From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #120 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 10 2005 Volume 14 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! [Benjamin Lukoff ] RE: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans ["Matt Sewell" ] election stuff [Christopher Gross ] Re: election stuff [Jeff ] Re: election stuff [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans [Benjamin Lukoff ] RE: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: election stuff [Christopher Gross ] Re: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans [Eb ] Re: election stuff [Jeff ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! I never said I was a Democrat, either--I said I wasn't a Republican. I consider myself an independent and if I have to pick a party I pick Libertarian. I'm very left-wing on personal issues and more center-right on economic ones. I know of at least one other person on this list who would probably be considered a Democrat but who came out as a Conservative using this quiz, so I think the UK must really be far to the left of the US as a whole. On Mon, 9 May 2005, Matt Sewell wrote: > Well that's terrifying - over here UKIP are seen as the really scary > right-wing nutters of the election. And you say you're a Democrat? Like I > said, that reall is worrying. > > Cheers > > Matt > >From: Benjamin Lukoff > >I took the "What Party Should You Vote For?" (or whatever it was) online > >quiz and I was told I should vote UKIP. (Order of preference: UKIP, > >Conservative, Lib Dem, Labour--Green was in there somewhere, I forget > >which, probably just befoer Labour.) > > > >I'm American. And I'm not a Republican. Yet I understand the UKIP to be > >considered a far-right party in Britain. So we really ARE that much more > >conservative, as a nation, than Britain, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:10:32 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! On 5/9/05, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > I know of at least one other person on this list who would probably be > considered a Democrat but who came out as a Conservative using this quiz, > so I think the UK must really be far to the left of the US as a whole. Probably so - most Democrats here are pretty conservative, at least in my impression of a European political spectrum. Does anyone have the link to that quiz? - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:46:35 -0700 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! > Does anyone have the link to that quiz? http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:12:47 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! > http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ I'm equal parts LibDem and Green. What do I win? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:21:13 -0400 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! one time at band camp, Brian Huddell (bhuddell@bellsouth.net) said: >> http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ >I'm equal parts LibDem and Green. What do I win? scurvy! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:21:28 -0700 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! On 5/9/05, Brian Huddell wrote: > > http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ > > I'm equal parts LibDem and Green. What do I win? A 30-inch-burrito: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/burrito_lockdown I came out solidly Tory. Which tracks well with my status as a moderate Democrat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:44:08 +0100 (BST) From: Tulloch Subject: Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! I came out as 87 Lib Dem and 83 Green which is quite accurate, as I voted Lib Dem in the national election and Green in the local council election. I was rather pleased that I was also minus 37 Conservative - as I said to the poor lady canvasser at the last election, "I'm sorry, love, but I'd rather eat my own bollocks than vote Tory". She at least had the wit to reply "I'll put you down as a 'no' then". Jason Brown wrote:On 5/9/05, Brian Huddell wrote: > > http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ > > I'm equal parts LibDem and Green. What do I win? A 30-inch-burrito: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/burrito_lockdown I came out solidly Tory. Which tracks well with my status as a moderate Democrat. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - want a free & easy way to contact your friends online? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:20:18 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! On 5/9/05, Jason Brown wrote: > > Does anyone have the link to that quiz? > > http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ Some questions I rated "neutral" simply because I'm not familiar enough with the British scene to say anything coherent...but my results were 60 Liberal Democrat, 55 Green, -2 Labour, -12 UKIP, -32 Conservative. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:50:55 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: A concert of kings as the white sea snaps... > is anyone else mysteriously attracted to a daily listen to the shipping > forecast on the bbc? I can remember I used to as a young kid - it was hypnotic, all theis weird placenames... Finisterre, Dogger, German Bight, etc. As to "The Masters Singers", later the Kings Singers, as mentioned on the blogsite our very own woj linked, they are also sampled on the latest offering from Lemon jelly, FWIW, with a barely perceptible sample of their wonderful take on Flanders & Swann's "Slow Train". Weather forecasts, or other broadcast weather comments have been used elsewhere in songs, I'm sure - "Dun Ringhill" by Jethro Tull features the voice of a British weather forecaster, and Fortran 5's "Heavy cloud building" has a snippit of weather related cricket commentary. Can't think of others offhand, but I'm sure there are some. - --- Matt wrote: >Well that's terrifying - over here UKIP are seen as the really scary >right-wing nutters of the election. And you say you're a Democrat? Like I >said, that reall is worrying. > > >From: Benjamin Lukoff > >I took the "What Party Should You Vote For?" (or whatever it was) online > >quiz and I was told I should vote UKIP. (Order of preference: UKIP, > >Conservative, Lib Dem, Labour--Green was in there somewhere, I forget > >which, probably just befoer Labour.) > > > >I'm American. And I'm not a Republican. Yet I understand the UKIP to be > >considered a far-right party in Britain. So we really ARE that much more > >conservative, as a nation, than Britain, eh? where is/was this online quiz? URL? And yes, UKIP is somewhere very near the right-hand edge of your screen in Britain. I think only BNP/NF are further right. - --- >I expect there are more foreign-born Americans than Indians - I don't >remember any wholesale slaughter of foreign-born Americans... To (probably mis-)quote the excellent Australian series "The Games": A:"Race relations problems? We don't have much of them - I mean, bring in any Tasmanian Aborigine of the street and ask him whether there are any race relation problems!" B:"We can't - they were wiped out in the 1890s." James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:08:07 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans Now then, Can any of you good people tell me where the best place to start is in regard to Sleater Kinney? I've been putting off developing a proper taste for them for a while now - I've only a couple of odd tracks from compilations and have always been pretty impressed. Which album should I get? Cheers Matt Utsire, rising, good. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:02:02 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans - -----Original Message----- From: Matt Sewell [mailto:matt_sewell@hotmail.com] >Now then, >Can any of you good people tell me where the best place to start is in >regard to Sleater Kinney? I've been putting off developing a proper taste >for them for a while now - I've only a couple of odd tracks from >compilations and have always been pretty impressed. Which album should I >get? >Cheers I don't have all of them, but DIG ME OUT would be my starting out recommendation. Michael B. NP Hank Mobley - Roll Call ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! On Tue, 10 May 2005, Tulloch wrote: > I came out as 87 Lib Dem and 83 Green which is quite accurate, as I > voted Lib Dem in the national election and Green in the local council > election. I was rather pleased that I was also minus 37 Conservative - I'm not surprised to see that I came out 12 Labour, -49 Conservative, -15 UKIP, 107 LibDem, and 115 Green. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans On Tue, 10 May 2005, Matt Sewell wrote: > Can any of you good people tell me where the best place to start is in > regard to Sleater Kinney? It's easiest to start in Olympia. You can get there from I-5 in either direction. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:17:51 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans To be honest, that sounds a little out-of-the-way for me - think I'll go with Mr Bachman's admirable suggestion - just looked it up and it looks exactly what I'm after... Mind you, one day I'd *love* to make my way slowly up from SF to Seattle... would I pass through Olympia? CheersMatt >From: Capuchin >Reply-To: Capuchin >On Tue, 10 May 2005, Matt Sewell wrote: >>Can any of you good people tell me where the best place to start is >>in >>regard to Sleater Kinney? > >It's easiest to start in Olympia. You can get there from I-5 in >either direction. > >J. >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:02:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: election stuff What was the URL for that which-UK-party-should-you-vote-for site? I was away for the weekend and deleted most of my Feg mail, but now I want to try it. I did a quick skim through the last few digests but didn't see it. Thanks, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:33:04 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: election stuff On 5/10/05, Christopher Gross wrote: > What was the URL for that which-UK-party-should-you-vote-for site? I was > away for the weekend and deleted most of my Feg mail, but now