From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #82 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 13 2006 Volume 15 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... [2fs ] Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] RE: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... ["Patrick Oltraver" ] Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... [2fs ] Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... ["Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > On 4/13/06, matt sewell wrote: > > > > Well, I guess he's hardly going to say "The Fall very kindly booked my > > band as support the other day - I got to meet them in person: what a bunch > > of cunts"! > > > > Spellchecker on me hotmail? I've tried to find what does it, but must > > conclude it's *your* mail that's doing it! > > > > Could be, but for some reason it's only doing it to to your posts. Odd. So > guess which word in the above post came out bigger than the rest! Well, some girls are bigger than others. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:11:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > > On 4/13/06, 2fs wrote: > > And of course there's Sonic Youth's EP of Fall covers... > > > > There is? How'd I miss that? Could I be directed to it? Someone told me they were available at the SY website - but I couldn't find them. There does look to be some innaresting stuff though : > > There's the > > entire career of Girls Against Boys > > > > I don't know GVSB's too well, and my friends who liked them tended to view > my Fall fandom as kind of quaint, I think (as in, they might've thought The > Fall was cool in concept but didn't have any of their records). I'm sorta joking. At least for the first four-five albums, they were pretty damned fine. They didn't so much sound *like* the Fall as mix up similar ingredients: you've got a guy talk-singing over riff-based music. Sometimes, though, they really did sound like The Mighty - I forget which track cuz I'm at work, but one in prtclr... ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:05:35 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, 2fs wrote: > And of course there's Sonic Youth's EP of Fall covers... There is? How'd I miss that? Could I be directed to it? > There's the > entire career of Girls Against Boys I don't know GVSB's too well, and my friends who liked them tended to view my Fall fandom as kind of quaint, I think (as in, they might've thought The Fall was cool in concept but didn't have any of their records). Then again, most of them also liked Sonic Youth and Pavement, speaking of whom: > (oops - actually, some would say > that of Pavement). In strong evidence on the first LP but not much thereafter (their cover of "The Classical" was the only Fall cover I could think of, and it's a complete lyrical rewrite just like their version of REM's "Camera"). I also used to think Pavement owed more to the Fall until I heard a lot more stuff by the Clean... that's the real template right there, as I hear it. > The Fall mailing list (or one of them) several years back put together > a cassette of listies' bands covering Fall songs. There were a handful > of pretty good ones on there, in fact. Can't remember the title of the song from "Extricate", but the one that goes "These are the greatest days... of our life"... I'd like to hear Saint Etienne give that one a go. Wouldn't mind hearing a more straightahead powerpop band do "Hilary" from the same record, now that I think about it. What Fall song should we lobby Robyn to do? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:19:20 +0100 (BST) From: Tulloch Subject: Re: Now listening to......The Serpent Power/Tina & David Meltzer - Poet Song I've always been curious to hear this, as I've read glowing reports as to its merits, so maybe now is the time to track it down... Tulloch "Bachman, Michael" wrote: Cool 60's stuff! I know we talked about them last year, but it was very hard to get last year and my order got cancelled. Collectors Choice now has it available. Michael B. The Purple Bottle - "Howling without symmetry" http://thepurplebottle.blogspot.com/ - --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:35:26 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: >> And of course there's Sonic Youth's EP of Fall covers... > > There is? How'd I miss that? Could I be directed to it? http://saucerlike.com/mp3/peel88/ I think I downloaded all of them once, but only really liked "Rouche Rumble." And if the Sonics were going to pay tribute to *the Fall*, why would they cover a cover? Oh well. Did everyone hear that Daydream Nation is now enshrined with the Library of Congress? Love it. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:58:16 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Eb wrote: > > > Did everyone hear that Daydream Nation is now enshrined with the > Library of Congress? Love it. Just heard that and do love it. The more perplexing SY news is that Kim and Thurston are to appear on the much-beloved "GILMORE GIRLS", which makes me think that it can't be too long before everyone finally breaks down and explains to me why they think it's so funny to pretend to like that twee pile of thunderous mediocrity, because whatever the joke is, it's old, people. I mean, you didn't see Guided By Voices on ALLY McBEAL and it wouldn't've been that funny if you had. