From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #192 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 10 2005 Volume 14 : Number 192 Today's Subjects: ----------------- A List [Tom Clark ] Re: "Cuckk-Fist" is an anagram of "Fuck-Stick" [Capuchin ] Essential Albums--this one goes to 11 ["Marc Holden" ] RE: essential listening ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: "Cuckk-Fist" is an anagram of "Fuck-Stick" ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: "Cuckk-Fist" is an anagram of "Fuck-Stick" [Jeff ] I need a gig in Denver like I need a hole in my head... [Tom Clark ] top 10, and "literally" ["Edward of Sim" ] Re: top 10, and "literally" [Eb ] Re: essential listening ["Randalljr" ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music [James Dignan ] Toronto: Stones (aug 10) [Mike Swedene ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: CVB [Eb ] Re: essential listening [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:26:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: A List 10 albums I could listen to anytime, anyplace + 1: RH - Element of Light Graham Parker - The Up Escalator Led Zeppelin - Houses of The Holy Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady Stephen Malkmus - Stephen Malkmus Replacements - Pleased To Meet Me Donald Fagen - The Nightfly Pixies - Doolittle Jeff Beck - Wired The Soft Boys - A Can of Bees Zappa - Joe's Garage - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: "Cuckk-Fist" is an anagram of "Fuck-Stick" On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Hurricane Jesus wrote: > my new peeve is the use of plural pronouns with singular antecedents. > (e.g.: "the bush administration has done it again. they just couldn't > leave well enough alone.") "They" as an asexual singular is hallowed by usage and consecrated by time. > <...I don't consider it a sign of ignorance or, depending on context, > laziness. But when it's a vowel that's out of place, I have a hard time > applying that rationale.> > > but: > > Hey, I didn't write that it doesn't ever happen... (I'm kind of shocked I did that, but it's a genuine typographical error.) > repository for information> > > do we know (well, i know *i* don't know -- is that sufficiently > rumsfeldian for you?) whether it's riskier than using optical media as a > repository (or, for that matter, a suppository)? Repository: It decays like most of the media we use today -- faster than paper, not as fast as silk. It's not so much the stability of the medium that worries me as the stability of the data. When we have rewritable storage, we're pretty likely to dump old data in favor of new data and, in the process, destroy the historical record. Suppository: Ill-advised in all circumstances. > enough collections that these things will survive> > > i would guess that we'll run out of the means to power the devices with > which to read the information long before the information vanishes from > the media. As long as there are humans to read the output, there will be humans to power the machines. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 06:59:35 +0100 (BST) From: Tulloch Subject: Re: A List My 10 might be... Love/Forever Changes Beatles/Revolver Soft Boys/Underwater Moonlight John Cale/Paris 1919 Elvis Costello/This Years Model Grateful Dead/American Beauty Robert Earl Keen/West Textures Various/Nuggets (the original double LP) Warren Zevon/Excitable Boy Vivian Stanshall/Sir Henry At Rawlinson End and on the subs' bench, Flamin' Groovies/Shake Some Action. However, on another day I might have picked A Hard Day's Night, Imperial Bedroom, Element Of Light or The Doughnut In Granny's Greenhouse, plus I fought shy of including the Marshmallow album as I've only had it a month (but still haven't stopped playing it every day!) Tom Clark wrote: 10 albums I could listen to anytime, anyplace + 1: RH - Element of Light Graham Parker - The Up Escalator Led Zeppelin - Houses of The Holy Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady Stephen Malkmus - Stephen Malkmus Replacements - Pleased To Meet Me Donald Fagen - The Nightfly Pixies - Doolittle Jeff Beck - Wired The Soft Boys - A Can of Bees Zappa - Joe's Garage - -tc - --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:05:09 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Essential Albums--this one goes to 11 Pretty much in this order: Soft Boys--Underwater Moonlight Elvis Costello--This Year's Model The Who--Quadrophenia The Beatles--Help! Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention--We're Only In It For the Money The Velvet Underground--The Velvet Underground Robyn Hitchcock--Eye Neutral Milk Hotel--In the Aeroplane Over the Sea The Shaggs--Philosophy of the World Pete Townshend--Empty Glass (almost) Kraftwerk--Die Mensch Maschine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:24:40 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: essential listening I have to say, Vince - you do wonders for this list's diversity! ;0) Cheers Matt >From: "Randalljr" > >Iron Maiden-Iron Maiden >Nick Cave-The Good Son >Black Sabbath-Heaven and Hell >Rush-Moving Pictures >Rush-Permanent Waves >Metallica-Master of Puppets >The Misfits-Legacy of Brutality >Blondie-Parallel Lines >Queensryche-Operation Mindcrime >Pearl Jam-Ten > >Vince "metal up yer ass" the Vincester ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:33:53 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: "Cuckk-Fist" is an anagram of "Fuck-Stick" >"They" as an asexual singular is hallowed by usage and consecrated >by time. Also handily non-gender-specific... Christ almighty - I guess working at Oxfam must be getting to me - that's my second diversity-related post this lunchtime! Cheers Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:36:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: "Cuckk-Fist" is an anagram of "Fuck-Stick" On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Capuchin wrote: > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Hurricane Jesus wrote: > > my new peeve is the use of plural pronouns with singular antecedents. > > (e.g.: "the bush administration has done it again. they just couldn't > > leave