From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #92 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, April 9 2005 Volume 14 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: meta-rap [Vendren ] Re: meta-rap [Jeff ] Get Perpendicular (No RH) [Steve Talkowski ] Re: and...? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: meta-rap ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Pure Awesomeness ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: meta-rap [The Great Quail ] Re: Pure Awesomeness [Jeff ] Re: meta-rap [Jeff ] Re: meta-rap [Aaron Mandel ] Reap [rob@nimbus.demon.co.uk] Re: Reap [Eb ] UNreap [Aaron Lowe ] Re: Reap [Tom Clark ] Re: Reap [Eb ] Panic Over [MichaelBlencowe@aol.com] Safety Dance [Barbara Soutar ] Don't miss out [steve ] Unreap [Stony ] Godwin ["Brian Huddell" ] 20th-century years [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:59:31 -0700 From: Vendren Subject: Re: meta-rap > All I know is, that was likely the first rap a lot of white people heard > (myself included), and it soured me on exploring the form for several > years > at least. I dunno. I thought it was pretty cool. I assumed from Rapture that rapping was supposed to be humourous and surreal. It turned out that most rap was humourless and not surreal at all, which was disappointing. It was some of the first rap I heard. But it wasn't too different from some funky stuff I'd heard from Ian Drury and Godley & Creme around that time, and I assumed Blondie were cashing in on this new British synchopated funk thing that was going on. Rap seemed to emerge from a lot of sources simultaneously from what I could tell. Palle NP: Doves - Some Cities ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:25:28 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: meta-rap On Apr 8, 2005 12:59 AM, Vendren wrote: > > > I dunno. I thought it was pretty cool. I assumed from Rapture that rapping > was supposed to be humourous and surreal. It turned out that most rap was > humourless and not surreal at all, which was disappointing. I'm sure folks who are more into rap than I am could point you towards humorous, surreal rap (I've heard a little, so I know it's out there). But "Rapture" isn't humorous to me - nor surreal. It sounds like Harry thought, oh, rap's about rhyming...and then came up with a syllable with many rhymes that she randomly used. Sorry, but in terms of content it sounds like something a moderately talented third-grader might come up with. Or maybe I'm missing all the apocalyptic dread and incisive social commentary, delivered in a pungent mix of absurdist humor and post-Freudian imagery. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:22:38 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Get Perpendicular (No RH) If you loved School House Rock... http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/ PerpendicularAnimation.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:57:42 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: and...? - --On 7. April 2005 10:44:52 Uhr -0500 Jeff wrote: > Pirate #1: What do you get when you cross two teachers, an anarchist, and > a mule? > > Janitor #2: I don't know, Bubbly - what do you get? > > Pirate #1: Varnish! > > (really, the above should be in German) I'm sad to say I don't get that one *at* *all*! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:42:25 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: meta-rap At 07:25 AM 4/8/2005 -0500, Jeff wrote: >Sorry, but in terms of content it sounds like >something a moderately talented third-grader might come up with. Which still probably makes it the most sophisticated rap song ever written. - --Jason "Well, you ain't Fiona Apple, and if you ain't Fiona Apple, I don't give a rat's ass." -- Officer Barbrady ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:03:20 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Pure Awesomeness Rumor is that this is one of Trent Reznor's side projects. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:46:39 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: meta-rap > It sounds like Harry thought, > oh, rap's about rhyming...and then came up with a syllable with many rhymes > that she randomly used. From: http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/tv_moments/hip_hop/moment_blondie.jhtml Fab 5 Freddy: "The coming together of uptown and downtown was something that I kind of engineered. I was making paintings at the time and having exhibits. My entrie into the downtown scene was a person by the name of Glen O'Brian. He took me under his wing and allowed me to be a part of a public access cable TV show, done in black and white video. Through doing that show, I met Chris Stein, the guitarist from Blondie, who was like Glen's co-host. They would smoke joints right on the air. I was looking for people to be supporters of my work, having done graffiti on the subways to try to move into galleries. Chris Stein and Debbie Harry basically became my patrons." Grandmaster Flash: "Back in the days before Fab 5 Freddy became the huge personality at Yo! MTV, he used to come to my parties. He told me that he was close