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fegmaniax-digest        Sunday, April 16 2006        Volume 15 : Number 084



                               Today's Subjects:
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  reaps                          ["Stewart C. Russell" <scruss@sympatico.ca>]
  Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...  ["Stacked Crooked" <tews@driz]
  Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...   [Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>]
  Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...  [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.]
  Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...  [Benjamin Lukoff <blukoff@alv]
  Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...   [Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>]
  Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...  [Benjamin Lukoff <blukoff@alv]
  Gilmore Girls: the verdict             ["Brian Huddell" <bhuddell@cox.net>]
  Re: As usual when talk turns to The Fall...  ["Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" <]
  Back in action at last            [James Dignan <grutness@slingshot.co.nz>]
  Re: Gilmore Girls: the verdict                [Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>]
  Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...  ["Stewart C. Russell" <scruss]

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:36:53 -0400
From: "Stewart C. Russell" <scruss@sympatico.ca>
Subject: reaps

Muriel Spark, 88
(and also earlier, William Sloane Coffin Jr)

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:35:33 -0700
From: "Stacked Crooked" <tews@drizzle.com>
Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...

<Otherwise, the show's most impressive, undeniable achievement might be
that very few TV  
series in history have had so many distinctive, well-drawn characters. It's
not in the league of "The Simpsons,"  but I have a hard time coming up with
another rival, off the top of my head  
(mmm..."Hill Street Blues"?).>

i've never seen either *Gilmore Girls* or *Hill Street Blues*, but
certainly *The Michael J. Fox Hour* gives *The Simpsons* a run for its
money in this department.


<The best shows on TV are currently The Wire, Veronica Mars, Lost, and
Battlestar Galactica. And the latest seasons of The Sopranos and The Shield
are/were pretty great as well.>

the best show on teevee currently -- probably *ever* -- is *Wonder
Showzen*.  and you can take that to the motherfuckin' *bank*, daddy!


<<The last two episodes of _South Park_ have been in part about how much
Trey and Matt dislike being compared to _Family Guy,_ since FG's jokes are
too frequently non-sequiturs while SP's are mostly ingrained into the
plot.>>

<That is almost exactly what I've been saying for years, and getting
nothing but blank stares back.  Jeez, if Matt and Trey have taken down both
Scientology and FAMILY GUY in the space of less than a month, I say,
sainthoods all around.>

i only get to watch *South Park* when it comes out on DVD, so haven't seen
the episodes in question.  but it's not apparent from jeff's post that
*South Park* has been "taking down" *Family Guy* so much as taking on the
perception that the two are alike.



KEN "Who's going to pay for all this steak -- I mean, spiritually?" THE
KENSTER

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:26:16 -0700
From: Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...

Stacked Crooked wrote:
> <The best shows on TV are currently The Wire, Veronica Mars, Lost, and
> Battlestar Galactica. And the latest seasons of The Sopranos and  
> The Shield
> are/were pretty great as well.>
>
> the best show on teevee currently -- probably *ever* -- is *Wonder
> Showzen*.  and you can take that to the motherfuckin' *bank*, daddy!

I've never heard of this show, but I assume it must have a flavor of  
strained subversion and childlike mischievousness.

I saw "Capote" last night...damn good film. Yes, I liked it better  
than "Crash," though it still doesn't bother me that "Crash" won Best  
Picture.

Eb

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...

Stacked Crooked <tews@drizzle.com> wrote:
> the best show on teevee currently -- probably *ever*
> -- is *Wonder Showzen*.  and you can take that to
> the motherfuckin' *bank*, daddy!

As gloriously sick as WS is, it's too erratic and has
too many segments that end up dragging a bit. The
restriction of having to keep the kids from completely
getting all the jokes makes that inevitable though. 

> <<The last two episodes of _South Park_ have been in
> part about how much Trey and Matt dislike being 
> compared to _Family Guy,_ since FG's jokes are
> too frequently non-sequiturs while SP's are mostly
> ingrained into the plot.>>
> 
> <That is almost exactly what I've been saying for
> years, and getting nothing but blank stares back. 
> Jeez, if Matt and Trey have taken down both
> Scientology and FAMILY GUY in the space of less than
> a month, I say, sainthoods all around.>
> 
> i only get to watch *South Park* when it comes out
> on DVD, so haven't seen the episodes in question. 
> but it's not apparent from jeff's post that
> *South Park* has been "taking down" *Family Guy* so
> much as taking on the perception that the two are
> alike.

It's obvious from the episodes that Matt & Trey don't
particularly like _Family Guy,_ though they were more
interested in taking on the ideas of censorship,
cowering network executives as useful idiots, than in
bothering with _Family Guy;_ FG was just a useful
means to make their points, while they could point out
the big difference between the two shows. It should be
noted that while Cartman (and "Bart Simpson") both
hate the show, Kyle likes it for what it is.


"A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer."
    -- Mitch Hedberg
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:09:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <blukoff@alvord.com>
Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006, Eb wrote:

> I saw "Capote" last night...damn good film. Yes, I liked it better
> than "Crash," though it still doesn't bother me that "Crash" won Best
> Picture.

