From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #81 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 13 2006 Volume 15 : Number 081 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: GG Horror! [Eb ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] european tour dates [wojizzle forizzle ] Now listening to......The Serpent Power/Tina & David Meltzer - Poet Song ["Bachman, Michael" ] "Jungle Justice" ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: more Buffy the V. Slayer news / JAGmaniax! [James Dignan Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/11/06, 2fs wrote: > > > I believe there was some spelling variances as well - not that even I > am fanatic enough to have memorized them all or anything. Plus, of > course, the track listing on _Fall Heads Roll_ (US version) is in the > wrong order... And I think there's a mistake with the photos of the band members, too. A very wise person once said (no idea who, though) something to the > effect of "You either need only one Fall record, or you need every > last one of them." [...] And there are a zillino > live recordings of dubious quality/legitimacy which I also do not > have. I am cast into if not outer at least sort of in the foyer with the door hanging open darkness. For sure the Fall section of my CD library is one of the largest but also for sure there are millinos and zillinos of records I don't have. I don't think I have a single actual live record (for these purposes let's pretend it isn't the Fall and what that means is "the whole thing was recorded at a concert"), and the only "actual" compilations I have are the Beggars A-sides and B-sides comps (although I badly want that '90's comp, "World Bewitched" or whatever). In fact the only things I have other than most but hardly all of the "official albums" (in one iteration or another) is a box of three of those dicey "alternate take or... something" compilations from the early '90's-- "Fiend with a Violin", "Oswald Defence Lawyer", and one other one, which I picked up really cheap. They are totally befuddling and plenty deep enough into the demimonde of semi-legit Fall releases for me, for now. Question: I don't know of many cover versions of Fall songs (can only think of one by Pavement). Maybe for some obvious reasons. But there should be more. What would be some ideal Fall songs to cover... say, a few that one could perform without necessarily resorting to a vocal imitation of MES? - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:37:17 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/12/06, matt sewell wrote: > > My mate James and his avant-jazz (is that *really* a genre?) band Nought > have supported The Fall on a number of occasions and apparently Mark E is > really quite nice in real life. Very scary, but interesting...! > That's the most surprising thing I'm gonna hear all day. Okay, Matt, I figured it out... you have some kind of spell-check going on that increases the font size of every word it doesn't like. If it hadn't been for Mark E Smith I never would have noticed the pattern, as none of these words offend my own sensibilities. In my copy of you last post, the words enduction, kurious, oranj, and avant all appear in a noticeable larger font than the surrounding words. Mystery solved, sort of! - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:37:17 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/12/06, matt sewell wrote: > > My mate James and his avant-jazz (is that *really* a genre?) band Nought > have supported The Fall on a number of occasions and apparently Mark E is > really quite nice in real life. Very scary, but interesting...! > That's the most surprising thing I'm gonna hear all day. Okay, Matt, I figured it out... you have some kind of spell-check going on that increases the font size of every word it doesn't like. If it hadn't been for Mark E Smith I never would have noticed the pattern, as none of these words offend my own sensibilities. In my copy of you last post, the words enduction, kurious, oranj, and avant all appear in a noticeable larger font than the surrounding words. Mystery solved, sort of! - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:24:38 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: GG Horror! Okay, here is what today's Ask Ausiello says: Question: I just read that Amy Sherman-Palladino and her husband, Daniel, are not returning for next season's Gilmore Girls. Please tell me it's not true. My heart is breaking. She had a plan!  