From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #137 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 2 2005 Volume 14 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: What, No Decembrists? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: What, No Decembrists? [Jason Brown ] Re: What, No Decembrists? [Benjamin Lukoff ] Don't you hate it when... ["Eddie Tews" ] Re: Don't you hate it when... [Eb ] Re: What, No Decembrists? [FSThomas ] Re: Don't you hate it when... [FSThomas ] Re: What, No Decembrists? [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: I've written pages upon pages just to rid you from my bones..... [Ca] Re: reap [Capuchin ] Re: reap [Jason Brown ] Robyn sighting ["Marc Holden" ] The Hurleygraph/campaign good despite the rock stars ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: What, No Decembrists? [FSThomas ] Re: What, No Decembrists? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] San Francisco, 11/17/03 show on LMA [Michael Zelner ] Re: The Hurleygraph/campaign good despite the rock stars [Benjamin Lukoff] Re: What, No Decembrists? [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Sir Bob [James Dignan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:12:24 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? Jason Brown wrote: > > To rebut the whole concept of this concert. Here is an article > written by an acquaintance of mine. http://tinyurl.com/dftcb Didja hafta hide the fact it was from The Telegraph? Free market porn purporting to be news, railing against fair trade as "subsidies". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:38:19 -0700 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? On 5/31/05, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Jason Brown wrote: > > To rebut the whole concept of this concert. Here is an article > > written by an acquaintance of mine. http://tinyurl.com/dftcb > > Didja hafta hide the fact it was from The Telegraph? Free market porn > purporting to be news, railing against fair trade as "subsidies". Now I don't purport to know the whole British newspaper scene but I was under the impression that the Telegraph was the boring conservative broadsheet not one of the brash conservative tabloids with topless girls on page 3 like the Sun. Was wrong on that score? I didn't intend to hide the source. The URL was a bit long and i wasn't sure it would post well, hence tinyurl. Franklin is from Ghana and thinks Africans have to fix their own problems from the ground up and no amount of outside monies will change that. I fail to see how that is bad idea. Perhaps if the west stopped giving money that mostly ends up propping up upper class regime, the people themselves would become more empowered. The idea that poverty can be ended through these concerts or by actions of the G8 is both silly and naive. Poverty won't be ended until humans stop being humans and cease being assholes to each other. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? On Tue, 31 May 2005, Jason Brown wrote: > On 5/31/05, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Jason Brown wrote: > > > To rebut the whole concept of this concert. Here is an article > > > written by an acquaintance of mine. http://tinyurl.com/dftcb > > > > Didja hafta hide the fact it was from The Telegraph? Free market porn > > purporting to be news, railing against fair trade as "subsidies". > > Now I don't purport to know the whole British newspaper scene but I > was under the impression that the Telegraph was the boring > conservative broadsheet not one of the brash conservative tabloids > with topless girls on page 3 like the Sun. Was wrong on that score? No, you were spot on. The Telegraph is nothing like the Sun (unless you think they're both operated by right-wing raving loonies). Compared to American papers it isn't right-wing at all, but that's another story. > The idea that poverty can be ended through these concerts or by > actions of the G8 is both silly and naive. Poverty won't be ended > until humans stop being humans and cease being assholes to each other. Which will never happen. Might as well enjoy the concert in the meantime... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:18:14 -0700 From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: Don't you hate it when... ...you're as excited as billy-hell at having just coined a cool new phrase; but then you find that, having entered the phrase into the nearest search engine, it isn't new at all? well, "george orwell olympics" just came to me (i mean, it's not so difficult these days to think of such things), and google is *not* aware of the phrase. so, yay me! by the way, to see the phrase in context, log on to . KEN "All deliveries in the rear" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:22:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Don't you hate it when... > by the way, to see the phrase in context, log on to > . > Ya forgot a "l" in your URL, bubba. Retro discovery of late: the Rezillos. Fun stuff. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:35:24 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? Rant II: > No, you were spot on. The Telegraph is nothing like the Sun (unless you > think they're both operated by right-wing raving loonies). Compared to > American papers it isn't right-wing at all, but that's another story. Now that...that made me laugh. Not a gentle chortle, but a genuine gut-wrenching belly laugh. Have you read the New York Times lately?!? Or the LA Times? Maybe the Slantinel? Please. There's bountiful evidence of bias in the US papers, you really don't have to look too far. >>The idea that poverty can be ended through these concerts or by >>actions of the G8 is both silly and naive. Poverty won't be ended >>until humans stop being humans and cease being assholes to each other. > > > Which will never happen. Might as well enjoy the concert in the > meantime... It may not well very happen, but I doubt that the loss of the War would fall on Mr. Geldof's shoulders. The problem is--and I doubt few in this forum would agree with me--with a societal reliance on governmental assistance. If one wants to solve the problem of poverty one needs to start with a removal of government assistance and move rather to a reinforcement on the ability of the individual. On a State and regional level to reinforce personal responsibility. Until there is that, we're all (the Royal all), doomed. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:41:23 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Don't you hate it when... Eddie Tews wrote: > ...you're as excited as billy-hell at having just coined a cool new > phrase; but then you find that, having entered the phrase into the nearest > search engine, it isn't new at all? > > well, "george orwell olympics" just came to me (i mean, it's not so > difficult these days to think of such things), and google is *not* aware of > the phrase. so, yay me! > > by the way, to see the phrase in context, log on to > . > > > > KEN "All deliveries in the rear" THE KENSTER I am finding it very, very hard to digest the fact that emails attributed to Eddie Tews (tews@drizzle.com) are coming through as from Ken "All deliveries in the rear" The Kenster. Ken: what have you done with Eddie, and, if it all plays out to not be *that* harsh, what can I do to get him back? If you've mystically done something with Eddie to throw the Feds off his tail, don't feel obligated to reply to this email. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 22:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, FSThomas wrote: > Rant II: > > > No, you were spot on. The Telegraph is nothing like the Sun (unless you > > think they're both operated by right-wing raving loonies). Compared to > > American papers it isn't right-wing at all, but that's another story. > > Now that...that made me laugh. Not a gentle chortle, but a genuine > gut-wrenching belly laugh. Have you read the New York Times lately?!? > Or the LA Times? Maybe the Slantinel? Please. There's bountiful > evidence of bias in the US papers, you really don't have to look too far. I don't think I ever said US papers weren't biased. > >>The idea that poverty can be ended through these concerts or by > >>actions of the G8 is both silly and naive. Poverty won't be ended > >>until humans stop being humans and cease being assholes to each other. > > > > > > Which will never happen. Might as well enjoy the concert in the > > meantime... > > It may not well very happen, but I doubt that the loss of the War would > fall on Mr. Geldof's shoulders. The problem is--and I doubt few in this > forum would agree with me--with a societal reliance on governmental > assistance. If one wants to solve the problem of poverty one needs to > start with a removal of government assistance and move rather to a > reinforcement on the ability of the individual. On a State and regional > level to reinforce personal responsibility. Until there is that, we're > all (the Royal all), doomed. I'll agree with you! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: I've written pages upon pages just to rid you from my bones..... On Mon, 30 May 2005, Jill Brand wrote: > Warsaw may have been great, but you didn't get to here "I Don't Want to > Lose Your Love Tonight" or "Shame on Wet Rocks" (Colin's closest > approximation to a RH song, as far as I can tell). Hey Jill, you DO have Colin's cover of Messages of Dark from the RH tribute show a few years back, don't you? I've an MP3 of the thing around here somewhere. Actually, I have the whole tribute gig (which includes a few by Colin and a few with Colin and Paul) on MD, but STILL haven't digitized and chopped up the thing... that might be a good project for after finals. At a show here a couple of years back, I asked Colin to play Flesh Cartoons. He got as far as "Linda Ryan" and then laughed and said he couldn't remember the words. