From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #257 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 2 2005 Volume 14 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The horror...the horror [The Great Quail ] Hollow weenies ["rubrshrk" ] RE: The horror...the horror ["michael wells" ] RE: Robyn tunings help ["michael wells" ] Re: The horror...the horror [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V14 #256 [Michael R Godwin ] RE: The horror...the horror ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: The horror...the horror [Jeff Norman ] Re: The horror...the horror [The Great Quail ] Re: The horror...the horror ["Melissa" ] RE: The horror...the horror ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: The horror...the horror [Steve Talkowski ] Re: The horror...the horror [Eb ] Re: The horror...the horror [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: The horror...the horror ["Bachman, Michael" ] "Love" Cover ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: Halloween Flicks [2and2makes5@comcast.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:01:33 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: The horror...the horror Scariest movies for me? 1. Alien/The Shining. Both of these movies traumatized me when I was a kid, and they still freak me out a bit. And both are exquisitely well-made. 2. Jacob's Ladder. Yep. Freaks me out. But that dancing demon scene is kind of hot. 3. Blair Witch Project. I know -- "the hype." But I still can't sleep in a tent without gnawing on this movie, And the way the characters all go nutty on each other. 4. X-Files episode, "Toombs," the one about the liver-eating stretchy guy. There's a lot of X-Files episodes which scared me, but this is the winner. 5. That Twin Peaks episode with the fucking owls, where Bob's face is superimposed -- fuck, I hate owls. And "Fire Walk With Me" creeps me out, too. 6. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (The 70s version) It's the pointing and screeching. 7. Dead Ringers. I feel like I should take a shower after this film. 8. 28 Days Later. Really keeps me tense, very very tense. 9. The Ring (US version). I think it's actually kind of creepy, even though most of it's become a clichi. 10. Session 9. More creepiness. Favorite horror movies that I *love* but really don't scare/creep me out/freak me out that much: 1. Jaws 2. The Thing 3. The Exorcist 4. Dagon 5. Audition 6. The Others 7. Se7en 8. Ei8ht 9. The Mouth of Madness 10. Hellraiser Have you guys been watching "Supernatural?" It's kinda cheesy good! - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:50:07 +0000 From: "rubrshrk" Subject: Hollow weenies Nothing competes with _Army of Darkness_ for my happy Halloween entertainment dollar. That is one of a handful of movies I could probably stand to see about a thousand more times. Evil Dead II may be a better movie, but I just love to watch AoD overandoverandover. I adore _Repo Man_- and it kinda works for Halloween viewing. I saw "The Shining" on the day it openned in LA. It had a couple of parts in it that they took out that night- I don't know if they have since reappeared in director's cut things. I thought it was extremely well done- I'm not a big fan of Stephen "word processing horror machine" King, but really liked how the flick was made. Frighteners was okay. I kind of didn't like "The Ruling Class" turn it takes toward the end, though. I suppose I mostly just like horror if it is very funny or much older, like "The Birds" or an old Karloff movie. Or if Eddie Tews is in it. Happies, - -Mark "Gimme some sugar, baby" G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:18:58 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: The horror...the horror > 1. Alien/The Shining. For sheer brooding claustrophobia, I think Alien is one of the best films ever made. Alan Dean Foster did the book, but I can't recall if it was written before or after the film (ISTR it being the latter). It was the first movie to give me that same creepy feeling that reading Lovecraft did. > 2. Jacob's Ladder. Yep. Freaks me out. But that dancing demon scene is kind of hot. One of my all-time faves! Two of the deleted scenes - the blood dripping from the ceiling, and the "flickering black devil" one - are scarier than anything that made it into the commercial release. Plus you get to see Elizabeth Pena's ninnies. I saw the first run of this in grad school, and on a Saturday night in a college town (late show, between bar runs) the place was packed. After about five minutes you could hear a pin drop. I think I have a weird sense of what's scary; "Carrie" gave me the willies but I thought "The Exorcist" was laughable. "Rosemary's Baby" freaked me out for a solid three months. Gratuitous torture and rape scenes, especially long, premeditated ones, are never fun...and where would we all be without "Motel Hell"? Where, I ask you? Michael "the phone call is coming from inside the house" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:23:08 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: Robyn tunings help >> Robyn says he never messed with alternate tunings until Moss Elixir. >> Not to say you couldn't work out nice-sounding versions with other >> tunings. Strangely enough (because I'm playing less and less these days), I was watching "Storefront" again last night and saw Robyn play 'Airscape' entirely in the first position. I had to pick up my guitar and re-figure it out then and there, because I always assumed he went I-V-VII with the opens ringing out. Weird that the topic popped back up at the same time. MW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:31:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The horror...the horror >> 1. Alien/The Shining. > > For sheer brooding claustrophobia, I think Alien is one of the best > films > ever made. Someone needs to see Das Boot. ;) I'm not an especially big fan of Alien. "Brooding" winds too close to "dull" for me. When I was little, I remember having the crap scared out of me by a *made for TV* movie called...lemme check the web...."Death at Love House." I'd be curious to see this again, and see if its "scariness" was just a product of my tender age or not. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074384/ Bad Ebbald ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:36:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V14 #256 > fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 1 2005 Volume 14 : Number 256 Glad that so many other people rate 'Young Frankenstein'. Mel Brooks always gets terrible press coverage over here. Mind you, I'm the one person who enjoyed 'Spaceballs'. I am puzzled that no-one else rates 'An American Werewolf in London' as highly as I do. Of course my high rating of it is quite unconnected to the fact that Jenny Agutter has to appear nude, for artistic reasons. James, I love '7 Faces of Dr Lao'! Tony Randall at his incomparable best. Eb, do you think 'Wicker Man' stood up? I was a trifle disappointed last time I saw it. As for 'Don't look now' it brings back awful memories of 'Death in Venice', the most boring 5 hours I ever spent in a cinema. If I never see another grindingly slow pan across the lido it'll be too soon. - - Mike "more fucking gondolas" Godwin Still p. Davy Graham, She moved through the bizarre. Ground-breaking stuff, comparable to Bloomfield on East-West. PS Hi Ross! Hope you get this sometime in 2008. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:41:53 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: The horror...the horror His Quailness wrote: >2. Jacob's Ladder. Yep. Freaks me out. But that dancing demon scene is kind >of hot. I think it's Tim Robbins best acting job as well. >4. X-Files episode, "Toombs," the one about the liver-eating stretchy guy. >There's a lot of X-Files episodes which scared me, but this is the winner. Eugene Victor Toombs was the name of the liver-eating stretchy guy. >5. That Twin Peaks episode with the fucking owls, where Bob's face is >superimposed -- fuck, I hate owls. And "Fire Walk With Me" creeps me out, >too. "Fire Walk With Me" creeps me out as well. Bob behind the dresser, the painting on the wall that becomes real, Laura in the train car, so many others. Twin Peaks Season 2 will finally be released in DVD next year. Lynch and crew are working on it now. Michael B. NP Laura Cantrell - Not The Tremblin' Kind ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:27:29 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: The horror...the horror On Nov 1, 2005, at 6:01 PM, The Great Quail wrote: > 9. The Ring (US version). I think it's actually kind of creepy, > even though > most of it's become a clichi. I'm so glad I avoided the US version and saw the Japanese original first. Shot in grainy B&W, the shot with the woman emerging from the TV has to be one of the creepiest things I've ever seen. The US version was ok, but the director couldn't resist showing that TV shot from no less than three different angles with numerous cuts, which totally minimized the shock intended. A few weeks ago I watched for the first time the Rob Zombie film "House of 1000 Corpses" - this film was very creepy compelling, and I like how it avoided the typical slasher flick formula, even though it paid much homage to Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I was pleasantly surprised that this film had me captivated (not to mention totally freaked out) until the end. Oh, and the traumatization at age 10 by the Zuni doll that comes to life and terrorizes Karen Black in Trilogy of Terror (1975). - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:37:01 -0600 From: Jeff Norman Subject: Re: The horror...the horror On 11/2/05, Bachman, Michael wrote: > >5. That Twin Peaks episode with the fucking owls, where Bob's face is > >superimposed -- fuck, I hate owls. And "Fire Walk With Me" creeps me out, > >too. > > "Fire Walk With Me" creeps me out as well. Bob behind the dresser, the painting > on the wall that becomes real, Laura in the train car, so many others. Lynch is a master of making creepy things that, in themselves, wouldn't necessarily be creepy. Oh - and credit to Angelo Badalamente (Lynch's composer) for his contributions to same: a lot of FWWM, for instance, uses strings that sound as if they were recorded at twice the speed so they play slow - the sort of saw-y murkiness that effect creates definitely contributes to the creepiness of several scenes in FWWM. Oh - and the scene in _Lost Highway_ where Robert Blake says, "As a matter of fact, I'm there right now"... > Twin Peaks Season 2 will finally be released in DVD next year. Lynch and crew > are working on it now. Excellent! Finally! Does anyone know if a proper US issue of the pilot is due? I have one from Hong Kong or somewhere...but compared to the season one DVDs, it's like watching the show on a TV viewed through a neighbor's screen door (and it sounds that way too). Anyway: none of you, though, have cited the single most disturbing, creepy, and utterly horrifying scene I've ever seen on film: an apparently nude Joe Don Baker getting a massage from Linda Evans in the made-for-TV crapfest called _Mitchell_ (as seen on MST3K. Plus, it features a title song by Hoyt Axton!). And then he grabs a can of Bud with his toes. No lie. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:20:33 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: The horror...the horror Michael writes, > For sheer brooding claustrophobia, I think Alien is one of the best films > ever made. Alan Dean Foster did the book, but I can't recall if it was > written before or after the film (ISTR it being the latter). It was a novelization -- but one that had a lot of extra goodies in it. I remember reading that book over and over again when I was younger -- it was a scary book! (To a 13-year old.) >It was the > first movie to give me that same creepy feeling that reading Lovecraft did. Yeah...I once had the pleasure of being on a panel at a Lovecraft convention wherein we discussed film. I tried to make the case that the best Lovecraft films had nothing to do with Lovecraft -- "Alien," "Island of the Mushroom People," "Blair Witch Project," "Event Horizon," etc. I actually trace my own first Lovecraftian glimmer to the cartoon "Rikki Tikki Tavi," where the cobra says to the boy, "You move...you die. You don't move...you die." > I think I have a weird sense of what's scary; "Carrie" gave me the willies > but I thought "The Exorcist" was laughable. I don't think the Exorcist is laughable at all, but it doesn't scare me. (Demons and devils rarely do.) I love the film, though -- I love occult thrillers. I think the scariest part of "The Exorcist" is actually when she's getting all the medical tests.... Steve writes, > I'm so glad I avoided the US version and saw the Japanese original > first. I actually prefer the US version more. I think the Japanese version is less focused and less scary. > A few weeks ago I watched for the first time the Rob Zombie film > "House of 1000 Corpses" - this film was very creepy compelling, and I > like how it avoided the typical slasher flick formula, even though it > paid much homage to Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I was pleasantly > surprised that this film had me captivated (not to mention totally > freaked out) until the end. Holy shit! I forgot about that one. I *love* that movie. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:00:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Melissa" Subject: Re: The horror...the horror > I'm so glad I avoided the US version and saw the Japanese original first. Shot in grainy B&W, the shot with the woman emerging from the TV has to be one of the creepiest things I've ever seen. The US version was ok, but the director couldn't resist showing that TV shot from no less than three different angles with numerous cuts, which totally minimized the shock intended. not to mention the makeup on the dead/creepy. If I'm remembering correctly in the japanese version you get people with weird forzen expressions for the dead and possibly someting odd for the woman from the tv. In the us version people were green and fake looking kinda like the hanging people in the 6th sense. > Oh, and the traumatization at age 10 by the Zuni doll that comes to life and terrorizes Karen Black in Trilogy of Terror (1975). Ooh yes that was a favorite of mine too. I love horror films and have been trying to get my SO to watch some favorites like the Amityville Horror and The Changeling. Others I remember being creepy but haven't had the chance to rewatch include Burnt Offerings and the Sentinel, which I was convinced was the best horror film ever. I've been hooked since I saw part of Susperia when I was about 7 and was not allowed to finish watching it. Favorite silly horror film is Bubba Ho tep. We did have one person leave our screening at the giant bug scene though. melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:10:09 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: The horror...the horror On 11/2/05, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> >5. That Twin Peaks episode with the fucking owls, where Bob's face is >> >superimposed -- fuck, I hate owls. And "Fire Walk With Me" creeps me out, >> >too. > >> "Fire Walk With Me" creeps me out as well. Bob behind the dresser, the painting >> on the wall that becomes real, Laura in the train car, so many others. >> Twin Peaks Season 2 will finally be released in DVD next year. Lynch and crew >> are working on it now. Jeff: >Excellent! Finally! >Does anyone know if a proper US issue of the pilot is due? I have one >from Hong Kong or somewhere...but compared to the season one DVDs, >it's like watching the show on a TV viewed through a neighbor's screen >door (and it sounds that way too). I have the same crappy Hong Kong pilot! It's a shame really, as besides "Fire Walk With Me" it's the only Twin Peaks filmed in Washington state. The regular season shows were all filmed in LA except for some stock background footage of the Great Northern and other TP buildings. I have heard rumblings that other region Season 1 box sets have a remastered pilot included that blows away the separate Hong Kong pilot that we have. >Anyway: none of you, though, have cited the single most disturbing, >creepy, and utterly horrifying scene I've ever seen on film: an >apparently nude Joe Don Baker getting a massage from Linda Evans in >the made-for-TV crapfest called _Mitchell_ (as seen on MST3K. Plus, it >features a title song by Hoyt Axton!). > >And then he grabs a can of Bud with his toes. No lie. Don't forget that other MST3K horror gem, Manos:Hands of Fate. Michael B. ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:19:04 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: The horror...the horror At 01:10 PM 11/2/2005, Bachman, Michael wrote: >...besides >"Fire Walk With Me" it's the only Twin Peaks filmed in Washington state. Coincidentally, all this Lynch talk is happening just two days before I'm going to see David Lynch participate in a lecture/discussion panel titled "David Lynch: Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain": "Filmmaker David Lynch will speak on the creative process in filmmaking and how his 30 year practice of Transcendental Meditation has fostered his creativity and innovation. The three-time Oscar-nominated director, who is currently directing a new film, Inland Empire, will be joined by quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin, recently featured in the hit film What the Bleep Do We Know? and neuroscientist Dr. Fred Travis, director of the Center for Brain, Consciousness and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management." If I get a chance, I'll ask him about the pilot DVD. - --Jason "Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food." -- Anthony Bourdain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:26:08 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: The horror...the horror On Nov 2, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Don't forget that other MST3K horror gem, Manos:Hands of Fate. Useless bit of Steve trivia - I could never get in to MST3K. I remember when it first came out and everyone was raving about it. I tried watching a few episodes but would always get bored to tears with the inane commentary after 5-10 minutes. If it's such a bad movie to garner rip on status I'd much rather watch it straight and form my own opinion rather than listen to silhouettes rag on it for the duration. Different boats for different floats I imagine... - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:47:02 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The horror...the horror Steve Talkowski wrote: > Useless bit of Steve trivia - I could never get in to MST3K. > > I remember when it first came out and everyone was raving about > it. I tried watching a few episodes but would always get bored to > tears with the inane commentary after 5-10 minutes. It can be funny when they're "in the theater," but all the linking kiddie-TV scenes are just excruciatingly dull and tepid. Sinks the whole thing. A hugely overrated show, if you ask me. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The horror...the horror The Great Quail wrote: > 7. Se7en Is _Se7en_ really a horror film though? Yeah, it has a fair amount of gore, but when push comes to shove, it's really just a particularly grizzly crime drama. Same for _The Silence of the Lambs_, for that matter. "I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." -- Mitch Hedberg . __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:57:58 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: The horror...the horror On Nov 2, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> Don't forget that other MST3K horror gem, Manos:Hands of Fate. Steve cam eback with: >Useless bit of Steve trivia - I could never get in to MST3K. >I remember when it first came out and everyone was raving about it. >I tried watching a few episodes but would always get bored to tears >with the inane commentary after 5-10 minutes. >If it's such a bad movie to garner rip on status I'd much rather >watch it straight and form my own opinion rather than listen to >silhouettes rag on it for the duration. >Different boats for different floats I imagine... I watched it off and on the first few seasons and have a couple of the early shows on DVD. I lost interest when Joel left. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:46:19 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The horror...the horror On Nov 2, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Steve cam eback with: > >> Useless bit of Steve trivia - I could never get in to MST3K. > > I watched it off and on the first few seasons and have a couple of > the early > shows on DVD. I lost interest when Joel left. Don't forget the RH reference on MST3K. Wasn't it something along the lines of: "This is like a Hitchcock movie." "Yeah - *Robyn* Hitchcock!" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:04:21 -0500 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: "Love" Cover It appears our very own Christopher Hintz has done a cover of Robyn's "Love" I have not had a chance to hear it yet, and I hope he doesn't mind me posting this, but it is very on topic, and it does seem to be a public blog, so it can be found under October 25th here: http://www.everythingnotrelated.com - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:14:03 +0000 From: 2and2makes5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Halloween Flicks This reminds me--time to watch "Frankenhooker" again. > Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer freaked me out. For entertainment > value, I'd have to go w/ Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers. > > http://www.badmovies.org/movies/chainhooker/ > > Happy Halloween!! > > Terry E. 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