From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #69 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 27 2006 Volume 15 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- reap confirmation? [Eb ] Sally in the dark [James Dignan ] interesting concept [2fs ] Re: Sally in the dark ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Sally in the dark [Jeff Dwarf ] robyn/minus 3 at wireless [wojizzle forizzle ] reap [wojizzle forizzle ] Re: reap confirmation? ["Sumiko Keay" ] Reap [Sebastian Hagedorn ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Reap ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Reap [FSThomas ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: reap ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Sally in the dark [Aaron Mandel ] Re: reap ["Spotted Eagle Ray" ] Re: Reap ["Brian Nupp" ] does Kansan have a new obsession? [2fs ] Re: GAH! I have the EXACT SAME PROBLEM! [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Phone Conversation I just had with a telemarketer ["Hurricane Jesus" Subject: reap confirmation? I'm hearing that Nikki Sudden Suddenly died? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:59:01 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Sally in the dark >Every time I hear it, my so-called brain starts to sing: >"Can't start a fire... > >Not to mention my problems with "The Ash Grove" and "Sweet Betsy From Pike". > >Does anyone else have these difficulties? definitely with Sally. Not so with the Ash Grove though. I actually have kept a list for a while now called "Plagiarism that we know and love" which lists songs that are just *too damn close* to, um, the originals, shall we say. It contains some classic songs that always force me to shake older tracks out of my head. Among them are the following: Carmelita (Warren Zevon - cf. Desolation Row by Bawb) Wonderland (XTC - cf. Quiet Storm by Smokey Robinson) Holidays in the sun (Sex Pistols - cf. In the city by the Jam ) Submission (Sex Pistons, cf. All Day and All of the Night by The Kinks) Riding on the rocket (Shonen Knife, cf. Boris the Spider by The 'ooo) Hope (REM - cf. Suzanne by Leonard Cohen) The gunner's dream (Pink Floyd - cf. isolation by John Lennon) Orgasm (Porno for Pyros - cf. Ferry cross the Mersey by Gerry & the Pacemakers) Come as you are (Nirvana - cf. Eighties by A Killing Joke) Rock Is Dead (Marilyn Manson - cf. Jean Genie by David Bowie) Mystery tran (Magick Heads, cf. Tarillup Bridge by The triffids) I want everything (Luna - cf. Queen Jane Approximately by Bawb) Walking on Air (King Crimson - cf. Sun King - Das Bootles) A Gospel Song (Bob Geldof - cf. Solid Ground by Van the Man) Eureka Signs (Guided by Voices - cf. Bargain by The 'ooo) Takin Tiger Mountain (Brian Eno, cf. Lisa Says by The Velvets) Staying out for the summer (Dodgy, cf. Don't Fear the Cowbells by B. O. C.) Ideology (Billy Bragg, cf. Chimes of Freedom by Mr. Zimmerman again) Fucking with my Head (Beck, cf. The Last Time by The Rolling Stones) Surfing USA (Beach Boys, cf. Sweet Little Sixteen by Chuck Berry) Down Home Girl (Nick Armstrong, cf. Sunshine Superman by Donovan) etc etc etc... Intrigung are the near simultaneous ones: Apeman by the Kinks and Neanderthal Man by Hotlegs, and the identical riff (possibly David Gilmour both times) on Pete Townshend's "White City Fighting" and Roy Harper's "Hope". James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:11:31 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: interesting concept : I'm referring to the forthcoming issuance online of all the unadorned individual multitracks to two songs on this album, under a Creative Commons license encouraging remixing etc. (See near the end of the review). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:59:36 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Sally in the dark On 3/26/06, James Dignan wrote: > > >Every time I hear it, my so-called brain starts to sing: > >"Can't start a fire... Never thought about it, obvious as it is. I rate it a pretty unmemorable piece apart from "I can point to Norway", which wouldn't stand out as a good line in your average Robyn song. > > >Not to mention my problems with "The Ash Grove" and "Sweet Betsy From > Pike". > > > >Does anyone else have these difficulties? > > definitely with Sally. Not so with the Ash Grove though. I actually > have kept a list for a while now called "Plagiarism that we know and > love" which lists songs that are just *too damn close* to, um, the > originals, shall we say. It contains some classic songs that always > force me to shake older tracks out of my head. Among them are the > following: > > Hope (REM - cf. Suzanne by Leonard Cohen) Cohen got a cowriting credit on that from the get-go, though. > Surfing USA (Beach Boys, cf. Sweet Little Sixteen by Chuck Berry) Same thing, I think. Intrigung are the near simultaneous ones: Apeman by the Kinks and > Neanderthal Man by Hotlegs, and the identical riff (possibly David > Gilmour both times) on Pete Townshend's "White City Fighting" and Roy > Harper's "Hope". Also the eerie simultaneity of two songs called "Hope" appearing on this list. Some radio station actually did a promo based on this: snippets of "Save It For Later" back to back with "Better Man", etc. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Sally in the dark Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > "Plagiarism that we know and love" [snip]: > > Hope (REM - cf. Suzanne by Leonard Cohen) > > Cohen got a cowriting credit on that from the > get-go, though. > > > Surfing USA (Beach Boys, cf. Sweet Little Sixteen > > by Chuck Berry) > > Same thing, I think. Chuck (or someone) had to sue the Wilsons. Same With "Come Together" by The Quarrymen vs. Chuck's "You Can't Catch Me." > Intrigung are the near simultaneous ones: Apeman by > the Kinks and > > Neanderthal Man by Hotlegs, and the identical riff > (possibly David > > Gilmour both times) on Pete Townshend's "White > City Fighting" and Roy > > Harper's "Hope". > > > Also the eerie simultaneity of two songs called > "Hope" appearing on this > list. > > Some radio station actually did a promo based on > this: snippets of "Save It > For Later" back to back with "Better Man", etc. > > -Rex > "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:52:11 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: robyn/minus 3 at wireless according to efestivals.co.uk , robyn and the minus 3 will be playing the wireless festival in hyde park in london on thursday, june 22nd and in leeds at harewood house on sunday, june 25th. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:19:30 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: reap nikki sudden http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002236579 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:00:14 -0600 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: reap confirmation? I found an article at Billboard's website: Swell Maps' Nikki Sudden Dies March 27, 2006, 9:45 AM ET Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. Swell Maps frontman Nikki Sudden died Saturday after a show at New York's Knitting Factory, Billboard.com has learned. He was 49. No cause of death has been made public yet, according to Secretly Canadian label head Chris Swanson, whose company reissued 10 of Sudden's albums in recent years. Always a prolific artist, Sudden has just completed a new solo album, "The Truth Doesn't Matter," and has a gig booked in London on Wednesday (March 29) with his band the Jacobites. According to a post from longtime group member Dave Kusworth on Sudden's MySpace.com page, the show will go off as planned in memoriam to Sudden. "Nikki Sudden believed in rock'n'roll -- and how hard was that in this cold new millennium?," Kusworth wrote. Sudden rose to fame with his brother Epic Soundtracks in Swell Maps, a late 1970s rock combo that has remained influential despite its brief lifespan. Soundtracks died of unknown causes in 1997. According to Secretly Canadian, Sudden was nearing completion on his autobiography, "The Last Bandit." http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002236579 On 3/26/06, Eb wrote: > I'm hearing that Nikki Sudden Suddenly died? > > Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:05:40 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Reap I'm suprised nobody has beaten me to this one: Stanislaw Lem - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:11:40 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Stanislaw Lem, 84. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:32:52 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: Reap On 3/27/06, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > I'm suprised nobody has beaten me to this one (Lem): I was really sure he was already dead... - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:33:18 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Reap Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > I'm suprised nobody has beaten me to this one: > > Stanislaw Lem Amazingly quick update. They've already got his DOD updated on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Lem - -- FS Thomas | Interactive Developer | fsthomas-at-ochremedia.com 404.758.8616 (home/office) | 404.274.1632 (mobile) | ferraatu (AIM) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:31:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap I would kill to cater the wake.... Richard Fleischer http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281507/ "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:47:55 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: reap On 3/25/06, Tom Clark wrote: >> >> On Saturday, March 25, 2006, at 11:56AM, Eb > wrote: > > > >Buck Owens, 76 > > > >> Bummer. We drove through the parking lot of Buck's Crystal Palace in >> Bakersfield a few times, always wanted to stop in see him play but never >>did. RIP. >I just saw the first episode of HEE HAW on DVD a month ago... hadn't seen it >for probably 20 years, but man, it was like a place I never left. Loretta >Lynn doing "Your Squaw Is On the Warpath". Need I say more? >Yeah, bummer. Major bummer. It was nice to see Buck get a carrer boost back in the late 80's when he performed on the song and video on Dwight Yoakam's "Streets of Bakersfield". One of Dwight's better songs I thought. I saw Dwight in concert a couple of days after 9/11, and he was most respectful of the dead. He didn't come off as some "were gonna stomp some ass" goofball like Toby Keith would later become. I never bought any Bucks Owens recordings, but I have been tempted lately to buy some of his Bakersfield buddy's Merle Haggard. Now I'll probably check them both out. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Sally in the dark On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: >> Hope (REM - cf. Suzanne by Leonard Cohen) > > Cohen got a cowriting credit on that from the get-go, though. The other song that always makes me think of "Suzanne" is "Crabwalk" by American Music Club. (Anyone who's never heard that album, it's still available free in its entirety from download.com: http://music.download.com/americanmusicclub/3600-8573_32-100345935.html The Everclear songs start with "Why Won't You Stay" and go on down the page.) a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:59:43 -0800 From: "Spotted Eagle Ray" Subject: Re: reap On 3/27/06, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > > I never bought any Bucks Owens recordings, but I have been tempted lately > to buy some of his Bakersfield buddy's Merle Haggard. Now I'll probably > check > them both out. Do. The two Owens compilations put out by Rhino are very fine (probably about all you need... all I have, anyway). Haggard is a little trickier. I've amassed a bunch of compilation over the years without finding one that isn't deeply flawed on some level. But I probably have stronger opinions on Haggard and thus would be harder to please anyway. I'd go so far as to call Haggard on of those "everyone should have at least one record" artists, and I hate that shit on priniciple. I always did like that Yoakam duet with Owens, too. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:07:34 -0500 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Re: Reap >Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> I'm suprised nobody has beaten me to this one: >> >> Stanislaw Lem Strange. I've been watching the 1972 Solaris these past couple days... - -Nuppy (2 months of bachelorhood left today) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:35:59 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: does Kansan have a new obsession? Found this looking for something else... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:50:52 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: GAH! I have the EXACT SAME PROBLEM! Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:28:11 -0800 (PST) > From: Capuchin > Subject: Re: Difficulties with Girls, specially Sally > >> Every time I hear it, my so-called brain starts to sing: >> "Can't start a fire, can't start a fire without a spark, Sally was a legend, >> now she's just dancing in the dark". >> >> Does anyone else have these difficulties? > GAH! I have the EXACT SAME PROBLEM! > I'm so glad it's not just me. I tried to explain that to Viv way back > when and she just didn't hear it. * Signing off for now till a week after the eclipse. If anybody wants me, try e-mailing Hugh and Jane Porlett: See ya (pl.)! - - Mike "One red one one white one and one...whoops!" Godwin n.p. another Ed Harcourt record... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:52:35 -0800 From: "Hurricane Jesus" Subject: Phone Conversation I just had with a telemarketer ME: Hello. HER: Hello? ... Is anybody there? ME: Maybe! HER: Oh, I couldn't hear you before. Now I can hear you. Can you hear me? ME: Not that I *want* to be hearing you, but I can-- HER: Oh, well! I'm not going to talk to somebody who's rude-- ME: [Laughing, hanging up.] and for a little bonus phone-fun, the following answering machine message from the chef, the first following the huskies' thrilling victory over illinois, the second following the heart-breaking loss to connecticut: How 'bout that? How 'bout *that*? I told you! You said they're uh...they're uh...what you said about Huskies? Said they're not, they can't win big games? I told you they, they gonna win big game. ... You know? You know, you said something about that, I forgot right now. Piss-ass. What did you say? I don't remember. You can't take the day off for Huskies are playing today? What the fuck's wrong with you, piss-ass? [Laughing.] All right, I call you later. Hey. ... Hello, Eddie. I don't think you are lejje-paul [according to the chef, that's pashto for "loyal", although his relatives disagree that it's even a word in pashto]. Because, fuckin' I broke my teevee last night. I don't understand, what kind of a fan are you? I mean it's unbelievable you didn't even call me. Good-bye. I'm so sad. It's the saddest thing ever happened to U-Dub...and to us. All right: I talk to you later. [for the record: i had said, earlier in the season, that they had not yet proven that they could win big games on the road in league play.] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:20:18 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Phone Conversation I just had with a telemarketer Hurricane Jesus wrote: > and for a little bonus phone-fun, the following answering machine message > from the chef, the first following the huskies' thrilling victory over > illinois, the second following the heart-breaking loss to connecticut: Not to mention Connecticut's heart-breaking loss to *George Mason*. Ferris "An alumnus of UConn who's now pulling for George Who-The-Fuck-Are-You Mason*" Thomas - -- FS Thomas | Interactive Developer | fsthomas-at-ochremedia.com 404.758.8616 (home/office) | 404.274.1632 (mobile) | ferraatu (AIM) * That would be George "The Father of the Bill of Rights" Mason to you, apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mason ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #69 *******************************