From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #30 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 3 2006 Volume 15 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: just a note that I am, in fact... [Capuchin ] Random note (wow) [Eb ] Re: Random note (wow) [2fs ] yet another useless thread soliciting song titles [2fs ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles [Spotted Eagle Ray ] Re: Random note (wow) [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Random note (wow) [Spotted Eagle Ray ] Re: question [2fs ] Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles [2fs ] Re: It's out! [The Great Quail ] Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles [2fs ] Mini-Review ["Hurricane Jesus" ] Re: Random note (wow) [Eb ] Finally, a WSJ opinion piece worth reading [Christopher Gross ] Re: Random note (wow) [Eb ] Re: Random note (wow) [2fs ] bandtoband [James Dignan ] Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: bandtoband [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:36:49 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: just a note that I am, in fact... On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, 2fs wrote: > ...listening to the Higsons, at right this very moment. I listen to The Higsons almost every day. The Curse Of The Higsons gets regular play by my me and Maria. It's especially a favorite while doing chores. Every day, in every way, the junk keeps piling up, J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:48:00 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Random note (wow) I was just out running my double-loop route, and it was a really non- relaxing jaunt because THE WHOLE TIME (50-55 minutes), there were four helicopters oppressively, noisily circling right above the area. Just a little bit northwest of me. Plus...a police car zoomed past me at one point, with sirens blaring. Heading in the same direction. It was obvious that the news choppers were out in force, covering something or other. Except it couldn't be justanotherfreewaychase, because they weren't *going away*. It's not inconceivable that I might have been briefly pictured on TV, from above. Now that I'm home, I can STILL hear them above. I turned on the local TV news, and whaddya know? Shots exchanged between police and a suspect, in my city! Somebody wounded or killed? And then the newscaster gave the main intersection -- and one of the streets was one of the five "sides" of my running loop! And I turn off that street, maybe 3/10's of a mile south of the intersection cited! Wow. If that guy had been "on the run" in my direction, I could have been in danger! Anyway, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:55:10 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Random note (wow) On 2/2/06, Eb wrote: > I was just out running my double-loop route, and it was a really non- > relaxing jaunt because THE WHOLE TIME (50-55 minutes), there were > four helicopters oppressively, noisily circling right above the area. > Just a little bit northwest of me. Plus...a police car zoomed past me > at one point, with sirens blaring. Heading in the same direction. It > was obvious that the news choppers were out in force, covering > something or other. Except it couldn't be justanotherfreewaychase, > because they weren't *going away*. It's not inconceivable that I > might have been briefly pictured on TV, from above. > > Now that I'm home, I can STILL hear them above. > > I turned on the local TV news, and whaddya know? Shots exchanged > between police and a suspect, in my city! Somebody wounded or killed? > And then the newscaster gave the main intersection -- and one of the > streets was one of the five "sides" of my running loop! And I turn > off that street, maybe 3/10's of a mile south of the intersection > cited! Wow. If that guy had been "on the run" in my direction, I > could have been in danger! Damned incompetent Homeland Security "assassins"! Oops - I wasn't supposed to write that out loud. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:57:25 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles Okay, so we had Song Title = Name of Musician, and Song Title = Name of its Performer. How about Song Title = Source for Later Band Name? I'll start: Roxy Music "Ladytron" Bonzo Dog Band "Death Cab for Cutie" - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:02:46 -0800 (PST) From: JBJ Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles The Smiths - "Shakespear's Sister" The Smiths - "Pretty Girls Make Graves" =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, 2fs wrote: > Okay, so we had Song Title = Name of Musician, and Song Title = Name > of its Performer. How about Song Title = Source for Later Band Name? > > I'll start: > > Roxy Music "Ladytron" > Bonzo Dog Band "Death Cab for Cutie" The Byrds "Green Apple Quick Step" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles 2fs wrote: > Okay, so we had Song Title = Name of Musician, and > Song Title = Name of its Performer. How about Song > Title = Source for Later Band Name? > > I'll start: > > Roxy Music "Ladytron" > Bonzo Dog Band "Death Cab for Cutie" Talking Heads "Radiohead" The Smiths "Pretty Girls Make Graves" "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:12:25 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles On 2/2/06, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, 2fs wrote: > > > Okay, so we had Song Title = Name of Musician, and Song Title = Name > > of its Performer. How about Song Title = Source for Later Band Name? > > > > I'll start: > > > > Roxy Music "Ladytron" > > Bonzo Dog Band "Death Cab for Cutie" > > The Byrds "Green Apple Quick Step" T. Rex "Buick MacKane" - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:15:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles > Okay, so we had Song Title = Name of Musician, and Song Title = Name > of its Performer. How about Song Title = Source for Later Band Name? > > I'll start: > > Roxy Music "Ladytron" > Bonzo Dog Band "Death Cab for Cutie" Billie Holiday - "Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel" Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: JBJ Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles Prince Buster - "Madness" On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, 2fs wrote: > On 2/2/06, JBJ wrote: >> The Smiths - "Shakespear's Sister" >> The Smiths - "Pretty Girls Make Graves" > > Brian Eno "Burning Airlines" > Brian Eno "A Certain Ratio" > Can "Moonshake" > Neu! "Negativland" > Joni Mitchell "Court and Spark" > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:59:53 -0800 (PST) From: JBJ Subject: question Is the band "Arab Strap" named after Belle & Sebastian's "The Boy With The Arab Strap"?? =jbj= ps to Eb: I'll see your Billie Holliday and raise you a Robyn Hitchcock - Television ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:10:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap The Sambora-Locklear Union. Let us weep for them. "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:32:16 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles I see so many of these in cutout bins and know nothing about the bands other than that they liked other, probably better bands... to wit: 59 Times The Pain (ugh) Despite Amputations (ugher, although it's technically a lyrical lift and not a song title, but just... ugh) For some reason I think I've seen another Husker lift as well. - -Rx, who useta woulda made some kinda fake band name joke here On 2/2/06, JBJ wrote: > > Prince Buster - "Madness" > > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, 2fs wrote: > > > On 2/2/06, JBJ wrote: > >> The Smiths - "Shakespear's Sister" > >> The Smiths - "Pretty Girls Make Graves" > > > > Brian Eno "Burning Airlines" > > Brian Eno "A Certain Ratio" > > Can "Moonshake" > > Neu! "Negativland" > > Joni Mitchell "Court and Spark" > > > > > > -- > > > > ...Jeff Norman > > > > The Architectural Dance Society > > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:18:39 -0800 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Random note (wow) On 02.02.2006, at 20:48, Eb wrote: > I turned on the local TV news, and whaddya know? Shots exchanged > between police and a suspect, in my city! Somebody wounded or killed? > And then the newscaster gave the main intersection -- and one of the > streets was one of the five "sides" of my running loop! And I turn off > that street, maybe 3/10's of a mile south of the intersection cited! > Wow. If that guy had been "on the run" in my direction, I could have > been in danger! Yeah, like the time I walked through the financial district of San Francisco on a Friday of a 3 day weekend (MLK 99) and hear shots that sound too close. So I duck behind the newspaper stand only to find that the bank directly across the street is being robbed. 5pm. 3 day weekend. Nice timing. All seems quiet. I walk on over to my slide shop - about 3 blocks away - - pick up my slides and walk back the way I came - to bart. Ran in to an old friend just about this moment - we were talking and I told him about the shots - you know - strange world out there. Then, a bullet whizzes by us. We duck behind some bushes near us and notice several police officers running past us with shotguns. They are doing the movie thing - you know - pump action with one arm. Needless to say the shoot out happens on the street - the bank robber is killed in front of us all except we were all hiding behind things to escape injury from stray bullets so we didn't actually witness it and I am not at all comfortable with witnessing any aspect of the old west but hey, it happened. Just another day, - - c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:23:25 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: Random note (wow) On 2/3/06, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > > On 02.02.2006, at 20:48, Eb wrote: > I could have > > been in danger! > > I > am not at all comfortable with witnessing any aspect of the old west > but hey, it happened. South Central LA, April, 1992. Rx thinks: "Kill Whitey. Oh. Wait. I better get the fuck outta here." Life goes on... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:49:24 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: question On 2/2/06, JBJ wrote: > Is the band "Arab Strap" named after Belle & Sebastian's "The Boy With The > Arab Strap"?? I'm pretty sure the album was named after the band. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:13:42 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles On 2/2/06, JBJ wrote: > Prince Buster - "Madness" Syd Barrett "Gigolo Aunt" (the band used the plural - but I think it counts) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:12:22 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles Hawkwind, "Motorhead" And this doesn't quite fit, but Forma Tadre was named after the album Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:38:39 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles Can, "Spoon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:32:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Roberta Cowan Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles Chris wrote: >And this doesn't quite fit, but Forma Tadre was named after the album >Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream. Which reminds me of Kaleidoscope-Tangerine Dream! Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:15:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Tulloch Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles Muddy Waters - Rollin' Stone Bo Diddley - Pretty Thing Sonny Boy Williamson - Nine Below Zero Tommy Johnson - Canned Heat Blues Syd Barrett - Baby Lemonade Badfinger were named after Badfinger Boogie, the working title of With A Little Help From My Friends The Mystery Trend, one of the early SF bands, were named after a mis-hearing of Like A Rolling Stone - "You'll never compromise with the mystery tramp..." Christopher Gross wrote: Hawkwind, "Motorhead" And this doesn't quite fit, but Forma Tadre was named after the album Force Majeure by Tangerine Dream. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu The Purple Bottle - "Howling without symmetry" http://thepurplebottle.blogspot.com/ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos  NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:23:23 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... > Is "Brokeback Mountain" really the best the film industry had to > offer, this year? Brrr. My favorite of the year was "Munich," which I thought was Senor Spielbergo's best movie since "Shaving Ryan's Privates." I know most of you are haters, but I think "Munich" was definitely Best Picture Material. After that, "A History of Violence." Viggo and Maria were robbed in the Best Actor/Actress categories. One day people will see Maria Bello with the same eyes that I do, like that chick from "The Abyss" seeing the "aliens." I saw "City of God," and thought it was pretty good, but a little bit too enamored of its cleverness. It needed more characterization and warmth, or maybe less of both. I loved "King Kong," but in a eyeball-popping funzapalooza kind of way. I can't stand movies about tortured relationships, even if they are gay cowboys, which would be the only reason I'd drag my ass to another Ang Lee film. - --Quail PS: Damn you, Chris! Hawkwind/Motorhead was *mine!* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:25:00 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: It's out! > Wow...Kanye wins *again*. Impressive. Why do people like Bright Eyes? Why, daddy...? - --Quail PS: Animal Collective -- I've just finally gotten around to listening to "Feels," and wow! It's good to have the old Mercury Rev back. Sort of. I fucking love this CD.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:25:03 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles Then the Mystery Trend turns back into a song - off of Jehovahkill by Julian Cope... incidentally Tulloch, will you be coming to Copey at the Zodiac in Oxford on the 14th? My mate's band Nought are supporting - should be good... Cheers Matt -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tulloch > The Mystery Trend, one of the early SF bands, were named after a mis-hearing of Like A Rolling Stone - "You'll never compromise with the mystery tramp..." > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos  NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:20:36 +0000 From: Rob Subject: Re: question On 2/3/06, 2fs wrote: > On 2/2/06, JBJ wrote: > > Is the band "Arab Strap" named after Belle & Sebastian's "The Boy With The > > Arab Strap"?? > > I'm pretty sure the album was named after the band. > In an interview Aidan Moffat said: "That album's title track is basically a dig at me," says Aidan, "but there are two points that I can't get to grips with. Firstly, he (Stuart Murdoch) makes some remark about 'lewd and lascivious boasts", and if anybody listens to our records and thinks I'm boasting, then it's them that's got the problem. Secondly, the track fades out early, but if you read the lyrics on the album sleeve there are two lines at the end which mention me and an ex-girlfriend. Fuck him. Fuck him twice". Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:58:11 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles On 2/3/06, Dolph Chaney wrote: > Can, "Spoon" I thought of that - but was the band actually named after the song? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:35:14 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles At 10:58 AM 2/3/2006, 2fs wrote: >On 2/3/06, Dolph Chaney wrote: > > Can, "Spoon" > >I thought of that - but was the band actually named after the song? One bio I read said yes. Also: Can, "Hunters And Collectors" - -- Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:17:55 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Radcliffe Session?? On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:40 AM, JBJ wrote: > No one wrote me yesterday. How come Tom, Gnat, and Eddie get to use > derogatory terms of affection but not me? Fuck you John Barrington Jones! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:39:41 -0800 From: "Hurricane Jesus" Subject: Mini-Review Ric Ocasek ~ *Nexterday*: this is pretty god damned good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:51:44 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Random note (wow) > Yeah, like the time I walked through the financial district of San > Francisco on a Friday of a 3 day weekend (MLK 99) and hear shots > that sound too close. So I duck behind the newspaper stand only to > find that the bank directly across the street is being robbed. 5pm. > 3 day weekend. Nice timing. > > All seems quiet. I walk on over to my slide shop - about 3 blocks > away - pick up my slides and walk back the way I came - to bart. > Ran in to an old friend just about this moment - we were talking > and I told him about the shots - you know - strange world out there. > > Then, a bullet whizzes by us. We duck behind some bushes near us > and notice several police officers running past us with shotguns. > They are doing the movie thing - you know - pump action with one arm. > > Needless to say the shoot out happens on the street - the bank > robber is killed in front of us all except we were all hiding > behind things to escape injury from stray bullets so we didn't > actually witness it and I am not at all comfortable with witnessing > any aspect of the old west but hey, it happened. Article about last night's incident: http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_981779.php Eb np Yardbirds - "The Nazz Are Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:52:23 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Finally, a WSJ opinion piece worth reading That's Good Enough for Me: Cookie Monsters of Death-Metal Music, by Jim Fusilli http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110007902 ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:57 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Random note (wow) On Feb 3, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Eb wrote: > Article about last night's incident: > > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_981779.php Registration sites should be firebombed. Please post the article. - -tc np Minus 5 "Family Gardener" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:05:42 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Random note (wow) >> http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_981779.php > > Registration sites should be firebombed. Please post the article. Oh, I guess I had a cookie working for me, and didn't realize it. SWAT incident ends in death Body found inside Fullerton house by bomb squad robot after shots fired. Another SWAT incident in Santa Ana ends in surrender. By JENNIFER MUIR and JOHN McDONALD The Orange County Register One man was found dead today and another surrendered after two separate incidents involving SWAT officers. A man was found dead today inside a Fullerton house that had been surrounded by police Thursday night and where there had been an exchange of gunfire with officers, officials said. The incident began at about 6 p.m. Thursday when police responded to reports of multiple gunshots fired in the vicinity of the house in the 2300 block of Camino Escondido, said Fullerton police Lt. Steve Matson. Officers arrived at the home and approached the house from the side armed with assault rifles and wearing protective vests, out of concern that the occupant was armed, said Fullerton police Lt. John Petropulos. The man was seen with an assault rifle and shots were fired, but it was unclear if any were fired at that time by the suspect, Petropulos said. A Special Weapons and Tactics team was called to the scene and a standoff continued until about 11 p.m. No communication was attempted with the suspect until all of the residents in the line of fire were evacuated, said Petropulos. One nearby residence was being used as a convalescent home and it took time to have those people removed. One man was paralyzed and had to be evacuated on a board by an armored SWAT vehicle. Around 11 p.m., gas was fired into the house in an attempt to drive the man out but there was no sign of activity inside. A robot from the Orange County Sheriffs Department bomb squad was sent inside, and the robot, equipped with a video camera, found the body of the man. "He was behind a bar and a rifle was in close proximity to the body," said Petropulos. The Orange County District Attorneys Office will investigate the case, which is routine in cases of officer-involved deaths. The identity of the dead man was not released pending positive identification by the Orange County coroner. The owner of the house had come to the scene during the standoff and was questioned by police. A second SWAT incident took place in Santa Ana but ended without injury, police said. That incident began at about 9 p.m. Thursday when a man called police to help him retrieve property from his former home. The man reported having problems with his former landlord. Police arrived at the location in the 2100 block of South Maple Street and saw a man with what appeared to be a firearm run into the home. The SWAT team was called and attempts to communicate with the man were unsuccessful. Early this morning, tear gas was fired into the premises and the man surrendered without further incident. He was taken into custody. His identity was not immediately released. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:27:03 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Random note (wow) On 2/3/06, Eb wrote: > >> http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_981779.php > > > > Registration sites should be firebombed. Please post the article. > > Oh, I guess I had a cookie working for me, and didn't realize it. Yes, but was it a monster? >That's Good Enough for Me: Cookie Monsters of Death-Metal Music, by Jim > Fusilli > http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110007902 COOKIE!!! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:27:33 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: bandtoband >> According to : > > That's a very cool site. > >> The path between Robyn Hitchcock and Minor Threat contains 9 steps: hm. I just decided to test it out: The Chills to Brian Eno. I know of a link in three steps - bandtoband says six. Greg Lake to Jethro Tull. I know of a link in three steps - bandtoband says three - but found a different three. The Hollies to Split Enz. Bandtoband says 12, but only five from The Hollies to graham Gouldman (it's only two steps from Graham Gouldman to Split Enz, via Godley and Creme and the Finn Brothers work with Phil Manzanera). Seems a bit patchy, but presumably improving with time as more albums get added. James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:47:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: yet another useless thread soliciting song titles I didn't know this until a minute ago, but there is a band called The Boy Least Likely To, presumably after the Morrissey b-side "The Girl Least Likely To." "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... The Great Quail wrote: > I can't stand movies about tortured relationships, > even if they are gay cowboys, which would be the > only reason I'd drag my ass to another Ang Lee > film. A friend of mine (presumably unaware of the short story the movie is based on) snarkingly called BM _Ride The Ice Wedding Banquet Storm with the Devil._ Not the cleverest thing ever said exactly, but "The Wedding Banquet" wasn't _that_ torturous. _The Ice Storm_ was really good, but there are enough tortured relationships in it for any one person to film, you'd think. "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:53:51 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: bandtoband On 2/3/06, James Dignan wrote: > >> According to : > The Chills to Brian Eno. > I know of a link in three steps - bandtoband says six. > > Greg Lake to Jethro Tull. > I know of a link in three steps - bandtoband says three - but found a > different three. > > The Hollies to Split Enz. > > Bandtoband says 12, but only five from The Hollies to graham Gouldman > (it's only two steps from Graham Gouldman to Split Enz, via Godley and > Creme and the Finn Brothers work with Phil Manzanera). I suspect that some of your closer connections fall afoul of the site's rules, key ones being that merely *working with* an artist on an album (as a guest) doesn't count, and that bands with the same name as a member of the band are construed as solo acts. I can see the first one - I don't think Manzanera ever formally joined Finn Brothers (although i could be wrong) - but the second criterion is asinine. There's a special section in the rules painstakingly figuring out the case of Alice Cooper (the example I thought of as well!), whereby "Alice Cooper" is a band, with a performer using the stage name "Alice Cooper" as a member, until 1974; after which point, motivated by the former Vincent Furnier's legally changing his name to Alice Cooper, "Alice Cooper" is a single-member band. What this absurdity means is that, say, Bob Smith is the guitarist with Alice Cooper (the band) at one moment; nothing changes in terms of the band's membership except the singer changes his name to the name of the band, and suddenly Bob Smith is no longer part of the band by these rules? That's insane. It really ought to be simpler: when a performer has a regular band that performs under his or her name, that band is a band if it lasts for more than one album or tour, or if it's called a band publicly. (It is a band if the band says it's a band.) I don't know what the site does about weird situations like that of Steely Dan: they started out as a band pure and simple, but after the third album or so, they clearly were Becker & Fagen (I guess that's still a band, even though only a two-person band) and whoever played on an any given track. But they were using a band name: does that mean the hundreds of studio guys, some of whom maybe played two notes on one song, are band members of Steely Dan? Compared to Bob Smith, who might have played on 48 Alice Cooper albums, but gets ripped off because the singer changed his name, apparently. Uh, anyway: what's that 3-segment link between the Chills & Eno anyway? > Seems a bit patchy, but presumably improving with time as more albums > get added. They really should ditch the "Band" concept, and go with the situation as used in the famous "Oracle of Bacon": if people worked together, in whatever capacity (band member, guest musician, session player, producer, etc.), they worked together, and it counts as a link. The other amusing thing is that, of course, a band can be a "band" without even interacting (as on several late period Beatles tracks...). Finally: All bands can be linked to all other bands via members of the Fall. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #30 *******************************