I want to > try it. I did a quick skim through the last few digests but didn't see > it. Thanks, Here it is again... one-two - http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ - XU! - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:47:36 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: election stuff I took the quiz, and I feel more and more assured that I've shed my Southern Baptist upbringing. I worry less about my next trip to the UK (perhaps I should make a badge of some sort? -- "Yes, I'm American, but I would've voted LibDem!"). :) Labour 5 Conservative -20 Liberal Democrat 49 UKIP -1 Green 43 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans On Tue, 10 May 2005, Matt Sewell wrote: > Mind you, one day I'd *love* to make my way slowly up from SF to > Seattle... would I pass through Olympia? Sure, if you take 101 or I-5 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:59:18 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Seeking a dream in the old election.... yeah! I am right in there somewhat with with Brian and Dolph. Labour 26 Conservative -38 Liberal Democrat 67 UKIP -21 Green 59 T-minus 80 hours until seeing the Gang of Four! Did anyone get the remastered ENTERTAINMENT! with the bonus cuts yet? Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:03:11 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans Aaah... 101 and I-5 are roads, eh? American roads I'd love to traverse, preferably on a bicycle. It's just for the moment I'm the wrong side of the Atlantic (or Pacific for that matter). Still, one day... Cheers Matt >From: Benjamin Lukoff > > Mind you, one day I'd *love* to make my way slowly up from SF to > > Seattle... would I pass through Olympia? > >Sure, if you take 101 or I-5 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:08:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: election stuff I got: Labour 3 Conservative -11 Liberal Democrat 39 UKIP -8 Green 41 I'm glad they gave us five options instead of just agree/disagree, but there were still some questions that I found too restrictive. For example, "The UK should have an annual limit on immigration." Is that ANY limit? I don't see a problem with the UK's current level of immigration (which is quite low by American standards), but I suspect that, say, ten million immigrants a year might be a bit of a strain. I think any country should probably have *some* limit, but that doesn't mean I believe in *low* limits. (In the end I picked "agree," on the theory that "strongly agree" would be what the UKIP wants.) Similarly with the one about a 50% tax on incomes over 100K; if you think there should be a 50% tax level but not until people make over 200K, should you pick "agree" or "disagree"? A lot of the questions just don't have an American equivalent, especially the ones about the EU, so I'd take those Americans supposedly to the right of the UKIP with a grain of salt. (BTW, where are the British National Party and the Communists?) - --Green Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:19:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Attn. Sleater Kinney fans > Can any of you good people tell me where the best place to start is in > regard to Sleater Kinney? I honestly don't think it matters. None of their albums are disappointing, and I don't think any of them strongly stands out either. The new album, The Woods, comes out shortly...I hear it's a bit of a departure. May be a little more mainstream, a little more of a "production." Everyone should hear "Step Aside" off the last album, though. Wow. That is one of the most exhilarating songs I've ever heard. I was totally in love with that song, as an entity separate from the album (One Beat). Incredible. Did anyone see the Z Channel documentary on IFC yesterday? Really inspiring. Wow, that channel must have been amazing. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:34:31 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: election stuff On 5/10/05, Christopher Gross wrote: > agree" would be what the UKIP wants.) Similarly with the one about a 50% > tax on incomes over 100K; if you think there should be a 50% tax level but > not until people make over 200K, should you pick "agree" or "disagree"? 'Course, 100K pounds is about equal to 200K dollars... But yeah, I'd say "agree" rather than "strongly agree" would be the right answer: you're not punching the air going "yes!" but you're certainly tending that direction even if the details need to be worked out. At least, that's how I approached those kinds of questions. What's funny is that if the answers were rephrased as percentages, where 50% means "don't know or don't care," it'd be a lot clearer what "80%" means. I think. Or even better, maybe: "are somewhat happy with" "are happy with" "are very happy with"... Or perhaps a comparison scale: Compared to a 50% tax on incomes over 100K, I'd rather (a) be vomited upon by a diarrheiac goat (b) listen to a small, hyperactive child on a drum kit for an hour (c) imagine wind (d)...uh, this side kinda breaks down doesn't it. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #120 ********************************