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > The more perplexing SY news is that Kim and Thurston are to appear > on the > much-beloved "GILMORE GIRLS", which makes me think that it can't be > too long > before everyone finally breaks down and explains to me why they > think it's > so funny to pretend to like that twee pile of thunderous > mediocrity, because > whatever the joke is, it's old, people. I mean, you didn't see > Guided By > Voices on ALLY McBEAL and it wouldn't've been that funny if you had. It's always lame to launch a quarrel about "tastes," based on the arrogant premise that the other side doesn't "really" like what they like. But, anyway, this list has long established that it's not "cool" to like anything from film/TV unless it's sci-fi/fantasy, animated or based on comic books. Eb PS The last two films I saw: "Fahrenheit 9/11" (B) and "Tupac: Resurrection" (B+). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:38:59 -0700 From: "Patrick Oltraver" Subject: RE: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Let me fan the flames a bit and metion Colin Hay's appearances on 'Scrubs', OK? - -P - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eb Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:31 PM To: fgz Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > The more perplexing SY news is that Kim and Thurston are to appear on > the much-beloved "GILMORE GIRLS", which makes me think that it can't > be too long before everyone finally breaks down and explains to me why > they think it's so funny to pretend to like that twee pile of > thunderous mediocrity, because whatever the joke is, it's old, people. > I mean, you didn't see Guided By Voices on ALLY McBEAL and it > wouldn't've been that funny if you had. It's always lame to launch a quarrel about "tastes," based on the arrogant premise that the other side doesn't "really" like what they like. But, anyway, this list has long established that it's not "cool" to like anything from film/TV unless it's sci-fi/fantasy, animated or based on comic books. Eb PS The last two films I saw: "Fahrenheit 9/11" (B) and "Tupac: Resurrection" (B+). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:58:14 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > The more perplexing SY news is that Kim and Thurston are to appear on the > much-beloved "GILMORE GIRLS", which makes me think that it can't be too long > before everyone finally breaks down and explains to me why they think it's > so funny to pretend to like that twee pile of thunderous mediocrity, because > whatever the joke is, it's old, people. What's really funny here is that it's perfectly possible to read "they think it's so funny to pretend to like that twee pile of thunderous mediocrity, because whatever the joke is, it's old, people" as referring to Sonic Youth. Me, I like both Gilmore Girls and Sonic Youth - so go figure. This week's episode featured "Angst in My Pants" by Sparks - you know, that song is such a mainstay of sitcom soundtracks... But that's because - little suspected by Eb - Gilmore Girls is both animated and sci-fi. It's just very subtle in that way. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:16:16 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Eb wrote: > > > It's always lame to launch a quarrel about "tastes," based on the > arrogant premise that the other side doesn't "really" like what they > like. Well, I'm always lame, so what's new. But, anyway, this list has long established that it's not "cool" to > like anything from film/TV unless it's sci-fi/fantasy, animated or > based on comic books. This one isn't about what's cool: I've actually seen this show and am perplexed over what's to like (I found it alternately dull, off-putting, and aesthetically insipid). I know a lot of hipsters watched stuff like "90210" back in the day, but I presume that was for camp value, and I didn't see much of that in GG, so I'm still scratchin' my head on this one. I didn't expect it to be my cup of tea, but I expected it to be better than it was. Similarly I wouldn't expect to enjoy "Desperate Housewives" but assume I would find it to be competently assembled and not hurt my eyeballs. I've seen enough of some of the other shows popular here-- "Arrested Development", "Scrubs", or "The Office", for example-- to know that they're good or have things to recommend them, even if they don't quite live up to the graphic novels on which they're based. If I watched TV, I'd watch those shows (and South Park, The Daily Show, etc.) as opposed to "Stargate Atlantis" or whatever. Does "24" count as SF/fantasy/comic book? That's the only show recently discussed onlist for which I've ever expressed any affinity. "Lost" sound kind of interesting, but maybe that's SF... I dunno. Fuck, I'd still watch "ER", since Maura Tierney's still on it. And I think I've described myself as "geeky" far more often than I've claimed to be cool, if I've ever done the latter (although admittedly I haven't bought a comic book since 1985 or so). - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:25:41 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, 2fs wrote: > > > What's really funny here is that it's perfectly possible to read "they > think it's so funny to pretend to like that twee pile of thunderous > mediocrity, because whatever the joke is, it's old, people" as > referring to Sonic Youth. Wow. You're right, in a certain sense (although I think the time when people pretended to like Sonic Youth for indie cred ended a little while ago, which is why this appearance seems odd to me). Me, I like both Gilmore Girls and Sonic Youth - so go figure. Apparently a fair amount of people must agree! Just so I'm up to speed, is the mom supposed to be a former indie-kewl girl, or is the daughter supposed to be... like... a current indie-kewl girl with an appreciation of the old-school stuff? Just trying to guess how this appearance makes sense in context. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Eb wrote: > But, anyway, this list has long established that it's not "cool" to > like anything from film/TV unless it's sci-fi/fantasy, animated or > based on comic books. Like Arrested Development, for instance? If you grepped the archives for the past few years, I'm sure you'd find AD discussed more often than any other TV show, Buffy included. - --"Chris" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:23:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Christopher Gross wrote: >> But, anyway, this list has long established that it's not "cool" to >> like anything from film/TV unless it's sci-fi/fantasy, animated or >> based on comic books. > > Like Arrested Development, for instance? If you grepped the > archives for > the past few years, I'm sure you'd find AD discussed more often > than any > other TV show, Buffy included. "Buffy" hasn't been discussed much in the past few years? Gee, I wonder why? For how many years did you want us to carry the torch with you, Chris? I really wouldn't have a guess what show was discussed most in the past few years, myself...especially since most "discussions" are actually just 1-3 posts long. We can probably rule out "Reba," however. Rex: > This one isn't about what's cool: I've actually seen this show and am > perplexed over what's to like (I found it alternately dull, off- > putting, and > aesthetically insipid). Well, it shouldn't be too hard to perceive that other people might enjoy the energetic pace, the wit of the dialogue, the actors' charisma and all the pop-culture allusions. Otherwise, the show's most impressive, undeniable achievement might be that very few TV series in history have had so many distinctive, well-drawn characters. It's not in the league of "The Simpsons," but I have a hard time coming up with another rival, off the top of my head (mmm..."Hill Street Blues"?). Seems like one could easily rattle off a list of 20-25, even while skipping some of the thinner creations like...oh...Rory's father, Dean, Doyle and Babette. Characters like Taylor and Mrs. Kim can be total knockouts every time they make an entrance, even though they might only appear every third, fourth, fifth episode. That sort of cast depth is pretty rare. I think the show permanently lost some magic when Rory left home -- and I personally miss that the arcane musical references have been so drastically reduced -- but I still look forward to every episode. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:44:09 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Eb wrote: > Christopher Gross wrote: > > "Buffy" hasn't been discussed much in the past few years? Gee, I > wonder why? > > For how many years did you want us to carry the torch with you, Chris? etc. You know, Eb, you make some good points about GG - but the phrasing above is typical of why people get pissed off at you. It's possible to disagree with people w/o pissing on them, you know? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:55:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Eb wrote: > Christopher Gross wrote: > >> But, anyway, this list has long established that it's not "cool" to > >> like anything from film/TV unless it's sci-fi/fantasy, animated or > >> based on comic books. > > > > Like Arrested Development, for instance? If you grepped the > > archives for > > the past few years, I'm sure you'd find AD discussed more often > > than any > > other TV show, Buffy included. > > "Buffy" hasn't been discussed much in the past few years? Gee, I > wonder why? > > For how many years did you want us to carry the torch with you, Chris? Sigh. Apparently my poor writing skills kept you from picking up my point, which is that the most-discussed TV show on this list, Arrested Development, is neither fantasy/SF nor animated. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:42:24 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > > > Me, I like both Gilmore Girls and Sonic Youth - so go figure. > > Apparently a fair amount of people must agree! Just so I'm up to speed, is > the mom supposed to be a former indie-kewl girl, or is the daughter supposed > to be... like... a current indie-kewl girl with an appreciation of the > old-school stuff? Just trying to guess how this appearance makes sense in > context. Neither - one reason I like the show. Not everybody is some sort of archetype. Actually the Sparks track was just soundtrack - not present in the scene itself. (There's a term for this - distinguishing between sounds the characters can hear, and sounds we can hear as movie/tv viewers - but I'm not a film geek so I can't remember it.) So in this case it's just the creators of the show saying, hey, that Sparks song would work well here. Which is not exactly a marketing-driven decision (except in the vaguest "it's hip because it's obscure so it's popular among the hip" = "not-popular=popular" paradoxicality-of-hip sense). Anyway: the younger one (Rory, short for Lorelai) does have pretty decent musical taste, though it's