From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #166 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 8 2005 Volume 14 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: KEN "Throw that Bob-Marley-Wannabe motherfucker out ofhere" THE KENSTER ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: KEN "Throw that Bob-Marley-Wannabe motherfucker out ofhere"THE KENSTER ["Brian Nupp" ] reap ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: And another thung ["Michael Wells" ] Re: And another thung [Eb ] RE: And another thung ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: And another thung [Steve Talkowski ] lene lovich [wojizzle forizzle ] RE: And another thung ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: And another thung [Jeff ] RE: And another thung ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: And another thung [Eb ] Re: lene lovich [Tom Clark ] Re: lene lovich [FSThomas ] Re: lene lovich [wojizzle forizzle ] Flight of the Mistle Thrushes Tour [Jill Brand ] Stung [Eb ] KEN "My yelling got me put out of the art store" THE KENSTER ["Eddie Tews] Re: KEN "My yelling got me put out of the art store" THE KENSTER [Jeff ] Eatin' crow [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:31:58 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Re: KEN "Throw that Bob-Marley-Wannabe motherfucker out ofhere" THE KENSTER >On 7/7/05, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> Eddie wrote: >> > (and is the thank-you to paul montagne the first-ever >liner-note-thank-you to a >> > feg? I know Bayard has been thanked in at least one instance of liner notes...and didn't Eb write some liner notes at one point? - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:40:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: KEN "Throw that Bob-Marley-Wannabe motherfucker out ofhere" THE KENSTER > I know Bayard has been thanked in at least one instance of liner > notes...and didn't Eb write some liner notes at one point? Never was simply "thanked," though. Thought I had a pretty good shot with Amy Correia and the Sugarplastic, but nuh-uh. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:10:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: And another thung I don't think this berzerk mockingbird is EVER gonna shut up. He's been outside the window off and on for about two weeks, and it's driving me nuts. I've had to start sleeping while wearing my nightclub earplugs. What are the best songs about insomnia? Crimson's "Sleepless"? I "cheated" with my database, and only found the Incredible String Band's "No Sleep Blues." Fine lyrics, yeah. I guess some others are more like heartbreak songs where insomnia is just a manifestation of the pain.... I was just re-reading a couple of amazing Jeff Mangum interviews, and am feeling a bit raw. Why can't we shrug anything, except our shoulders? "Bitter old queen"? Curious. I don't miss Rex, but I think it was kinda silly of him to leave (or lurk, whichever it is). Must find soda. pieces of Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:03:13 -0400 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Re: KEN "Throw that Bob-Marley-Wannabe motherfucker out ofhere"THE KENSTER - ---- Original Message ---- >Never was simply "thanked," though. Thought I had a pretty good shot > >with Amy Correia and the Sugarplastic, but nuh-uh. ;) > >Eb Perhaps Rex will thank you on his next new release. You might've inspired a song or two...? Anyone order the new Robyn japanese cd? Looks like some interesting cuts... but still no Surfer Ghost! - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:27:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: KEN "Throw that Bob-Marley-Wannabe motherfucker out ofhere"THE KENSTER > Perhaps Rex will thank you on his next new release. You might've > inspired a song or two...? Mmm, I doubt it. I hear he had his yearly Beard-Stroking Barbecue on the 4th, but I didn't get an invite. Feggy note: If you do a Google image search for Rex Broome, you get almost nothing but pictures of fish. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:29:08 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: And another thung - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on 7. Juli 2005 11:10:11 -0700 regarding And another thung: > What are the best songs about insomnia? Crimson's "Sleepless"? I > "cheated" with my database, and only found the Incredible String Band's > "No Sleep Blues." Fine lyrics, yeah. I guess some others are more like > heartbreak songs where insomnia is just a manifestation of the pain.... Hmm, "Insomnicide" by These Immortal Souls? It's an instrumental ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:32:37 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: reap Pierre Michelot, at age 77, the French jazz bassist, who was a member of The Three Bosses along with Bud Powell and Kenny Clark in Paris during the late 50's early 60's. Pierre was also in the one of my favorite movies, Round Midnight, which was a movie based mostly on the life of Bud Powell and to a lesser degree on Lester Young. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:35:43 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: And another thung > What are the best songs about insomnia? Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:41:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: And another thung >> What are the best songs about insomnia? >> > > Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" > Huh...good call. Wouldn't have thought of that one. I played that song in junior-high school band. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:53:50 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: And another thung Eb: >What are the best songs about insomnia? Crimson's "Sleepless"? I >"cheated" with my database, and only found the Incredible String >Band's "No Sleep Blues." Fine lyrics, yeah. I guess some others are >more like heartbreak songs where insomnia is just a manifestation of >the pain.... Sleepless Nights being one of the prime examples of the heartbreak songs. Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris did a great version of it which was an outtake from the Grievous Angel album. You can find it on the excellent Rhino double CD retrospective of Gram. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:59:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: And another thung >> What are the best songs about insomnia? Crimson's "Sleepless"? I >> "cheated" with my database, and only found the Incredible String >> Band's "No Sleep Blues." Fine lyrics, yeah. I guess some others are >> more like heartbreak songs where insomnia is just a manifestation of >> the pain.... >> > > Sleepless Nights being one of the prime examples of the heartbreak > songs. > Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris did a great version of it which was > an outtake > from the Grievous Angel album. You can find it on the excellent Rhino > double CD retrospective of Gram. When I wrote the above about "heartbreak songs," I was specifically thinking of that one and the Kinks' "Just Can't Go to Sleep." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:20:15 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: And another thung On Jul 7, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Eb wrote: >>> What are the best songs about insomnia? >>> >> Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" >> > Huh...good call. Wouldn't have thought of that one. > > I played that song in junior-high school band. ;) Me too! Ok, so it was high school marching band. Being a trombonist for 14 years (beginning in 4th grade and sticking with it through college) I loved early Chicago. We would transcribe from ear all the juicy t-bone parts and everyone would join in. Ah, the glory daze... - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:41:38 -0400 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: lene lovich holy cow. http://web.joespub.com/caltool/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&performanceID=1203 when was the last time ms. lovich played the states? +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:43:45 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: And another thung >From: Eb >Subject: And another thung >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:10:11 -0700 >What are the best songs about insomnia? Not sure it really fits, Talking Heads Psycho Killer has the line "can't sleep, bed's on fire". Max ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:52:20 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: And another thung On 7/7/05, Eb wrote: > I don't think this berzerk mockingbird is EVER gonna shut up. I think Grant-Lee Phillips might have something to say to that. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:51:58 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: And another thung >From: Eb >Subject: And another thung >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:10:11 -0700 >What are the best songs about insomnia? How about the Beatles "I'm So Tired"? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:05:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: And another thung >> I don't think this berzerk mockingbird is EVER gonna shut up. >> > > I think Grant-Lee Phillips might have something to say to that. Much like the mockingbird, he is someone I try not to hear. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:49:55 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: lene lovich On Jul 7, 2005, at 12:41 PM, wojizzle forizzle wrote: > holy cow. > > http://web.joespub.com/caltool/index.cfm? > fuseaction=detail&performanceID=1203 > > when was the last time ms. lovich played the states? I saw her at Toad's Place in '82. Phenomenal show. Couldn't find any other current dates though... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:32:32 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: lene lovich Apparently she has an album coming out in September. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lene_Lovich). Tom Clark wrote: Sprachen Mein Wojizzle Forizzle: >> when was the last time ms. lovich played the states? October 31, 2003 she played Joe's Pub at Halloween. Other than that, it's tough to find any info. (http://www.stereosociety.com/lenelovich.html) - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:41:13 -0400 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: lene lovich one time at band camp, FSThomas said: >October 31, 2003 she played Joe's Pub at Halloween. Other than that, it's >tough to find any info. huh. i wonder how i missed that one....oh yeah, i was at the bottom line seeing herr hitchcock. well, i won't miss her this time! (i hope.) maybe nina hagen will open the gig. ;) woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:14:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Flight of the Mistle Thrushes Tour Coming your way in the fall, once again, the Decemberists are on the march (or on the wing). Stewart, they will be back in Toronto on October 13th. I plan to spend the entirety of Columbus Day weekend following them around the greater New England area, so if anyone wants to join me, give a holler. For more info check the "Dates" section of their website www.decemberists.com/dates.html Smiley Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:42:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Stung MTV Stung by Live 8 Criticism By Geoff Boucher and Chris Gaither, LA Times Staff Writers Bruised by harsh criticism and soft ratings, MTV executives Wednesday acknowledged missteps in their broadcast of last weekend's Live 8 concerts and hinted that they might retool the program and show it again. Some kind of do-over is "not the craziest idea," said MTV Executive Vice President Van Toffler, who quipped that the Allman Brothers song "Whipping Post" best described his office's post-show morale. Ratings released Wednesday show that the eight-hour live broadcast of Live 8 performances that aired Saturday on both MTV and sister station VH1 had an average viewership of only 2.2 million viewers w less than the average audience for the Saturday afternoon airing of the 1999 film "Toy Story 2" on the Disney Channel. MTV's handling of the concerts w staged in London, Philadelphia and eight other cities w was faulted for frequent cutaways from key musical moments to go to commercials, offstage banter or less compelling performances elsewhere. "Knowing what I know now, I probably would have made the decision to go commercial-free," Toffler said. Unfortunately for MTV, its performance also was juxtaposed with a widely praised showing by AOL, which offered comprehensive coverage on its music website, AOL Music. Ken Ehrlich, who produced the Live 8 show in Philadelphia and is a veteran producer of the Grammy Awards, said the AOL event would be remembered as a defining moment in online music consumerism. "This is a template for the future," he said. "Not to negate the importance of television, but I really think the Internet generation has come of age and the numbers have multiplied to a point of real change7. AOL opened the door here and once it's open it ain't going to close." AOL bought the exclusive rights to the Live 8 shows for an undisclosed amount and then licensed them to MTV, XM Satellite Radio and Premiere Radio Networks. The shows also were carried across the globe by regional networks. Kevin Wall, executive producer of Live 8, said the combined television and Internet audiences probably topped 1 billion and greatly amplified the discussion of its cause: relieving debt and poverty in beleaguered nations in Africa. "MTV was a big part of it, not just on the air but in making the whole thing happen," Wall said. "There were disagreements creatively on some points, but you won't find anyone involved in this who has anything bad to say about MTV." That was not the case on the Internet, where irate viewers vented loudly about MTV cameras leaving key moments such as the Pink Floyd reunion. Critics weighed in too. But Toffler said the channel was hemmed in by decisions made in the four weeks leading up to the show, as the bill of performers was still taking shape. In retrospect, he said, MTV should not have placed such a high priority on showing so many acts, at the expense of airing complete sets by key artists. A combined average of 2.2 million total viewers watched from noon to 8 p.m. Saturday on MTV (1.4 million) and VH1 (762,000), according to Nielsen Media Research. Toffler said getting an estimated 18 million viewers to tune in for at least six minutes of the broadcast was "a brilliant success" for MTV and also for the "social cause." Two hours of Live 8 moments also aired on ABC during prime time Saturday and drew an average of 2.9 million viewers. ABC's concert was the night's least-watched program on the major broadcast networks. "It was a pretty horrible performance 7 [but] it was on Saturday night, which is a throwaway night for the broadcast networks," said Brad Adgate of Horizon Media Inc. As for AOL, its online broadcast of Live 8 was designed to promote a major strategic shift for the world's biggest Internet service provider. As its number of subscribers declines, the Time Warner Inc. unit is vying for a bigger piece of the $10 billion that advertisers spend online annually by offering free of charge many of the services once reserved for paying members. Video and music are key components of its efforts. Jim Bankoff, AOL's executive vice president of programming and products, said more people watched this event than any other streamed event on AOL, including the funeral of Pope John Paul II. Five million unique users visited AOL Music for its free streaming video from the concerts. At peak moments, the site was streaming 175,000 simultaneous video broadcasts, which AOL said was an Internet record. "It was a tipping point," Bankoff said. "It's the biggest step so far and a pretty big leap forward." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:13:20 -0700 From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: KEN "My yelling got me put out of the art store" THE KENSTER <(trolling now) And it's "box set" and "mix tape" not "boxed" or "mixed." Hmmmph.> well, since you *are* trolling... it's a set of *what*? CDs, right? the set of CDs, housed inside of the box, is, quite clearly, "boxed". thus, "boxed set". now, if the box were *composed* of the set of CDs (which would be kind of interesting!), you could rightfully call it a "box set". would you argue, for example, that it's "can ham" rather that "canned ham"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:34:31 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: KEN "My yelling got me put out of the art store" THE KENSTER On 7/7/05, Eddie Tews wrote: > <(trolling now) And it's "box set" and "mix tape" not "boxed" or "mixed." > Hmmmph.> > > well, since you *are* trolling... > > it's a set of *what*? CDs, right? the set of CDs, housed inside of the > box, is, quite clearly, "boxed". thus, "boxed set". The reason it's a "box set" and not a "boxed set" (aside from the near-impossibility of actually enunciating the phrase "boxed set") is that it's more relevant that it's a set that looks like a box, not a set that is "boxed" (i.e., packaged), which *all* CDs are. Similarly, it's "mix tape" (or whatever other medium) because it *is* a mix - a specific, programmed set of songs - not just "mixed" (like "mixed nuts"), a random collection. I'm not arguing etymology; I'm arguing why a lot of people refer to them the way they do. (FWIW, my gmail ads on the margin refer to "box sets" - not "boxed sets.") There. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:03:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: KEN "My yelling got me put out of the art store" THE KENSTER On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Eddie Tews wrote: > would you argue, for example, that it's "can ham" rather that "canned ham"? Not yet. But it *is* "ice cream" now, not "iced cream," and it looks like "iced tea" may be heading that way, too. Might not be too long before it really *is* "can ham"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:22:24 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: KEN "My yelling got me put out of the art store" THE KENSTER On 7/8/05, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Eddie Tews wrote: > > > would you argue, for example, that it's "can ham" rather that "canned ham"? > > Not yet. But it *is* "ice cream" now, not "iced cream," and it looks like > "iced tea" may be heading that way, too. Might not be too long before it > really *is* "can ham"... Except that "canned ham" doesn't present the phonetic challenges common to "iced cream," "iced tea," "boxed set," and "mixed tape": the need to pronounce a "t" sound immediately prior to either a second consonant or a second "t" sound. Okay, technically "h" is a consonant...but barely, and in practice "canned ham" comes out almost like "can dam." But you're right that the "iced" examples show that the tendency to drop the d. With "iced cream" this makes logical sense, since few people know the process of its creation and don't associate it with "cream" any more - but less so with "ice tea," which isn't tea made from ice. Then again, the rapper isn't "Iced T" is he. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:41:20 -0400 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: robyn gigs! i haven't been as on-top of the lists as i should be so apologies if these are old news. i missed them since they were buried a scroll or two down the auditorium . thanks to google news alerts which caught this article mentioning the largo show. Tour Dates US Dates July 9 Largo Los Angeles, CA September 2 The Crocodile Cafe Seattle, WA September 8 Crystal Ballroom Portland, OR UK Dates September 26 Barbican (Dylan tribute) London woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:55:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Eatin' crow After debacle, MTV, VH1 will rerun Live 8 shows LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - After a drubbing from critics, MTV and VH1 will rerun 10 hours of coverage of the Live 8 concert events without commercials on Saturday. VH1 will carry the first five hours from 10 a.m.-3 p.m., while MTV will carry the second leg from 3-8 p.m. MTV was roundly assailed by pundits and critics for the frequent commercial breaks and other interruptions during its live coverage of the July 2 concerts. "In the wake of our coverage, our viewers have resoundingly told us online they want to see full performances from their favorite artists," MTV Networks Music Group president Van Toffler said Thursday. [PS I downloaded Roxy Music's Live8 videos last night, and the band was disappointingly "off." In particular, "Love Is the Drug" sounded like a casual soundcheck. Placebo was good, though...Molko even addressed the Paris crowd in French, which was kinda endearing.] ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #166 ********************************