Megan Ausiello: Relax. Breathe. Read. No decision has been made either way. As I understand it, both sides  Team Palladino and Warner Bros.  are still trying to hash out a deal that would bring them back next fall for a seventh season. But I'd be lying if I told you there weren't some really scary moments yesterday. The situation is extremely fluid, but rest assured the moment I have something definitive to report  no matter what the hour  I will post an update on The Ausiello Report. I am on this story like Emily on the rocks. Hmmm. Sumi On 4/12/06, Sumiko Keay wrote: > Nooo!!! That's just terrible! > > Sumi > > On 4/12/06, Eb wrote: > > http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ausiello/AusielloReport/ > > > > My fellow Gilmore Girls fans. [Sigh] My poor, unfortunate fellow > > Gilmore Girls fans. If you thought rumors of a Lorelai-Christopher > > hookup in the season finale were as bad as it could get, you've got > > another think comin'  and this one's a real heartbreaker. Series > > creator Amy Sherman-Palladino has opted not to renew her contract and > > will be leaving at the end of the season  and she's taking husband > > Dan with her. I wish I were joking. The news was delivered to me late > > yesterday, and I'm still in denial. The most fantabulous dramedy in > > aeons, if not ever, is headed into what is likely to be its final > > season  and its first season on a brand-new network  without its > > mama or her right-hand man. [Sigh] Well, you can bet that when I chat > > with AS-P herself in a few minutes, I'll get to the bottom of this. > > And once I know anything, so will you. In the meantime, feel free to > > panic. I know I am. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:01:00 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: GG Horror! OK, so now the guy has apparently retracted this. Hrm. http://www.michaelausiello.com/2005/2006/04/12/its-not-true/ Eb > Nooo!!! That's just terrible! > > Sumi > > On 4/12/06, Eb wrote: >> http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ausiello/AusielloReport/ >> >> My fellow Gilmore Girls fans. [Sigh] My poor, unfortunate fellow >> Gilmore Girls fans. If you thought rumors of a Lorelai-Christopher >> hookup in the season finale were as bad as it could get, you've got >> another think comin'  and this one's a real heartbreaker. Series >> creator Amy Sherman-Palladino has opted not to renew her contract and >> will be leaving at the end of the season  and she's taking husband >> Dan with her. I wish I were joking. The news was delivered to me late >> yesterday, and I'm still in denial. The most fantabulous dramedy in >> aeons, if not ever, is headed into what is likely to be its final >> season  and its first season on a brand-new network  without its >> mama or her right-hand man. [Sigh] Well, you can bet that when I chat >> with AS-P herself in a few minutes, I'll get to the bottom of this. >> And once I know anything, so will you. In the meantime, feel free to >> panic. I know I am. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap June Pointer Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:41:59 -0400 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: european tour dates robynhitchcock.com has new tour dates for robyn and the minus 3 : Robyn Hitchcock and the Minus 3 | European Tour June 22 Hyde Park Wireless Festival London 23 TBA 24 Cannon Hill Park 'Open Air MAC Theatre' Birmingham 25 Harewood House Wireless Festival Leeds July 4 Loppen Copenhagen 5 Tredgarn Accelerator Festival Goteborg 6 Rockerfeller Oslo 7 Peace & Love Festival Accelerator Stage Borlange, Sweden 9 Oxfordshire Folk Festival Cornbury woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:45:23 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: Now listening to......The Serpent Power/Tina & David Meltzer - Poet Song Cool 60's stuff! I know we talked about them last year, but it was very hard to get last year and my order got cancelled. Collectors Choice now has it available. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:50:35 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I'll be your goddam mirror On 4/12/06, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, 2fs wrote: > > > Oh, and I suppose I should say something about the show's use of > > torture, since everyone else has. It's pretty fucked up...but the > > situations that "justify" it are so preposterously and conveniently > > arranged that it's hard for anyone who thinks for half a second to > > take it seriously as any sort of justification for torture in the real > > world. > > Except that preposterously contrived hypothetical situations ARE used as > justification for torture in the real world. I think the argument is just > that 24 gives more weight to myths about 'ticking time bombs' and > whatever. I suppose I could say that when people are determined to believe and justify what they want to be true, they'll grasp at anything - including absurdly contrived hypotheticals, and TV shows making use of the same - to evidence those beliefs...and therefore it doesn't much matter what _24_ does, since nothing it could do would change those people's minds. The problem with that notion, though, is that what must go on in a nominal democracy is (as Chomsky says) manufacturing consent; that is, the people must think they're agreeing with whatever's going on - and so the government (even those whose minds are made up, and who will grasp at the nearest straw-like pseudo-justification) actually