From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #247 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 22 2005 Volume 14 : Number 247 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Lite reading for the Feg ladies [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Lite reading for the Feg ladies [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Lite reading for the Feg ladies [meketone ] Re: Lite reading for the Feg ladies [Jeff Norman ] reap [Eb ] Re: robyn on wnyc soundcheck 10/20/05 [wojizzle forizzle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:41:34 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Lite reading for the Feg ladies - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:15:33 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Lite reading for the Feg ladies While I believe some of this must be true, It is not reflected in my life, or my friends lives. I got married at age 27, and have been happily married for 9 years now. Most of my friends have similar lives, except those that are gay because they have not been allowed the marriage part. But all are in long term relationships. Now how we got there was not through wooing.....it was more dramatic.... So I am not sure who all these people are... are they all in L.A.? eleanore On Oct 21, 2005, at 5:41 AM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > > - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:43:25 +0100 From: meketone Subject: Re: Lite reading for the Feg ladies > On Oct 21, 2005, at 5:41 AM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > >> >> First, I detest the use of the word "lite" in place of "light." (Or nite in place of night, etc.) And second: "Some women positively welcome this state of affairs, but most do not; resenting the personal price they pay for their worldly independence, they nevertheless try to put a good face on things and take refuge in work or feminist ideology." Hmmm... While many of my friends, regardless of sex, are single, at age 40 or more, they have serious and deep friendships with both sexes. Of my "coupled" friends who are straight, most have long term marriages and, maybe, families with 1 - 3 kids and most married in their 30s with a good half not marrying until 40+ (first marriages). In short, in my small circle of 50 or so of my closest friends, I find us all pretty comfortable with our lives, not considering our single status as a personal price we pay for worldly independence but as choice, or perhaps the price we pay for our commitment to our work (art, music, film, etc.). But hey, what do I know. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:09:50 -0500 From: Jeff Norman Subject: Re: Lite reading for the Feg ladies On 10/21/05, Steve Schiavo wrote: > Welcome to the 19th century. I'm tired of old poops assuming they know what people in their 20s and 30s feel and think, judging primarily on the younger people's behavior (which doesn't accord with poopdom). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:39:43 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Lite reading for the Feg ladies On Oct 21, 2005, at 12:43 PM, meketone wrote: >> On Oct 21, 2005, at 5:41 AM, Steve Schiavo wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> > > First, I detest the use of the word "lite" in place of "light." (Or > nite in place of night, etc.) I thought it appropriate, considering.... > Here is a (partial) list of the recent changes that hamper > courtship and marriage: the sexual revolution, made possible > especially by effective female contraception; the ideology of > feminism and the changing educational and occupational status of > women; the destigmatization of bastardy, divorce, infidelity, and > abortion; the general erosion of shame and awe regarding sexual > matters, exemplified most vividly in the ubiquitous and voyeuristic > presentation of sexual activity in movies and on television; > widespread morally neutral sex education in schools; the explosive > increase in the numbers of young people whose parents have been > divorced (and in those born out of wedlock, who have never known > their father); great increases in geographic mobility, with a > resulting loosening of ties to place and extended family of origin; > and, harder to describe precisely, a popular culture that > celebrates youth and independence not as a transient stage en route > to adulthood but as "the time of our lives," imitable at all ages, > and an ethos that lacks transcendent aspirations and asks of us no > devotion to family, God, or country, encouraging us simply to soak > up the pleasures of the present. (But I promise not to do it again). > But hey, what do I know. More than Leon Kass, I suspect, even if he was the head of the late great Commission on Bioethics. Another interesting tidbit seems to be that Mr. Kass disapproves of eating in public. Especially ice cream cones. Looking forward, with fingers crossed, to next week. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:21:34 -0700 From: Eb Subject: reap > 'Little Rascals' Actor Gordon Lee Dies > > Gordon Lee, the chubby child actor who played Spanky McFarland's little > brother Porky in the "Little Rascals" comedies, has died. He was 71. > > Lee died Sunday in a Minneapolis nursing home after battling lung and brain > cancer, said Janice McClain, his partner of 13 years. > > Lee played one of the younger members in the "Our Gang" shorts in the 1930s, > appearing in more than 40 of them from 1935 to 1939. The comedies, produced > by Hal Roach, became known as "The Little Rascals" when shown on TV in the > 1950s. > > Among the films Lee appeared in were "Bored of Education," which won the > Oscar for best one-reel short subject in 1937; "Our Gang Follies of 1936"; > "The Awful Tooth"; and "Roamin' Holiday." > > In a 1998 interview with the Star Tribune of Minneapolis, the Texas-born Lee > said he was 2 years old when his mother sent his picture to studio > executives who were seeking an actor to play McFarland's brother. > > "We were on the next train to L.A. and I had a contract within a few days," > Lee said. "Fat kid got lucky." > > "My memories are not about making movies. We played with our toys and the > adults played with theirs (the cameras)," he said. > > He and Billie "Buckwheat" Thomas teamed up against older boys Spanky and > Alfalfa in many of the comedies. The Porky character is credited with > originating the catchphrase "otay." > > In the interview, Lee recalled a warm friendship with his black costar when > they were kids and praised their interracial relationship on screen, saying, > "Buckwheat played an absolute equal part in the Gang." > > Lee told friends his career ended when a growth spurt made him thinner. > "They wanted Porky to be a chunky fellow, so they looked for someone else," > McClain said. > > He was born Eugene Lee in Fort Worth, Texas, in 1933. His adoptive parents > began calling him Gordon after Gordon Douglas, who directed many of the > films Lee appeared in. He kept the first name as an adult. > > Lee was a schoolteacher, living in Colorado for a time. He moved to > Minnesota after he retired to be closer to his only son, Douglas, said a > friend, Tracy Tolzmann. In recent years, Lee sold autographed photos of > himself as Porky, Tolzmann and McClain said. > > "Before that he felt like he was forgotten," McClain said. "It really made > him feel good about himself." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:14:23 -0400 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: robyn on wnyc soundcheck 10/20/05 one time at band camp, wojizzle forizzle (woj@smoe.org) said: > Unraveling the Bob Dylan Myth > Thursday, October 20, 2005 > > [... ] Also on > the show: A lifelong Dylan fan, Robyn Hitchcock's 2002 album > "Robyn Sings" is an album of Bob Dylan covers including a live > recording of his recreation of Dylan's Live at the Royal Albert > Hall 1966 concert. Today the the durable English > singer-songwriter-guitarist talks about his all-time favorite > album. this segment is now available for streaming: http://wnyc.org/stream/ram.py?file=/soundcheck/soundcheck102005b.mp3 or download: http://wnyc.vo.llnwd.net/o1/soundcheck/soundcheck102005b.mp3 woj p.s. apologies if others have already mentioned this -- just hitting all the lists to make sure no one has missed it. i'll try to catch up on stuff this weekend. honest! n.p. wnhu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #247 ********************************