From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #111 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 3 2005 Volume 14 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Bands I'll never see..... [Jeff ] recent music stuff ["Marc Holden" ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Attention Firefly fans.... [Sumiko Keay ] Re: Bands I'll never see..... [Jason Brown ] Re: RH and archive.org [john halewood ] Re: Attention Firefly fans.... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Bands I'll never see..... [Benjamin Lukoff ] The Who Sell Out and Whoa, that woj [Jill Brand ] Re: The Who Sell Out and Whoa, that woj [Eb ] The Forgotten Arm ["Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" ] Re: The Who Sell Out and Whoa, that woj [Jeff ] Please Note ["Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" ] Re: RH and archive.org ["Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" ] Re: Scooter Lou ["Nora B." ] The Cream Reunites [Tom Clark ] Gray Davis Newz (OT) ["Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:17:26 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Bands I'll never see..... On 5/2/05, Tom Clark wrote: > I was disappointed to hear that Feargal Sharkey was not a part of the > reunion. My limited knowledge of the band tells me this is a bad > thing. How the hell can a band w/o Sharkey singing be the Undertones? That's like saying Ringo and three other random guys is the Beatles. Well, maybe not quite that extreme - but close. Hrmmph. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:23:40 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: recent music stuff A quick note before heading to work, barely awake-- Just got back from Coachella a few hours ago, a great weekend overall. I had to head to the concert late on Saturday, and got there towards the end of Wilco. Saturday saw: Wilco (just a bit) Weezer (enjoyable, but not amazing) Bauhaus (first few songs of the set, great sound, Peter Murphy hanging upside down for Bela Lagosi) Mercury Rev (best set of the day) Coldplay (good set, some sound problems) Sunday saw: Sloan (very good set) Autolux (very good set) Jem (bit of set, I was only there to get position for next band, forgettable) Fiery Furnaces (BLAZIN'--best set of the weekend, caught the only drumstick tossed out) Futureheads (enjoyable, but sound problems) Gang of Four (first few songs, sounded great) Arcade Fire (great set, but lots of sound problems) Dresden Dolls (bit of set, very entertaining) New Order (last few songs of set, eehhh) Nine Inch Nails (good set, poor sound) The Faint (last couple of songs, good) Bright Eyes (very good set) saw in crowd--Scott Weiland (walked by us before Nine Inch Nails, then saw him in the VIP area throughout Bright Eyes) On Thursday, I went to see Neko Case & Calexico near my house. GREAT show. Calexico had a full mariachi band play during there set, as well as Neko and band joining them (Joey and John both were part of her band). Robyn related bits: I asked Neko how she liked the Hitchcock show at Hotel Congress last month. She said she liked it a lot, but she had been in an odd mood that evening--she got hit by a car before the show, an older lady knocked her off her bicycle, but she was basically okay. Joey Burns noticed my Jewels for Sophia t-shirt, stopping to say, "Nice shirt". Got to run now, Marc bonus music sighting: Elton John was on our flight back from London a couple of weeks ago, and tried to help my mom and I find one our bags while he was searching for his last suitcase. Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:24:15 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter, 63. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:40:27 -0500 From: Sumiko Keay Subject: Re: Attention Firefly fans.... I was terribly disappointed to get all "children's movies" in the trailers before H2G2. I was hoping for "Serenity" and/or "Batman Begins". (Well, all children's movies except for "Corpse Bride" -- but I bet the local theatre thought that this had to be a kids' movie because it is animated.) Sumi On 5/1/05, wojizzle forizzle wrote: > one time at band camp, Sebastian Hagedorn said: > >-- Sumiko Keay is rumored to have mumbled on 26. > >April 2005 15:27:45 -0500 regarding Re: Attention Firefly fans....: > > > >>And it is so very pretty. > >> > >>sumi > >> > >>On 4/26/05, Christopher Gross wrote: > >>>The Serenity trailer is now online: > >>> > >>>http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/serenity/ > > > >You meant to say "shiny" ;-) > > seb! on this list is is MANDATORY to punctuate all sentences. inside or > outside the quotes, i don't care, but an emoticon is not punctuation. > (actually, that opens up a whole can of worms -- does the emoticon go > inside or outside the quotes? and what about when it's inside a > parenthetical aside? ;) ) > > woj > > p.s. oh yeah. serenity. fweeeeeeeeeee! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:01:33 -0700 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: Bands I'll never see..... On 5/2/05, Jeff wrote: > On 5/2/05, Tom Clark wrote: > > I was disappointed to hear that Feargal Sharkey was not a part of the > > reunion. My limited knowledge of the band tells me this is a bad > > thing. > > How the hell can a band w/o Sharkey singing be the Undertones? > > That's like saying Ringo and three other random guys is the Beatles. > Well, maybe not quite that extreme - but close. Hrmmph. I think it's more like if the Soft Bos had a reunion tour with Morris, Andy, Kim, and Matthew. While Robyn sat it out. Sure they are all each a legitimante Soft Boy. But without Robyn it is not the Soft Boys. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:57:20 +0100 From: john halewood Subject: Re: RH and archive.org On 5/2/05, wojizzle forizzle wrote: > obviously, if it's your tape that you're uploading, go for it! but if you > have a umpteenth generation copy of a show or a cd that you don't know the > details about, please ask since chances are good that a lot of us already > know their history. Good point. As most of my stuff has come to me electronically, rather than physically I can't always be sure of the lineage. Perhaps if before we upload we post the details here first and wait for someone to scream that they've got a better version? Another thing - I've noticed that for many bands archive.org has multiple encodings available for each gig - usually shn, wav and mp3 (sometimes two different mp3 levels). Should we just stick to non-lossy formats, or do archive.org do this automatically? cheers john n.p. Van der Graaf Generator - "Nutter Alert" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:53:02 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Attention Firefly fans.... Sumiko Keay wrote: > I was terribly disappointed to get all "children's movies" in the > trailers before H2G2. I was hoping for "Serenity" and/or "Batman > Begins". We had Batman Begins in Toronto; looks like awful guff to me. What I really objected to was that, after the ads, after the trailers, after the 'Feature Presentation' banner, and after the production company credits, we got an ad for ... Chicken Little ?? Since it featured 'Wonderful World', and the world blowing up, I thought it was a remix of the Hitchhiker's legend. Bastards. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:38:56 -0500 From: "Allen Rendel" Subject: RE: RH and archive.org I uploaded my first RH show to archive.org today...it is pending approval right now. When you upload your lossless files, the archive.org server will automatically make lossy copies unless you tell it not to. I've gone ahead and let it do so for mine because I just don't have that strong an opinion about the mp3 issue - I don't collect or trade for them but don't care if other people do. XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO Alien - -----Original Message----- From: owner-tapermaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-tapermaniax@smoe.org]On Behalf Of john halewood Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:57 AM To: Fegism; bayard; tapermaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: RH and archive.org On 5/2/05, wojizzle forizzle wrote: > obviously, if it's your tape that you're uploading, go for it! but if you > have a umpteenth generation copy of a show or a cd that you don't know the > details about, please ask since chances are good that a lot of us already > know their history. Good point. As most of my stuff has come to me electronically, rather than physically I can't always be sure of the lineage. Perhaps if before we upload we post the details here first and wait for someone to scream that they've got a better version? Another thing - I've noticed that for many bands archive.org has multiple encodings available for each gig - usually shn, wav and mp3 (sometimes two different mp3 levels). Should we just stick to non-lossy formats, or do archive.org do this automatically? cheers john n.p. Van der Graaf Generator - "Nutter Alert" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Bands I'll never see..... On Mon, 2 May 2005, Jason Brown wrote: > On 5/2/05, Jeff wrote: > > On 5/2/05, Tom Clark wrote: > > > I was disappointed to hear that Feargal Sharkey was not a part of the > > > reunion. My limited knowledge of the band tells me this is a bad > > > thing. > > > > How the hell can a band w/o Sharkey singing be the Undertones? > > > > That's like saying Ringo and three other random guys is the Beatles. > > Well, maybe not quite that extreme - but close. Hrmmph. > > I think it's more like if the Soft Bos had a reunion tour with Morris, > Andy, Kim, and Matthew. While Robyn sat it out. Sure they are all > each a legitimante Soft Boy. But without Robyn it is not the Soft > Boys. Michael Clarke toured as the Byrds briefly in the early 90s. That was sad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 20:35:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: The Who Sell Out and Whoa, that woj Woj asked why no one had mentioned Petra Haden's recent "I can do everything better than you" recording of the Who Sell Out. When I first saw it mentioned on the Decemberists' list, I howled laughing, thinking that it was a joke. Then it was mentioned again in a very serious tone, so I followed up on it and listened to a 10 minute NPR interview with her in which she discussed, amongst other things, this recording. The Who Sell Out is possibly my favorite Who album (I kinda sorta stopped liking them a whole lot after Tommy), but I'm not sure I'm ready for a totally a cappella (sp?) version of it. I heard clips on the NPR story, and it sounded pretty good, I must admit. What rocked my world today is that woj posted about 8 times within a 24-hour period. Unheard of. I'm still gathering my wits. Yesterday was my 26th wedding anniversary. Good for me. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:42:26 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Who Sell Out and Whoa, that woj > I heard clips on the NPR story, and it > sounded pretty good, I must admit. I listened to the Amazon clips awhile back, and cringed at her duplications of the "commercials." Kinda pushed the disc into the silly-stunt category, rather than something to be taken as a serious artistic interpretation. > Yesterday was my 26th wedding anniversary. Good for me. Congrats. It was a big weekend for weddings. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:25:48 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" Subject: The Forgotten Arm Hi, I received the new Aimee Mann album to-day :) I've been listening to the streaming version of the songs she has posted (at http://www.aimeemann.com/theforgottenarm.html) so I'm familiar with the songs, but it's great to hear the album in its entirety, since it is, em, a 'concept' album. She has a bit more bounce in her compared to her previous album (personally, I think 'Lost in Space' is her best work so far, but it's nice to hear her songs take on more of an upbeat style.) Aimee's uniqueness for me is her ability to say so much in so few words. Her lyrics seem almost ridiculously simple, but as I continue to listen to her songs, I'm amazed at how very much she manages to say. Word has it she's taken up boxing. My hope is her pen will stay more dangerous than her punch ;) xo Lauren P.S. I don't know how this happened, but I think Aimee is second to Robyn in my personal show count. I seem to see her every time she comes around, and last summer, it was three times on the same tour. She always puts on a great show (although my boyfriend complains that her band is 'too tight', a comment lost on an East-coast control freak such as myself.) If you like her music at all, definitely try to catch one of her shows. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I hate all music. Except 'Roadrunner' by The Modern Lovers." - John Lydon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:49:19 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: The Who Sell Out and Whoa, that woj On 5/2/05, Eb wrote: > I listened to the Amazon clips awhile back, and cringed at her > duplications of the "commercials." Kinda pushed the disc into the > silly-stunt category, rather than something to be taken as a serious > artistic interpretation. Cuz those faux-ads were clearly serious artistic interpretations to begin with - as was Keith Moon in the tub full o' Heinz Baked Beans, right? I mean, I haven't heard Haden's versions of the ads...and they probably do sound silly (esp. hearing her do Entwistle's "Boris"-voiced "beast of a man" Charles Atlas bit) - but they sound silly on the Who album as well! And you know why? Because: they are. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:56:12 -0700 From: "Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" Subject: Please Note that bayard has returned to the flock at the same moment that *Family Guy* has returned to the airwaves. coincidence? i think not! KEN "I am the Dancing Queen" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 01:12:21 -0400 From: "Lauren Elizabeth (gmail)" Subject: Re: RH and archive.org Allen Rendel says: > XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO Kind of overkill on the XOs, but, hey, to each his own ;) xo Lauren - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I hate all music. Except 'Roadrunner' by The Modern Lovers." - John Lydon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:36:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Who Sell Out and Whoa, that woj >> I listened to the Amazon clips awhile back, and cringed at her >> duplications of the "commercials." Kinda pushed the disc into the >> silly-stunt category, rather than something to be taken as a serious >> artistic interpretation. > > Cuz those faux-ads were clearly serious artistic interpretations to > begin with - as was Keith Moon in the tub full o' Heinz Baked Beans, > right? > > I mean, I haven't heard Haden's versions of the ads...and they > probably do sound silly (esp. hearing her do Entwistle's > "Boris"-voiced "beast of a man" Charles Atlas bit) - but they sound > silly on the Who album as well! And you know why? Because: they are. > They were satirical, the first time. The second time...not. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:25:52 -0700 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: Scooter Lou Capuchin > I was speaking to an old schoolmate about a mutual friend of ours that > apparently now has a quite successful website devoted to her nudity and > near-nudity. I asked, "Wow, did she get into much better shape?" and was > answered with this gem that I now repeat daily: > > Photoshop is the best diet ever! No fair telling that story without including a link! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:32:19 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: The Cream Reunites NYTimes May 2, 2005 ROCK REVIEW With Egos Set Aside and Blues on Its Mind, Cream Reunites By JON PARELES LONDON, May 2 - Cream was a crisp, tautly rehearsed band on Monday night in its first full-length concert since 1968. Eric Clapton on guitar, Jack Bruce on bass and Ginger Baker on drums sounded as if they had every song mapped out from introductory riff to precise finish. Their voices were strong; their musicianship was impeccable. Their set list even had a few surprises. Cream was back at the Royal Albert Hall, where it had played the final concert of its two-year career on Nov. 26, 1968. Between then and now, Cream's only reunion was to play three songs when it was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame in 1993. Monday's concert was the first of four sold-out shows being filmed for the inevitable DVD; plans beyond that have not been announced. Scalpers were getting $1,000 a ticket. "Thanks for waiting all these years," Mr. Clapton said onstage. "We didn't go very long. The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune cut us off in our prime." Mr. Baker spoke up: "This is our prime, what do you mean?" Yet the neatness and order of the music were precisely what made Cream's first return engagement