friends with Blondie, and that he would bring her [Debbie Harry] to one of my parties in the Bronx. I was like, 'Yeah, right.' The audience I was playing for at the particular time was primarily black so when I saw Freddy slowly coming through the crowd and this blonde-haired woman with him, I'm like in slight cardiac arrest almost. She was checking out the set. She said she was a fan, and was gonna do something with me on her next record. I was like, 'She's just telling me anything.' Lo and behold, a couple of months later there's the song and it's everywhere. In a lot of ways we had to go through the back door just to get accepted. Now I'm going through the front door with a high-powered, super influential pop artist like bang! It totally put me on a whole other level." Doug E. Fresh: "Blondie was like Madonna. Blondie was big. When we heard Flash's named mentioned, we was like, 'Yo! Blondie mentioned your name?! That's big playa, that's real big.' It was like it was no longer this little thing around the neighborhood. Now the world knew about it." Kurtis Blow: "January of 1980, Debbie Harry flew me out to England. I remember getting off the plane and here are all these cameras. It's like I'm Mohammed Ali or somebody, right? And all this press, man! She hooked up all of this stuff, and they all wanted to know what it is hip-hop? What is rap and how did it get started and why are you doing this? I'm like oh my God I can't believe this is happening to me." Everlast: "Blondie hit me a little bit more than the Sugarhill Gang 'cause it was bad. They had graffiti writers in the video, and Fab 5 Freddy pretending to write graffiti in the background. It was dope." Nelson George: "Black people are always suspicious of white people using their culture - period. But when Debbie Harry did Saturday Night Live, she had several rappers on with her. She had the Funky Four Plus One on SNL when she did "Rapture." She gave love, as they say. They were very cognizant of the fact that they were taking something from a community that pre-existed. The fact that Fab 5 Freddy and Jean Michel Basquiat are in the video, they knew that they were tapping into something that was larger than what they did." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:39:24 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Pure Awesomeness On Apr 8, 2005 8:03 AM, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > Rumor is that this is one of Trent Reznor's side projects. > > Nah - it looks like U2...with Chris Franz (second from left) sitting in... - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:41:10 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: meta-rap On Apr 8, 2005 9:46 AM, The Great Quail wrote: > > > It sounds like Harry thought, > > oh, rap's about rhyming...and then came up with a syllable with many > rhymes > > that she randomly used. > > From: > http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/tv_moments/hip_hop/moment_blondie.jhtml > > Fab 5 Freddy: > "The coming together of uptown and downtown was something that I kind of > engineered. I was making paintings at the time and having exhibits. My > entrie into the downtown scene was a person by the name of Glen O'Brian. > He > took me under his wing and allowed me to be a part of a public access > cable > TV show, done in black and white video. Through doing that show, I met > Chris > Stein, the guitarist from Blondie, who was like Glen's co-host. They would > smoke joints right on the air. I was looking for people to be supporters > of > my work, having done graffiti on the subways to try to move into > galleries. > Chris Stein and Debbie Harry basically became my patrons." > > Grandmaster Flash: > "Back in the days before Fab 5 Freddy became the huge personality at Yo! > MTV, he used to come to my parties. He told me that he was close friends > with Blondie, and that he would bring her [Debbie Harry] to one of my > parties in the Bronx. I was like, 'Yeah, right.' The audience I was > playing > for at the particular time was primarily black so when I saw Freddy slowly > coming through the crowd and this blonde-haired woman with him, I'm like > in > slight cardiac arrest almost. She was checking out the set. She said she > was > a fan, and was gonna do something with me on her next record. I was like, > 'She's just telling me anything.' Lo and behold, a couple of months later > there's the song and it's everywhere. In a lot of ways we had to go > through > the back door just to get accepted. Now I'm going through the front door > with a high-powered, super influential pop artist like bang! It totally > put > me on a whole other level." > > Doug E. Fresh: > "Blondie was like Madonna. Blondie was big. When we heard Flash's named > mentioned, we was like, 'Yo! Blondie mentioned your name?! That's big > playa, > that's real big.' It was like it was no longer this little thing around > the > neighborhood. Now the world knew about it." > > Kurtis Blow: > "January of 1980, Debbie Harry flew me out to England. I remember getting > off the plane and here are all these cameras. It's like I'm Mohammed Ali > or > somebody, right? And all this