From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #120 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 1 2006 Volume 15 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- My name is "Eb", and I need you to give me a spanking ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: Battleship Chains, Corky Laing etc. [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: old mozzer ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: OT: I think I'm gonna hurl [2fs ] RE: I think I'm gonna hurl ["Patrick Oltraver" ] RE: old mozzer ["Marc Holden" ] Re: I think I'm gonna hurl [FSThomas ] RE: reap ["David Stovall" ] R.E.M. - D.O.A. [xx ] RE: reap ["Michael Wells" ] Re: I think I'm gonna hurl ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: reap [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #119 ["Mark P" ] Re: old mozzer [The Great Quail ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #119 [Tom Clark ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #119 [2fs ] Re: old mozzer [Eb ] Re: old mozzer [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #119 ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #118 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: old mozzer [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: old mozzer [2fs ] Re: old mozzer [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: old mozzer [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #118 [2fs ] Re: old mozzer [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:32:55 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "Eb", and I need you to give me a spanking <> well, the egyptians -- although it took 'em five years after opening for R.E.M.. me too; excepting that i think "Hyena" is kinda boring. we call that "pocket pool" here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 17:14:07 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Battleship Chains, Corky Laing etc. Quoting fegmaniax-digest : "Battleship Chains": what a great song! I rushed out and bought the LP but that was the only sensible song on it. My big burly pal Patch used to sing "battleship chains and a two ton hammer". I always reckoned it was "anchor" but he was too big to argue with. Last saw Patch at the delightful Leslie West and Corky Laing gig last week. How they have the _noive_ to go out as Mountain without Steve Knight and Felix Pappalardi I do not know, but if you treat them as a White Stripes kind of gtr and drums show they are IT. Too bad about the bass player - send for Jack Bruce, Corky, _urgently_! At any rate in time for Swindon on Friday. - - Mike "Corky Laing is brill" Godwin n.p. My new acoustic version of 'Nantucket Sleighride' PS Going to see Daltrey and Townshend next month as they are on a bill with RH and his ridiculous American band. How they have the _noive_ to go out as anything other than the High Numbers I do not know... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:28:10 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: old mozzer On 5/31/06, 2fs wrote: > > ...and a white rock band with zero percent hip-hop component hiring a > guest rapper in 2004 is approximately as dumb as a fundamentalist > Christian > conservative deciding that Bumfuck and Wickdip, the Karnal Klowns, would > be > a good choice for his 8-year-old's birthday party - Is that a real act? Shit, another band name to cross off the list. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:30:13 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: OT: I think I'm gonna hurl What *is* it with middle-aged white guys and "the blues"? On 6/1/06, FSThomas wrote: > > http://www.variety-playhouse.com/schedule.html#seagal > > > In late 2005 and early 2006 Steven Seagal embarked on a long held > musical dream b to record a breal blues albumb honoring and recording > with the last of the living legends in Memphis. T - -- ...Jeff Norman, an apparent exception The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:54:27 -0700 From: "Patrick Oltraver" Subject: RE: I think I'm gonna hurl Stephen Segal? Bah! I'm waiting for the Chuck Norris record. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:22:36 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: RE: old mozzer the other Marc said: >Strangely enough, it's the one I like the best. From the first >strains of Begin the Begin through Swan Swan H, I like it >all quite a bit. I don't mind being the odd man out when it >comes to favorite REM album, but that's where I am so I >guess I don't have much of a choice but to not mind it. I'd have to agree. Life's Rich Pageant was/is one of my favorites. It was also the first tour I saw them on--they had a show scheduled at my college for the Fables of the Reconstruction tour, but it was cancelled due to an insurance problem. I found my way backstage several times and got caught each time. Finally the head of security pulled me aside and said "Look, I don't know how you keep getting back here, and I'm not sure if I can keep you out, so will you wear this and keep me out of trouble?" So, I wound up with a backstage pass. I got the whole band to sign my Fables of the Reconstruction album--Michael had a bit of an issue with the paint marker I gave him ("I hate this pen"), and went into a weird shutdown mode for several minutes afterward. It was the first sign I saw that not all was well with him. Opening band, Let's Active broke up shortly afterward. The opener on the show that got cancelled was the dB's, who again, weren't long together afterward. I also saw Pylon