From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #103 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, May 10 2006 Volume 15 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Go reap ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Go reap [2fs ] RE: Go reap ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Go reap ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] pith on myth [J ] RE: pith on myth ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Go reap ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Go reap [Eb ] sl. more measured response to reap [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Go reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Mini-Review ["Stacked Crooked" ] Brandy new Mag Fields [FSThomas ] Re: Mini-Review [Eb ] Re: Brandy new Mag Fields [2fs ] Re: Mini-Review [2fs ] Re: Go reap [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: sl. more measured response to reap ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Brandy new Mag Fields [FSThomas ] 19seventy9! [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:00:08 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Go reap Subject: Re: Go reap >Thanks Sebastian, Rex and (offlist) Jeff. allofmp3 has Oceans Apart, >which I'm sampling right now. I am not sure what version of allofmp3 has, but late last year Lo-Max released a new version of Oceans Apart the cleans up some of the distortion that the Yep Roc and original Lo-Max version had on the last few songs. Buy the new version from Lo-Max if you intend on buying OA, it's well worth it. The second disc is a live 2004 performance from London. Oceans Apart is by far my favorite from the reformed Go-Betweens. Friends of Rachel Worth from 2000 has some good songs, but the production is not up to snuff. Bright Yellow, Bright Orange from 2003 is one of my lease favorite G-B's albums. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:48:51 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Go reap On 5/9/06, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > > I am not sure what version of allofmp3 has, but late last year Lo-Max > released > a new version of Oceans Apart the cleans up some of the distortion that > the > Yep Roc and original Lo-Max version had on the last few songs. Buy the new > version from Lo-Max if you intend on buying OA, it's well worth it. The > second disc is a live 2004 performance from London. That was included in early editions of the Yep Roc version, I think. Kinda sucks that Yep Roc released it that way. I did notice that distortion, although I put it down to my ears hearing distortion on one instrument (the bass in "This Night's for You," for example) on the whole track. Grrr. Yep Roc should give me my money back. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:10:00 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Go reap On 5/9/06, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> >> >> I am not sure what version of allofmp3 has, but late last year Lo-Max >> released >> a new version of Oceans Apart the cleans up some of the distortion that >> the >> Yep Roc and original Lo-Max version had on the last few songs. Buy the new >> version from Lo-Max if you intend on buying OA, it's well worth it. The >> second disc is a live 2004 performance from London. Jeff came back with: >That was included in early editions of the Yep Roc version, I think. >Kinda sucks that Yep Roc released it that way. I did notice that distortion, >although I put it down to my ears hearing distortion on one instrument (the >bass in "This Night's for You," for example) on the whole track. >Grrr. Yep Roc should give me my money back. Lo-Max was doing a free swap out program for the new version if you bought an original Lo-Max version like I did. All you had to do was mail them your original version and L-M sent the new version back. I am not sure if that program is still active or if they will swap out a Yep Roc version. Yep Roc should have stepped up to the pump and started their own swap out program! I heard rumors on the G-B's website that they might, it's worth a shot to check with both companies regarding your Yep Roc version. Michael B. NP Great Speckled Bird ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:45:41 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Go reap On 5/9/06, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > On 5/9/06, Bachman, Michael wrote: > >> > >> > >> I am not sure what version of allofmp3 has, but late last year Lo-Max > >> released > >> a new version of Oceans Apart the cleans up some of the distortion that > >> the > >> Yep Roc and original Lo-Max version had on the last few songs. Buy the > new > >> version from Lo-Max if you intend on buying OA, it's well worth it. The > >> second disc is a live 2004 performance from London. It's a measure of the fact tha I haven't listened to records on a good stereo for quite some time that I hadn't noticed this (and I listened to that record a good deal... through monitor speakers at work, and/or on an iPod driving a 25-year-old boombox in mono. Whee!) Sebastian: > Seconded. Of course the most accessible one is "16 Lovers Lane". I didn't > like the production at the time but have since come to accept it. > Same thing applies somewhat to TALLULAH (production slightly less slick but even more dated). Both records have essential songs far beyond the singles, though. On the reunion records, BYBO is really just fine... it's less of a grabber than the other two, but since I can't pin down why-- there are great songs on there-- I assume it could easily be someone's dark horse favorite. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: J Subject: pith on myth I googled Grant Mclennan and this interview between him and Nick Cave popped up. It's a fun read - they had quite a history, those two. They sound like quarreling siblings. I sympathize with Grant's position, watching someone he turned on to so many things go on to be famous. But I've always enjoyed Nick Cave because his ego is so big and obvious, like his hair (although I think he is balding). http://www.jturner.dircon.co.uk/gb/gm&nc.htm Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:52:07 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: pith on myth J.wrote: >I googled Grant Mclennan and this interview between >him and Nick Cave popped up. It's a fun read - they >had quite a history, those two. They sound like >quarreling siblings. I sympathize with Grant's >position, watching someone he turned on to so many >things go on to be famous. But I've always enjoyed >Nick Cave because his ego is so big and obvious, like >his hair (although I think he is balding). Pretty interesting banter between Nick and Grant about Grant writing Cattle and Cain using Nick's guitar. Dave Nichols book on the Go-Betweens has some good bits about The Birthday Party and G-B's as well. Grant used to be good friends with Tracy Pew of the BP in London. Michael B. NP The Pretty Things - Freeway Madness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:24:37 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Go reap Sebastian: >> Seconded. Of course the most accessible one is "16 Lovers Lane". I didn't >> like the production at the time but have since come to accept it. Rex: >Same thing applies somewhat to TALLULAH (production slightly less slick but >even more dated). Both records have essential songs far beyond the singles, >though. On the reunion records, BYBO is really just fine... it's less of a >grabber than the other two, but since I can't pin down why-- there are great >songs on there-- I assume it could easily be someone's dark horse favorite. Of all the newish dual disc versions of their six albums from the 80's, TALLULAH benefits the most from the new remastering. Buried voices and instruments are now clearly audible, and the production woes of previous versions are greatly reduced. Songs that I would skip over I now listen to. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:51:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Go reap Bachman, Michael wrote: >>> like the production at the time but have since come to accept it. > > Rex: >> Same thing applies somewhat to TALLULAH (production slightly less >> slick but >> even more dated). Both records have essential songs far beyond >> the singles, >> though. On the reunion records, BYBO is really just fine... it's >> less of a >> grabber than the other two, but since I can't pin down why-- there >> are great >> songs on there-- I assume it could easily be someone's dark horse >> favorite. > > Of all the newish dual disc versions of their six albums from the > 80's, TALLULAH > benefits the most from the new remastering. Buried voices and > instruments are > now clearly audible, and the production woes of previous versions > are greatly > reduced. Songs that I would skip over I now listen to. I was sick with a puke headache in the middle of last night, and opted for Spring Hill Fair as my sedative listening. My small act of mourning? I note there are now fresh tributes from Robert Forster, Ted Leo and Lloyd Cole added to the message-board pile. A pretty impressive outpouring. There's also one from Danny Lloyd, though I suspect the odds are poor that this is the grown-up kid from "The Shining." ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:23:38 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: sl. more measured response to reap I am really saddened by Grant's death. I've drifted in and out of listening to the Go-Betweens over the years (and Grant solo, for that matter), but along with the church and the Triffids they formed part of a triumvirate of Aussie bands that carried me through much of my years at university. They were also a great musical influence - especially Grant, whose slightly more lush sound and softer vocals you can hear somewhat reflected in many of my own songs. In fact, the first time I ever played music in public with my first band, we played a handful of originals and several covers: "Do it clean" by Echo and the Bunnymen, "Tomorrow never knows" by the Beatles... and "This girl, black girl" (oddly, in a later band, our second guitarist looked unnervingly like McLennan, making any later renditions of this song feel quite strange). I agree with whoever said they can tell the difference between McLennan and Forster songs even before the vocals start. Grant was the one more likely to be introduced with full orchestrations. As to the vocals, I prefer Grant's softer, more melodic take, whereas I find that Robert - at least in the early days - sometimes sounded like a pop Mark E Smith. I get the same feelings with my home town's heroes the Clean - where I'm often drawn to Robert Scott's songs over David Kilgour's (an ex-GF of mine talked about the "street-singer and choirboy" combination as making for the perfect vocal sound of a band). And I'm always impressed by a musician who can write in odd meters and time signatures without it being readily apparent. The weirdness of "Cattle and Cane", which isn't that noticeable on first listen, is right up there with the odd yet barely perceptible 14-bar pattern of Paul McCartney's "Yesterday". And since we've had a few mentions of favourite albums - notably Liberty Belle and 16 Lovers lane, I'll put in a nod for the one between them that seems to have been overlooked - Tallulah. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:51:26 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Go reap Bachman, Michael wrote: > > I am not sure what version of allofmp3 has, but late last year Lo-Max released > a new version of Oceans Apart the cleans up some of the distortion that the > Yep Roc and original Lo-Max version had on the last few songs. allofmp3 say the release date was may 2005, so that doesn't help with the revision. Didn't hear any distortion -- last tracks sounded okay. It was interesting (in a good way) to hear a band that still had that 80's bombast thing going on. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:48:52 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: Mini-Review if this twisted and sick post is your idea of a joke, i'm not laughing. i won't even dignify this travesty with a response: come talk to me when you figure out how to punctuate a sentence in a logical manner. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:35:05 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Brandy new Mag Fields Been listening to the new Magnetic Fields track, "If I Were a Rich Man" more than once tonight. http://www.youaintnopicasso.com/2006/05/09/the-magnetic-fields-if-i-were-a-rich-man/ Opinions? - -- FS Thomas | Interactive Developer | fsthomas-at-ochremedia.com 404.758.8616 (home/office) | 404.274.1632 (mobile) | ferraatu (AIM) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:44:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Mini-Review Stacked Kook wrote: > > > if this twisted and sick post is your idea of a joke, i'm not > laughing. i > won't even dignify this travesty with a response: come talk to me > when you > figure out how to punctuate a sentence in a logical manner. I have strong misgivings about this usage of a colon. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:35:31 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Brandy new Mag Fields On 5/9/06, FSThomas wrote: > > Been listening to the new Magnetic Fields track, "If I Were a Rich Man" > more than once tonight. > > > http://www.youaintnopicasso.com/2006/05/09/the-magnetic-fields-if-i-were-a-ri ch-man/ > > Opinions? Thanks for the link - but without having heard it yet, my sole opinion so far is that it's actually from 1999 (according to the Amazon link at the site you link). Actually that isn't even an opinion. Therefore, my opinion is: you have an admirably elastic definition of "new" ;-) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:36:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Mini-Review n 5/9/06, Eb wrote: > > Stacked Kook wrote: > > > > > > if this twisted and sick post is your idea of a joke, i'm not > > laughing. i > > won't even dignify this travesty with a response: come talk to me > > when you > > figure out how to punctuate a sentence in a logical manner. > > I have strong misgivings about this usage of a colon. Ouch. Ouch ouch ouch ouch. My ass hurts. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:19:39 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Go reap - --On 9. Mai 2006 20:51:26 -0400 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > It was interesting (in a good way) to hear a band that still had that > 80's bombast thing going on. Come again? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:56:47 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: sl. more measured response to reap On 5/9/06, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > I agree with whoever said they can tell the difference between > McLennan and Forster songs even before the vocals start. (hand in the air... me me me) Grant was > the one more likely to be introduced with full orchestrations. As to > the vocals, I prefer Grant's softer, more melodic take, whereas I > find that Robert - at least in the early days - sometimes sounded > like a pop Mark E Smith. Like a Southern Mark Smith! (That's for Matt Sewell and the other Jazz Butcher fans out there.) > And since we've had a few mentions of favourite albums - notably > Liberty Belle and 16 Lovers lane, I'll put in a nod for the one > between them that seems to have been overlooked - Tallulah. James, you might not recall this, but long before there were any GB's reissues you kindly mailed me a copy of TALLULAH in exchange for a personal check that was probably a pain in the ass to cash. I hope I thanked you enough. I've never upgraded it and possess it still, with the price sticker and all. For various reasons it's probably my second favorite record of theirs. The loss of Grant makes me wish to never complain about a current Robyn Hitchcock release ever again. Please feel free to hold me to that, at least until such time as there are two more Soft Boys records. I'm just back from a gig at which I did indeed sing "Bye Bye Pride" in memoriam; two people who talked to me afterwards hadn't heard the news. I'm stuck on the lyric "a line from her letter, May 24" and a few odd facts. While I'm fairly sure that Grant chose that date in the lyric for unrelated, and probabaly literally literal, reasons, May 24 is Bob Dylan's birthday. I'd mentioned before that "Bye Bye Pride" was the first lullabye that I sang and played for my first daughter. In truth, that may or may not be the case: it was either that song or "Visions of Johanna", but even at the time I was conscious that the two songs had that odd connection. I never could have conceived that we'd lose the writer of "Bye Bye Pride" before the writer of "Visions of Johanna". There are probably quite a few great Dylan songs we have yet to hear. But what the hell would've stopped Grant from reaching the same total? - -Rx Broome, gtr & vcl for the band that from Day One has described itself as a cross between the Modern Lovers and the Go-Betweens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:14:20 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Mini-Review On 5/9/06, Eb wrote: > > I have strong misgivings about this usage of a colon. Well, there's a first time for everything. Two pertinent news items::: http://www.andpop.com/article/5714 and:::: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47467 Rx "I've got a colon and I'm going to use it" Br. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:33:22 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Brandy new Mag Fields 2fs wrote: > Therefore, my opinion > is: you have an admirably elastic definition of "new" ;-) Ok, ok. "New to me." - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:48:05 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: 19seventy9! Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 9 2006 Volume 15 : Number 102 Well, without too much blowing of this Bronze Age trumpet , I felt that the gigs on 30th April and to a lesser extent on 1st May were a bit of a triumph. Roger Chivers is supposedly sorting out a video of the Sunday night show, which had some memorable moments, notably the appearances by Mick Moss, Gil Gillian, Lindsey Huchrak and Able Lawrence (not to mention my stepdaughter Ruth Osner). Rich Malandrone and Alex Rowson were great too, and the landlord Mark Palmer appeared totally blissed out and asked me and Roger to appear there again soon! Sorry I haven't posted this earlier, but I have been suffering from post-gig exhaustion. Michael and all other interested parties: the next one(s) are planned for August when the illustrious John Loder is visiting from Rotters. I have the chords and words for St James Infirmary now, so nothing can go wrong... - - Mike "just one more guitar won't do me any harm" Godwin n.p. 'Buona sera signorina buona sera', Acker Bilk. PS Roger Chapman has cancelled his Bristol gig - bah! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #103 ********************************