From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #194 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 12 2005 Volume 14 : Number 194 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: perhaps the new soft boys? ["Brian Nupp" ] Acoustic Decay ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: top 10, and "literally" [Eb ] Re: Acoustic Decay [Eb ] Re: Acoustic Decay ["Brian Nupp" ] Nooz [Eb ] my list [helmut poe ] Re: my list [Jeff ] Twin Cinema [Capuchin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V14 #193 [James Dignan ] what Stewart said and renouncing bands [Jill Brand ] Re: Stick List [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Stick List [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: top 10, and "literally" ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V14 #193 ["Matt Sewell" ] From down under [Steve Schiavo ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V14 #193 ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: what Stewart said and renouncing bands ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: my list [Jeff ] Re: Stick List [Christopher Gross ] Weird news [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:37:42 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: RE: perhaps the new soft boys? >May I recommend The Flaming Stars? Their 2004 album Named & Shamed is > >quite something. Doesn't harm it any that the vocallist sounds >exactly >like Robyn. > >cheers, > Stewart Not a bad album. I've only had about 2 listens, so still judging, but it hasn't grabbed me fully, yet. I don't think Max the vocallist sounds like Robyn at all. This band seems like a hybrid of Lloyd Cole and maybe Nick Cave. I see these guys have been around for about 10 years. How's their other stuff? - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:47:17 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Acoustic Decay >I had a similar experience last week with "Gravy Deco". Its really >not the >songs themselves, its the production. I'd love to see Robyn go back >and >re-record that album acoustically. > >=jbj= I'd like to hear that too. Some of those songs sound perfect with that production though: Like 52 Stations. I love it. Also "How Do You Work This Thing?" But yes, this album is nothing compared to what he did acoustically next. - -Nuppy PS: This Squeeze biography is great. I had no idea Glenn Tilbrook played with The Only Ones for a while. And the stories of John Cale producing are priceless! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:02:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: top 10, and "literally" Tom Clark wrote: >> I'd just like to emphasize that my own idea for a "list thread" >> was a lot less cliched. ; > > I've been trying to come up with a list of bands that I used to > like but now can't stand. It's tough. Maybe KISS? The > Romantics? Charlie Daniels? They were all so long ago that I > don't think they count. I have a Nick Rudd CD I bought a few years > ago that I think I listened to once, maybe twice. Later in the same day that I posted my list, I wondered if I should have put KISS on my own list. I guess it's OK to leave them off, because I never felt the need to *buy* any KISS stuff beyond one "Christine Sixteen" single and a 50-cent copy of Love Gun which I bought awhile later (and eventually discarded). Also wondered if I should have included Van Halen and Black Sabbath, but I figured 1) I still have "academic respect" for those early Van Halen albums, so it's not like I dislike the band now and 2) I never quite connected with Sabbath enough to rank them in my "top 40." All I ever owned was a homemade cassette of Paranoid, taped from radio. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:03:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Acoustic Decay Brian Nupp wrote: > And the stories of John Cale > producing are priceless! Recount them. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:30:04 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Re: Acoustic Decay >Brian Nupp wrote: >> And the stories of John Cale >> producing are priceless! > >Recount them. > >Eb Worth the price of the book alone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:18:17 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Nooz New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com RULING ROCKS FOR CBGB By Leo Standora NY Daily News Staff Writer Thursday, August 11th, 2005 One, two, three, four: Looks like CBGB can rock some more. A Manhattan Civil Court judge ruled yesterday that the music mecca on the Bowery hasn't been stiffing its landlord for rent in the past few years and can't be evicted for that reason. Judge Joan Kenney's decision appears to clear the way for negotiations on a new lease. The current one expires Aug. 31. "We're thrilled with the ruling," said Ken Frydman, of Source Communications, consultant to Save CBGB. "CBGB has always been a good tenant, and this issue of nonpayment of back rent has been shown to be completely false. Now there is no reason why talks on a new lease should remain stalled." The Bowery Residents Committee, which aids the homeless and occupies 315 Bowery with CBGB, alleged that the club owed nearly $100,000 in unpaid rent going back three years. But CBGB said it was improperly billed over that period and unfairly slapped with various penalties. In her ruling, Kenney questioned whether the committee, "with suspect accounting, intentionally