press, man! She hooked up all of this stuff, > and they all wanted to know what it is hip-hop? What is rap and how did it > get started and why are you doing this? I'm like oh my God I can't believe > this is happening to me." > > Everlast: > "Blondie hit me a little bit more than the Sugarhill Gang 'cause it was > bad. They had graffiti writers in the video, and Fab 5 Freddy pretending > to > write graffiti in the background. It was dope." > > Nelson George: > "Black people are always suspicious of white people using their culture - > period. But when Debbie Harry did Saturday Night Live, she had several > rappers on with her. She had the Funky Four Plus One on SNL when she did > "Rapture." She gave love, as they say. They were very cognizant of the > fact > that they were taking something from a community that pre-existed. The > fact > that Fab 5 Freddy and Jean Michel Basquiat are in the video, they knew > that > they were tapping into something that was larger than what they did." I'm glad so many rappers are gracious about the acclaim Harry brought to their music. And I'm glad Harry approached it respectfully. But that doesn't mean the song doesn't suck twenty-eight kinds of ass. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: meta-rap On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > >Sorry, but in terms of content it sounds like > >something a moderately talented third-grader might come up with. > > Which still probably makes it the most sophisticated rap song ever written. If you actually think this is true, I have a shitload of recommendations for you. Although I'm guessing you don't care. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:23:25 +0100 From: rob@nimbus.demon.co.uk Subject: Reap The Delgados I don't think I'll be the only one hereabouts saddened by this news. More details on their website http://www.delgados.co.uk/ Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:43:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Reap > The Delgados Huh, interesting. They are the fourth name I've cut from my shrinking "hope to see perform someday" list in the past few weeks, following seeing my first Marianne Faithfull and Futureheads shows, and deciding the Sleepy Jackson just isn't much good after all. The list is down to 47 names now (including many marginalities), which mostly tells me that I'm overdue to discover some new bands. Bleh. reap: Debralee Scott. Clearly, the third figurehead of the Pope/Rainier death trilogy. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:38:29 -0500 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: UNreap Easytree.org, reincarnated as: http://www.dimeadozen.org Not sure what the domain name is supposed to mean, but.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:14:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Reap On Apr 8, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Eb wrote: > reap: Debralee Scott. Clearly, the third figurehead of the > Pope/Rainier death trilogy. Is she buried next to Vonnegut? I can't find any confirmation. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:23:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Reap >> reap: Debralee Scott. Clearly, the third figurehead of the >> Pope/Rainier death trilogy. > > Is she buried next to Vonnegut? I can't find any confirmation. > OK, you caught me. I was insensitively trying to upset all the Hotzi Totzi fans here. http://www.tvgameshows.net Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:37:01 EDT From: MichaelBlencowe@aol.com Subject: Panic Over Just in case people haven't heard; easytree has risen from the ashes and can now be found under a new name at dimeadozen.org Just don't tell any lawyers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:32:13 +0000 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Safety Dance Jon said: "According to the lead singer, it had to do with a slam-dancing ban in some of the places they were playing." That's interesting, and it makes sense. Here's a story from a local paper, The Martlet, telling what one of the hatless men is up to these days. We can dance if we want to by Jane Griffith What: Ballet Victorias The Legend and the Myth Where: Royal Theatre When: March 28, 2005 @ 8 p.m. How Much: $22 to $45 What do you get when a member of Men Without Hats composes the musical score, Ballet Victoria performs the choreography and the opening act is one of the best dancers in Canada? The Legend and the Myth! Unlike the last two sentences, the performance is no tired joke. The show begins with a performance by the legendary Evelyn Hart from the Royal Winnipeg Ballet. She is the Baryshnikov of Canadian ballet (minus the stint on Sex and the City). There are also two dances performed by Ballet Victoria but guest-choreographed by Lynda Raino, the local modern-dance goddess who you might have spotted recently on Entertainment Tonight. Another guest choreographer, Geraldine Furrer, created a piece entitled La Question du Moi. And thats just the beginning of the show. Victoria audiences will be treated to the world premiere of Medea Metamorphoses, performed by Ballet Victoria (BV). Braiding mythology