From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #90 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 25 2006 Volume 15 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - live in Leicester / 23-June-2006 ["Matthi] I love people [Eb ] The Secret History of Dag ["Stacked Crooked" ] RE: I love people ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: I love people (and Michael Bachman) ["Brian Nupp" ] RE: I love people ["Maximilian Lang" ] The *Other* National Anthem ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: I love people [Capuchin ] RE: I love people [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: I love people [2fs ] Re: I love people [Eb ] Re: I love people [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: I love people [2fs ] Re: I love people [The Great Quail ] you are under my command: you will go the record store now... [2fs ] Re: you are under my command: you will go the record store now... ["Spott] Re: The *Other* National Anthem [2fs ] Re: I love people ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: I love people [The Great Quail ] Re: I love people [The Great Quail ] Re: I love people [2fs ] Re: I love people ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: I love people [2fs ] Re: The *Other* National Anthem [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:01:34 +0100 From: "Matthijs van Geldere" Subject: Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - live in Leicester / 23-June-2006 Just announced on See Tickets.... TICKETS FOR ROBYN HITCHCOCK Where: The Charlotte, Leicester When: FRIDAY, 23/06/2006, doors at 20:00, starts at 20:00 Also advertised on the website of The Charlotte, confirming it's RH plus the Minus 3.... http://www.thecharlotte.co.uk/june.htm http://www.seetickets.com/see/event.asp?e%7Cartist=ROBYN+HITCHCOCK&resultspe rpage=20&filler1=see ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:10:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: I love people So, yesterday evening, I had just finished running one of my routes and was cooling down, sitting on the grass by the curb. Car speeds by with two or three teenage Dudes. Kid riding shotgun gives me a ferocious "What are YOU looking at, mothahfuckah?" glare and flicks a small item out the open window at me. I assumed it was a cigarette butt. A few seconds later, the firecracker explodes about four feet away from my outstretched legs. Kids today, I tell ya, with their short hair and their Eminem CDs..... No respect for their elders. Meanwhile, I've been eking my way through "Imitation of Life," little bits at a time, and wondering why in the hell this film is regarded as such a classic. Most godawful tripe ever. Loads of dated racism, too. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:19:30 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: The Secret History of Dag . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:41:19 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: I love people Eb: >Meanwhile, I've been eking my way through "Imitation of Life," little >bits at a time, and wondering why in the hell this film is regarded >as such a classic. Most godawful tripe ever. Loads of dated racism, too. I made it about half way and gave up on it. Same reaction. On the other hand "Elevator To The Gallows", Louis Malle's first film is released tomorrow on Criterion DVD. from amazon.com: Elevator to the Gallows is many things: A tight, delicious crime thriller; the debut of director Louis Malle (Zazie dans le metro, Atlantic City, Au Revoir, Les Enfants, and many more works of subtle genius); a movie with perhaps the greatest jazz soundtrack of all time, created improvisationally by trumpeter Miles Davis; but above all, Elevator to the Gallows is the blooming of Jeanne Moreau to the status of true movie star, launching her on a career that included Jules & Jim, La notte, and La Femme Nikita. After killing his lover's husband, Julien (Maurice Ronet, Purple Noon) gets trapped in... Read more Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:08:16 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: RE: I love people (and Michael Bachman) - ---- Original Message ---- From: Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com >Michael B. For some reason when ever I see Michael Bachman's name I am reminded of slowdive. Anyone ever hear of the Greek band: Raining Pleasure? I'm going to Greece later this year and have been exploring Greek bands... Raining Pleasure both reminds me of Slowdive and sites them as an influence. The more I hear of these guys the more I like. CDs are almost impossible to find- I've only heard mp3s at their site and at their myspace account: http://www.myspace.com/rainingpleasure While I'm in Greece I will certainly look for their cds. They seem like a well guarded secret... - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:35:42 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: I love people (and Michael Bachman) Nuppy: >For some reason when ever I see Michael Bachman's name I am reminded >of slowdive. Thanks Nuppy. I still have to put up with BTO though. I never did check out Archers of Loaf, which was also headed up by a Bachman. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:51:52 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I love people (and Michael Bachman) On 4/24/06, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Thanks Nuppy. I still have to put up with BTO though. I never did check > out Archers of Loaf, which was also headed up by a Bachman. Actually, a Bachmann (Eric). I think he and Joe Turner (Seven Levels, ex-Abunai) should form a band. Hmm...I wonder what they might call it? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:31 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: I love people >From: Eb >Subject: I love people >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:10:20 -0700 > >So, yesterday evening, I had just finished running one of my routes and >was cooling down, sitting on the grass by the curb. > >Car speeds by with two or three teenage Dudes. Kid riding shotgun gives me >a ferocious "What are YOU looking at, mothahfuckah?" glare and flicks a >small item out the open window at me. I assumed it was a cigarette butt. > >A few seconds later, the firecracker explodes about four feet away from my >outstretched legs. > >Kids today, I tell ya, with their short hair and their Eminem CDs..... No >respect for their elders. Jeme listens to Eminem? >Meanwhile, I've been eking my way through "Imitation of Life," little bits >at a time, and wondering why in the hell this film is regarded as such a >classic. Most godawful tripe ever. Loads of dated racism, too. Which version? Racism is dated? Go to a construction site. Max ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:32:43 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: The *Other* National Anthem caution: extreme musical manual dexterity - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929684751749233 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: I love people On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Maximilian Lang wrote: > Jeme listens to Eminem? Quite a lot, actually. I think I can get my Kiwi Jimmy D. to back me up on this. Once you realize that even he knows he's full of shit, it all becomes a really clever piece of performance art. (Err... Marshall, not James -- and Eb doesn't yet know he's full of shit.) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: RE: I love people On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >Meanwhile, I've been eking my way through "Imitation of Life," little bits > >at a time, and wondering why in the hell this film is regarded as such a > >classic. Most godawful tripe ever. Loads of dated racism, too. > > Which version? Racism is dated? Go to a construction site. Or anywhere else. Racism is alive and well. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:10:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I love people On 4/24/06, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Maximilian Lang wrote: > > > >Meanwhile, I've been eking my way through "Imitation of Life," little bits > > >at a time, and wondering why in the hell this film is regarded as such a > > >classic. Most godawful tripe ever. Loads of dated racism, too. > > > > Which version? Racism is dated? Go to a construction site. > > Or anywhere else. Racism is alive and well. Just because something still exists doesn't mean it can't have outdated varieties. I mean yeesh: you folks think "racism" is always the same everywhere forever? There's any number of examples of behavior that we'd now generally see as intolerably racist that was perfectly acceptable once upon a time. I'm pretty sure help-wanted ads are no longer grouped into "Men," "Girls," and "Colored," for example. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:29:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: I love people 2fs wrote: >> > >Meanwhile, I've been eking my way through "Imitation of Life," >> little bits >> > >at a time, and wondering why in the hell this film is regarded >> as such a >> > >classic. Most godawful tripe ever. Loads of dated racism, too. >> > >> > Which version? Racism is dated? Go to a construction site. >> >> Or anywhere else. Racism is alive and well. > > Just because something still exists doesn't mean it can't have > outdated varieties. I mean yeesh: you folks think "racism" is always > the same everywhere forever? > > There's any number of examples of behavior that we'd now generally see > as intolerably racist that was perfectly acceptable once upon a time. > I'm pretty sure help-wanted ads are no longer grouped into "Men," > "Girls," and "Colored," for example. Yes. Or, say, a situation where underemployed black woman meets equally underemployed blond goddess on beach...immediately presents herself as an inferior, asks to be the goddess' maid and starts deferentially calling her "Miss Lora." That's institutionalized-type racism, not the "deviant" racism of a construction site. Ah well...SOMEONE assures me that the movie will pay off, if I can only force myself to watch the second half. Isn't it refreshing to have "I love people" as a dominant thread name? ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: I love people On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, 2fs wrote: > On 4/24/06, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Maximilian Lang wrote: > > > > > >Meanwhile, I've been eking my way through "Imitation of Life," little bits > > > >at a time, and wondering why in the hell this film is regarded as such a > > > >classic. Most godawful tripe ever. Loads of dated racism, too. > > > > > > Which version? Racism is dated? Go to a construction site. > > > > Or anywhere else. Racism is alive and well. > > Just because something still exists doesn't mean it can't have > outdated varieties. I mean yeesh: you folks think "racism" is always > the same everywhere forever? > > There's any number of examples of behavior that we'd now generally see > as intolerably racist that was perfectly acceptable once upon a time. > I'm pretty sure help-wanted ads are no longer grouped into "Men," > "Girls," and "Colored," for example. True, unless they're for sexual help in the back of your favorite alternative weekly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:00:13 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I love people On 4/25/06, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, 2fs wrote: > > > There's any number of examples of behavior that we'd now generally see > > as intolerably racist that was perfectly acceptable once upon a time. > > I'm pretty sure help-wanted ads are no longer grouped into "Men," > > "Girls," and "Colored," for example. > > True, unless they're for sexual help in the back of your favorite > alternative weekly. I wouldn't know anything about that - I'm married ;-) But yeah: the fact that personal ads generally specify race is irritating - I mean, I'm sure most people who do so do it out of habit and convention ("all the other ads say 'SWM'") but it's rather obnoxious when you think about what it implies: that there's some essential something about a person of whatever race that overrules all other traits for consideration as short- or long-term partner. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:37:23 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: I love people Jeff writes, > But yeah: the fact that personal ads generally specify race is > irritating - I mean, I'm sure most people who do so do it out of habit > and convention ("all the other ads say 'SWM'") but it's rather > obnoxious when you think about what it implies: that there's some > essential something about a person of whatever race that overrules all > other traits for consideration as short- or long-term partner. Just curious -- because I know I am speaking to an overwhelmingly white group of self-professed liberals.... Jeff, how many black women have you dated, compared to white women? I'm just asking, that's all. My first response is to find your post somewhat glib, but I really don't know much about you personally. It strikes me that most people of all races find a certain comfort in dating within a familiar cultural milieu; not to mention the pressures of family, neighborhood, locale, etc. I don't see much obnoxious or irritating about espousing sexual and romantic preferences. It seems very common across ethnic boundaries. This is not to say that the responses of others to interethnic dating cannot be obnoxious, irritating, or utterly insane. I mean no disrespect. After all, LJ is a soul sistah. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:47:58 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: you are under my command: you will go the record store now... ...and buy a copy of the Plasticland compilation _Make Yourself a Happening Machine_ (Ryko). You say you're the sort of fanatic who actually bought all this stuff on the CDs that were in print for five minutes (AMG is wrong in saying this stuff is first-time CD-issued)? Well, there's still one track not readily available elsewhere for you. This is brilliant psychedelia: not a sterile reproduction, and also not a slavish imitation (it's also clearly a product of the postpunk '80s: Glenn Rehse's snarl is half Pretty Things half Sid Vicious). And: these are songs, not just riffs, jams, or atmosphere (well, okay: some of the shorter pieces are just atmosphere - but good atmosphere!). Go. Now. Purchase, zombie horde! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:26:46 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: The *Other* National Anthem > caution: extreme musical manual dexterity - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929684751749233 Someone needs to mash this up with the Sting's "Sacred Love" and start broadcasting it into the deep reaches of space *pronto*. And they say we have no intelligent life on this planet. > it's rather obnoxious when you think about what it implies: that there's some essential something about a person of whatever race that overrules all other traits for consideration as short- or long-term partner. I agree. There are so many more good reasons for hating someone than simply the color of their skin. Gender, for instance. Political affiliation. A fondness for They Might Be Giants. Really, the list is endless. Michael Ps. saw David Gilmour here week before last. Extremely disappointing, other than a full-on 25 minute "Echoes". (MRG: Echoes!). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:39:06 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I love people On 4/25/06, The Great Quail wrote: > Jeff writes, > > > But yeah: the fact that personal ads generally specify race is > > irritating - I mean, I'm sure most people who do so do it out of habit > > and convention ("all the other ads say 'SWM'") but it's rather > > obnoxious when you think about what it implies: that there's some > > essential something about a person of whatever race that overrules all > > other traits for consideration as short- or long-term partner. > > Just curious -- because I know I am speaking to an overwhelmingly white > group of self-professed liberals.... > > Jeff, how many black women have you dated, compared to white women? I'm just > asking, that's all. In a way, my answer is irrelevant...precisely because of the reasons you outline below. The answer is none - but then, I've been in the same relationship for 23 years, and before that was in a 3-year relationship. I grew up in a suburb that was at the time quite white. There was a two-year window between the longish (for someone about 20) relationship and the current one, during which I was (a) broken-hearted, and then (b) nerdish and lacking in self-confidence. I think I went on two dates during that period. (For those doing the math, the above takes me back to age 16.) So I'm not a good sample. However, if I hypothesized myself single during this entire period, I could think of several non-white women I might have asked out, a couple of whom might have proved compatible for longer-term relationships. It is true that the circles I move in are still primarily white. My first response is to find your post somewhat glib, > but I really don't know much about you personally. It strikes me that most > people of all races find a certain comfort in dating within a familiar > cultural milieu; not to mention the pressures of family, neighborhood, > locale, etc. I don't see much obnoxious or irritating about espousing sexual > and romantic preferences. It seems very common across ethnic boundaries. But submitting an ad in the personals is often done precisely because *within* those known, familiar milieus, the person isn't finding potential partners. I'll summarize what I wrote offlist to someone else who asked me about this: It's racist (in a descriptive, not judgmental sense) simply because it presumes that whatever qualities one's looking for in a person are detemined to a sufficient extent by race that specifying race will make it likelier that the person you find will have those qualities. Assuming such qualities to be carried along with race is, by definition, racist. It's hard to use the word "racist" in a merely descriptive sense, without assuming it also hurls a huge load of disdain, insult, and general obloquy - but even though I'm sure you're correct, about preferences, that doesn't mean those preferences are not racist in a descriptive sense. What else could they be? Do we need another word to mean "believing that certain qualities, other than those that are category-defining, characterize members of a given racial group"? And I might as well say, also, that I'm not implying someone should go out and whomp those folks over the head, or such ads should be banned, or anything else. I am reading something about the person, judging from their self-expressed preferences (again with the reservation that a lot of people just include their race because everyone else does - and may well not care about it at all). I suppose the other question (again, answered in the offlist reply) is, hey, what do you care? I care in the same way I'd have an opinion about an ad that specified the respondent must be a member of the KKK (though clearly, this is nowhere near such an extreme): it strikes me as an instance of the persistence of racism. Which, I believe, was where this discussion started, on the persistence and evolution of racist beliefs and practices, as observed in whatever film it was whose title I forget because I've never seen it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:39:18 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: you are under my command: you will go the record store now... On 4/25/06, 2fs wrote: > > ...and buy a copy of the Plasticland compilation _Make Yourself a > Happening Machine_ (Ryko). > > Go. Now. Purchase, zombie horde! Zombie Horde, Voodoo Master say: also purchase one or the other of the two Tom Verlaine records due out today. If for no other reason than to make the idea of signing Television and having them actually record their new songs seem viable to some label somewhere. (I personally expect to really like at least one and a half of them, but Rush fans are never disappointed with the new one, so discount my opinion as you see fit, or as usual.) Is it time for us to start arguing about the upcoming Neil Young record yet? Please say it is. Oh, and I got confirmation last night from John of The Black Watch that, as suspected, Matt Sewell is a good chap all around. Also confirmed Matt's reports that John from The Black Watch is quite decent himself and the band's quite good, too. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:42:46 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The *Other* National Anthem On 4/25/06, Michael Wells wrote: > > it's rather obnoxious when you think about what it implies: that > there's some essential something about a person of whatever race that > overrules all other traits for consideration as short- or long-term > partner. > > > I agree. There are so many more good reasons for hating someone than > simply the color of their skin. Gender, for instance. Political > affiliation. A fondness for They Might Be Giants. Really, the list is > endless. You forgot "Misusing apostrophes." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:54:39 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: I love people > Jeff writes, > > > But yeah: the fact that personal ads generally specify race is > > irritating - I mean, I'm sure most people who do so do it out of habit > > and convention ("all the other ads say 'SWM'") but it's rather > > obnoxious when you think about what it implies: that there's some > > essential something about a person of whatever race that overrules all > > other traits for consideration as short- or long-term partner. On the other hand, it's doing anyone scanning the ads a favor. I mean, the intent is really not to warn any potential partner that the writer of the ad is a racist, but often it does just that trick. Even if it stacks up to more of a personal preference than outright discrimination, honestly, think about it: if only wanting to date an Asian man is important enough to mention in your 25 word or less ad, it's hard for me to imagine what could be in the other 24 words that would make a woman so compelling that I'd decide it was worth my time to try to get her to sample some white meat, as it were (or weren't). My gut reaction to such racial profiling is just as dim as Jeff's, but certainly some people really are wired up to only like certain physical types-- I can't relate since I don't seem to have a favored "type", but certainly it's common and observable enough, from weird fetishism to just plain preferences for people of a certain height. That's not as viscerally offensive to me as the three-letter racial requirement, but admittedly I couldn't articulate why. Dating is in fact even more honked up than I'd feared. I am happy to be done with it. BTW 420 unfriendly, your pic gets mine. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:04:04 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: I love people Jeff writes, > I'll summarize what I wrote offlist to someone else who asked me about > this: It's racist (in a descriptive, not judgmental sense) simply > because it presumes that whatever qualities one's looking for in a > person are detemined to a sufficient extent by race that specifying > race will make it likelier that the person you find will have those > qualities. Generally speaking -- or I should say, politically/socially speaking -- "racism" is a word that implicitly involves some kind of power dynamic. Your use of the term makes it almost indistinguishable from "preference." Perhaps "prejudice" would have been a better word, although that still seems weighted. Back to the word racism.... I feel that liberals tend to apply the word too frequently, often using it as a substitute for prejudice at best, preference at worst. On the other side of the fence, there are some less-than-liberal folks who tend to see racism in things like BET. The problem is, neither addresses a real inequality of power. For example, I like Irish red-heads, and I generally am not romantically/sexually attracted to Chinese women. This does not make me racist. Now, say, if I hired a red-headed Irish lass over a Chinese woman to be my assistant, that would be improper, but not really racist. However, if I did so because I thought that Chinese women were somehow inherently inferior, that would be racism, because I am using my position of power to support the existing structures based on the belief that another race is inferior or lesser or evil or whatever. And to counter a potential argument, I do understand that the social structures of racism have an impossible-to-measure impact on what we find "attractive" or not. But this can be said of all cultures, so there's lots of grey area within which we may find ground to debate. > I suppose the other question (again, answered