From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #252 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 28 2005 Volume 14 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Donovan VS Iggy [Michael R Godwin ] ducks and Sox and Decemberists [Jill Brand ] Re: ducks and Sox and Decemberists [Capuchin ] Re: attn: pedantic turbogeek in action ["Hurricane Jesus" ] reap [Eb ] Re: reap [Steve Talkowski ] RE: attn: pedantic turbogeek in action ["Michael Wells" ] assorted stuff ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Etaion shrd [James Dignan ] Nigel (no crosses) [James Dignan ] Re: Etaion shrd [Jeff Norman ] out ["Nora B." ] CHEF Alive I ["Hurricane Jesus" ] Re: CHEF Alive I [Eb ] Smithsonian Global Sound, free until Nov 23 [HSatterfld@aol.com] RE: attn: pedantic turbogeek in action ["Bachman, Michael" Subject: Re: Donovan VS Iggy On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Barbara Soutar wrote: > I got a lame "Best of Donovan" CD a few years ago that turned me off > totally. This one did not even have the original versions of the songs I > wanted, it was a gift from my nostalgic brother who thought I'd like it! The only thing to do is get hold of the original albums transferred to CD. 'Sunshine Superman' (US track listing) is still the best, but 'Fairytale', 'Mellow Yellow' and 'Hurdy Gurdy Man' are good too. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Captain Beefheart '81 Poop Hatch' PS Sorry it took 2 years to send this: I am just catching up on my unsent e-mail. I see Donovan's autobiography has just appeared in Waterstones. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: ducks and Sox and Decemberists I have learned a new use for duct/duck tape. I have had a wart on my thumb for quite some time, and when it started making writing with a pen/pencil difficult, I finally went to the doctor (because no home remedies were working). They now blast the thing every other week with liquid nitrogen, but between these lovely sessions, I'm supposed to use the acid goop daily and then wrap my finger with the aforementioned tape. Duct tape has a very strong adhesive, so it helps to rip away the dead skin and thereby expose the wart virus to the next nitrogen blast. Hey, I bet you all didn't really want to know all that, did you? Isn't it great that the Sox have won two years in a row? So who has gone to Decemberists shows this time around, and how were they? I went to three, all quite different, the Boston show being the best. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: ducks and Sox and Decemberists On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Jill Brand wrote: > So who has gone to Decemberists shows this time around, and how were > they? I saw one show in Los Angeles and one in Pomona. I'm seeing them tomorrow night in Seattle. I must say that Pomona and El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de Porciuncula (on the 14th) were very similar shows. Pomona did have a very nice Robynesque intro to Chimbley Sweep about how Colin saw Cheney on C-SPAN surveying the hurricane aftermath and he told the commentator that he understood the plight of these people. The commentator asked, then, how that was possible since Cheney grew up in such affluence. Cheney then denied growing up rich and pulled out an acoustic guitar. Rumsfeld soon entered to back him up and the song they sang went like this... It was good fun. Off to school, then on a train north. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:30:15 -0700 From: "Hurricane Jesus" Subject: Re: attn: pedantic turbogeek in action first off, given the subject-line, i feel bound to point up that it's "led", not "lead". second, given that robyn's story is set in the present, rather than during world war ii, then "duct" seems to be the more appropriate usage. however, the real proof is in the pudding: does he *pronounce* the "t", or not? KEN "Advanced prayer technologies" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:25:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Johnathan Vail" Subject: Re: attn: pedantic turbogeek in action > From: Jeff Norman > > On 10/25/05, Capuchin wrote: > >> nd, uh, the minotaurs, um, they have a lot of duck tape and they swaddle >> you in it (or Gaffer tape if you're watching in England). And you're >> swaddled in duck tape > > Agh. No: even though there happens to be a brand of the stuff that's > called "Duck Tape," the generic name for this oh-so-useful product is > "duct tape" (in the US, as Robyn helpfully points out). Not "duck > tape" - the tape is, so far as I know, of rather limited use to, for, > or involving ducks in any way, manner, shape, form, or conceptual > artwork. > >> and you're carried away by the two minotaurs down an >> endless series of ducts. > > See? "Ducts"! > > Quact. > ...Jeff Norman > I am surprised wiki didn't have it but as I understand it the original tape was based on a heavy cotton fabric, also known as "cotton duck", to which they applied the rubberized