and poetry (from poets as diverse as Audre Lorde, Milton Acorn and e.e. cummings), the show is articulated through opera and dance. Medea Metamorphoses is inspired by the Greek myth and play of Medea, an original member of the jilted First Wives Club who turned to infanticide and a stint as a Pfizer chemist to cope. I think people are going to be surprised, explains Colin Doroschuk, music director and resident composer for BV Doroschuk describes the show as a direct transmission of the sonic, visual [and] kinesthetic. He and BV demand that one criterion be satisfied: Does the show produce magic? He considers it his responsibility to provide a metabolically enhancing experience people can use however they want. In terms of entertainment, people have a lot of options these days, says Doroschuk. He promises that Medea Metamorphoses will surpass the audiences expectations because the show surpasses much higher standardshis own. Doroschuks high standards result from both formal education and experience in music: he was a member of the Grammy-nominated group Men Without Hats (remember the 80s hit Safety Dance? Warning: try not to remember the music video). As well, he worked with Pacific Opera and is now working on a graduate degree. BV is Victorias first professional dance company. Its mandate is to support Island talent, which is abundant. Traditionally, Island-trained dancers have had to relocate to bigger cities to find work. With the emergence of BV, dancers can now train and later work in the same city. BVs honorary patron is Karen Kain (another Canadian ballet legend). They debuted with Peter Pan in 2003 to sold-out performances and the praises of critics and audiences. Their rendition of Peter Pan included classical ballet, hip-hop dance and the Esquimalt First Nations Dancers. Peter Pan was so popular, BV will perform it again in Victoria this upcoming Kwanza. All this, and they are only four years old. Medea Metamorphoses was choreographed by Jacqueline Sloan, the artistic director for BV She was once a dancer with the National Ballet of Canada. Realizing, however, the narrow box she was forced to fit into, she emitted a Napoleon Dynamite exhale and moved to Victoria. BV is the culmination of her experience as a dancer and her passion for the unique. This weekend, the world premiere of Ballet Victorias Medea Metamorphoses combines with legendary international talent for The Legend and the Myth. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:26:47 -0500 From: steve Subject: Don't miss out Now you know where ? got the name for his band. - - Steve __________ Break the cursing seal of love, new devil. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:30:20 +1000 (EST) From: Stony Subject: Unreap Easytree returns! http://www.dimeadozen.org/index.php Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 00:48:03 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: Godwin No, not the Nazi thing. This list needs a healthy infusion from our own M. R. Godwin. Needs it bad. So, My White Bicycle: Why is the bicycle *white*? Seriously, were there white bicycles on the streets of London in 1968? Well, damn, I just looked it up and see that it was based on the Dutch Provo model of free communal bicycles. But were there white bicycles in England at the time? Um ... have you heard Spooked? +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 13:34:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: 20th-century years OK, maybe this can liven up the list. Maybe. I briefly amused myself by trying to compile song titles from my collection which corresponded to every year of the 1900's. What gaps can you fill in? I know it's easy to just use AllMusic's search engine, so at least try to make them either songs of note or songs you personally like. Eb Randy Newman-Dayton, Ohio 1903 The Olivia Tremor Control-Memories of Jacqueline 1906 The Zombies-Butchers Tale (Western Front 1914) John Cale-Paris 1919 The Who-1921 Randy Newman-Louisiana 1927 Astor Piazzolla & Gary Burton-Little Italy 1930 Philip Glass-1934: Grandmother & Kimitake Spoonfed Hybrid-1936 Philip Glass-1937: Saint Sebastian Chumbawamba-New York Mining Disaster 1941 [I don't have the Bee Gees version] Ennio Morricone-Estate 1943 Neutral Milk Hotel-Holland, 1945 Mr. Partridge-Shore Leave Ornithology (Another 1950) Richard Thompson-1952 Vincent Black Lightning Ennio Morricone-Algiers November 1, 1954 Philip Glass-1957: Award Montage Patti Smith-1959 Brian Eno-Dunwich Beach, Autumn, 1960 The Grassy Knoll-1961 Philip Glass-1962: Body Building Rickie Lee Jones-On Saturday Afternoons in 1963 Adrian Belew-1967 The Stooges-1969 Ringo Starr-Early 1970 Robyn Hitchcock-1974 Roger Miller's Exquisite Corpse-Dream Interpretation No. 1 (1975) Redd Kross-1976 Smashing Pumpkins-1979 Public Image Limited-1981 Jimi Hendrix-1983 A Merman I Should Turn to Be David Bowie-1984 Archers of Loaf-1985 Robert Fripp-1986 Robert Fripp-1987 Sausage-Toyz 1988 Robert Fripp-1989 Adrian Belew-May 1, 1990 Blur-1992 Mudhoney-1995 Beck-Whiskeyclone, Hotel City 1997 Killdozer: Space 1999 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #92 *******************************