From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #28 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 1 2006 Volume 15 : Number 028 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - January 25th 2006 - London UK (SBD) ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Why does the Academy hate... [Jason Brown ] Re: Why does the Academy hate... [Eb ] RE: DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - January 25th 2006 - London UK (SBD) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Why does the Academy hate... ["Nora B." ] Re: Why does the Academy hate... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Why does the Academy hate... [Christopher Gross ] It's out! [Eb ] Re: Why does the Academy hate... [Caroline Smith ] Re: It's out! [Tom Clark ] Re: It's out! [Eb ] Re: Why does the Academy hate... ["Nora B." ] Re: It's out! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] I'm waiting for the power-pop version [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Byrds and UK releases [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: Byrds and UK releases [Spotted Eagle Ray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:36:49 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - January 25th 2006 - London UK (SBD) > that peter and scott love the tune and threatened to bludgeon robyn to > death if they didn't include it in the set. Didn't the Minus 5 do it in tribute when they opened on the Soft's first reunion tour? I wouldn't know, we got John Wesley Harding instead. Michael "not that I'm complaining" Wells P.s. Eddie, what's the plural of Sasquatch? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:39:38 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - January 25th 2006 - London UK (SBD) On Jan 31, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > On 1/31/06, wojizzle forizzle wrote: >> >> hah! joe belock on wfmu just played "give it to the soft boys" from >> matthijs' scala recording! > > > What do y'all make of the seemingly routine inclusion of this song > in the > recent setlists? For years it's been fairly common when YFF/M5 join Robyn on stage. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:52:07 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - January 25th 2006 - London UK (SBD) On 1/31/06, Tom Clark wrote: > > > > What do y'all make of the seemingly routine inclusion of this song > > in the > > recent setlists? > > For years it's been fairly common when YFF/M5 join Robyn on stage. More familiar to Scott McCaughey than "Eight Miles High", then! Pete Buck used to always claim he nicked his jangle style from the SB's rather than the Byrds. But Pete Buck has claimed a lot of things over the years... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:32:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap Benny Hill star McGee dies at 77 BBC Actor Henry McGee, famed for playing the stooge in the Benny Hill TV show, has died at the age of 77. He died on Saturday and had been battling Alzheimer's, his agent said. He spent the last six months of his life in a nursing home. And I don't think anyone mentioned playwright Wendy Wasserstein either. Alleged Coachella lineup? Day 1: Depeche Mode, Franz Ferdinand, Sigur Ros, Common, Damian Marley, Atmosphere, Carl Cox, My Morning Jacket, Ladytron , Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Tosca, Cat Power, Animal Collective, HARD-fi, Derrick Carter, Devendra Banhart, She Wants Revenge, The Walkmen, The Juan Maclean, Audio Bullys, Lady Sovereign, Deerhoof, The Duke Spirit, Editors, stellastarr, Lyrics Born, Matt Costa, The New Amsterdams, The Zutons, Platinum Piped Pipers, White Rose Movement, Chris Liberator, Colette, Imogen Heap, Joey Beltram, Hybrid, Wolfmother, The Like, Living Things, Nine Black Alps, The Section Quartet, Infadels, Youth Group, Shy FX & T Power, Infusion Day 2: Tool [even Eddie's favorite bands are all about cock], Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Bloc Party, Paul Oakenfold, Scissor Sisters, Matisyahu, TV on the Radio, Sleater-Kinney , Mogwai, Coheed and Cambria, Gnarls Barkley, Coldcut, Phoenix, Digable Planets, Amadou & Mariam, Little Louie Vega, Mylo (DJ Set), Seu Jorge, Wolf Parade, The Go! Team, Kaskade, Metric, Art Brut, Dungen, The Dears, Jamie Lidell, The Magic Numbers, Los Amigos Invisibles, Jazzanova, Michael Mayer, Mates of State, Gilles Peterson, Gabriel & Dresden, The Subways, Minus the Bear, Be Your Own Pet, Giant Drag, Kristina Sky, The Octopus Project I don't know a decent tally of these groups (eek), but it looks like four artists I'd be happy to see on Day 1 (Deerhoof, Animal Collective, Sigur Ros, Franz Ferdinand), and five (Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Sleater-Kinney, Mogwai, the Go! Team, the Magic Numbers) on Day 2. Digable Planets are back together? Weird. Eb, mopping up ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:04:24 -0800 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... On 1/31/06, The Great Quail wrote: > ...David Cronenberg so much? Because he makes films that challenge viewers and can make people uncomfortable. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:12:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... That's just about the most uninvolving set of nominations I can ever remember. It's as if we're seeing the second-string set of nominations, because the first string of films was accidentally destroyed in a warehouse fire. Is "Brokeback Mountain" really the best the film industry had to offer, this year? Brrr. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - January 25th 2006 - London UK (SBD) Michael Wells wrote: > > that peter and scott love the tune and threatened > to bludgeon robyn to > > death if they didn't include it in the set. > > Didn't the Minus 5 do it in tribute when they opened > on the Soft's first reunion tour? It was Young Fresh Fellows not The Minus 5, and yes. "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:08:21 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Why does the Academy hate... Eb: >That's just about the most uninvolving set of nominations I can ever >remember. It's as if we're seeing the second-string set of >nominations, because the first string of films was accidentally >destroyed in a warehouse fire. Not too many surprises either. Last movie I saw at the theatre was "Good Night and Good Luck", which was solid. "Crash" was good, but I don't think Best Picture good. >Is "Brokeback Mountain" really the best the film industry had to >offer, this year? Brrr. Didn't see it and don't want too. I like Ang Lee's earlier movies though, "Eat, Drink, Man, Woman" and "Ride With The Devil" and "Ice Storm". Did anyone see Match Point? Apart from Original Screenplay, it didn't get a nod. Did Scarlett deserve a nomination for those that saw it? Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:11:56 -0800 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & The Minus 3 - January 25th 2006 - London UK (SBD) On 1/31/06, Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > On 1/31/06, wojizzle forizzle wrote: > > > > hah! joe belock on wfmu just played "give it to the soft boys" from > > matthijs' scala recording! > > > What do y'all make of the seemingly routine inclusion of this song in the > recent setlists? Nothing other than Peter and Scott know how to play it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:24:55 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: Why does the Academy hate... > Did anyone see Match Point? Apart from Original Screenplay, it didn't > get a nod. Did Scarlett deserve a nomination for those that saw it? She deserves a mention, alright. Two mentions, really... Michael "this is the new stuff" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:26:34 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... Bachman, Michael wrote: > Did anyone see Match Point? I'm terribly curious about this film, because its trailers make it seem so COMPLETELY uncharacteristic of Woody Allen's style. Maybe the trailers are intentionally misleading...I don't know. I rarely go out to movies, but if I were to see something right now, Match Point certainly would be my choice. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:02:26 -0800 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... Eb sayeth: > That's just about the most uninvolving set of nominations I can ever > remember. It's as if we're seeing the second-string set of > nominations, because the first string of films was accidentally > destroyed in a warehouse fire. And how many of those films have you seen Mr. Broome? And which 2005 films that you have seen would you replace them with? > Is "Brokeback Mountain" really the best the film industry had to > offer, this year? Brrr. Quiet possibly yes. Have you seen that as well? Or was the spectre of man-on-man action to squicky for your sensibilities? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:38:39 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... - -- "Nora B." is rumored to have mumbled on 31. Januar 2006 14:02:26 -0800 regarding Re: Why does the Academy hate...: > And which 2005 > films that you have seen would you replace them with? A nomination for Serenity would've been cool :-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:41:25 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Why does the Academy hate... - -- "Bachman, Michael" is rumored to have mumbled on 31. Januar 2006 17:08:21 -0500 regarding RE: Why does the Academy hate...: > Did anyone see Match Point? Apart from Original Screenplay, it didn't > get a nod. Did Scarlett deserve a nomination for those that saw it? I even wrote about it on this list. Regarding Sacrlett Johannson, I really can't tell how good her acting was, but she definitely makes it worth watching. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:43:54 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on 31. Januar 2006 14:26:34 -0800 regarding Re: Why does the Academy hate...: > Bachman, Michael wrote: >> Did anyone see Match Point? > > I'm terribly curious about this film, because its trailers make it seem > so COMPLETELY uncharacteristic of Woody Allen's style. Maybe the > trailers are intentionally misleading...I don't know. Think "Crimes and Misdemeanors". Think "Crime & Punishment", but twisted. I think it's overrated and his other recent movies are underrated, but maybe that's just me. I'd probably go as far as saying that I liked "Melinda & Melinda" better. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:56:10 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... (+reap) On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 08:36 AM, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > On 1/31/06, The Great Quail wrote: >> >> ...David Cronenberg so much? > > Easy: because they consider him a "genre" director. OK... so now why do they hate Ralph Fiennes so much? James PS - reap - Henry McGee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:00:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... Nora B. (who IS this cantankerous lurker?) wrote: >> That's just about the most uninvolving set of nominations I can ever >> remember. It's as if we're seeing the second-string set of >> nominations, because the first string of films was accidentally >> destroyed in a warehouse fire. > > And how many of those films have you seen Mr. Broome? One doesn't need to see all the films to perceive their lack of "juice." When goody-goody industry product like "Brokeback Mountain," "Cinderella Man" (which I have seen), "The Constant Gardener," "Munich" and "Memories of a Geisha" is cleaning up with nominations, something ain't right. None of those films except Brokeback Mountain either "entered the culture" or became serious film-buff fodder, yet they're all over the nominations list. And I'm sure you yourself are thrilled that "Me, You and Everyone You Know" didn't get an Original Screenplay nomination, right? I liked "Crash," and happily anticipate seeing "Capote" and "Match Point" someday...I can take or leave most of the rest. Don't jump down my throat just 'cuz you like EVERY movie. :P Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:59:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > A nomination for Serenity would've been cool :-) It certainly would have made me happy! It wouldn't even have needed to be a big award like Best Picture or Actor or Screenplay. Best Resurrection of Television Show Cruelly Killed in Its Infancy, Best Concise Yet Clear Exposition of Mucho Backstory, Best Line Involving Batteries, something like that would have fine. Oh, well. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:17:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: It's out! http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop05/ Wow...Kanye wins *again*. Impressive. Dig the old-school #12! At least Robyn landed at #80. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:19:40 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... On 31-Jan-06, at 5:41 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- "Bachman, Michael" is > rumored to have mumbled on 31. Januar 2006 17:08:21 -0500 regarding > RE: Why does the Academy hate...: > >> Did anyone see Match Point? Apart from Original Screenplay, it didn't >> get a nod. Did Scarlett deserve a nomination for those that saw it? > > I even wrote about it on this list. Regarding Sacrlett Johannson, I > really can't tell how good her acting was, but she definitely makes > it worth watching. If you are a Woody Allen fan, then it might be worth your while to look up an interview he did with Vanity Fair a couple months back. He talks about why he shot the movie in the U.K. and some other personal topics (Mia etc.). I haven't seen the movie yet (and after seeing Scarlett at the Golden Globes what's left to see?). ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:50:42 -0800 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... > > A nomination for Serenity would've been cool :-) > > It certainly would have made me happy! It wouldn't even have needed to be > a big award like Best Picture or Actor or Screenplay. Best Resurrection > of Television Show Cruelly Killed in Its Infancy, Best Concise Yet Clear > Exposition of Mucho Backstory, Best Line Involving Batteries, something > like that would have fine. Oh, well. NERDS! ;-) Let's just be happy the film exists, is awesome, and not get greedy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:24:57 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: It's out! On Jan 31, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Eb wrote: > http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop05/ > > Wow...Kanye wins *again*. Impressive. What-ever. Congrats to the Rock-A-Fella marketing department. And where did this M.I.A. person come from? I sampled almost every track from that album and was hard pressed to locate a single melody. But maybe I'm asking too much... Interesting that Clap Your Hands... were ranked so high, despite the fact that their music is self-released. Good for them. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:08:41 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: It's out! Tom Clark wrote: >> http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop05/ >> >> Wow...Kanye wins *again*. Impressive. > > What-ever. Congrats to the Rock-A-Fella marketing department. > And where did this M.I.A. person come from? I sampled almost every > track from that album and was hard pressed to locate a single > melody. But maybe I'm asking too much... > > Interesting that Clap Your Hands... were ranked so high, despite > the fact that their music is self-released. Good for them. Congrats to the Pitchfork marketing department. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:48:59 -0800 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... > >> That's just about the most uninvolving set of nominations I can ever > >> remember. It's as if we're seeing the second-string set of > >> nominations, because the first string of films was accidentally > >> destroyed in a warehouse fire. > > > > And how many of those films have you seen Mr. Broome? > > One doesn't need to see all the films to perceive their lack of > "juice." What is this Variety? 'Juice? Call me crazy but I thought one might have seen at least one of the Best Picture nominees before ripping on the lot of 'em. > When goody-goody industry product like "Brokeback Mountain," > "Cinderella Man" (which I have seen), "The Constant Gardener," > "Munich" and "Memories of a Geisha" is cleaning up with nominations, > something ain't right. None of those films except Brokeback Mountain > either "entered the culture" or became serious film-buff fodder, yet > they're all over the nominations list. 