orchestrated a scenario that precluded CBGB" from meeting its financial obligations. She also rejected the committee's claim that it suffered when CBGB, whose rent is $19,000 a month, made payments late. Because the committee accepted all payments regardless of when they were made for years, its "own conduct demonstrates that time was never of the essence," she said. In her decision, Kenny described CBGB, which opened in 1973 and showcased groundbreaking rock acts like the Ramones, Talking Heads, Patti Smith and Blondie, as "a major cultural institution that provides a venue and a voice for a unique and original genre of music." She said the club is "credited with being the anchor of what has become the 'renaissance' of the Bowery and has proven itself worthy of being recognized as a landmark." The decision doesn't prevent the Bowery Residents Committee from trying to evict the club for other reasons. But she said the committee will have to come back to court and convince her those reasons are valid. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) From: helmut poe Subject: my list If you ever want to sell a stereo, play music which was popular when the potential buyer was around 16-18. This seems to be the age when people identify with music. Sorta works for my list.... Robyn - Eye Spiritualized - Lazer Guided Melodies Prince - Sign O The Times Captain Beefheart - Clear Spot XTC - Skylarking Nick Cave - The Boatman's Call The Blue Nile - Hats Bjork - Vespartine Pixies - Doolittle Replacements - Tim Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen Eno - Tiger Mountain Modest Mouse - This Is A Long Drive... Zep - Physical Graffiti Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:00:03 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: my list On 8/11/05, helmut poe wrote: > If you ever want to sell a stereo, play music which > was popular when the potential buyer was around 16-18. That's probably generally true...but if you played me popular music from, oh, 1977 - 1980 (*popular* music, mind you), I wouldn't be at all pleased. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Twin Cinema I just gave the new record by The New Pornographers a "spin". More of the same as Mass Romantic. No great big surprises. "Broken Breads" is pure '60s psych pastiche while most of the rest (particularly the title track) is just heavily influenced by that stuff. My only disappointment is that, thus far, there is no blow-out pop single as great as "Letter From An Occupant". J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:17:38 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V14 #193 > > I've been trying to come up with a list of bands that I used to >like but now > > can't stand. It's tough. Maybe KISS? The Romantics? Charlie Daniels? > >Albums would be easier for me. I got all nostalgic a few weeks ago when I >was visiting Amoeba Records in San Fran and came across Berlin's "Pleasure >Victim". $3. I snatched it up and listened to it on my drive up to Lake >Tahoe. EEEsh - what a crap album - it has not aged well. I was very sad indeed when,m for the first time in years, I played my copy of Peter Gabriel IV (a.k.a. Security). So eye-openingly cutting edge when it came out. So 80s now. Sigh. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: what Stewart said and renouncing bands Stewart wrote about the Stones: "definitely not me. The stones turned the suck up to 11 for me at least 30 years ago. I suspect I couldn't even name one of their songs from about 1980 on." I thought that Stewart was being a total snob and that Let It Bleed was a fucking great album. Then I realized that it came out about 36 years ago. That's the last Stones album I liked. I don't think The Who lasted much longer for me. HOWEVER, early Stones and early Who are totally fab gear groovy. What happened anyway? So, yeah, I'll be missing the Stones at Fenway Park on August 21st so......I.......can........go........see COLIN MELOY AT SOME DIVE ON CAPE COD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm already vibrating. And Tom Clark, 'cause gnat ain't here, here's a pre-emptive fuck you!! ;-) As for divesting of that which you can no longer stand, that was MY topic last year. I asked if anyone had such a band or album. Mine was (and still is) anything that Sting ever had his hands on. I saw the Police 6 times between 1981 and 1983, but then I started getting the dry heaves whenever I heard Sting's pretentious wailing. And then it went retroactive on me. Oh, yeah, Portlanders, I'm actually coming out for the Robyn/Colin M. concert. Well, I'm coming to visit my good friend Miriam, but I chose the dates with an ulterior motive. I've never been to the Pacific northwest. Maybe we can meet(?). Jill np: the Decemberists singing "Up the Junction" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:24:15 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Stick List On 08.08.2005, at 22:22, Hurricane Jesus wrote: > <"Signage" is an ugly word, there's no denying it> > > i for one think it's a lovely word -- but i think i like *all* words > ending > in "-age". > Well, I use a lot of compound words, made up on the spot, using "age" as the ending. Wavage, windage, leafage, cloudage, etc. I just thought they were part of the California surf culture from a long time ago and when I use them, much like drug slang, I am stuck in a time warp. Thank god I don't use terms like "awesome" and "rad" but I do catch myself using "dude" a