painted as being not quite as broad as that of her friend Lane (the Korean girl). I'm pretty sure the older one (the mom, also named Lorelai: she named her daughter after herself - because why not, men do it all the time) is on record as being a fan of the Ramones, Metallica, the B-52s, and the Bangles, and not completely out of the loop re more recent stuff - so, for a woman in her late 30s, reasonably hip. But those aren't defining character traits - they're details, as they'd be with (most) actual people. Obviously, YMMV - but I think the dialogue is usually very witty (wittier than people are in real life - a concept to which the show bears a rather curious resemblance: it's in that sort of rarefied, screwball-comedy world in which everyone has the same problems as actual people, but more so, and they're much funnier, and more bizarre situations are matter-of-factly accepted, etc.). Despite that, it's primariliy character-driven (which most the best shows are), which also means that much of fans' appreciation for any given episode is diminished for new or infrequent viewers, who lack the context those regular viewers have had established for them. To me the show also manages to be emotionally engaging without (usually) being maudlin, to be female-focused without being (no other way to say it) chick-flick-y, and seeming way less compelled to make every character and situation the received stereotype it tends to be on most TV shows (something that drives me bats whenever I see more than five or six minutes of most shows and ads). Well anyway, that's my take. I know other people that I'd guess would like it also just don't get it (if Miles is still reading this, he might chime in about now) - but hey. It's all part of life's rich pageant. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:17:39 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Christopher Gross wrote: > Sigh. Apparently my poor writing skills kept you from picking up my > point, which is that the most-discussed TV show on this list, Arrested > Development, is neither fantasy/SF nor animated. And my answer was that I was skeptical of that claim. And anyway, AD posts almost deserve mere half-credit, since the "discussions" are most likely not about the show's content, but about the show's ability/inability to stay on the air. Jeff: >There's a term for this - distinguishing between >sounds the characters can hear, and sounds we can hear as movie/tv >viewers - but I'm not a film geek so I can't remember it. Diagetic vs. non-diagetic sound. BTW, let's not forget that Gilmore Girls has prominently showcased Claudine Longet *twice*, which alone should be enough to justify the show's continuation. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:33:35 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, 2fs wrote: > > > Neither - one reason I like the show. Not everybody is some sort of > archetype. Actually the Sparks track was just soundtrack - not present > in the scene itself. (There's a term for this - distinguishing between > sounds the characters can hear, and sounds we can hear as movie/tv > viewers - but I'm not a film geek so I can't remember it.) I am so I can. "Source music" is music that allegedly exists within the contect of the film (you and/or the characters can see the "source" of the music or at least readily understand what it is). Generally stuff that only the viewers can hear is "score", "incidental music", or, in some cases, "excruciating Aerosmith songs". - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:56:43 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: >> Neither - one reason I like the show. Not everybody is some sort of >> archetype. Actually the Sparks track was just soundtrack - not >> present >> in the scene itself. (There's a term for this - distinguishing >> between >> sounds the characters can hear, and sounds we can hear as movie/tv >> viewers - but I'm not a film geek so I can't remember it.) > > I am so I can. Not quite geeky enough, apparently. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:02:12 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Eb wrote: > > > Well, it shouldn't be too hard to perceive that other people might > enjoy the energetic pace, the wit of the dialogue, the actors' > charisma and all the pop-culture allusions. It was in fact very hard to perceive any of that! Admittedly I might've seen an "off" episode-- I think it was a season finale or some other "very special episode" where any show's usual feel might get sacrificed in favor of a plot twist or dramatic development-- and a lot of what you're referring to might only be evident cumulatively (character development, evolving storylines). But it was certainly torpid, uninvolving to the uninitiated, middling at best in the acting department (again, to someone unfamiliar with the character arcs and development), and I don't recall laughing once (and I'm not the least bit anti-sitcom). What really surprised me, and I mentioned this before, is how indifferently photographed it was. Some sitcoms these days-- "Scrubs", "AD", lots of the post-"Malcolm in the Middle" one-camera shows-- are shot at least as well as well as features, so it was odd to see a drama-- an acclaimed and popular one at that-- shot like a middling episode of "Cheers". Nothing wrong with those kinds of setups, just... odd. I felt like I should be hearing a laugh track. (I may not watch much TV, but I still work in the industry...) And admittedly, as with BUFFY, I'm just not that interested in shows that center around High School kids. Movies, maybe... you're in and out in two hours. But week after week of High School just sounds like... well, like High School (wouldn't go if I didn't have to). And I make no claims to consistent taste. I love SOUTH PARK and detest FAMILY GUY, so go figure. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:10:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... > What really surprised me, and I mentioned this before, is how > indifferently > photographed it was. Good grief. Heaven forbid that a show doesn't fall into the Scrubs/ Ally McBeal gimmick-zoom camp or the ridiculous stylized world of most police shows. > And admittedly, as with BUFFY, I'm just not that interested in > shows that > center around High School kids. Movies, maybe... you're in and out > in two > hours. But week after week of High School just sounds like... > well, like > High School (wouldn't go if I didn't have to). And I make no > claims to > consistent taste. I love SOUTH PARK and detest FAMILY GUY, so go > figure. Gilmore Girls wasn't EVER centered around "High School kids," and nowadays the cast contains no high-school kids at all. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:16:15 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Eb wrote: > > Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > >> Neither - one reason I like the show. Not everybody is some sort of > >> archetype. Actually the Sparks track was just soundtrack - not > >> present > >> in the scene itself. (There's a term for this - distinguishing > >> between > >> sounds the characters can hear, and sounds we can hear as movie/tv > >> viewers - but I'm not a film geek so I can't remember it.) > > > > I am so I can. > > Not quite geeky enough, apparently. Geeky enough to know how to spell "diegetic" correctly, and I'm not even a big-league rock crictic. Geez, can't win either way. My answer was correct from a production standpoint.... nobody on the set of GILMORE GIRLS, nor anyone involved in the selection, licensing, or sound editing that got that Sparks track or Sonic Youth on the show, uttered the word "diegetic", I can tell you that. Thurston Moore might say it about his appearance, but just to be all artsy and shit. I get paid to know this stuff. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:25:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: >> Not quite geeky enough, apparently. > > Geeky enough to know how to spell "diegetic" correctly, and I'm not > even a > big-league rock crictic. I out-thought myself on that one. Remembered "diegetic," and then decided that I had remembered wrong. Oh well. > My answer was correct from a production > standpoint.... nobody on the set of GILMORE GIRLS, nor anyone > involved in > the selection, licensing, or sound editing that got that Sparks > track or > Sonic Youth on the show, uttered the word "diegetic", I can tell > you that. Uh...does this have a thing to do with the show being good or not? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:52:34 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Eb wrote: > > > > My answer was correct from a production > > standpoint.... nobody on the set of GILMORE GIRLS, nor anyone > > involved in > > the selection, licensing, or sound editing that got that Sparks > > track or > > Sonic Youth on the show, uttered the word "diegetic", I can tell > > you that. > > Uh...does this have a thing to do with the show being good or not? No, but then neither did the comment I was responding to. Conversations go off on tangents. This one was about film sound jargon, and wasn't specific to GG at all (it was just the example at hand). - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:56:31 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, Eb wrote: > > > What really surprised me, and I mentioned this before, is how > > indifferently > > photographed it was. > > Good grief. Heaven forbid that a show doesn't fall into the Scrubs/ > Ally McBeal gimmick-zoom camp or the ridiculous stylized world of > most police shows. Why make this out to be some kind heightened statement of aesthetic fascism on my part? Two sentences later I said: > Nothing wrong with those kinds of setups, just... odd. I certainly never said it should look like any of those other shows. But the photography I saw was definitely not anything inventive or involving, and suprisingly stagey. God knows I never said anything in praise of ALLY MCBEAL. > Gilmore Girls wasn't EVER centered around "High School kids," Erm, how old was the daughter supposed to be when the show started, and is she not one of the two title characters? The promotion of the show early on certainly made it sound like it was at least half a high school drama, hence I wasn't interested in Season 1, and once again I made it very clear that that's just my personal tastes, and not something intrinsically wrong with this show. I'm also not into wrestling and hence don't watch WWE Smackdowns, although I am certain that they are the very best wrestling programs that there are. Do I need to have watched the whole first season of GG to make the casual assessment that it's probably not my bag? Selective reading makes for easier ranting, I guess. Plenty of evidence here that I'm just talkin' opinion and personal taste. - -Rx ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #82 *******************************