'Munich' was disappointing and 'Geisha' was a big stinker but you are under-estimating 'The Constant Gardner'. If anything it should have been nominated for more awards. Plus 'Geisha' wasn't nominated for any significant awards anyhow. > And I'm sure you yourself are thrilled that "Me, You and Everyone You > Know" didn't get an Original Screenplay nomination, right? I had no expectation that the academy would ever nominate such a film as great as it is. Its the kind of film that gets praise at film festivals and from critics best ten lists. Similarly, I don't expect Soderbergh's new masterpiece 'Bubble' to garner any nominations this time next year either. However, I am pleased as punch that "The Squid and the Whale" was nominated for Best Original Screenplay. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:33:47 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: It's out! Good to see Amy Rigby finally getting some recognition. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:53:45 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: I'm waiting for the power-pop version - - Steve __________ Bush's [domestic] political successes all have three main elements in common....The first is massive partisan discipline.... Element No. 2 is massive giveaways to well-organized lobbies.... The third element is - how should I put it? - lying. - Jonathan Chait ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:33:38 -0800 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... On 31.01.2006, at 14:56, James Dignan wrote: > > OK... so now why do they hate Ralph Fiennes so much? Good question - and my favorite film of the year and the one I keep raving about is The Constant Gardener. Mr. Fiennes is brilliant. His slow change is awesome to watch. Why is this film is not nominated for: 1. Best film 2. Best direction 3. Best actor 4. Best cinematography Although it is nice to see the music by Alberto Iglesias, nominated and Rachael Weitz for supporting actress (hmmm, there was no *other* female lead...) But then maybe a film directed by a Brazilian, filmed by an Uraguayian and scored by a Spaniard is too esoteric to take top honors at the Academy. I that idiot Spielberg takes awards again well... My 2 cents, - - c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:22:09 -0800 From: "Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... Nora B. says: > However, I am pleased as punch that "The Squid and the Whale" was > nominated for Best Original Screenplay. I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that. "The Squid and the Whale" was probably the most fun I had at the movies all year. If I could stomach using words like "delightful", here would be the place. There's just something about bickering pseudo-intellectuals that warms my heart every time. And it ends to "Street Hassle." Beat that. xo Lauren - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:40:31 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate Herb Alpert? On 1/31/06, Nora B. wrote: > > > And how many of those films have you seen Mr. Broome? And which 2005 > films that you have seen would you replace them with? Nora: First rule in Fight Club is: don't talk about award shows with Eb. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:42:19 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... - --On 31. Januar 2006 22:33:38 -0800 Carrie Galbraith wrote: > On 31.01.2006, at 14:56, James Dignan wrote: >> >> OK... so now why do they hate Ralph Fiennes so much? > > Good question - and my favorite film of the year and the one I keep > raving about is The Constant Gardener. Mr. Fiennes is brilliant. His slow > change is awesome to watch. I have yet to see it (it just opened here last Thursday), so I'll reserve comments. > But then maybe a film directed by a Brazilian, filmed by an Uraguayian > and scored by a Spaniard is too esoteric to take top honors at the > Academy. I saw City of God when I was in Miami Beach and I was one of the few people who did not like it. I'm not saying it's not a good movie, but it was too bleak for my taste. I went with a friend who loved it. In our discussion of the movie I hypothesized that Brazil is too far removed for me to identify with the characters. I'm not sure, but something kept me from letting it touch me. > I that idiot Spielberg takes awards again well... I haven't seen Munich and I have no immediate desire to do so, but Spielberg was overlooked by the academy for many years. I think that many of his movies are extraordinary. I used to be a basher, but meanwhile I've converted. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 01:33:05 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Why does the Academy hate... On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > I saw City of God when I was in Miami Beach and I was one of the few > people who did not like it. I'm not saying it's not a good movie, but it > was too bleak for my taste. I went with a friend who loved it. In our > discussion of the movie I hypothesized that Brazil is too far removed > for me to identify with the characters. I'm not sure, but something kept > me from letting it touch me. There are only two films in recent memory that I've immediately restarted for a second viewing in one sitting: City Of God and Primer. I've yet to see City Of God for a third time (and won't likely unless it's to watch with someone in particular), but I've seen Primer at least a dozen times since. I didn't know The Constant Gardener was done by the fellow who did City Of God, but that makes it more appealing. It's on the kitchen table at the moment. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:07:43 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Byrds and UK releases Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:40:22 -0600 > From: 2fs > Subject: Re: Fleece and Firkin: something of a disappointment > I suppose it's maybe more surprising not to be familiar enough with > the song to play a rudimentary but not wrong part even w/o having > actually played it before. Although having said that, and having just > now tried to work out a bass part for the song in my head, I realize > the song's trickier than I would have guessed - the rhythms aren't as > regular and predictable as some songs, and the chords sometimes change > at unexpected moments. Now if he'd muffed up the bass playing because, > he said, "I'd never played 'Louie Louie' before," that wouldn't make > much sense. I'm pretty sure that - once overcoming the physical > obstacles - I could train our cats to play the bass part to "Louie > Louie." Whoever's bass I borrowed would want to know why there's catfood on > the fretboard probably though. (New album title! "Catfood on the > Fretboard"! > > Yours for the asking!) * Chris Ofili could make a fortune with it. > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:09:48 -0800 > From: Spotted Eagle Ray > Subject: Re: Fleece and Firkin: something of a disappointment / > admittedly boring parsing of the chord structure to an old-ass song > Case in point re: the bass part on this particular song, avec content du > Robyn: there is some slight uncertainty as to where the bassline is > intended to start. On the single as released Hillman starts on a high note > which I think is a D or in any event the note in the run the precedes the > low E root note every other time it's played. I could be wrong and it may > be the E itself an octave higher, but it's certainly not the low E that > falls on the "1" of every other measure of the instrumental sections. And > if you spin the alternate ("RCA") take of the song recorded at roughly the > same time, Hillman starts on the low E. I've therefore always thought that > the single version starts with a "mistake" that the band found more > interesting than the normal version and released for that reason (I mean, > they must've known they were releasing something pretty damned bizarre for > its time either way).. * I've always started on a low E myself. Maybe I've never heard the single? > Now if you listen to the cover by Robyn & The Egyptians, you can even hear > them kind of discussing this intro ("What's the start?") before Andy hops > into the song with the *low E* per either the "alternate version" or just > general bass-player logic (and he clearly knows how to play the rest of it). > By contrast, on Husker Du's version, Bob Mould plays the opening bass part > on his guitar, leading off with the higher note that I think is a D, just > like on the release version of the Byrds single. > Okay, now who wants to fight about the various releases of "Lady Friend"? * Yes, I'm up for that. For years and years you could only get the mono mix in the UK. I assume that this has now changed with more 60s records available than there ever were in the 60s... > Do you know what the reason was for no QUEEN ELVIS (the LP) in the UK? > Did GLOBE OF FROGS sell poorly in the UK? Michael B. * The weirdness of the UK record industry knows no bounds. I remember Donovan performing "Sunshine Superman" on black and white TV months before the record was issued. But Pye were notorious - they didn't issue the stereo version of "Safe as Milk" either. > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:00:52 -0800 > From: Eb > Subject: Re: Fleece and Firkin: something of a disappointment > Lordy. I applaud any time Robyn's choices in cover songs aren't > painfully predictable. * I'm afraid that a Byrds cover comes under the same painfully predictable heading of "RH - wacky psychedelic folk rocker" [see that "Guardian" item]. Admittedly 'Funkytown' and 'Kung Fu Fighting' are more unexpected. When was the last time he played "Rabbit train"? >> hah! joe belock on wfmu just played "give it to the soft boys" from >> matthijs' scala recording! > What do y'all make of the seemingly routine inclusion of this song in the > recent setlists? * Outrageous. I read it as meaning "Who cares about Kim, Morris and that other guy, Andy or whoever, or Wangbo Davis? I am the Soft Boys, me, alone, I did it! (And it still sounds to me like a rewrite of "From here on in, you will now be known as the spotlight kid"). - - Mike Godwin, playing a new copy of [you guessed it] Spotlight Kid / Clear Spot. PS I think I'm doomed never to hear "Trams of Old London" live. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:23:01 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: Byrds and UK releases On 2/1/06, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > > > Okay, now who wants to fight about the various releases of "Lady > Friend"? > > * Yes, I'm up for that. For years and years you could only get the mono > mix in the UK. I assume that this has now changed with more 60s records > available than there ever were in the 60s... It's a bonus track on the appropriate reissued LP now... forget which one, probably "Notorious". Its first appearance on CD was in the '80's on "Never Before", with guitar and drums overdubbed IN the '80's. This was widely reviled, but I didn't know it was reconfigured until the box set came out with the "normal" version, and I think "Never Before" is now out of print... but I played it to death and therefore have heard, and still perversely enjoy, the bastardized version more than the original. ("Never Before" was also the first official release with the alternate "Eight Miles High", the one that starts with the low E...) - -Rx, total Nyrd ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #28 *******************************