adhesive. A quick google turned up this well written article that backs me up: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-duc4.htm I still prefer "duct tape". I also say ell-eee-dee for LED and do not pronounce GIF like the peanut butter. Anyone who does is a looser. jv <- I also hate people who can't spell luser ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:13:09 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: ducks and Sox and Decemberists Jill Brand wrote: > > So who has gone to Decemberists shows this time around, and how were > they? They were pretty good at The Phoenix, but I think that Colin has got a bit much 'rock starrrr/artiste' thing going on. It was also so terribly contrived. Their cover of Mr Blue Sky was pretty cool, though. cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:31:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: attn: pedantic turbogeek in action Boy...Gang of Four can't start a discussion, but duct tape can. What has this list come to? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:40:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: reap Harriet Miers' upward mobility ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:28:41 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: reap On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Eb wrote: > Harriet Miers' upward mobility A tad late on the old trigger finger there Eb? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:32:18 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: attn: pedantic turbogeek in action Ebwingo writes: > Boy...Gang of Four can't start a discussion, but duct tape can. What > has this list come to? Its senses, apparently. Duct tape has better staying power (but not in the sun ;) ). Passed on the those December folks this year (actually, CM solo), but I do see where Montreal is apparently now the Next Big Place Where Really Big Things Are Happening (R). Anyone else have extended info on Wolf Parade? They opened for Arcade Fire last month and their set alternated between the best, catchy, heavy-guitar pop I've heard in forever and derivative, unmemeroable songs. They were sold out of the CD, what's the skinny on these guys? Is it all like that? Michael who, as a lifelong White Sox fan, is still somewhat in shock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:21:38 -0500 From: Jeff Norman Subject: Re: ducks and Sox and Decemberists On 10/27/05, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Jill Brand wrote: > > > > So who has gone to Decemberists shows this time around, and how were > > they? > > They were pretty good at The Phoenix, but I think that Colin has got a > bit much 'rock starrrr/artiste' thing going on. It was also so terribly > contrived. Maybe I misunderstand you, but - even though I haven't seen the Decemberists live, I'm familiar enough with their music to think that criticizing it for being "contrived" is approximately as relevant as criticizing Iggy & the Stooges for not playing the late Beethoven quartets: "contrived" is just what the Decemberists do. You may not like that (although that's probably not it, or why would you have been at the show?) but...as I said, maybe I misunderstand you. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:25:43 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: assorted stuff Eb: >(Speaking of the El Rey, *Negativland* were there last night and, boy, I'd >be curious to read an account of that gig.) I saw them there a few years ago (2000), and they were surprisingly dull. I had a front row seat and was struggling not to fall asleep. Pete Townshend gave me a WTF? look for sitting down in the front row at a Who show once, so I figured it might might really bother a band if I napped there. re: Tortoise in concert: I've seen Tortoise a few times, and each time is just a bit less interesting. Last year, when Calexico opened for them, Tortoise wasn't able to justify being the head-liner. Calexico blew them off the stage. Marc np--the Residents--The Way We Were (Live in Australia, March 2005) The fact of the matter is, I'm fucking brilliant. Not 'was' brilliant. 'Am' brilliant. Pete Townshend ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:25:35 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Etaion shrd >PS I have a feeling that the printers' fonts used to have ETAION SHRDLU as >the first 2 lines - any relation to those most commonly used letters? If >so, "L" only just missed it by one letter! They did - they are the twelve commonest letters in English. Printers used to simply run their hands over the keys for test pieces and to indicate things not for publication, so the term "Etaion shrdlu" is fairly wll known in publishing. The term's been used in a fair amount of published work, too, including some spoof shaggy-dog science fiction (IIRC by Grendel Briarton, an anagrammatical pseudonym of Reginald "please don't call me Reg" Bretnor) As to the lipogrammatical story, Alice and I got about a page in with no