open for them on the Green tour. Later, Marc btw--happy belated birthday, James One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. "Oh no," I said, "Disneyland burned down." He cried and cried, but I think that deep down he thought it was a pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:20:53 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: I think I'm gonna hurl Patrick Oltraver wrote: > Stephen Segal? Bah! I'm waiting for the Chuck Norris record. Chuck Norris? Hellen Keller's favorite color is Chuck Norris. - -Ferris "Lake of Fire" Thomas More interesting facts: http://4q.cc/index.php?pid=fact&person=chuck - -or- http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:29:23 -0700 From: "David Stovall" Subject: RE: reap >From: "Michael Wells" >Subject: reap > >Pocket billiards ace Steve 'The Miz' Mizerak has found the corner >pocket, 61 > >http://tinyurl.com/ohkb6 Only 61? Man, that's amazing, I remember watching him (on, was it the USA channel?) musta been 25 years ago. (I wasn't, apparently, the only adolescent billiards buff around, eh?) To think he was younger then than I am now - it doesn't seem right. Now, Eva Mataya, there's a reason for a 13-year-old to watch competitive billiards tournaments,... da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: xx Subject: R.E.M. - D.O.A. I've been a long time REM fan (even got a phone call *from* Bertis Downs - but that is another story). I too have been disappointed by there post-Bill Berry / post-Scott Litt era. The albums are just boring to me, not that I am expecting another NAIHF or LRP. But c'mon. The songs are okay, but I really do not like the arrangements/instrumentations and production. The demos for Reveal were much better than the album versions. In live performance, I liked the songs from Up & Reveal better as well. I guess that my expectations are too high for each new album. Take 'Around the Sun', for example. They went on a Greatest Hits tour and played a lot of old stuff. They released 2 new recordings - the rockin' "Animal", and one from the vaults "Bad Day". Both full of energy and passion that had been missing. When I saw them at the Hollywood Bowl, they looked like they were having fun. So, I wrongly figured, the new album would be a rockin' one. Nope. More mellow droning. I didn't even bother with seeing them on that tour. The last several Minus 5 albums were much better, to me, than the last few REM albums. Check out Mark Eitzel's "West" for what sounds like a great REM album. oh well...back to lurker mode. - -griffith Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:10:48 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: reap >Only 61? Man, that's amazing, I remember watching him (on, >was it the USA channel?) musta been 25 years ago. (I wasn't, >apparently, the only adolescent billiards buff around, eh?) I always felt like there was something just slightly unwholesome (and therefore interesting) about seeing billiards and trick shot competitions on TV back in the day...like you could pick up Dodgy Skills of the Adult World without actually going to the pool parlor or neighborhood bar. Seeing The Miz on those early Lite Beer commercials probably helped. Just found out that Bernard Seigel (aka Buddy Blue) of the Beat Farmers died last month. And so it goes... Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:12:35 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: I think I'm gonna hurl On 6/1/06, FSThomas wrote: > > Patrick Oltraver wrote: > > Stephen Segal? Bah! I'm waiting for the Chuck Norris record. I useta hafta call the WALKER TEXAS RANGER production office as part of my job. Their hold music was the show's theme song on a loop. Chuck, erm, sang that song. And they put you on hold a lot. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: really???? Neil wrote: I thought it was a relatively successful single for The Pretenders. I know I heard their version first. I presume most people did as well. Did this song help introduce anyone to the Kinks? Wow. I can't say this very often, but right now it feels really good to be OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My first reaction to the Pretenders' doing Stop Your Sobbing was "Who the hell do they think they are?!?" I like the first three Pretenders albums OK, but I think that SYS is too Phil Spectoresque for that song - there are no empty spaces. Anyway, I want to hear from some oldsters who didn't hear the Pretenders version first. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:43:44 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: reap On 6/1/06, David Stovall wrote: > > > Now, Eva Mataya, there's a reason for a 13-year-old to watch > competitive billiards tournaments,... Just googled (not a billiards fan). Add joke here re "balls," "in pocket" etc. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:16:51 -0400 From: "Mark P" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #119 > ...Jeff Norman spaketh - > > I'm curious that you find LRP such a low-water mark. The usual contenders > are (depending on the period in question) Green, Monster, and pretty much > everything after AFTP (with some folks favoring NAIHF: that is to say, > "pretty much everything post-Berry"). Monster was a high water mark in the midst of a severe drought for yrs truly. Granted. Alotta clunkers contained within but it was FULL frontal guitar and feedback was back and noise for noise sake and the tour was spectacular w/Mssr Nathan December as third axeman. Still listen to it often even though the needle drops at *key* cuts now. And. For what it's worth. My credo's been "No Bill Berry, NO R.E.M. ...period!" Your opinion on Reckoning (below) but around that time, that band was GOD for Marky here. The Mitch/Drive-In connection, the hokey/country looseness, brilliant album that holds up real well. For me. Not that it matters a damn but I was down the hallowed Record Stop in Lake Ronkonkoma, L.I., N.Y. that fateful afternoon the Hib-Tone single arrived. So. That early epoch and me, well, special. It was a heady couple next years. Awaiting subsequent releases, following the band like a lost puppy. It was the early eighties, I was young, gas was cheap, tix prices cheaper, what can I say. If I were hard pressed nowady to clarion a fav ... prolly would be Fables. Man I've been having a somewhat renewed love affair concerning that elpee. Dark Southern Jangle Goth morphing into Dark Southern/English Jangle Goth ...or somethin'. Been on a ANYTHING Mssr J. Boyd bender for a protracted while now anyway. So. Anyway. m But I suppose that of the IRS albums, > it might be the weakest. That, or (surprisingly) Reckoning, which despite > having a couple of killer songs also has a couple of the lamest (I can > never > remember how "Letter Never Sent" goes, and "Time after Time" has never > done > much for me either). On the other hand, I think Fables is way stronger > than > a lot of people do, who argue that it's incoherent and murkily produced > (odd > crit that last for REM!). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:58:09 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: old mozzer Eb writes, > Worst REM album: Around the Sun, without a doubt. Second worst: > Reveal. Please break up, guys. And "Up" is the third. Yes, please break up, guys! Maybe one or two of you have something interesting in a solo sort of way. But...aieeee, this long death....it's raining...like a slow divorce.... Man, I used to love REM. I have to say, I was shocked when they began to go "bad." I thought that they were unassailable, you know? It never even occurred to me that they could end in such a prolonged, limp murmur. It was kind of dispiriting, and unfortunately eye-opening. Like, "Damn! What is this could happen to....anyone? Even...U2*?" Anyway, I *love* "Life's Rich Pageant," it's my favorite REM album, up there with "Document," "Fables," and "Monster." Yeah, I loved "Monster." And I love the Smiths. Fuck you all for not understanding! Makes me want to...sulk. In my...closet. Sulk, and maybe glower a bit, in a sort of adolescent self-pitying way. I love you Jill Brand, and the rest of them will never understand our love! Eb, you liked "Crash?" For real...? Jesus. - --Quail PS: *U2 was not meant ironically. They have never put out a bad song, let alone a bad album! For, like, over twenty five fucking years. Kiss my ass, you infidels. Brother Bono will show you the light, if only you allow the scales to fall from your eyes! There's plenty of room in the tent, brothers and sisters! Even for music store clerks, Mojo Magazine wankers, Pitchfork snobs, dispirited hipsters, and Yo La Tengo fans. And Rex -- always room for Rex. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:17:17 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #119 On Jun 1, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Mark P wrote: > Not that it matters a damn but I was down the hallowed Record Stop > in Lake > Ronkonkoma, L.I., N.Y. that fateful afternoon the Hib-Tone single > arrived. Ah the big lake. I grew up in nearby Neconset and remember a schoolyard rumor that there was an underground tunnel that led from the bottom of Lake Ronkonkoma to Niagra Falls. It sure made swimming there a lot more interesting! As far as REM is concerned, I agree that the whole Mitch Easter era, with Let's Active etc., was great. A nice temporary scene. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:33:36 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #119 On 6/1/06, Mark P wrote: > > > ...Jeff Norman spaketh - > > > Monster was a high water mark in the midst of a severe drought for yrs > truly. Granted. Alotta clunkers contained within but it was FULL frontal > guitar and feedback was back and noise for noise sake I like Monster pretty well. I was just noting that a lot of people don't. I just wish Buck had found more than two effects pedals, however. Your opinion on Reckoning (below) but around that time, that band was GOD > for Marky here. The Mitch/Drive-In connection, the hokey/country > looseness, > brilliant album that holds up real well. For me. What's funny is that I would have agreed with you - but recently relistening, I realized that the record dragged quite a bit on the songs I mentioned. Of course, it's still a fine album - I'm ranking it against the rest of the band's IRS catalog, which sets a pretty high standard. Fables grows on me, in fact: just relistened to it, and it's pretty damned strong top to bottom. Weakest tracks are "Kensey" and "Wendell Gee" - but both are very well-placed in the sequence (I can't imagine this album ending other than with "Wendell Gee"). I used to think "Can't Get There from Here" was too silly - but now I think the album needs that moment. And for a relatively disposable rocker, "Auctioneer" is just bizarre and intense enough to be not disposable at all. The rest of the tracks are all contenders for my own personal R.E.M.'s Greatest collection. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:41:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: old mozzer The Great Quail wrote: >> Worst REM album: Around the Sun, without a doubt. Second worst: >> Reveal. Please break up, guys. > > And "Up" is the third. I haven't played Green in awhile (I only have this on a homemade tape!), but I'd have to compare the two to be sure. > Man, I used to love REM. I have to say, I was shocked when they > began to go > "bad." I thought that they were unassailable, you know? It never even > occurred to me that they could end in such a prolonged, limp > murmur. It was > kind of dispiriting, and unfortunately eye-opening. I know what you mean. In a way, it would be less depressing if REM tried to change their sound and spectacularly bombed. I never would have thought REM would sink into sheer triviality and irrelevance. It's like when you look up some old warhorse like Procol Harum or Iron Butterfly on AllMusic, and you see all these later albums which you've never even heard of. I think REM is crossing the line into that world now. Time to leave Warner Bros. and sign with Razor & Tie. I don't think they're good enough for Yep Roc.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:05:55 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: old mozzer On 6/1/06, The Great Quail wrote: > > Eb writes, > > > Worst REM album: Around the Sun, without a doubt. Second worst: > > Reveal. Please break up, guys. > > And "Up" is the third. Yes, please break up, guys! Maybe one or two of you > have something interesting in a solo sort of way. But...aieeee, this long > death....it's raining...like a slow divorce.... Yep. A friend of mine recently had dinner with Mitch Easter and his wife. Apparently, the sort of sap-o-rific dirgey ballad thing was incipient in them from the start: the Axis of Mikes was inclined that way, Stipe in particular. Easter said he wasn't really surprised by the way things have turned out - particularly since Stipe's become such a dominant force in the band. > > And I love the Smiths. Fuck you all for not understanding! Makes me want > to...sulk. In my...closet. Sulk, and maybe glower a bit, in a sort of > adolescent self-pitying way. Did I happen to mention that I cried?* Hey, I still like the Smiths - although things kinda tailed off towards the end. The first couple of Morrissey records are pretty damned fine, too - as are the last two. The ones in between, not so much. But there's almost always something good on there. * From the dead-on Morrissey parody on some episode or other of MST3K. If I were really a geek, I'd know exactly which one - including the episode number, which skits were performed, etc. But I don't. PS: *U2 was not meant ironically. They have never put out a bad song, let > alone a bad album! For, like, over twenty five fucking years. Kiss my ass, > you infidels. Brother Bono will show you the light, if only you allow the > scales to fall from your eyes! There's plenty of room in the tent, > brothers > and sisters! Even for music store clerks, Mojo Magazine wankers, Pitchfork > snobs, dispirited hipsters, and Yo La Tengo fans. And Rex -- always room > for > Rex. Hmmm. I will stand up at least and say I'm in the "they do not suck, bonehead!" club. But to my ears, some songs end up being just a bit indistinct. A lot of them are on All That Leaves Your Behind or whatever it's called. They've always been just a little bit out of it, a little bit not-quite-cool. But so what. Indeed, the tent is large: just because they've not been "cutting edge" since maybe the first couple albums doesn't mean there hasn't been a hell of a lot of quality music. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:44:09 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #119 On 6/1/06, 2fs wrote: > > > Fables grows on me, in fact: just relistened to it, and it's pretty damned > strong top to bottom. Weakest tracks are "Kensey" and "Wendell Gee" - but > both are very well-placed in the sequence (I can't imagine this album > ending > other than with "Wendell Gee"). I can't imagine a time when "Fables" won't be one of my five favorite records ever; generally it's in the top three, but occasionally I listen to it and can't hear it at all (it's like the grooves in my mind are worn out like an old LP or something). The murk makes it somehow one of the most real things I've ever heard. You know, I'm big on songcraft, but strangely some of my very most beloved albums barely have a moment on them that is intellible or makes much literal sense. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:54:23 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: old mozzer On 6/1/06, The Great Quail wrote: > > > > PS: *U2 was not meant ironically. They have never put out a bad song, let > alone a bad album! For, like, over twenty five fucking years. Kiss my ass, > you infidels. Brother Bono will show you the light, if only you allow the > scales to fall from your eyes! There's plenty of room in the tent, > brothers > and sisters! Even for music store clerks, Mojo Magazine wankers, Pitchfork > snobs, dispirited hipsters, and Yo La Tengo fans. And Rex -- always room > for > Rex. U2 is good. I think my stance on Bono's posturing has softened a bit recently, and while none of their recent stuff has lit my world on fire, it's definitely worthy. Consistent and admirable. I wouldn't trade a single one of those records for REM's "Up", which I love, but they're all far better than "Reveal" or "ATS" . And has ANY band, much less one that's made Top 10 records for 20 years, EVER retained its original lineup with no breaks for that long? It's pretty damned amazing. In some ways U2 are even weirder than REM because they don't seem that weird from the get-go, but there's definitely some "weird" in the uncool factor. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:01:22 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #118 >Peter Buck has said in interviews that he'd had lunches longer than >it took to record this record, and the version of Raspberry Beret is >lifted in one take from the Prince song book purchased that very >morning, entertain if not uplifting. well, that's the whole feel of the record - you get the feeling it was never meant to be really serious, just some guys having some fun recording together. it's almost as if releasing the thing was an afterthought. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:20:21 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: old mozzer Michael and Rex exchanged: >Interesting note, when the Smiths started breaking out in 1984, the >Go-Betweens were fellow label mates on Sire records with them. Sire >made the decision to drop the G-B's and keep the Smiths based on the >sales figures and not having the budget to promote them both. I >would give the Go-Betweens five 1983-88 albums, Before Hollywood, >Spring Hill Fair, Liberty Bell, Tallulah and 16 Lovers Lane a huge >edge over the Smiths output. >I'd've had a lotta records ahead of GREEN if I'd done Year-End Tops lists >back then, but I dunno if the Smiths would make it. Was that the year of >QUEEN ELVIS? QE is not a personal fave of mine in the RH catalog but I rate >it over GREEN. So, just for a quick "hmm...", this would probably have been my top ten of that year, 1988. Note, this is based on my occasionally apocryphal catalogue, so if some of these albums aren't 1988 that's the reason: Top 10: 1. Born Sandy Devotional (Triffids) 2. Life's Too Good (Sugarcubes) 3. Globe of Frogs (RH) 4. The White Arcades (Harold Budd) 5. Copperhead Road (Steve Earle) 6. Lincoln (They Might Be Giants) 7. Dream of Life (Patti Smith) 8. 16 Lovers Lane (GoBetweens) 9. Ultra Vivid Scene (Ultra Vivid Scene) 10. Workers' Playtime (Billy Bragg) other notables of the year: Starfish(Church); Watermark (Enya); Whatever Happened to Jugula? (Roy Harper); Casual Gods (Jerry Harrison); Joe Jackson Live 80-86; The indescribable wow (Sam Phillips); Bird Dog (Verlaines); 20 years of Jethro Tull boxed set. Green annoys the hell out of me because it was such a huge comedown after the previous two or three truly sublime albums. I've never really forgiven it. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:35:09 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: old mozzer On 6/1/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > And has ANY band, much less one that's made Top 10 records for 20 years, > EVER retained its original lineup with no breaks for that long? It's > pretty > damned amazing. Good question! Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone...let's see, definitely *not* The Fall... Interestingly, a different but vaguely related category: bands that have never had other than their original members. Wire comes to mind (because I don't count George Gill), for 25+ intermittent years. And actually, so does R.E.M. - complicated by all those auxiliary members that have played with them for years but aren't, so far as I know, actual members. You might be right: is there another act that's stayed intact for as long as U2? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: old mozzer Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > And has ANY band, much less one that's made Top 10 > records for 20 years, EVER retained its original > lineup with no breaks for that long? It's > pretty damned amazing. ZZ Top? "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:25:42 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: old mozzer On 6/1/06, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > And has ANY band, much less one that's made Top 10 > > records for 20 years, EVER retained its original > > lineup with no breaks for that long? It's > > pretty damned amazing. > > ZZ Top? Ah, but who can tell? It could be *anybody* underneath those damned beards... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:21:29 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V15 #118 On 6/1/06, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > well, that's the whole feel of the record - you get the feeling it > was never meant to be really serious, just some guys having some fun > recording together. it's almost as if releasing the thing was an > afterthought. Pretty much was - it stayed in the can like five years. Would have been better to dribble things out on b-sides, etc., I think. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:29:26 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: old mozzer On 6/1/06, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > And has ANY band, much less one that's made Top 10 > > records for 20 years, EVER retained its original > > lineup with no breaks for that long? It's > > pretty damned amazing. > > ZZ Top? Probably so - the AMG entry notes that they're the "only" (according to AMG - - not always reliable) band to have survived 30 years with all original members. However, that entry also notes that they'd taken "a break" for three years - whether that meant they just stopped recording and touring or whether they'd broken up and re-formed, I don't know. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #120 ********************************