underwhelming. It wasn't unity that made Cream one of the great 1960's rock bands. It was the same friction - - of personalities, methods and ambitions - that would soon tear the band apart. From July 1966 to November 1968, Cream came up with songs that were an unlikely blend of Anglicized blues, eccentric pop structures, psychedelic surrealism, melancholia and comic relief. Along with the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream would define both power-trio rock and the potential of jam bands. In its most incendiary 1960's shows, Cream played like three simultaneous soloists, relentlessly competitive and brilliantly volatile. Back then, Mr. Clapton didn't need Robert Johnson's hellhound on his trail; he had Mr. Baker and Mr. Bruce snapping at his heels, goading him with bass countermelodies and bursts of polyrhythm. It was the brashness of youth in sync with the experimental spirit of the era. Cream played with reckless intensity, as if sure that all the risks would pay off; most often, they did. Since Cream broke up, Mr. Clapton has had million-selling albums, Grammy Awards and regular arena tours; his music has grown more temperate. Mr. Bruce followed his musicianly impulses, starting other rock trios (including one in 1994 with Mr. Baker) while also delving into jazz and various fusions. Mr. Baker joined Mr. Clapton's short-lived supergroup, Blind Faith, and went on to build West Africa's first modern recording studio in Nigeria, to farm olives in Tuscany and to run a club in Denver. Mr. Clapton, at 60 the youngest member of Cream, was the most reluctant to reunite the group, and on Monday night, the reunited Cream deferred to him. Lately, his albums have circled back to the blues he has loved since the beginning of his career, and Cream's concert set leaned toward blues. There were borrowed ones, like "I'm So Glad," "Rollin' and Tumblin'," "Spoonful" and "Outside Woman Blues" along with Cream's own blues, like "Politician," and a Clapton showcase that's not part of the Cream discography, "Stormy Monday Blues." When Mr. Clapton took a guitar solo, he played the kind of long-lined, melodic leads, moving from symmetrical phrases to wailing peaks, that he unfolds with his own bands, while Mr. Bruce and Mr. Baker carefully nailed down the riff and the beat. They didn't challenge him much. Mr. Baker had some rambunctious moments, dropping sly snare-drum rolls into "Sitting on Top of the World" and "Stormy Monday Blues." With his band mates offstage, he took a five-minute drum solo during "Toad" that was considerably shorter than the live recording from 1968. He also talk-sang the most unexpected song in the set, "Pressed Rat and Warthog," about shopkeepers with a peculiar inventory, then joked afterward about stocking Cream T-shirts and memorabilia. There were stretches in "Sweet Wine" and "Sunshine of Your Love" where Cream started to hint at its old improvisatory free-for-all. But those passages were brief, quickly heading back to the song. "Crossroads," which Cream once turned into a psychedelic fireball, returned as straightforward blues-rock: not bad, but not revelatory. The other side of Cream's repertory - Mr. Bruce's songs, like "White Room," "N.S.U." and "Deserted Cities of the Heart" - has aged differently. They, too, had a blues feeling, but more in their despondent lyrics then in their music, which stretched pop structures. Nearly four decades later, the songs have grown even more telling, as the mishaps of youth have given way to the irrevocable losses and regrets of maturity. Mr. Bruce sings them no less clearly now, but with far more poignancy. As Mr. Baker rolled mallets across his tom-toms, Mr. Clapton played slow swells of guitar and Mr. Bruce rose to the melody's falsetto peaks, "We're Going Wrong" - written on the way to Cream's 1968 breakup - was lambent in its sorrow. Perhaps Cream's caution reflected first-night jitters about living up to decades of anticipation. In a set that lasted less than two hours, there was ample room for songs to expand if the chemistry was right. With any luck, Cream was just getting reignited. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:14:08 -0700 From: "Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" Subject: Gray Davis Newz (OT) heard today: eels, "Trouble With Dreams" -- WOW! this kicks ninety different kinds of ass (and that's just the first few seconds of the song). damn! new pornographers, "Twin Cinema" -- it's good, even quite good. but i can't help feeling the new album will disappoint. hmmm, there may be a thread in here somewhere: which artists most consistently live up to expectations set by brilliant previous albums? like, how often does the follow-up to a record that was your favourite record in a given year end up in your top-five? interestingly (or not) my fave albums of '01, '02, and '03 are all being followed-up this year: from TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, sleater-kinney, and the new pornographers... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:54:29 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Cream Reunites > Cream was a crisp, tautly rehearsed band on Monday night in its first > full-length concert since 1968. Eric Clapton on guitar, Jack Bruce on > bass and Ginger Baker on drums sounded as if they had every song > mapped out from introductory riff to precise finish. Their voices were > strong; their musicianship was impeccable. > > Yet the neatness and order of the music were precisely what made > Cream's first return engagement underwhelming. This is exactly what I predicted would go wrong with this show. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #111 ********************************