From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #190 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, August 8 2005 Volume 14 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: At last, she can stop playing housewife, and go back to worrying mike wells [Tom Clark ] cricket, Shirley, and music [Christopher Gross ] RE: cricket, Shirley, and music ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music [Eb ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music [Christopher Gross ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Attn: M. Wells: Milwaukeean says something nice about Chicago ["Stew] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music [Christopher Gross ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music [Jeff ] Re: cricket, Shirley, and music [Capuchin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V14 #181 [James Dignan ] REAP [Mike Swedene ] RE: REAP ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:58:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: At last, she can stop playing housewife, and go back to worrying mike wells On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Eb wrote: > LOS ANGELES (AP) _ Charles Black, a businessman, maritime expert and > the husband of former child star Shirley Temple Black, died > Thursday of > complications of a bone marrow disease, his wife said. He was 86. > > Black died at his home in the San Francisco suburb of Woodside, with > his wife of 55 years and other family members by his side. > Wow - Shirley Temple lives less than 15 miles away from me? That's so awesome! And she's single now! On Aug 6, 2005, at 4:27 PM, michael wells wrote: > Not sure how I missed it, but apparently what's left of Paul > Rodgers has > been fronting what's left of Queen since late March > (http://www.queenpluspaulrodgers.com/ ). After mulling this over, I > can't > really see anything wrong with it. Which kind of worries me. > Well, if Mick Ralphs also joined up, then it would be something. I just can't imagine Rogers in black spandex tho. > In other news, a bunch of funny-looking foreigners have started up > a weekly > cricket match on the baseball field near our house. There are upstart cricket leagues around here also, you know - for the kids. I guess that's the next logical step after installing a lawn bowling green in every town. - -tc, don't even ask about the Tai Chi everywhere you look... p.s. Interpol at the San Jose Civic for $25...worth it? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:02:12 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Hmn...nmH On Aug 6, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Jeff wrote: > On 8/6/05, Marc Alberts wrote: > > >> 4 Non Blondes >> > > Ow ow ow my ears my ears! That song whose title I'm thankfully > forgetting has to be one of the most annoying hits ever. "I said Hey, What's Going On?" The thing that brings me back from suicide each time I'm reminded of that song is the remembrance of Robyn introducing it during a guest- hosting of 120 minutes. You could smell the disdain through the TV set. btw, Linda Perry is an Oscar(tm) Award winning composer now. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:47:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: cricket, Shirley, and music On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, michael wells wrote: > In other news, a bunch of funny-looking foreigners have started up a weekly > cricket match on the baseball field near our house. The fun begins each > Saturday morning around 9; and after watching this unfold for a few weeks Are these cricketers Pakistani, by any chance? I watched some Pakistani (I think) students playing cricket on GWU's quad a few years ago. The thing that struck me was that they talked among themselves in Urdu (I guess), but called out numbers and cricket terms in English. None of them seemed to be drinking, though. On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Tom Clark wrote: > Wow - Shirley Temple lives less than 15 miles away from me? That's > so awesome! Back in 1995-96, I lived in a house in DC that Shirley Temple Black supposedly once lived in back when she worked for the State Department. It probably hadn't yet been subdivided into crappy apartments when she was there, so now I can say I once lived in Shirley Temple's old house. I couldn't compose a list of bands I've stopped enjoying under Eb's rules. There just aren't any in my collection that I've stopped liking SO much that I could overcome my packrattish desire to keep their CDs, just in case. But the topic made me realize something else: there are still artists that I like a lot more than most, but there are no long any that I *love* with that obsessive fanboyish type of love. Does this mean I've grown up, or that I've gotten old? Yes, it's all about me.... - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:47:52 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: RE: cricket, Shirley, and music >I couldn't compose