I really didn't like "Crash" very much at all. Talk about lack of
subtlety.

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:49:58 -0700
From: Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...

Benjamin Lukoff wrote:
>> I saw "Capote" last night...damn good film. Yes, I liked it better
>> than "Crash," though it still doesn't bother me that "Crash" won Best
>> Picture.
>
> I really didn't like "Crash" very much at all. Talk about lack of
> subtlety.

This topic has been "done" already.

So...let's get back to discussing the subtleties of South Park and  
The Family Guy!

Eb

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:03:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <blukoff@alvord.com>
Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006, Eb wrote:

> Benjamin Lukoff wrote:
> >> I saw "Capote" last night...damn good film. Yes, I liked it better
> >> than "Crash," though it still doesn't bother me that "Crash" won Best
> >> Picture.
> >
> > I really didn't like "Crash" very much at all. Talk about lack of
> > subtlety.
>
> This topic has been "done" already.

It is DEAD to us!

> So...let's get back to discussing the subtleties of South Park and
> The Family Guy!

Now *that*'s a topic that never gets old.

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:12:56 -0500
From: "Brian Huddell" <bhuddell@cox.net>
Subject: Gilmore Girls: the verdict

The kids and their mom are away for the weekend, and I have a ton of work to
do.  So naturally I decide to download the first season of Gilmore Girls so
that Fegmaniax will make sense to me again.

Before today I'd never seen even part of an episode.  Now I'm 5 episodes in
to the first season and I'm thoroughly smitten.  Smote.  The show did smite
me.  I like it a lot.

I don't remember in whose camp that puts me, but I can assure whoever it is
that we probably disagree on all the important stuff, so no worries.

+brian

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:21:20 -0700
From: "Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to The Fall...

> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006, Eb wrote:
> I saw "Capote" last night...damn good film. Yes, I liked it better
> than "Crash," though it still doesn't bother me that "Crash" won Best
> Picture.

Movies, yay.

Has anyone see "Cache"?  That's my favourite movie that's been out as
of late.  I always thought that first scene in "Lost Highway" (where
the couple receiving videotapes of their house) had a lot of
potential.

And it's almost as French as David Lynch.

"Thank You for Smoking" was very entertaining.  I was not expecting
much and was pleasantly surprised.  I also saw "Friends with Money" -
IMO, Ms. Holofcener is juggling too many characters with this one; I
liked the simplicity of her earlier movies.  In this movie, no one
really gets along, or if they do, it's in a sort of oblivious manner. 
Between "Friends with Money" and "Crash", L.A. is looking kind of
combative.

On DVD, it's been Antonioni.  I finally noticed that "Blow-up" had
been released on DVD.  Hey, I believe the audio commentator even used
the word "diagetic".  I watched the trilogy too.  It's the first time
I saw "L'Eclisse".  I very much like the lack of non-diagetic noise in
Antonioni's work (before this thread, that thought would have taken me
three sentences, or one very long one.)  It's so out of the ordinary
that his movies sometimes seem silent.

xo
Lauren


- --
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"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."
                                                                      
                   - The Buddha

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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:26:06 +1200
From: James Dignan <grutness@slingshot.co.nz>
Subject: Back in action at last

Sorry to break into such an in-depth discussion of a TV show I've 
never heard of, but I'm buzzing after - a couple of nights ago - 
performing music before a live audience for the first time in two 
years. Admittedly it was only a couple of songs, but it was a 
reasonably high-powered audience and by the general comments 
afterwards mine was one of the best performances of the night.

The event was a local seminar run by APRA (the NZ equivalent of 
ASCAP), and because of that th audience was almost entirely made up 
of songwriters and musicians. It was a seminar followed by an open 
mic stage, with a dozen acts each performing two songs. It'll give 
some idea of the calibre that among the other people performing were 
Martin Phillipps and Robert Scott (The Clean/The Bats). I made a not 
so subtle hint that I was looking to get back into music by 
performing as a support act, and one well known local musician came 
up to me afterwards and said "hint noted". So fingers crossed...

Whee!

James
- -- 
    James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand    <http://tinyurl.com/c2q9>
    -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-
    =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-.
    -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=-
    .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:27:12 -0700
From: Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Gilmore Girls: the verdict

Brian Huddell wrote:
> I don't remember in whose camp that puts me, but I can assure  
> whoever it is
> that we probably disagree on all the important stuff, so no worries.

"I'm your Uncle Ebbie, and I welcome you to Ebbie's Holiday CAMP...."

Eb


PS  See "L'Avventura," Lauren.

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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:12:26 -0400
From: "Stewart C. Russell" <scruss@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows...

Benjamin Lukoff wrote:
> 
>>So...let's get back to discussing the subtleties of South Park and
>>The Family Guy!
> Now *that*'s a topic that never gets old.

Can I just say that I caught a couple of minutes of Family Guy last 
night. Not merely was the humour limited to none, it was really badly drawn.

But Absolutely might be coming out on DVD, so I will be happy 
(eventually). It's only taken 16 years ...

  Stewart

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