well enough alone.") > > "They" as an asexual singular is hallowed by usage and consecrated by > time. It sounds fine to me as a gender-neutral pronoun, but not an asexual one. I think that second sentence ought to be "It just couldn't leave well enough alone." a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:29:41 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Re: A List I fought shy of including the Marshmallow album as I've only had >it a month (but still haven't stopped playing it every day!) Can sumone pleaz provide a link to this album? I definately want to get it! - -Nupper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:05:18 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: "Cuckk-Fist" is an anagram of "Fuck-Stick" On 8/9/05, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Capuchin wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Hurricane Jesus wrote: > > > my new peeve is the use of plural pronouns with singular antecedents. > > > (e.g.: "the bush administration has done it again. they just couldn't > > > leave well enough alone.") > > > > "They" as an asexual singular is hallowed by usage and consecrated by > > time. > > It sounds fine to me as a gender-neutral pronoun, but not an asexual one. > I think that second sentence ought to be "It just couldn't leave well > enough alone." In that usage, you also have British/American usages to account for. Some group nouns take plural verb forms even if they're singular in form (didn't we talk about this here less than a year ago?). That's why you might read in British music papers that "The Who are gearing up for their umpteenth reunion tour. They're rehearsing blah-blah-blah..." The difference is whether the collective noun is being regarded as a single object, or as a collection of individuals. Plus there's the natural tendency to think of "administration" as a bunch of people, and therefore say "they." At this point, it's still technically wrong - but that may well change. The usage of "they" as generic pronoun, even for singular antecedents, is almost universal in spoken language, and is pretty well established in all but the most rigorously edited written contexts. The antecedent for its acceptance as generic singular might be "you" - which began as the *plural* second-person pronoun ("thou" was singular) but, as "thou" disappeared, took over second-person singular as well. Its plural history is evident in the requirement that it take a plural verb, even with a singular subject: "How many of you think the Shaggs' record is essential? Just one? [to that person] You are insane, you know that?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:22:37 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: essential listening eddie sez: > i for one think it's a lovely word -- but i think i like *all* words ending in "-age". Even nougatage? vince "up the irons" the vincester: >Iron Maiden-Iron Maiden Hmm. I went back and forth on IM as being in my most enjoyable 11, but it was more along the lines of should I include "Number of the Beast," "Piece of Mind" or "Powerslave"...or perhaps all three? There was just something about Paul Di 'Anno's voice that didn't agree with me, so the classic-era Maiden ended up in a second tier: Iron Maiden - Powerslave Little Feat - Waiting for Columbus Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti Montrose - Montrose* Judas Priest - British Steel Steely Dan - Aja Chris Smither - Live as I'll Ever Be Stevie Ray Vaughan - In Step anything by Townes van Zandt (album varies by mood) Constance Demby - Novus Magnificat Revolver - Beatles > I fought shy of including the Marshmallow album as I've only had >it a month (but still haven't stopped playing it every day!) I went and downloaded it as well, and it's good light poppy summer music. Like their namesake not something one could subsist on, but good. Michael * I know I shouldn't be shocked about this sort of thing any more, but hearing the ball-grabbing riff from "Space Station #5" being used for a Cadillac commercial was effin' weird. I don't know twenty people who remember the first Montrose album, let alone how good it was. Somebody at their ad agency was smoking some serious doobage to pull that one out of the hat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:23:47 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: I need a gig in Denver like I need a hole in my head... ...or Things to do in Denver when you're almost Dead. Singer Marc Cohn shot in the head http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050809/ap_en_mu/ car_jacking_songwriter_4 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: I need a gig in Denver like I need a hole in my head... Tom Clark wrote: > ...or Things to do in Denver when you're almost Dead. > > Singer Marc Cohn shot in the head > Why couldn't it have been Toby Keith? Not that I really have much of an idea of who Marc Cohn is .... "I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." -- Mitch Hedberg . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:11:09 +0100 (BST) From: Tulloch Subject: Re: A List www.marshmallowmusic.com/Buy.aspx Brian Nupp wrote:I fought shy of including the Marshmallow album as I've only had >it a month (but still haven't stopped playing it every day!) Can sumone pleaz provide a link to this album? I definately want to get it! - -Nupper - --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:33:52 +0100 From: "Edward of Sim" Subject: top 10, and "literally" Man, I can't believe I'm going to bite on a top 10 list. 1. Revolver 2. I Often Dream of Trains 3. Smile 4. The Dreaming 5. Construction of Light 6. Bee Thousand 7. Lulu 8. Spilt Milk 9. Factory Showroom 10. Chocolate & Cheese 11. Imperial Bedroom The great "Hurricane Jesus" tews@drizzle.com wrote: > it's not so much of an issue anymore -- that is to say, the mania has > subsided. "literally"-mania is still going strong, though. the other day > i heard somebody, speaking of a supersonic jet that he'd seen, say that it > "came out of nowhere -- literally came out of nowhere." A book on home recording I have somewhere talks about how "in a live situation, the singer has to literally 'eat the microphone'." And hey, I know I'm jumping in late on this "language pet peeves" topic, but the one that drives me maddest - and this is in every process document at my place of employment - "we will keep you appraised." I always think, "what, you will continually assess my value?" They mean "apprised," of course, but when you use THAT word, people act like they've never heard it before! Thanks for coaxing me out of lurkage! (For all you signage fans.) peace, Edward "When the bite that you feel is a big sharp-toothed eel, That's a moray." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:51:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: top 10, and "literally" Edward of Sim wrote: > Man, I can't believe I'm going to bite on a top 10 list. I'd just like to emphasize that my own idea for a "list thread" was a lot less cliched. ;p Eb PS This is darn funny: http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php? media_id=805 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:55:15 -0700 From: "Randalljr" Subject: Re: essential listening From: "Matt Sewell" I have to say, Vince - you do wonders for this list's diversity! > > ;0) I'd like to think so. I'd also guess that I'm the only Feg that will be going to Ozzfest this year. If anyone else is going, the time to fess up is now ; ) Looking forward to Maiden, Sabbath, and Zombie later this week, Vince (and of course, a full report will follow) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:27:54 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music > I would be curious to know what your top ten favorite > albums of all time are. Not what you think are the top ten albums of > all times (perhaps by other critics), but what your *favorite* albums > are. And what your runner up is, so that's 11 favorites. Others feel > free to volunteer yours. maan. Tough. I tried, but I couldn' limit it to ten. But here's 25, plus some guilty pleasures: *Beatles - Rubber Soul *Budd, Harold - The White Arcades *Byrds - The Notorious Byrds Brothers *Cale, John - Paris 1919 *Clash - London Calling *Costello, Elvis - Imperial Bedroom *Dylan, Bob - Highway 61 Revisited *Eno, Brian - Before and After Science *Hitchcock, Robyn - Element of Light *Hunters and Collectors - Human Frailty *Khan, Nusrat Fateh Ali & Michael Brook - Night Song *King Crimson - Thrak *Lennon, John - Imagine *Mitchell, Joni - Hejira *Muttonbirds - Envy of Angels *Shriekback - Oil and Gold *Simon, Paul - Hearts and Bones *Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight *Split Enz - True Colours *Talking Heads - Remain in Light *Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground & Nico *Who - Who's Next *XTC - English Settlement *Young, Neil - After the Gold Rush *Zevon, Warren - Warren Zevon A case could also be made for Eno/Cale "Wrong Way Up", but since I had both an Eno and a Cale album on the list... Interestingly, there's nothing more recent than late 90s. Of recent albums, The Secret Machines' "Now Here is Nowhere" comes closest. And did we include compilations? Because if so, there's also: *Buzzcocks - Singles going steady *Echo & the Bunnymen - Songs to Learn and Sing *Grooveyard Original Jazz Classics, vol. 1 Finally, a handful of guilty pleasures: *Abba - Abba, the Album *Bush, Kate - Hounds of Love *Dire Straits - Dire Straits *Fleetwood Mac - Tusk *Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water *Stranglers - Aural Sculpture *Supertramp - Crisis, What Crisis? *slightly* more than ten... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Toronto: Stones (aug 10) For Stewart and other Toronto area Fegs: The Rolling Stones have been in Toronto for over a month practising for their next tour. To say thanks to the folks, they're doing a gig tomorrow night at the Phoenix on Sherbourne, only $10 per ticket. Folks are camping out now for tickets. This is for anyone in the area who is a Stones fan. mike - ------------------------------------------------- "there is water at the bottom of the ocean" - talking heads _________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I still need to hear Factory Showroom. np: The Beatles disc 2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:56:04 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: CVB Has anyone heard (to the point where they could do a brief review) of Camper Van Beethoven's "New Roman Times" album? I would be much obliged. I've heard from some people who really like it, and others that think it's just ok but doesn't have any sort of lasting impact like their earlier albums did, and I'm looking for other opinions before spending my hard earned do-re-mi. Thanks! Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:41:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: CVB > Has anyone heard (to the point where they could do a brief review) > of Camper > Van Beethoven's "New Roman Times" album? I would be much obliged. > I've > heard from some people who really like it, and others that think > it's just > ok but doesn't have any sort of lasting impact like their earlier > albums > did, and I'm looking for other opinions before spending my hard earned > do-re-mi. It's fine, but I was disappointed by past standards. It's a bit proggier than other CVB albums (the instrumentals are more about "complexity" than genre-splicing), and its grim, not-so-well- developed theme isn't really what I wanted from a reunion CVB album. It should have been more fun. The Mission of Burma reunion album is better. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:30:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: essential listening On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Randalljr wrote: > I'd like to think so. I'd also guess that I'm the only Feg that will be > going to Ozzfest this year. If anyone else is going, the time to fess up is > now ; ) Although I'm not going, I did give it serious consideration, if that counts for something.... Speaking of Ozzfest, what the hell is a Mudvayne anyway? In my day, people gave bands nice, rational, understandable names like Helloween, Nuclear Assault or Death. Harrumph. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #192 ********************************