a list of bands I've stopped enjoying under Eb's >rules. >There just aren't any in my collection that I've stopped liking SO >much >that I could overcome my packrattish desire to keep their CDs, just >in >case. But the topic made me realize something else: there are still >artists that I like a lot more than most, but there are no long any >that I >*love* with that obsessive fanboyish type of love. Does this mean >I've >grown up, or that I've gotten old? > >Yes, it's all about me.... > > >--Chris I couldn't have said that better myself regarding my musical tastes. There is nothing in my collection that I no longer like. Definately stuff that I don't play so much any more, but still anything that I had when I was 9 (Buggles: Age of Plastic for example) still sounds good to me now. I miss that "obsessive fanboyish type of love" that I used to have. - -Nuppy Current favorite beer: Bells Oberon (on draft if possible) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:56:21 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music Brian Nupp wrote: > I couldn't have said that better myself regarding my musical tastes. > There is nothing in my collection that I no longer like. "In my collection." Well, didn't you ever GET RID of anything? I've probably gotten rid of close to 500 albums which were formerly in my permanent collection. > Definately I think you just set off someone's pet-peeve alarm. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:14:39 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music >Brian Nupp wrote: >> I couldn't have said that better myself regarding my musical >tastes. >> There is nothing in my collection that I no longer like. > >"In my collection." Well, didn't you ever GET RID of anything? I've >probably gotten rid of close to 500 albums which were formerly in my > >permanent collection. I think I've sold back a total of 3 CDs ever. One was Hindu Love Gods and I can't remember the others. I'm a pack rat. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:19:56 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on 7. August 2005 10:56:21 -0700 regarding Re: cricket, Shirley, and music: > Brian Nupp wrote: >> I couldn't have said that better myself regarding my musical tastes. >> There is nothing in my collection that I no longer like. > > "In my collection." Well, didn't you ever GET RID of anything? I've > probably gotten rid of close to 500 albums which were formerly in my > permanent collection. The only ones I've gotten rid of I have regretted later, e.g. my first ABBA albums, so now I'm keeping everything. I don't have *that* many CDs and records, however. Lots of new stuff I only have as AAC anyway. But even otherwise I tend to keep stuff - it would feel illoyal (wait, that doesn't seem to exist in English - is there no antonym for loyal??) to throw it out. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:31:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > is there no antonym for loyal??) Disloyal. "I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." -- Mitch Hedberg . ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:41:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >>> I couldn't have said that better myself regarding my musical tastes. >>> There is nothing in my collection that I no longer like. >> >> "In my collection." Well, didn't you ever GET RID of anything? I've >> probably gotten rid of close to 500 albums which were formerly in my >> permanent collection. > > The only ones I've gotten rid of I have regretted later, e.g. my > first ABBA albums, so now I'm keeping everything. I don't have > *that* many CDs and records, however. Lots of new stuff I only have > as AAC anyway. But even otherwise I tend to keep stuff - it would > feel illoyal (wait, that doesn't seem to exist in English - is > there no antonym for loyal??) to throw it out. Lordy. There are two or three albums which I regretted getting rid of and re-bought later (Richard Thompson's Daring Adventures being the best/worst example), but otherwise...whew, good riddance. And I'll dump plenty more in the future. I almost always prune everything I own by an artist at once -- it's all or nothing. Some acts I'll most likely chop out, one of these years: Amnesia, Bandit Queen, Bazooka, the Lewis & Clarke Expedition, Old Skull, Phranc, Plug, Rocket from the Crypt, Sugarsmack, the Afghan Whigs, Archers of Loaf/Barry Black, Blackgirls, the Cavedogs, the Grassy Knoll, Jesus Jones, Wayne Kramer, Mary Lou Lord, Photek, Ruby, Shelleyan Orphan, Tubetop.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:43:53 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music >> But even otherwise I tend to keep stuff - it would feel illoyal (wait, >> that doesn't seem to exist in English - is there no antonym for >> loyal??) to throw it out. > > Disloyal. Thanks, I should've thought of that ... "illoyal" is German, but sounded wrong. I checked for "unloyal", but didn't think of dis- ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:38:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap Hunter Kelly "I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." -- Mitch Hedberg . ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Brian Nupp wrote: > >"In my collection." Well, didn't you ever GET RID of anything? I've > >probably gotten rid of close to 500 albums which were formerly in my > > > >permanent collection. > > I think I've sold back a total of 3 CDs ever. One was Hindu Love Gods > and I can't remember the others. I'm a pack rat. Me too. Of the few I've sold, two were duplicates (I got each as a gift, kept the gift and sold the copy I bought myself), and the other two or so were record club selections that I failed to stop and then forgot to send back until it was too late. There might be another five or ten that I'd be willing to sell, but none of them would bring as much as a dollar, so why bother? I'd rather hold on to them in case the urge to listen to one someday strikes. Of course I don't have nearly as many to start with as Eb or a lot of other Fegs. I think I have less than 800 CDs, not counting home-burned copies, and less than 200 LPs. (It's probably time to do another count, and maybe think up a new organizational scheme. When's the last time we had *that* discussion?) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:50:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music Christopher Gross wrote: > On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Brian Nupp wrote: > > I think I've sold back a total of 3 CDs ever. > > Me too. Of the few I've sold, two were duplicates (I got > each as a gift, kept the gift and sold the copy I bought > myself), Why not sell the gift copy? I'd assume they were still shrinkwrapped, so couldn't you have gotten full trade in rather than the relative pittance for selling an open one? > (It's probably time to do another count, and maybe think > up a new organizational scheme. When's the last time we > had *that* discussion?) Far, far too recently. :) "I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." -- Mitch Hedberg . ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:34:48 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Attn: M. Wells: Milwaukeean says something nice about Chicago Dolph Chaney wrote: > > Stewart, I'm stunned -- how can a Scots Canadian know the insidious > eeeeeeeeevil of CTA so well??? Well done. I've been on a CTA bus a few times. Not sure if I'd do it again. Stewart (who got stung by a wasp today while changing the saddle* on my 1984-ish Dawes Super Galaxy.) *: Brooks B17 for a Brooks Champion Flyer. Every bike I own runs a Brooks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:53:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Me too. Of the few I've sold, two were duplicates (I got > > each as a gift, kept the gift and sold the copy I bought > > myself), > > Why not sell the gift copy? I'd assume they were still > shrinkwrapped, so couldn't you have gotten full trade in > rather than the relative pittance for selling an open one? Sheer sentimental value. (Anyway, IIRC one of them was already opened, for whatever reason.) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:03:54 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music On 8/7/05, Eb wrote: > Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >>> I couldn't have said that better myself regarding my musical tastes. > >>> There is nothing in my collection that I no longer like. > >> > >> "In my collection." Well, didn't you ever GET RID of anything? I've > >> probably gotten rid of close to 500 albums which were formerly in my > >> permanent collection. > Lordy. There are two or three albums which I regretted getting rid of > and re-bought later (Richard Thompson's Daring Adventures being the > best/worst example), but otherwise...whew, good riddance. And I'll > dump plenty more in the future. I almost always prune everything I > own by an artist at once -- it's all or nothing. Some acts I'll most > likely chop out, one of these years: Amnesia, Bandit Queen, Bazooka, > the Lewis & Clarke Expedition, Old Skull, Phranc, Plug, Rocket from > the Crypt, Sugarsmack, the Afghan Whigs, Archers of Loaf/Barry Black, > Blackgirls, the Cavedogs, the Grassy Knoll, Jesus Jones, Wayne > Kramer, Mary Lou Lord, Photek, Ruby, Shelleyan Orphan, Tubetop Hmm. I mean, of the acts you mention above that are in my collection (Amnesia, Afghan Whigs, Archers/Barry Black, Blackgirls, Photek), I listen to none of them regularly - but for almost all of them (probably exception: Blackgirls) there are at least a handful of tracks that I still like. And I agree w/whoever said that whenever they sell something, they end up having cause to regret it later. Even if it's just a single track that's perfect in a mix or something, it's more of a pain to reacquire something than it is just to hang on to it. Getting rid of CDs I don't really listen to much anymore wouldn't save that much space (maybe a drawer or two