From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V15 #11 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 11 2006 Volume 15 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads [Tom Clark ] Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads ["Stewart C. Russell" ] So Pleased ... [FSThomas ] RE: David Byrne/Talking Heads ["michael wells" ] Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads [Eb ] Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads [2fs ] Oh, one bit of Rei Momo trivia [Eb ] Huh! [Eb ] Re: Huh! [Spotted Eagle Ray ] RE: Oh, one bit of Rei Momo trivia ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Huh! ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: Huh! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Huh! ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Huh! [2fs ] Re: Huh! [Dolph Chaney ] the cd that all the fegs are raving about [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads [] Re: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads [Spotted Eagle Ray ] Re: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Huh! [Spotted Eagle Ray ] Re: robyn posters etc. [Tom Clark ] Re: robyn posters etc. [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Huh! [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:30:26 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads On Jan 10, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Tom Clark wrote: >> -tc, still trying to decide if the Talking Heads Brick is >> worth exploring... > > With the first four out today on their own and the latter > four due out on Valentine's Day, and the prices in most > places seeming to make it a financial wash (though the > brick does provide a plastic box with raised lettering on > the sides ...oooh), I'm inclined to think it isn't at this > point unless you get a good deal on it. Might as well by > them singlularly (plus, that way you can skip _Tue > Stories._) Ah, thanks for the "heads" up! - -tc, thank you, please tip your waitress. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:34:08 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads Eb wrote: > > They're all good except maybe True Stories Hey, I love True Stories! cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:52:22 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: So Pleased ... Just got two tickets for The Wedding Present's March 3rd show at The E.A.R.L. here in Atlanta. Looks like they might be doing an in-store at Criminal Records the day of, too. w00t! - -ferris. - -- FS Thomas | Interactive Developer | fsthomas@ochremedia.com 404.758.8616 (home/office) | 404.274.1632 (mobile) | ferraatu (AIM) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:35:19 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: David Byrne/Talking Heads CT: > was wondering if anyfeg could recommend >a particular TH album that I ought to begin with? I'd also be interested >to hear what people think about Byrne's solo work. IMO Dolph's decision tree was right on, well done. If you're starting fresh on Byrne solo I'd say go with REI MOMO, though you might find the rest goes a bit downhill. TC: > thank you, please tip your waitress I'm still boggling over the Lou Rawls - Gang of Four riff. Wondering why JH3 hasn't come after me for using quotes in my sig again, Michael "it must all be part of his master plan" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:42:58 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads > If you're starting fresh > on Byrne solo I'd say go with REI MOMO, though you might find the > rest goes > a bit downhill. Jeez...I think that's one of his worst ones. It's kinda like the True Stories of his solo career -- bland commercial songs, just shooting for airplay. I never understood why his self-titled solo album didn't draw more notice. I thought it was fantastic. My favorite one except for The Catherine Wheel, and the CW is in sort of a different conceptual category. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:50:42 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads On 1/10/06, Eb wrote: > I never understood why his self-titled solo album didn't draw more > notice. I thought it was fantastic. My favorite one except for The > Catherine Wheel, and the CW is in sort of a different conceptual > category. I also like the self-titled one. His more recent material (what I've heard of it) sounds reasonably good, but not compelling. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:59:03 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Oh, one bit of Rei Momo trivia I think it might be the very first place the now-ubiquitous Jon Brion received credit on a record. He plays harmonium on a single track. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:27:04 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Huh! Did folks hear that the Decemberists signed with *Capitol*? I don't recall seeing mention of it here, and I know they have many Feggy fans. It's awfully rare nowadays when an indie-rock type band *which I like* establishes itself on the indie level for a solid period of time, and then moves up to a major. Happened all the time during the early/mid '90s, but...in recent years? Pretty rare. Snow Patrol is the only other recent example I can think of, off the top of my head. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:38:53 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: Huh! On 1/11/06, Eb wrote: > > Did folks hear that the Decemberists signed with *Capitol*? I don't > recall seeing mention of it here, and I know they have many Feggy fans. > > It's awfully rare nowadays when an indie-rock type band *which I > like* establishes itself on the indie level for a solid period of > time, and then moves up to a major. Happened all the time during the > early/mid '90s, but...in recent years? Pretty rare. Snow Patrol is > the only other recent example I can think of, off the top of my head. Huh, weird. Snow Patrol is British, right? US vs. UK, things work differently. But the majors in the US probably wish to hell they had acts like, say, Arcade Fire and Interpol. And are pissed to have publicly, spectacularly, lost Wilco. Who with any real "street cred" can the majors claim besides, say, Radiohead, the old guard unimpeachable folks like U2, and a few accidental holdovers like Flaming Lips? The major labels have every reason to be desperate. I'm not a huge Decemberists fan, but maybe this marks a sea change? - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:20:34 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Oh, one bit of Rei Momo trivia >I think it might be the very first place the now-ubiquitous Jon Brion >received credit on a record. He plays harmonium on a single track. Probably true, as the 4th Til Tuesday album never came out and a bulk of the tunes ended up on the Aimee Mann "Whatever" album from 1993. Jon was in the later day Til Tuesday line-up circa 1989-91 after the original band fell apart during the recording of "Everything's Different Now" in 1988. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:22:43 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: David Byrne/Talking Heads talking heads were always evolving - so it's hard to make a recommendation for just one - except for recent compilations - but - for what it's worth - freshest sounding album : Talking Heads 77 ( debut ) ( Psycho Killer , Pulled Up, Uh Oh Love Comes To Town ) most experimental - Remain In Light ( Once In A Lifetime , Cross-Eyed and Painless) most accessible - Speaking In Tongues ( Burning Down The House , This Must Be The Place) they have all been re-issued in a box set with extra goodies - not sure if they are available separately yes - but should be soon . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:24 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: robyn posters etc. _http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx?ArtistID=6003&RefineCategoryID=&is =text_ (http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx?ArtistID=6003&RefineCategoryID=&is=text) _http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx?ArtistID=6010&RefineCategoryID=&is =text_ (http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx?ArtistID=6010&RefineCategoryID=&is=text) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:31:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Huh! Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > Snow Patrol is British, right? US vs. UK, things work > differently. But the majors in the US probably wish to > hell they had acts like, say, Arcade Fire > and Interpol. And are pissed to have publicly, > spectacularly, lost Wilco. Nonesuch isn't major label? It's just as much Warner Bros as Reprise is. > Who with any real "street cred" can the majors claim > besides, say, Radiohead, the old guard unimpeachable folks > like U2, and a few accidental holdovers like Flaming Lips? Beck, Death Cab, Modest Mouse, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand. The Killers? ;) > The major labels have every reason to be desperate. I'm > not a huge Decemberists fan, but maybe this marks a sea > change? "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg "Now I am going to tell you how we are not going to fight communism. We are not going to transform our fine FBI into a Gestapo secret police. That is what some people would like to do. We are not going to try to control what our people read and say and think. We are not going to turn the United States into a right-wing totalitarian country in order to deal with a left-wing totalitarian threat." - Harry S Truman . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:35:41 -0500 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Re: Huh! >On 1/11/06, Eb wrote: >> >> Did folks hear that the Decemberists signed with *Capitol*? I don't >> recall seeing mention of it here, and I know they have many Feggy >fans. I heard there was a bit of a bidding war too. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:20:09 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Huh! Eb wrote: > Did folks hear that the Decemberists signed with *Capitol*? Yes. They are huge sellouts, and I have shredded all my Decemberists CDs. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:04:32 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Huh! *whispers* None. more. over-rated. >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Reply-To: "Stewart C. Russell" >To: fgz >Subject: Re: Huh! >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:20:09 -0500 > >Eb wrote: >>Did folks hear that the Decemberists signed with *Capitol*? > >Yes. They are huge sellouts, and I have shredded all my Decemberists CDs. > > Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:31:36 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Huh! On 1/11/06, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > > Who with any real "street cred" can the majors claim > > besides, say, Radiohead, the old guard unimpeachable > folks > > like U2, and a few accidental holdovers like Flaming > Lips? > > Beck, Death Cab, Modest Mouse, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand. > > The major labels have every reason to be desperate. Even though Jeff's list above is relatively significant, Rex's statement above is still true: Except for Radiohead and (bizarrely) Flaming Lips (add Mercury Rev, btw), none of these acts were signed originally and developed by major labels. (U2 is sort of an exception...but Island, their original label, I think was still indie when U2 signed.) In other words, major labels are utterly parasitic on indies for finding new talent. At some level, I think they know that most of their big-selling stars don't have catalog work in them (and a lot of profit, historically, comes from back catalog) and will be utterly forgotten within a year or so. (Several copies of _Jagged Little Pill_ in the $2 "clearance" bin at a used record store the other day - and compared with yr Britneys, Alanis Morisette is freakin' Dylan in terms of talent.) Then again, this has usually been the case: the mega-consolidation only ever accidentally found new acts, usually when a tidal wave of newness freaked out old-guard execs, who panicked and signed everything in sight in hopes of lighting upon the Next Big Thing (late sixties, early nineties are two examples). (I still don't understand how it happened that bands like Flaming Lips or Mercury Rev ended up on major labels from their first album...although I think MR had an ep or something on a dinky label. Or is that just their British label?) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:45:18 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Huh! At 09:31 AM 1/11/2006, 2fs wrote: >(I still don't understand how it happened that bands like Flaming Lips >or Mercury Rev ended up on major labels from their first >album...although I think MR had an ep or something on a dinky label. >Or is that just their British label?) HIT TO DEATH IN THE FUTURE HEAD, the Lips' WB debut, was their 5th full-length album. Your point about the Rev is well-taken, except that Jonathan Donohue had made 2 albums with the Lips by the time of YERSELF IS STEAM and was probably considered a reasonable risk. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: the cd that all the fegs are raving about Hey Fegs - What's that UK cd that so many of you have been raving about? Is it called Marshmallow? Was it released last year, or is it older than that? =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:24:21 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: the cd that all the fegs are raving about >=jbj= >Hey Fegs - >What's that UK cd that so many of you have been raving about? >Is it called Marshmallow? Was it released last year, or is it older than >that? 2003 release in the UK. Nice poppy sound. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:27:58 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: RE: the cd that all the fegs are raving about >> Is it called Marshmallow? Was it released last year, or is it older than >> that? Is there a standout track from it? Would someone mind emailing me a favorite track from it to barrington@gmail.com?? Its for a personal project. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:31:17 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: Huh! On 1/11/06, 2fs wrote: > > > Even though Jeff's list above is relatively significant, Rex's > statement above is still true: Except for Radiohead and (bizarrely) > Flaming Lips (add Mercury Rev, btw), none of these acts were signed > originally and developed by major labels. (U2 is sort of an > exception...but Island, their original label, I think was still indie > when U2 signed.) And even though most everything Jeffrey goes on to say is true, Jeff actually did totally deflate and refute a poorly reasoned and flawed argument on my part. I really had been saying that there was a trend among (North?) American indie bands away from even bothering with the step where they sign to a major. Jeff provided copious counterexamples. I still think that newer indie bands are more likely to stick to indie labels than they might once have been; it seems like the ratio of big label horror stories to valid examples of DIY success make many bands being courted by majors think twice more often, and for better reasons. Or maybe they're just all poseurs who say that in interviews to sound "cool". > (Several copies of _Jagged Little Pill_ > in the $2 "clearance" bin at a used record store the other day - and > compared with yr Britneys, Alanis Morisette is freakin' Dylan in terms > of talent.) Nah, those got resold because aging coffee-drinkers replaced their yucky old "rock" versions of that album with the more-agreeable acoustic anniversary edition available exclusively at Starbucks. - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:53:22 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads Eb writes, > I never understood why his self-titled solo album didn't draw more > notice. I thought it was fantastic. I agree! Though I think that Rei Momo has a few really good tracks, "David Byrne" is great. I also like his recent one, too. I must admit, I think his solo career has produced some uneven albums -- none with the genius of the Talking Heads -- but I tend to listen to the late solo works much more than the first few. I got the Talking Heads brick for Christmas. It's...awesome. The 5.1 mixes sound fantastic, and the extras are pretty cool -- though oddly, a few crucial videos are missing, such as "Once In a Lifetime." The CD "Remain In Light" probably benefits the most from the remastering and remixing -- though I rank RiL in my Top Ten Albums of All Time, so I am biased! The "brick" also made me remember how much I loved "Naked." Heck, I even *like* "Little Creatures," though I think it is their weakest album. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:32:03 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads On 1/11/06, quail@libyrinth.com wrote: > I got the Talking Heads brick for Christmas. It's...awesome. The 5.1 mixes > sound fantastic, and the extras are pretty cool -- though oddly, a few > crucial > videos are missing, such as "Once In a Lifetime." Wow! That's one of the most important works the band produced. And one of the best-remembered. And hell, I'd call it a seminal, iconic representation of everything good about the '80's, but I may be biased, since seeing that video on SCTV was probably THE thing that got me interested in rock and roll. It's beyond strange that it would be omitted. (I assume it is on the DVD that comes with last year's box set-- the expanded version of "Storytelling Giant"?) The CD "Remain In Light" > probably benefits the most from the remastering and remixing -- though I > rank RiL in my Top Ten Albums of All Time, so I am biased! I think a lot of fegs rank it similarly, including me. > > The "brick" also > made me remember how much I loved "Naked." I'm glad someone tossed that into the discussion... it's really unfairly dismissed. The last time I heard it, it struck me as dated for the first time, but still, solid set of songs, great performances. > Heck, I even *like* "Little > Creatures," though I think it is their weakest album. I rate it above "True Stories". But in both cases, when I actually hear the albums, I find them pretty damned good. I've never warmed much to solo David Byrne, although it's not bad. Talking Heads are one of those weird rare bands where, even though one person is the clear motivating creative force, the band (in this case including ancillary musicians, I think) is so much more than the sum of its parts-- the next best example I can think of is The Pixies. Talking Heads would, I think, be capable of a more rewarding reunion run than many of the bands who have gone that route so far. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:15:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Huh! Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > I still think that newer indie bands are more likely to > stick to indie labels than they might once have been; it > seems like the ratio of big label horror stories to valid < examples of DIY success make many bands being courted by > majors think twice more often, and for better reasons. Also, with the rise of Amazon.com and other e-retailers, the major advantage that the majors labels had over indies is diminished: distribution. Not that it isn't still a factor -- DCFC cited Atlantic's distribution advantages over Barsuk's as a major reason why they signed with Atlantic -- but it far less of a factor now, since if you can't find, say, the new Harvey Danger album in any local stores, you can just order it off the web, whereas 10 years ago, that wasn't as feasible. Or maybe Thurston Moore just has fewer friends in their early 20s with bands these days. > Or maybe > they're just all poseurs who say that in interviews to > sound "cool". > > > (Several copies of _Jagged Little Pill_ > > in the $2 "clearance" bin at a used record store the > > other day - and compared with yr Britneys, Alanis > > Morisette is freakin' Dylan in terms of talent.) > > Nah, those got resold because aging coffee-drinkers > replaced their yucky old "rock" versions of that album with > the more-agreeable acoustic anniversary > edition available exclusively at Starbucks. Now, now. It was only exclusively at Starbucks for 6 weeks. You can get it regular record stores now. Also, I think she released a greatest hits type record for Christmas sales. Think she's trying to burn off the rest of her Warners deal so she can go be on Kill Rock Stars or Yep Roc or Anti/Epitaph? "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg "Now I am going to tell you how we are not going to fight communism. We are not going to transform our fine FBI into a Gestapo secret police. That is what some people would like to do. We are not going to try to control what our people read and say and think. We are not going to turn the United States into a right-wing totalitarian country in order to deal with a left-wing totalitarian threat." - Harry S Truman . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:45:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Re: David Byrne/Talking Heads Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > (I assume [the video to "Once in a Lifetime"] is on the > DVD that comes with last year's box set-- the expanded > version of "Storytelling Giant"?) Yes, it is. > > The CD "Remain In Light" probably benefits the most > > from the remastering and remixing -- though I > > rank RiL in my Top Ten Albums of All Time, so I am > > biased! > > I think a lot of fegs rank it similarly, including me. FEAR OF MUSIC!! FEAR OF MUSIC!! FEAR OF MUSIC!! > > The "brick" also > > made me remember how much I loved "Naked." > > I'm glad someone tossed that into the discussion... it's > really unfairly dismissed. The last time I heard it, it > struck me as dated for the first > time, but still, solid set of songs, great performances. It's not quite as good that first four, but I'd rank as easily the strongest of the latter four albums they did. And "Nothing But Flowers" is easily one of my two or three favorite individual TH songs. > > Heck, I even *like* "Little > > Creatures," though I think it is their weakest album. > > I rate it above "True Stories". But in both cases, when > I actually hear the albums, I find them pretty damned good. OF course, part of the problem with both of them is that it is one album recording session artificially separated out into the songs that were saved for the movie and the ones that weren't. A friend of mine way back then -- with cassettes mind you, so it took a bit of time -- cobbled together what he decided the single album from the "Little Stories/True Creatures" sessions should have been. I think it had 7 LC songs and 4 TS songs. I seem to remember liking it better than either. I think the running order was something pretty similar to this: SIDE 1: And She Was/Puzzlin' Evidence/Creatures Of Love/Give Me Back My Name/Television Man/Perfect World SIDE 2: Wild Wild Life/The Lady Don't Mind/Dream Operator/Love For Sale/Road To Nowhere with the following songs left off: From LC: Stay Up Late/Walk It Down From TS: Hey Now/Papa Legba/Radio Head/People Like Us/City Of Dreams "Stay Up Late"'s status as a single and "City of Dreams" presence on both _Sand in the Vaseline_ and the _Once in a Lifetime_ box indicate that the band rate them higher than he did (or I do; well, I probably would have put CoD on the fictional album). "A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer." -- Mitch Hedberg "Now I am going to tell you how we are not going to fight communism. We are not going to transform our fine FBI into a Gestapo secret police. That is what some people would like to do. We are not going to try to control what our people read and say and think. We are not going to turn the United States into a right-wing totalitarian country in order to deal with a left-wing totalitarian threat." - Harry S Truman . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:47:44 -0800 From: Spotted Eagle Ray Subject: Re: Huh! On 1/11/06, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > Now, now. It was only exclusively at Starbucks for 6 weeks. > You can get it regular record stores now. Also, I think she > released a greatest hits type record for Christmas sales. > Think she's trying to burn off the rest of her Warners deal > so she can go be on Kill Rock Stars or Yep Roc or Anti/Epitaph? That was a weird 2005 sub-trend: artists releasing inessential re-recordings of their previous work. Alanis, Gang of Four, Frank Black, and Patti Smith all did it to one extent or another... PS's was a live bonus disc, but it was a whole new version of Horses, so that seems to count for something. (Or was Frank Black's thing 2004?) - -Rx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:49:04 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: robyn posters etc. On Jan 11, 2006, at 5:33 AM, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > _http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx? > ArtistID=6003&RefineCategoryID=&is > =text_ > (http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx? > ArtistID=6003&RefineCategoryID=&is=text) > > _http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx? > ArtistID=6010&RefineCategoryID=&is > =text_ > (http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx? > ArtistID=6010&RefineCategoryID=&is=text) They have some nice memorabilia at that site - some so rare it's not even for sale. I bought the Soft Boys at The Fillmore poster a while ago. Still need to get it framed. And my wife surprised me with this Zappa shirt for xmas: http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/images/catalog/detail/ZZZ001666-MR.jpg Rock on, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:08:33 -0800 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: robyn posters etc. On 11.01.2006, at 10:49, Tom Clark wrote: > I bought the Soft Boys at The Fillmore poster a while ago. Still need > to get it framed. And my wife surprised me with this Zappa shirt for > xmas: > http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/images/catalog/detail/ZZZ001666-MR.jpg > Does this mean my vintage, worn once or twice, "Phi Zappa Krappa" tee is a collectors item? - - c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:07:26 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Huh! Spotted Eagle Ray wrote: > Who with any real "street cred" can the majors claim besides, say, > Radiohead, the old guard unimpeachable folks like U2, and a few > accidental holdovers like Flaming Lips? Well, there are a few latter-day signings of solid, indie-mentality bands which I don't personally enjoy. Such as Rilo Kiley, Death Cab for Cutie and Modest Mouse. Or, from my own world, there are the Futureheads, the Go! Team, Grandaddy, Sonic Youth (though I guess you'd call them an "accidental holdover," and I believe they're going "indie" again after the next album anyway), PJ Harvey, the Strokes, Supergrass, Hot Hot Heat, Queens of the Stone Age.... Stewart: > Yes. They are huge sellouts, and I have shredded all my Decemberists CDs. You're not serious, are you? Actually, I think the Decemberists belong on a major label. They're highly accessible and shouldn't need to compromise their sound at all, and Capitol may get them radio/video play and a big jump in popularity. They could easily get picked up by the John Mayer/James Blunt/David Gray demographic, with some extra exposure. Jeff: > In other words, major labels are utterly parasitic on indies for finding new talent. Well, my point was almost the opposite...that so few indie bands are moving up nowadays, unless it's right at the beginning. And why *shouldn't* majors look to indie labels? Would you rather they *ignore* grassroot talents? Speaking of indie/major issues, I also hear that Nellie McKay has been dropped by Sony, immediately prior to her new album being released. Probably not a good career development for her...she's a bit too new and unproven to pigeonhole herself as a "difficult artist." I was listening to the new reissue of Patti Smith's "Horses" this morning. Two things which I either never noticed or simply forgot: How she starts audibly beating her chest about two minutes into "Break It Up" (neat!), and how she returns to a few lyrics from "Gloria" at the end of "Land." Huh. Also, the bonus 2005 live disc is *damn* good. I always have misgivings about reissues being bloated with second discs, but the addition turns out to be warranted in this case. It's amazing how fresh the music still sounds onstage -- I can imagine this exact album coming out from a new artist on Sub Pop or Matador today, and becoming just as much of a huge critics' favorite. It *still* pushes the envelope, Patti's intonation is miles better, and the new text is mostly excellent. My only misgivings were that the full-on "Gloria" reprise in "Land" is a bit of an overkill, and the new reference to Blackberries mildly dates the disc. Oh, and the chorus of "Break It Up" isn't as good as the original -- Patti barely hits the high note, and I don't like how the backing singers choppily bark "Breakitup" instead of the original "Breakituuuuuuuuuup." Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V15 #11 *******************************