is limited by the people, in that there's a threshold of outrage beyond which it cannot go. (The govt. may have approached or passed that threshold w/Sensenbrenner's obnoxious anti-immigrant legislation criminalizing giving food to a starving illegal immigrant...) And that means that cultural phenomena like _24_ which stretch and stress the bounds of the acceptable in the public imagination do have potential real-world effects - and not good ones. As I said, on balance the show's politics are very iffy. I was only noting that they're not simplistically fascistic. > > [Haven't seen it at all myself since the first season.] > > Re: dropping $60 on the Fall box set. I did that, but I'm quailing at the > $100 Wire reissue box. I got the albums for $10 at the local record store > and will just have to live without the live recordings and "redesigned > mini-LP sleeve" packaging. While Wire live is a powerful live, recorded live Wire is less so, usually. If I didn't already own most of what's on the box, I might consider it...but I don't think a handful of live recordings are gonna be worth $100 to me, even though I'm a fairly major Wire fan (i.e., I've bought some of the nearly unlistenable Gilbert/Lewis avant-gardey stuff...). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: more Buffy the V. Slayer news "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Christopher Gross wrote: > > I've actually heard people saying "I hope we have > > real-life Jack Bauers defending us." > You mean liberal Canadian actors pretending to be > what they are not? Doesn't an actor pretty much by definition pretend to be something he/she isn't? That is what the job entails, after all. I've never watched enought _24_ to have much of an opinion of the show really. Seems to be really well done for what it is, but when push comes to shove, I just don't care. Same as _The Sopranos,_ _Buffy,_ or _Gilmore Girls_ really; I can see why the people who like/love them do, but none of them make me really want to watch them. "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:57:24 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: "Jungle Justice" . you think marcos hain't looking over his shoulder? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:59:24 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: more Buffy the V. Slayer news / JAGmaniax! >There certainly is a red/blue divide in the country: it's more >urban/rural & suburban or education-based* than state-based, but it's >certainly real. One could argue it's merely the latest manifestation >of a political split-personality the US has always displayed, one >that's manifested itself variously throughout history. But I'm not a >historian - I know we have a few of those here... Well this sort of thing is kinda informative on that: James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:26:57 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: RE: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... Well, I guess he's hardly going to say "The Fall very kindly booked my band as support the other day - I got to meet them in person: what a bunch of cunts"! Spellchecker on me hotmail? I've tried to find what does it, but must conclude it's *your* mail that's doing it! Cheers Matt apparently Mark E is really quite nice in real life. Very scary, but interesting...! That's the most surprising thing I'm gonna hear all day. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:04:44 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/12/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > Question: I don't know of many cover versions of Fall songs (can only think > of one by Pavement). Maybe for some obvious reasons. But there should be > more. What would be some ideal Fall songs to cover... say, a few that one > could perform without necessarily resorting to a vocal imitation of MES? Here are two: - - assuming they're still up. I especially like the Dymaxion one. And of course there's Sonic Youth's EP of Fall covers... There's the entire career of Girls Against Boys (oops - actually, some would say that of Pavement). The Fall mailing list (or one of them) several years back put together a cassette of listies' bands covering Fall songs. There were a handful of pretty good ones on there, in fact. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:48:23 -0700 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Re: As usual when talk turns to TV shows... On 4/13/06, matt sewell wrote: > > Well, I guess he's hardly going to say "The Fall very kindly booked my > band as support the other day - I got to meet them in person: what a bunch > of cunts"! > > Spellchecker on me hotmail? I've tried to find what does it, but must > conclude it's *your* mail that's doing it! > Could be, but for some reason it's only doing it to to your posts. Odd. So guess which word in the above post came out bigger than the rest! - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #81 *******************************