out of six, soon to be seven, Can-Am cabinets), and it certainly wouldn't bring in much money. The only things I give away (which is what I do: donate 'em to Goodwill and write the value off on my taxes) these days are old editions of titles I've bought reissues of (Elvis Costello, Echo & the B., etc.). I think part of that's a pack-rat tendency, but also an attraction toward keeping a sort of history of my interests and random moments at the record store (why'd I buy this one? I think I liked the cover...). There are even two CDs in my collection that got there entirely by mistake: I misremembered a band's name. But both of them were halfway decent, and anyway it wasn't worth the buck I might have gotten for them (I bought both used anyway) to go to the effort of returning 'em. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: cricket, Shirley, and music On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > The only ones I've gotten rid of I have regretted later, e.g. my first > ABBA albums, so now I'm keeping everything. I don't have *that* many CDs > and records, however. Uh, same goes for me. Except I never did get rid of no ABBA albums (never had none, neither). [That was an experiment in negatives. Success.] > Lots of new stuff I only have as AAC anyway. Right, loads of MP3s only now. In fact, when I got my iPod, I seriously considered selling my entire record collection. Even if I kept the rarities and only got a dollar a pop for the rest, I could easily cover the cost of the iPod. In reality, I can't see myself purchasing another CD except from local bands at shows or the rare disc that inspires some collector's or completist's neurosis. The artifact has much less value to me than it once did. I have a whole life full of artifacts around and some mass-produced thing that can be found either in the local library or on Amazon at any point in the future just doesn't qualify for storing in my home. I certainly understand the risks of using rewritable storage as a repository for information -- we could easily be creating a new Dark Ages for some future historians -- but hopefully the library system and other archivists will have diverse enough collections that these things will survive (this is also a strong argument against so-called DRM, by the way). > But even otherwise I tend to keep stuff - it would feel illoyal (wait, > that doesn't seem to exist in English - is there no antonym for loyal??) > to throw it out. Yeah, I certainly had that feeling in the past. I think I also had this other lame feeling that owning the records somehow defined me -- as if folks could look at my record collection and know something about me. But now I don't think I want that kind of judgment made about me at all. Oh, and there's something really great about having every record you know at your fingertips everywhere you go. So much easier to share things with other people. That reminds me, I've been meaning to compile a playlist that includes all of the Glass Flesh tracks and the original tracks they cover in chronological sequence of the original recording with the covers immediately following. If anybody's interested, I could post the m3u (or some other plaintext format) here when I'm done and y'all can convert it in your own way to match your own storage scheme. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:14:15 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V14 #181 >On 7/27/05, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > > > > Does Amhet look like his mom, or what? I knew this was going to > > happen, but someone on the Chalkhills list posted the link. Seems > > he got an invite to try out for woodwinds and keyboards, but couldn't > > leave his day job for 6 weeks. A friend of his got the gig. > >I *love* the quote on the poster behind the Zappa boys in the first >image - reads something like "[If you can't] write a chord ugly >[enough to say] what you want to say sometimes [you] have to rely on a >giraffe [filled] with whipped cream." > >So true. It reminds me of the climactic moments of the Sacrificial >Dance in Stravinsky's _Rite of Spring_ when, after a crushing >polytonal blast on low brass and woodwinds in E-flat major and B minor >augmented by a tremendous walloping on five bass drums, a large, >pig-shaped pinata is smashed with a cricket bat by the violin section. remind me sometime to tell you about Boris Glevunov. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: REAP Peter Jennings - ------------------------------------------------- "there is water at the bottom of the ocean" - talking heads _________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:08:11 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: REAP >From: Mike Swedene >Subject: REAP >Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:51:08 -0700 (PDT) >Peter Jennings Did you notice he got sick right after that UFO expose, I dunno man... Max ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #190 ********************************