in the offlist reply) > is, hey, what do you care? Well, you made a comment in a public forum. So I have the option to care or not to care. I generally get frustrated with some of the facile liberal thinking found on the Feg List, and your comment touched a nerve, for some of the reasons I've explained. Thanks, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:16:12 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: I love people Rex writes, > BTW 420 unfriendly, your pic gets mine. Black Transvestite Weasels? Wow, no wonder you lay off the weed. - --SWQ 420 friendly, must like parrots, pics 4 chicks w/ dicks only ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:21:38 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I love people On 4/25/06, The Great Quail wrote: > Rex writes, > > > BTW 420 unfriendly, your pic gets mine. > > Black Transvestite Weasels? Wow, no wonder you lay off the weed. > > --SWQ 420 friendly, must like parrots, pics 4 chicks w/ dicks only I wonder what personal ads in _Variety_ look like...slang crash! (Uh-oh - the title of the new Fall album?) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:29:06 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: I love people On 4/25/06, The Great Quail wrote: > > Rex writes, > > > BTW 420 unfriendly, your pic gets mine. > > Black Transvestite Weasels? That opens up a whole new realm of possibilities, translating online abbreviations into dating profiles: Young Male Masochist Vegan, Indian Single Transvestite Racist, Lecherous Omnivorous Lesbian, Oriental Male Gayboy, etc. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:33:39 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I love people On 4/25/06, The Great Quail wrote: > Jeff writes, > > I suppose the other question (again, answered in the offlist reply) > > is, hey, what do you care? > > Well, you made a comment in a public forum. Sorry - I meant the question as if directed to me: "Hey Jeff - what do you care?" Incidentally, I agree generally with your parsing of "racist"/"prejudiced" etc. If I'd known my comment was going to launch dissertations, I would have phrased my ideas with greater precision. I'm trying to figure out how one could have a preference for "Irish"ness (unless you mean actual Irish, as in from Ireland, not just "of Irish descent") - since at least for me, such ethnic traits are only dubiously and unreliably apparent. I mean, sure, there are some people who look extremely Irish (and may be so), but plenty of Irish who don't, and plenty of non-Irish who look Irish. Substitute French, German, Italian, Jewish, etc. for all the above. I mean, if you met a woman who looked like that Irish red-haired woman you describe, and then you found out she's actually Cornish, what, you call the whole thing off? Not to mention, being all idealistic here, don't you find that fascinating, interesting women (others: substitute as appropriate) become more attractive as you get to know them, because of that interestingness etc., whereas annoying, obnoxious, or just plain dull women, however initially attractive, are less so the more they're dull, annoying, etc.? - -- ...Jeff Norman, English-German-French-Irish-Swedish-?? The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:42:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The *Other* National Anthem Michael Wells wrote: > Ps. saw David Gilmour here week before last. Extremely disappointing, > other than a full-on 25 minute "Echoes". (MRG: Echoes!). I heard Richard Wright is singing "Arnold Layne" as part of the set? That surprised me. And I heard about that Plasticland comp yesterday. Wow...never would have thought they'd warrant a compilation on a solid label like Ryko, but I still enjoy their old Pink Dust records every now and then. Glancing at the CD's online listing, it looks like I only own *half* the tracks? Yikes. Maybe I need that comp, after all. Years ago, I thought it might be fun to post a personal which sought a woman who "laughs at the Butthole Surfers and cries at 'The Sound of Music'" and see if anything resulted. Never tried it, though. Another time around the end of college, a female friend told me my ideal match was someone "29, and tolerant." I got the "tolerant" part, but never understood her "29" requirement. Actually, "29 and tolerant" still sounds pretty good. I did meet someone 29 and *intolerant* recently, but that didn't pan out. ;) I slogged through another four minutes of "Imitation of Life" last night. I think there's still another 65 minutes to go. Oy. But then I became strangely fixated on figuring out the harmonic nuances of that old Streisand hit "Evergreen." Still am not quite over that hump. A pretty unusual song. Actually, both pretty *and* pretty unusual. I'm going to let Jeme's Eminem insult pass, because someone thinks I've been too mean on the list lately. I slept like crap...catch me now, while I'm bleary and disarmed. I hate Nia Peeples, Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #90 *******************************