck yeah. The Nuge's chef d'ouvre. The second best "Jailbait" song ever (next to what Ang, Mal, and Bon did, natch). "Don't put those handcuffs on me, officer, put them on her. And we'll share her!" > Fair Warning - Van Halen (loved that heavy midrange) My buds and I listened to this EVERY morning on the way into high school. Templeton's recording of Alex's Paistes and Ludwigs is a pinnacle of the genre. "One Foot Out The Door" is the best cut on the album. > Too Fast for Love - Motley Crue Fuck yeah. So stoopid it hurts, but "Live Wire" has THE nastiest intro riff ever. And "Starry Eyes," with Mars' playing a lot of notes? That's what a hair-metal ballad is supposed to be, kids. If you like this record, do find the original Leathur Records release; the mix is even dirtier. > The Mob Rules - Black Sabbath (OK, we were all curious about Dio.) That was a good, strange records, and the title cut rooled. Dio once joked that Black Sabbath and Deep Purple shared so many members that they should just be called Black Purple. I think Mob Rules is a Black Purple record. > Difficult to Cure - Rainbow (no one was curious about Joe Lynn > Turner, however) Yeah, but Bobby Rondinelli on drums! He had more cymbals than hair. Awesome. > Face Dances - The Who So wrong, yet so right. The one album in which Kenny Jones' playing did not embarras. "Don't Let Go The Coat," "Cache, Cache," "The Quiet One," are some of my fave Who tunes. Additions to the list (but not sure about dates) Power and The Glory - Saxon Hit and Run - Girlschool (I've got this one on red vinyl) Creatures of The Night - Kiss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:29:36 -0700 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: Permanent Underwater Waves >> What the fuck with "Hold Your Fire?" What *is* that on the cover, one ball each? Thank God for "Counterparts." > I think of these as "The Bang Years," when Geddy had that funny haircut with bangs. I like that better than "synth wars" which is what I've been calling them, but yeah...things got a little strange there for awhile. I've come more to terms with it as a 'third option' of what to sound like after the prog years, combined what things generally sounded like in the mid-80's. Plus HYF has "High Water" which continues the unreal drums of "Red Lenses." Around here the options for getting new music back then were pretty thin; there were only a couple 50M watt powerhouse radio stations (i.e. WLS) and you were at the mercy of their format. Which is great if you wanted to hear "Hungry Like The Wolf" or "Slip into Glide" once and hour. Otherwise it was word of mouth, clerks at Rose Records, or ads in the back of dodgy music mags and comic books from record stores on the coast. The first Metallica and Motley Crue albums came to our neighborhood that way, in the mail from LA. I'd been listening to the Sabs and Priest for years and had developed a little supply chain, but I can't help wondering what my musical tastes would have turned out like if that music had been readily available - instead of (what was here) basically underground and thus more attractive. > I'm more of a Proggy Rush fan than Synth Rush fan. BLASPHEMER! Michael "burn him at the stake" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:09:40 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: reap On 6/3/06, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > Eb wrote: > >> > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/14733022.htm > >> > >> Vince Welnick, 55, who played keyboards with the > >> Grateful Dead for five years before the death of > >> band founder Jerry Garcia, died Friday. > > > > The moral of the story is: do not play Dead songs on > > keyboard, unless you are a Scientologist. > > Bruce Hornsby's a Scientologist? Wow, is there > anything about that guy _NOT_ to hate? Nah - I was thinking of Tom Constanten (also the band's most interesting keyboard player: maybe that's the real curse!). Was Horsnby ever officially a member of the Dead? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:21:26 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Permanent Underwater Waves Michael Wells wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of michael wells > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:30 AM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Permanent Underwater Waves > > >> What the fuck with "Hold Your Fire?" What *is* that on the cover, one > ball each? Thank God for "Counterparts." > > > I think of these as "The Bang Years," when Geddy had that funny > haircut with bangs. > > > I like that better than "synth wars" which is what I've been calling them, > but yeah...things got a little strange there for awhile. I've come more to > terms with it as a 'third option' of what to sound like after the prog > years, combined what things generally sounded like in the mid-80's. Plus > HYF > has "High Water" which continues the unreal drums of "Red Lenses." > > Around here the options for getting new music back then were pretty thin; > there were only a couple 50M watt powerhouse radio stations (i.e. WLS) and > you were at the mercy of their format. Which is great if you wanted to > hear > "Hungry Like The Wolf" or "Slip into Glide" once and hour. Otherwise it > was > word of mouth, clerks at Rose Records, or ads in the back of dodgy music > mags and comic books from record stores on the coast. The first Metallica > and Motley Crue albums came to our neighborhood that way, in the mail from > LA. I think this was a common experience in those years. People talk about radio being a corporate wasteland now, but it was far less diverse then--AOR rehashes from the 70s, or top 40, that was it unless you wanted country or RnB. Of course, that was also (as you pointed out) the absolute pinnacle for independent record stores. This was before Musicland and Tower and later the Amazon.coms basically destroyed the local record store scenes. Finding out about music for me up until I went to college was making friends with several of the clerks at Music Millenium in Portland and at college it was being a charter member of Discovery Discs, the first all-CD music store I had ever seen (they had a great music club that allowed you to trade discs back and forth at a discount, and they had the first listening bars that I know of). I have friends who grew up in LA and had KROK available to them, and those guys had it lucky--for me and most folks who grew up in the non-SoCal radio market, I think it was the record stores that carried us through. That, and since I was too busy to be a club-hopper in those days, and having friends that knew all the local Portland bands and back then the local band scenes seemed to be full of soon-to-be superstars who didn't yet have the attitudes. It was through these connections that I managed to ride a broken-down VW van from Portland headed to Athens, GA, to hang out with REM after one of my friends wrote Michael Stipe a letter asking him what a boiled peanut was (his response was that it was "a boiled peanut with salt"). Unfortunately, Texas was as far as we got before the van gave up the ghost for good, and thus endeth my hippie period. > > I'm more of a Proggy Rush fan than Synth Rush fan. > > BLASPHEMER! > > Michael "burn him at the stake" Wells I'm not sure which period I like more. At which album are we defining the division between the periods? Are we talking about "Hold Your Fire" as being the transformation, or do the shorter songs following "Hemispheres" mark it as the dividing line? Whichever dividing line we choose would determine my answer to the question. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:39:05 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Permanent Underwater Waves - -- Marc Alberts is rumored to have mumbled on 4. Juni 2006 10:21:26 -0700 regarding RE: Permanent Underwater Waves: > It was through these connections that I managed to ride > a broken-down VW van from Portland headed to Athens, GA, to hang out with > REM after one of my friends wrote Michael Stipe a letter asking him what a > boiled peanut was (his response was that it was "a boiled peanut with > salt"). Well, what more is there to say? ;-) I tried them when I was in Georgia and thought they were just awful. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:18:08 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Washington, D.C. 2fs wrote: > I'd say any song about "lies" and "liars" would be thematically apt... Bok bok bok. Same could be said about the previous administration. Even I try, on occasion, to be slightly bi-partisan. - -f. - -- FS Thomas | Interactive Developer | fsthomas-at-ochremedia.com 404.758.8616 (home/office) | 404.274.1632 (mobile) | ferraatu (AIM) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #123 ********************************