From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #253 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 29 2005 Volume 14 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Nigel (no crosses) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Nigel (no crosses) [Tulloch ] the question of the ages [bayard ] Bee-zarre [Eb ] Re: Bee-zarre [Steve Talkowski ] Morning Wood (Was: Go4) [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Morning Wood (Was: Go4) [Eb ] Re: Donovan VS Iggy [Barbara Soutar ] Re: Morning Wood (Was: Go4) [Steve Talkowski ] RE: Donovan VS Iggy ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: out [Jeff Norman ] Re: Donovan VS Iggy [Tom Clark ] Re: Donovan VS Iggy [Eb ] Re: hyperpedantiarianism [James Dignan ] it's easy [Jill Brand ] Stewart's suggestion [Jill Brand ] RE: Donovan VS Iggy [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Donovan VS Iggy [Eb ] chicago band teevee note ["michael wells" ] Re: Bee-zarre ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: hyperpedantiarianism [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:23:35 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Nigel (no crosses) James Dignan wrote: > > In other words, he has his future mapped out in the > world of big corporations and takeover bids. Was the UK so takeover-crazed back then? I place that as an 80s-90s thing. Andy ain't no Nostradamus. cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:46:38 +0100 (BST) From: Tulloch Subject: Re: Nigel (no crosses) I always believed that the song was about an early member of the band who left for a steady job at the Pressed Steel plant in Swindon. However, this quote from the excellent Chalkhills site contradicts this: Colin: Partly biographical, this one. My dad prompted me to write it. He wanted a University future for me and was very overpowering in trying to persuade me to get my haircut and stay on at school. It got to the point where he almost tried to drag me down the barber's shop by my hair. As it happens, the whole thing got decided by my headmaster who expelled me for keeping it long. My dad was a bit cut up, I think. I know the song tells of a slightly different situation but it all boils down to the same thing - parental domination. Looking back, I think he saw playing with Andy Partridge's mob as a bad influence on me. I think now he's proud of me, although he would never let on, he's that sort of bloke. http://chalkhills.org/reelbyreal/s_Making.html My mate Trevor from Swindon assures me that Pressed Steel was never part of British Steel and it has changed names and ownership many times over the years, currently being part of Honda (they make the car bodies rather than the steel itself). My own feeling is that XTC used 'British Steel' as it scans better than 'Pressed Steel' as well as being less of a local reference. Trevor was at the same school as Andy Partridge but doesn't have fond memories of him (to put it mildly!). Mind you, Trev's stories about Billie Piper's uncle have kept us entertained during many a tea-break at work... Tulloch (wearing his White Horse T-shirt and listening to Waxworks) James Dignan wrote: > > > We're only making plans for Nigel > > > He has his future in a British steel > > > > > > What on earth does that mean? "A British steel"? Is that a plant where > > > they make steel? > > > > I always heard it as "He has future in-a British steel", where >the "a" is an extra nonsense syllable on "in", in order to make the >line scan properly. > >Is the phrasing "a British Steel" meaningful, or is it just a Mark E. >Smith-uh like moment-uh? > >I assume, also, that "Steel" should be capped, as a ref to the actual >corporation of that name (not just generic "British steel")... It is the corporation ("in-a British Steel") but is also a pun ("in a British steal"). In other words, he has his future mapped out in the world of big corporations and takeover bids. Or at least that's how I always understood it. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand - -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. - -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= - --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: the question of the ages http://www.subrosa.arbre.us/SubRosaFishWorship.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:53:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Bee-zarre October 28, 2005 Good Smell Perplexes New Yorkers By KAREEM FAHIM An unseen, sweet-smelling cloud drifted through parts of Manhattan last night. Arturo Padilla walked through it and declared that it was awesome. "It's like maple syrup. With Eggos. Or pancakes," he said. "It's pleasant." The odor had followed Mr. Padilla and his friend along their walk in Lower Manhattan, from a dormitory on Fulton Street, to Pace University on Spruce Street, and back down again, to where they stood now, near a Dunkin' Donuts. Maybe it was from there, he said. But it wasn't. Mr. Padilla was not alone. Reports of the syrupy cloud poured in from across Manhattan after 9 p.m. Some feared that it was something sinister. There were so many calls that the city's Office of Emergency Management coordinated efforts with the Police and Fire Departments, the Coast Guard and the City Department of Environmental Protection to look into it. By 11 p. m., the search had turned up nothing harmful, according to tests of the air. Reports continued to come in from as far north as 112th Street shortly before midnight. In Lower Manhattan, where the smell had begun to fade, it was back, stronger than before, by 1 a.m. "We are continuing to sample the air throughout the affected area to make sure there's nothing hazardous," said Jarrod Bernstein, an emergency management spokesman. "What the actual cause of the smell is, we really don't know." There were conflicting accounts as to its nature. A police officer who had thrown out her French vanilla coffee earlier compared it to that. Two diplomats from the Netherlands disagreed, politely. Rieneke Buisman said it smelled like roasted peanuts. Her friend Joris Geeven said it reminded him of a Dutch cake called peperkoek, though he could not describe that smell. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:26:17 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Bee-zarre On Oct 28, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Eb wrote: > October 28, 2005 > Good Smell Perplexes New Yorkers > By KAREEM FAHIM > > An unseen, sweet-smelling cloud drifted through parts of Manhattan > last night. Arturo Padilla walked through it and declared that it was > awesome. > > "It's like maple syrup. With Eggos. Or pancakes," he said. "It's > pleasant." Yup, I smelled the exact same thing last night, a distinct maple syrup aroma. I wouldn't necessarily describe it as pleasant though. I didn't think anything about it until watching NY1 this morning and saw the story about a strange odor permeating throughout Manhattan. Weird. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:31:13 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Morning Wood (Was: Go4) On Oct 23, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Eb wrote: > The next act was Morningwood We (Guava) just put the finishing touches (digital compositing and FX work) on their new video, which will air on TRL Nov 7th. It's for the song "To the Nth degree", a rather catchy tune that's, coincidentally, serving double duty as background music to our newly cut demo reel. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:26:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Morning Wood (Was: Go4) >> The next act was Morningwood > > We (Guava) just put the finishing touches (digital compositing and > FX work) on their new video, which will air on TRL Nov 7th. How many cleavage shots does it contain? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:34:38 -0400 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: Donovan VS Iggy Michael R Godwin wrote: "The only thing to do is get hold of the original albums transferred to CD. 'Sunshine Superman' (US track listing) is still the best, but 'Fairytale', 'Mellow Yellow' and 'Hurdy Gurdy Man' are good too. PS Sorry it took 2 years to send this: I am just catching up on my unsent e-mail. I see Donovan's autobiography has just appeared in Waterstones." A surprised hello to you, I may just get the Sunshine Superman CD, it used to bring me such pleasure. Donovan's autobiography might be a good read, or has his life been uneventful since the 60's? Guess I'll have to find out. Thanks for the reply, and hope you're feeling well these days. Re: duct/duck tape We once lived in a co-op house that was full of grafitti... in the basement someone had spraypainted "Duct your head" on a low heating pipe... Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:49:03 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Morning Wood (Was: Go4) On Oct 28, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Eb wrote: >>> The next act was Morningwood >>> >> >> We (Guava) just put the finishing touches (digital compositing and >> FX work) on their new video, which will air on TRL Nov 7th. >> > > How many cleavage shots does it contain? Surprisingly, not that many. The idea of the video has the band spoofing album covers from various eras, with an emphasis on covers that feature portraits of the groups themselves. We see two hands flipping through a stack of old LPs, occasionally pulling one out here and there. We ended up doing lots of composites of scratched cellophane, damaged cardboard and adding stickers 'n such to the album covers, which come to life with footage of the band members contained within. There were no 3d elements used with this video, so me and my department had no direct involvement with this particular project. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:33:14 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Donovan VS Iggy I just heard on NPR radio that a 4 disc Donovan box set just got released. Michael B. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Barbara Soutar Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:35 PM To: FEGMANIAX Subject: Re: Donovan VS Iggy Michael R Godwin wrote: "The only thing to do is get hold of the original albums transferred to CD. 'Sunshine Superman' (US track listing) is still the best, but 'Fairytale', 'Mellow Yellow' and 'Hurdy Gurdy Man' are good too. PS Sorry it took 2 years to send this: I am just catching up on my unsent e-mail. I see Donovan's autobiography has just appeared in Waterstones." A surprised hello to you, I may just get the Sunshine Superman CD, it used to bring me such pleasure. Donovan's autobiography might be a good read, or has his life been uneventful since the 60's? Guess I'll have to find out. Thanks for the reply, and hope you're feeling well these days. Re: duct/duck tape We once lived in a co-op house that was full of grafitti... in the basement someone had spraypainted "Duct your head" on a low heating pipe... Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: out "Nora B." wrote: > George Takei A.K.A Star Trek's Sulu > http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid22037.asp Okay. People didn't know this already? I mean, I'm hardly that tapped into this sort of information, but this strikes me as being about as newsworthy as finding out Elton John is gay. "I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." -- Mitch Hedberg . __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:38:12 -0500 From: Jeff Norman Subject: Re: out On 10/28/05, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > "Nora B." wrote: > > George Takei A.K.A Star Trek's Sulu > > http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid22037.asp > > Okay. People didn't know this already? I mean, I'm hardly > that tapped into this sort of information, but this strikes > me as being about as newsworthy as finding out Elton John > is gay. Elton John is gay? Wow. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:50:15 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Donovan VS Iggy On Oct 28, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > I just heard on NPR radio that a 4 disc Donovan box set just got > released. > I've got the two CD "Troubadour" set, which contains all the Donovan music I really need (more, actually). Ever since seeing "Don't Look Back", whenever I listen to Donovan I just can't get past the way Dylan schooled him that hotel room in London. - -tc, hustlin' to have a little scene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:37:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Donovan VS Iggy > I just can't get past the way Dylan schooled him that hotel room in > London. That scene is so perfect. Maybe my favorite scene of the film. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:54:17 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: hyperpedantiarianism >I still prefer "duct tape". I also say ell-eee-dee for LED and do not >pronounce GIF like the peanut butter. Anyone who does is a looser. can I steal your pedant's crown by saying that I tend to annoy people by using the plural form CDs-ROM? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:30:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: it's easy Eb wrote: Boy...Gang of Four can't start a discussion, but duct tape can. What has this list come to? Clearly my thumb is of great interest to everyone. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:36:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Stewart's suggestion Stewart (who is a great lover of the Decemberists - trust me) suggested that the Decemberists should take a break from touring for a while. I'm here to say that they will be doing just that. Colin may tour solo in January. I rather like Robyn's contorted minotaur speech, mostly because my kids think it is so hilarious. I get a big kick out of watching them laugh. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: RE: Donovan VS Iggy On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, Bachman, Michael wrote: > I just heard on NPR radio that a 4 disc Donovan box set just got released. It's been out for a while http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AMWJ20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Barbara Soutar > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:35 PM > To: FEGMANIAX > Subject: Re: Donovan VS Iggy > > > Michael R Godwin wrote: > > "The only thing to do is get hold of the original albums transferred to CD. > > 'Sunshine Superman' (US track listing) is still the best, but > > 'Fairytale', 'Mellow Yellow' and 'Hurdy Gurdy Man' are good too. > > PS Sorry it took 2 years to send this: I am just catching up on my unsent > > e-mail. I see Donovan's autobiography has just appeared in Waterstones." > > A surprised hello to you, > > I may just get the Sunshine Superman CD, it used to bring me such > pleasure. Donovan's autobiography might be a good read, or has his life > been uneventful since the 60's? Guess I'll have to find out. Thanks for > the reply, and hope you're feeling well these days. > > Re: duct/duck tape > > We once lived in a co-op house that was full of grafitti... in the > basement someone had spraypainted "Duct your head" on a low heating pipe... > > Barbara Soutar > Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:01:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Donovan VS Iggy I always half-wonder if I need something more by Donovan. I have the cutout-bin staple "Donovan's Greatest Hits," plus the Sunshine Superman album. Is there essential stuff beyond that? R*nning out the door now, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:38:56 -0700 From: "michael wells" Subject: chicago band teevee note Catch The Redwalls on Leno next Friday night...they've got great chops, a nice garage-y sound and write good songs. From their people: "According to the Jay Leno homepage, The scheduled guests for November 1st are Jimmy Smits and Lisa Marie Presley. According to the NBC schedule, the scheduled guests are Pamela Anderson, Gabriel Iglesias and Hanna McEuen. So your guess is as good as ours. But The Redwalls are definitely on. Check it out." And while you're waiting, you could always sign up for the Zombie Anti-Defamation League: http://p.ookee.com/ Michael currently debating on buying that black and silver White Sox World Champions santa hat... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:10:47 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Bee-zarre Steve Talkowski wrote: > > Yup, I smelled the exact same thing last night, a distinct maple syrup > aroma. Heheh, the Canadian Mind Control Experiment is working ... cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:09:03 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: hyperpedantiarianism - -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on 29. Oktober 2005 12:54:17 +1300 regarding Re: hyperpedantiarianism: >> I still prefer "duct tape". I also say ell-eee-dee for LED and do not >> pronounce GIF like the peanut butter. Anyone who does is a looser. > > can I steal your pedant's crown by saying that I tend to annoy people by > using the plural form CDs-ROM? What's the rationale behind that? I understand why it's surgeons general etc., but that's because the second part is actually an adjective, right? I don't think CD-ROM works the same way. Spelled out it comes to "compact disc read-only memory". So shouldn't the plural be "compact disc read-only memories"? Oh, and I listened to some Gang Of Four snippets on iTMS after I read an interview, but I hated them. They are Wire without the knack (or will) for harmonies. I can sort of see why Bloc Party are compared to them, but fortunately they have more than one influence ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:28:06 -0500 From: Jeff Norman Subject: Re: hyperpedantiarianism On 10/29/05, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on > 29. Oktober 2005 12:54:17 +1300 regarding Re: hyperpedantiarianism: > > >> I still prefer "duct tape". I also say ell-eee-dee for LED and do not > >> pronounce GIF like the peanut butter. Anyone who does is a looser. > > > > can I steal your pedant's crown by saying that I tend to annoy people by > > using the plural form CDs-ROM? > > What's the rationale behind that? I understand why it's surgeons general > etc., but that's because the second part is actually an adjective, right? I > don't think CD-ROM works the same way. Spelled out it comes to "compact > disc read-only memory". So shouldn't the plural be "compact disc read-only > memories"? I would never use or insist on "CDs-ROM" (then again, I don't need to refer to them very often) but James' logic is sound. The object is a "disc"; all the other words work adjectivally to modify "disc"; therefore the plural of the "thing" would be "discs." Thus, I suppose, pluralizing the abbreviation yields "CDs-ROM." I'd argue against "CDs-ROM" on the grounds that the abbreviation has become its own noun, so to speak, independent of its origins as an abbreviation. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #253 ********************************