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: reap On Tue, 31 May 2005, Jason Brown wrote: > The secrecy of Deep Throat's identity: > http://tinyurl.com/cv3se > http://tinyurl.com/89uoh I think it's probably wise to be skeptical here. Woodward hasn't confirmed and the Post has no comment. See, if Woodward denies it's him, he's giving an option for a sort of process of elimination game that he's not going to play. But if it's really him, I can't imagine why Woodward wouldn't confirm. I still think it's Pat Buchanan, anyway. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:11:27 -0700 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: reap On 5/31/05, Capuchin wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2005, Jason Brown wrote: > > The secrecy of Deep Throat's identity: > > http://tinyurl.com/cv3se > > http://tinyurl.com/89uoh > > I think it's probably wise to be skeptical here. Woodward hasn't > confirmed and the Post has no comment. The post has now confirmed; as has Woodward. See headline: Post Confirms Felt Was 'Deep Throat' over at http://www.washingtonpost.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 23:45:40 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Robyn sighting I don't remember this one being mentioned, but the most recent Minus 5 EP "At the Organ" has a video of the song The Town that Lost Its Groove Supply. I finally got around to watching it (I'd listened to the EP months ago), and was surprised to see Robyn introduce the video. It's only a few seconds, but worth sticking in the computer if you have the CD handy, Marc There should be a detective show called "Johnny Monkey," because every week you could have a guy say "I ain't gonna get caught by no MONKEY," but then he would, and I don't think I'd ever get tired of that. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:31:22 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: The Hurleygraph/campaign good despite the rock stars The Telegraph is the most right-wing newspaper we have - obsessed with promoting free market economics and Liz Hurley. Used to have a good reputation but this is long since no longer the case. The article is just the sort of thing I'd expect to read within its pages. It's a pretty poor rebuttal, imo. Developing markets need protecting in order to thrive. How on Earth did you think the developed world made all its money? I can't really be arsed to go into it and I think it's probably sparing the vast majority of the list if I don't. If you're interested, this is probably a good place to start. http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/whatwewant/trade.shtml Let me be perfectly clear, however: Them line-ups for this new Live Aid (thought the first one was a car crash event - couldn't pull my eyes away from it even though I so desperately wanted to) made me want to chew my own legs off and beat myself to death with them... music is in a pretty dreadful state by the look of it. As for "Poverty won't be ended until humans stop being humans and cease being assholes to each other" - isn't it great to be in such a comfortable position that you can be so glib? Cheers Matt >From: Jason Brown > > Didja hafta hide the fact it was from The Telegraph? Free market porn > > purporting to be news, railing against fair trade as "subsidies". > >Now I don't purport to know the whole British newspaper scene but I >was under the impression that the Telegraph was the boring >conservative broadsheet not one of the brash conservative tabloids >with topless girls on page 3 like the Sun. Was wrong on that score? > >I didn't intend to hide the source. The URL was a bit long and i >wasn't sure it would post well, hence tinyurl. > >Franklin is from Ghana and thinks Africans have to fix their own >problems from the ground up and no amount of outside monies will >change that. I fail to see how that is bad idea. Perhaps if the west >stopped giving money that mostly ends up propping up upper class >regime, the people themselves would become more empowered. > >The idea that poverty can be ended through these concerts or by >actions of the G8 is both silly and naive. Poverty won't be ended >until humans stop being humans and cease being assholes to each other. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:09:07 +0100 (BST) From: Tulloch Subject: Re: The Hurleygraph/campaign good despite the rock stars Of course I agree that the line up is horrible and (mainstream) music is in a dreadful state but in raising money for charity Geldof has to aim for the lowest common denomenator to maximise donations and the profile of the event. He's even getting the Spice Girls to reform which, to me, is a frightening prospect but it's going to attract a hell of a lot of the tabloid reading/Big Brother watching public. And, let's face it, the original Live Aid line up wasn't that musically brilliant but reflected what was most popular at the time. I'd love a line up which included Robyn, the Decemberists, the Sadies and other Feg-friendly acts but that won't raise the money that the mainstream acts will. The Telegraph is reffered to as the "Torygraph" over here because it's virtually the house organ of the Conservative Party. Matt Sewell wrote: Let me be perfectly clear, however: Them line-ups for this new Live Aid (thought the first one was a car crash event - couldn't pull my eyes away from it even though I so desperately wanted to) made me want to chew my own legs off and beat myself to death with them... music is in a pretty dreadful state by the look of it. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:56:38 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? On 5/31/05, FSThomas wrote: > It may not well very happen, but I doubt that the loss of the War would > fall on Mr. Geldof's shoulders. The problem is--and I doubt few in this > forum would agree with me--with a societal reliance on governmental > assistance. If one wants to solve the problem of poverty one needs to > start with a removal of government assistance and move rather to a > reinforcement on the ability of the individual. On a State and regional > level to reinforce personal responsibility. Until there is that, we're > all (the Royal all), doomed. What do you mean by "on a State and regional level to reinforce personal responsibility"? At any rate, I'm all for people taking responsibility for the consequences of their actions. Like Bush, and Rumsfeld. Start there. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:14:01 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? Jeff wrote: > At any rate, I'm all for people taking responsibility for the > consequences of their actions. > > Like Bush, and Rumsfeld. Start there. Just because Clinton's under the weather is no reason to give him a pass, either. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:30:08 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? Jason Brown wrote: > On 5/31/05, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > .. I was under the impression that the Telegraph was the boring > conservative broadsheet Pornography doesn't need pictures. It's kind of, "The free market will save us (fap fap fap)" > Franklin is from Ghana and thinks Africans have to fix their own > problems from the ground up and no amount of outside monies will > change that. Amen to that, but the rail against fair trade was cheap. Fair trade isn't aid in any shape. > The idea that poverty can be ended through these concerts or by > actions of the G8 is both silly and naive. Amen to that, too. It's just big egos, on both stages. cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:48:02 -0700 From: Michael Zelner Subject: San Francisco, 11/17/03 show on LMA I posted a BitTorrent version of this last year -- now it's freshly uploaded to the Live Music Archive, to download (or stream) whenever you want: Here's a link to Mike Kupietz' review: MZ - --------------michaelz@zoka.com--- Michael Zelner - ---Oakland CA USA---------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: The Hurleygraph/campaign good despite the rock stars On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Matt Sewell wrote: > The Telegraph is the most right-wing newspaper we have - obsessed with > promoting free market economics and Liz Hurley. Used to have a good > reputation but this is long since no longer the case. Bet you hate the Economist, too. > As for "Poverty won't be ended until humans stop being humans and cease > being assholes to each other" - isn't it great to be in such a > comfortable position that you can be so glib? Yes, it is! But do you really dispute the statement? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: What, No Decembrists? On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Jeff wrote: > At any rate, I'm all for people taking responsibility for the > consequences of their actions. > > Like Bush, and Rumsfeld. Start there. If we wait for them to do it, it'll never happen. We'd better take the lead. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:19:33 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Sir Bob >Oh, and while I have the Complain-o-Phone on: I think Geldof is a >"Sir" too - but there's something ludicrous in non-Brits actually >using such medieval honorifics, esp. for rock (using the term loosely) >musicians. It's an honorary knighthood. Although the newspapers call him "Sir Bob", as an Irish citizen he can't use it as part of his name (in the same way that "Sir Bob Hope" didn't). Macca, on the other hand, is a British citizen, and as such can use the Sir. ISTR that you can still refer to his Boomtown-Rattyness as Bob Geldof KBE, but that's as far as it goes. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #137 ********************************