obvious sign of any plot, then wrote stray paragraphs (like the one quoted) which qwould have enevtually been used if we'd managed to get much further (the proposed title was "Heat in Detroit") James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:29:29 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Nigel (no crosses) > > > We're only making plans for Nigel > > > He has his future in a British steel > > > > > > What on earth does that mean? "A British steel"? Is that a plant where > > > they make steel? > > > > I always heard it as "He has future in-a British steel", where >the "a" is an extra nonsense syllable on "in", in order to make the >line scan properly. > >Is the phrasing "a British Steel" meaningful, or is it just a Mark E. >Smith-uh like moment-uh? > >I assume, also, that "Steel" should be capped, as a ref to the actual >corporation of that name (not just generic "British steel")... It is the corporation ("in-a British Steel") but is also a pun ("in a British steal"). In other words, he has his future mapped out in the world of big corporations and takeover bids. Or at least that's how I always understood it. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:11:07 -0500 From: Jeff Norman Subject: Re: Etaion shrd On 10/27/05, James Dignan wrote: > >PS I have a feeling that the printers' fonts used to have ETAION SHRDLU as > >the first 2 lines - any relation to those most commonly used letters? If > >so, "L" only just missed it by one letter! > > They did - they are the twelve commonest letters in English. Printers > used to simply run their hands over the keys for test pieces and to > indicate things not for publication, so the term "Etaion shrdlu" is > fairly wll known in publishing. The term's been used in a fair amount > of published work, too, including some spoof shaggy-dog science > fiction (IIRC by Grendel Briarton, an anagrammatical pseudonym of > Reginald "please don't call me Reg" Bretnor) Thomas Pynchon named a character "Etienne Shrdlu" in an early short story (it's in the _Slow Learner_ collection - am too lazy to check details, but if that Enormous Bird character is still around, he probably knows anyway.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:02:26 -0700 From: "Nora B." Subject: out George Takei A.K.A Star Trek's Sulu http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid22037.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:44:14 -0700 From: "Hurricane Jesus" Subject: CHEF Alive I . don't say i never did anything for you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:46:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: CHEF Alive I >http://feedthefish.org/robyn/audio/chef.mp3>. > > don't say i never did anything for you. Worst mash-up I ever heard. But how does he feel about duct tape? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:36:09 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Smithsonian Global Sound, free until Nov 23 Editor's note: It is unclear to me what precisely is being offered here for free. I have been unable to download anything without paying 99 cents for it, but I have been able to listen to things...do they normally charge for streaming? 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It includes the published recordings owned by the non-profit Smithsonian Folkways Recordings label and the archival audio collections of the legendary Folkways Records, Cook, Dyer-Bennet, Fast Folk, Monitor, Paredon and other labels. It also includes music recorded around the African continent by Dr. Hugh Tracey for the International Library of African Music (ILAM) at Rhodes University. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:57:10 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: attn: pedantic turbogeek in action Eb: >Boy...Gang of Four can't start a discussion, but duct tape can. What >has this list come to? We did discuss GoF somewhat during their Spring tour. Michael B. NP The Housemartins - London 0 Hull 4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:39:02 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: ducks and Sox and Decemberists Jeff Norman wrote: > > Maybe I misunderstand you, but - even though I haven't seen the > Decemberists live ... Whoo, best Male Answer Syndrome response ever! > "contrived" is just what the Decemberists do I know coprolite from Kiwi. I know they're contrived. They know they're contrived. The rest of the fans know they're contrived (ever read 'The Confabulators'? They review reviews, ffs, how meta is that?). But they seem to be trying to play contrived for the audience now, not just for their own enjoyment. They still play an enjoyable, rockin' show. They're still witty and wise. They just seem like they should rest for a bit. >...as I said, maybe I misunderstand you. Well, I did accidentally type "It was also so terribly contrived" instead of "It was *all* so terribly contrived", but you did. cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #252 ********************************