little too much (comes from hanging out with nephews...). And yeah, here is 10+1: (the straight "out of the past/old friends/rainy night need cheering up" version) Element of Light Frank's Wild Years Your Funeral My Trial Abbey Road Pet Sounds Songs of Love and Hate Blood on the Tracks Combat Rock Within the Realm of a Dying Sun Peter Gabriel 3 (melt) U2 - Unforgettable Fire - - c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:21:31 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Stick List - --On 11. August 2005 20:24:15 -0700 Carrie Galbraith wrote: > Well, I use a lot of compound words, made up on the spot, using "age" as > the ending. Wavage, windage, leafage, cloudage, etc. I just thought they > were part of the California surf culture from a long time ago and when I > use them, much like drug slang, I am stuck in a time warp. So their use actually predates BtVS? I thought this thing originated with "slayage" etc. and spilled over into general usage (sic!) afterwards? Or did it just introduce it to the mainstream? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:58:52 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: top 10, and "literally" I once had an early Genesis habit that spiralled out-of-control until I found myself cueing up a Phil Collins tape in a grimy bedsit... listening back, the Collins stuff is awful, apart from moments on Face Value, Gabriel-era Genesis stands up quite well, later stuff no longer holds any appeal. A few years ago I re-bought Peter Gabriel 4 and expected to love it all over again - not at all the case. Oh, and I noticed that Eb had The Black Watch on his dispensed with list - - I urge everyone to furnish themselves with a copy of the latest The Hypnotizing Sea - imho their magnum opus... Cheers Matt >From: Tom Clark >Reply-To: Tom Clark >To: fgz >Subject: Re: top 10, and "literally" >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:55:39 -0700 > >On Aug 9, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Eb wrote: > >>I'd just like to emphasize that my own idea for a "list thread" was >> a lot less cliched. ;p > >I've been trying to come up with a list of bands that I used to like > but now can't stand. It's tough. Maybe KISS? The Romantics? >Charlie Daniels? They were all so long ago that I don't think they >count. I have a Nick Rudd CD I bought a few years ago that I think >I listened to once, maybe twice. > >-tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:58:43 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V14 #193 I hadn't read this when I posted in re. that album... Great minds James, great minds...! Cheers Matt >From: James Dignan >I was very sad indeed when,m for the first time in years, I played >my copy of Peter Gabriel IV (a.k.a. Security). So eye-openingly >cutting edge when it came out. So 80s now. Sigh. > >James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:37:16 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: From down under Starstruck is out on DVD in the US! And it would be out of character not to mention that Pom Poko and My Neighbors The Yamadas come out next Tuesday. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:47:38 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V14 #193 >>From: James Dignan >>I was very sad indeed when,m for the first time in years, I played >>my copy of Peter Gabriel IV (a.k.a. Security). So eye-openingly >>cutting edge when it came out. So 80s now. Sigh. Matt: >I hadn't read this when I posted in re. that album... >Great minds James, great minds...! It's been some time since I listened to Peter Gabriel IV (a.k.a. Security). Peter Gabriel III (Melting Face) was always my favorite of his solo outings. I haven't listened to any Kate Bush in a while, I wonder if I'll have the same reaction as you guys had about Security. I am almost afraid to give them a spin now. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:23:06 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Gabriel At 07:47 AM 8/12/2005, Bachman, Michael wrote: > >>From: James Dignan > >>Peter Gabriel IV (a.k.a. Security). So eye-openingly > >>cutting edge when it came out. So 80s now. Sigh. > >Peter Gabriel III (Melting Face) was always my favorite of his solo >outings. ... I wonder if I'll >have the same reaction as you guys had about Security. I am almost afraid >to give them a spin now. As somebody who counts PG as a major influence, I'd say you're much safer to put III on and not feel like you're trying to squeeze into your prom tux than Security. III was played by people; Security is a mix of a huge cast of players + early (albeit striking) Fairlight sequencing, and that's what makes the album feel somewhat like a sonic can of Aqua Net. The only terribly dated thing about PG III is the gynormous drum sound (which of course was invented by Lillywhite / Padgham on XTC's Drums & Wires, perfected on PG III, then became an 80s cliche). If, like me, you absolutely adore the big walloping drums, it won't be a problem. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:25:15 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: RE: what Stewart said and renouncing bands Jill: >np: the Decemberists singing "Up the Junction" The Squeeze song? I'm in total early Squeeze mode... >As for divesting of that which you can no longer stand, that was MY >topic >last year. I asked if anyone had such a band or album. Mine was >(and >still is) anything that Sting ever had his hands on. I saw the >Police 6 >times between 1981 and 1983,... Miles Copeland, Stewart's brother was the manager for Squeeze and still gets 50% of all their song writing royalties. Blah. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:05:50 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: my list On 8/11/05, helmut poe wrote: >> If you ever want to sell a stereo, play music which >> was popular when the potential buyer was around 16-18. Jeff: >That's probably generally true...but if you played me popular music >from, oh, 1977 - 1980 (*popular* music, mind you), I wouldn't be at >all pleased. Hmmm, that would be the height of the disco era. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:27:55 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: my list On 8/12/05, Bachman, Michael wrote: > On 8/11/05, helmut poe wrote: > >> If you ever want to sell a stereo, play music which > >> was popular when the potential buyer was around 16-18. > > Jeff: > >That's probably generally true...but if you played me popular music > >from, oh, 1977 - 1980 (*popular* music, mind you), I wouldn't be at > >all pleased. > > Hmmm, that would be the height of the disco era. I was thinking more of Journey and crap like that. Not that I'd be thrilled with an all-disco mix either. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:50:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Stick List On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > Well, I use a lot of compound words, made up on the spot, using "age" as > > the ending. Wavage, windage, leafage, cloudage, etc. I just thought they > > were part of the California surf culture from a long time ago and when I > > use them, much like drug slang, I am stuck in a time warp. > > So their use actually predates BtVS? I thought this thing originated with > "slayage" etc. and spilled over into general usage (sic!) afterwards? Or > did it just introduce it to the mainstream? This, umm, usage definitely predates Buffy the Vampire Slayer (first aired 10 March 1997), even in mainstream youth culture. However, the show gave it new popularity by making it such a major part of Slayerspeak. Shockingly enough, I have not yet read Adams's _Slayer Slang_, so I can't speak in more detail. In other words, you all get off easy today. - --Chris, who took a break in one of our library's study lounges the other day, and found that someone had left a copy of Jowett's _Sex and the Slayer: A Gender Studies Primer for the Buffy Fan_ next to his chair. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:47:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Weird news I'm sure working with Lee had become untenable, but willfully turning oneself into a mere "tribute band" (minus Lee) is creative suicide, man. Eb Love Backing Band Splits With Arthur Lee By Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. Highlighted by the 1967 masterpiece "Forever Changes, Love crafted some of the most celebrated rock'n'roll of the psychedelic rock era. But its legacy languished in the ensuing years due to founding member Arthur Lee's unpredictable behavior and prison stint on a weapons violation. After being released from jail in late 2001, Lee assembled a new version of Love that has enjoyed success touring in Europe and North America, often playing "Forever Changes" in its entirety. However, Lee now finds himself without the services of these musicians, including original Love member Johnny Echols and members of the band Baby Lemonade. In a posting on the authoritative Love fan site, the artists have revealed plans to continue performing without Lee under the moniker the Love Band. "Sadly, Arthur Lee's mental and physical health has been in steady decline since the Zombies/Love tour of last year," the site says, also referencing "several disastrous performances both home and abroad." The situation came to a head earlier this summer when Lee "chose not to participate with Love on a tour of the U.K. and two festival shows in Germany and Spain this July," according to the site. "In the band and management's view this was an unforgivable and premeditated act of contempt towards Johnny Echols, Baby Lemonade and moreover, his adoring fans." But the band played the shows anyway, and had such a good time doing it that the decision was made to keep performing without Lee. However, a U.S. tour with Lee planned for this fall has been canceled to allow time for the other band members to fine-tune the set. "To think of Johnny Echols and Baby Lemonade performing without Arthur Lee may not seem as strange as it sounds," the site says. "Many fans have already welcomed the new lineup with open arms as it has allowed the band to perform, with unbridled pride, tracks from the Echols-era catalog including many that have never been heard before." Meanwhile, lead guitarist Mike Randle's online diary hints at the possibility of future complete performances of Love's 1966 self- titled debut and its 1967 follow-up, "Da Capo," as well as the addition of another original member to the Love Band lineup. "[Lee] is, or WAS an amazing performer, who I felt couldn't be touched by anyone," Randle writes. "And having a band that CARED made it even that much more apparent that you were watching something [brilliant]. Those days are gone, sadly. I wish I was wrong but if he does another show you'll see what I mean." Lee could not be reached for comment. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #194 ********************************