From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #83 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 30 2005 Volume 14 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- off-topic [Jill Brand ] carry on...with your bad-punctuating self ["michael wells" ] punctuation and off-topic (wink) [Eric Loehr ] Re: carry on...with your bad-punctuating self [Jeff ] Re: Brilliant Underscore [Jeff ] Incidentally..... [Stony ] dB's New Rolling Stone article ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article [Tom Clark ] RE: dB's New Rolling Stone article ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: dB's New Rolling Stone article ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: Down in The valley [Eb ] RE: dB's New Rolling Stone article ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Down in The valley [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Down in The valley [Eb ] Re: Down in The valley [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Down in The valley ["Nora B." ] Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article [Steve Talkowski ] Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article [Jeff ] NEW on EZT: Robyn Hitchcock - TT the Bear's, Cambridge, Mass. - March 29, 2005 - audience [wojizzle foriz] Re: [loud-fans] American Dad [Jeff ] Re: ffmaniax [Lauren Elizabeth at gmail dot com ] Re: Down in The valley [2and2makes5@comcast.net] Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: carry on...with your bad-punctuating self ["Marc Alberts" Subject: off-topic I saw Robyn Hitchcock at TTs last night. Anyone interested, e-mail me off list. ;-) (That's a big winky, y'all). Jill, who has mastered downloading with bittorrent and now needs to figure out the FLAC file business ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:55:26 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: carry on...with your bad-punctuating self Eddie "the Edster" debates the merits of a person through punctuation: > seconded, and i'll give you a *major* reason why it could be so: because you (rex) place punctuation *outside* of close-quotes (where it belongs), while both quail and eb place it *inside* (where it most decidedly does *not* belong) -- the very *definition* of "scalawag". Don't we have enough English majors/teachers here to snuff out this insanity once and for all? He who places periods outside quotation marks and then rails at others for the error of their ways is - to borrow a phrase from Frederic Goudy - the kind of man who would steal sheep. (James, speaking of sheep I need to ask you something...write offlist please) The indispensable Little, Brown Handbook says the following regarding standard practice: (24g1) Place commas and periods inside quotation marks (24g2) Place colons and semicolons outside quotation marks (24g3) Place dashes, question marks, and exclamation points inside quotation marks only if they belong to the quotation It's pretty "cut and dried," if you ask me. Which you didn't, but since I Jill wasn't' piping up I figured it fair game. Michael "I'm glad that's settled" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:59:15 -0700 From: "Cadtharsis" Subject: Seeing I to I Quail Quoth: > And I hope this goes without saying, but it was certainly not my intention > to chase Rex from the List. I believe Rex's key point was: >>This has less to do with recent rancor here than >>might be suspected... I simply have a lot to see to in my life Although it might be fun to notch our belts of guilt for the many "chased" offlist (Terry, Viv, Aidan, Quail (shouldn't he call himself the Phoenix now?), Blatzman, Rex, that comic book feg in Denver, Capuchin (he's got one foot out the door, right?), Susan, Brett, Michael, Bayard, etc.); I think the simple reality is that people's lives do get busy(ier) and posting falls off their priority list. Or PERHAPS: What Rex is really saying here is that Robyn has totally gone on a downward spiral of sucking since (let's see was Rex of the "Eye" camp or "Fegmaniax" camp?..(we're really the last list that see's "Eye" to "Eye".hmmm..I can't remember) heck) the Soft Boys. Maybe instead of his television snooze alarm waking him up to "Brenda of the Lightbulb Eyes", it flipped over to a music station and he heard the "Ditty Bops" and had this epiphany that Uncle Robyn who seemed so cool as a teenager -- wasn't under the thumb of the man, bought you beer and told you cool stories -- turned out to be just a crazed, loony alcoholic who couldn't hold a job and still tells the same old stories that lose interest and passion with each retelling. Perhaps he just doesn't have the heart to tell us that Robyn is in a giant cyclone of sucking and he's pulling us down with him. - - Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:44:24 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: punctuation and off-topic (wink) At 07:55 PM 3/29/2005 -0800, michael wells wrote: >Don't we have enough English majors/teachers here to snuff out this insanity >once and for all? He who places periods outside quotation marks and then >rails at others for the error of their ways is - to borrow a phrase from >Frederic Goudy - the kind of man who would steal sheep. and >The indispensable Little, Brown Handbook says the following regarding >standard practice: (stuff about rules conveniently omitted by me) > >Michael "I'm glad that's settled" Wells Let me weigh in with the full weight of my authority (which is, none) to say that I don't care if it's civil punctuational disobedience, I'm with the Edster on this -- commas and periods inside quote marks makes no sense; *especially* if you'll put colons and semi-colons in their proper place outside the quotes. So there. Oh, and the off-topic part: I saw Robyn Hitchcock at the Iron Horse on Monday (along with Al M., grandmaster woj, and a bunch of other people). ERIC "hey woj, did we ever figure out what number Beatle you were?" "THE "ERICSTER" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:01:44 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: carry on...with your bad-punctuating self On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:55:26 -0800, michael wells wrote: > Eddie "the Edster" debates the merits of a person through punctuation: > > > seconded, and i'll give you a *major* reason why it could be so: because > you (rex) place punctuation *outside* of close-quotes (where it belongs), > while both quail and eb place it *inside* (where it most decidedly does > *not* belong) -- the very *definition* of "scalawag". > > Don't we have enough English majors/teachers here to snuff out this insanity > once and for all? He who places periods outside quotation marks and then > rails at others for the error of their ways is - to borrow a phrase from > Frederic Goudy - the kind of man who would steal sheep. > > (James, speaking of sheep I need to ask you something...write offlist > please) Or try alt.lifestyles.hot-farmsteading... > > The indispensable Little, Brown Handbook says the following regarding > standard practice: > > (24g1) Place commas and periods inside quotation marks > > (24g2) Place colons and semicolons outside quotation marks > > (24g3) Place dashes, question marks, and exclamation points inside quotation > marks only if they belong to the quotation > > It's pretty "cut and dried," if you ask me. Problem is, this details *American* usage. British usage differs, preferring "single quotation marks" or "inverted commas" over the American double-quotes, and in many situations placing periods and commas outside the close-quotes. Find a book published in England, or in some cases published by an American press but originally published in England, and you'll see what I mean. Logic is on El Kensterino's side - but practice is, regrettably, not - at least not in the US. Stuff that isn't part of the quoted material *shouldn't* be inside the quotes...but for whatever reason, at some point someone decided periods and commas should go in there anyway. But hey - at least you're not like my students and arguing (implicitly) that parenthetical page citations go inside quotation marks: "blah-blah-blah-blah (Hamstead 137)" - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:24:19 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Brilliant Underscore In a message dated 3/30/2005 5:02:00 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: You obviously missed my point of my retort, which was to underscore the "playground" way you expressed your opinion Aint it funny how the written word can be misunderstood? I thought the point of your "retort" was to be a hurtful ass! But if you say it wasn't, then hey! Let's look at your retort: "hahahahahahahaha...but you like Uriney. hahaahahahahahahaha" Perhaps it would be helpful to point out that sometimes when you make your point, you also make additional points, such as "hahahaha, look what Dave likes...", which actually is being a hurtful ass. So I'd say you were successful at underscoring the way I expressed my opinion, but in doing so, you also expresed that you are a hurtful, spiteful ass. You might be fine with your online behavior, but that doesn't mean you can't improve the way you express yourself. You could have said "Ugh! Uriney sends me to loo everytime I hear it!", and it would have been funny AND it wouldn't have insulted anyone. But that's not really what you wanted to do, is it? You WANTED to insult me. I simply don't believe that you behave this way in person. I think you've been sending insults so long online that you've forgotten (or refuse to see) the looks of hurt and sadness that you are responsible for. If you could see firsthand the consequences of your language, I don't think you'd behave as you do. So once again, I say, there has to be a difference between the way you conduct yourself online and the way you conduct yourself in person. If you are fine with your online behavior, it is because you have desensitized yourself to the sadness you bring to others. An easy way to live, behind the safety of a computer. I'm curious, Do you work alone? Do you have children? In a happy relationship? Just curious... Blatzy Saddened that nobody got my Max Eider reference in the title of my last post... Poor Maxy, why won't the world listen??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:37:29 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Brilliant Underscore > You obviously missed my point of my retort, which was to underscore > the > "playground" way you expressed your opinion > Aint it funny how the written word can be misunderstood? I thought > the > point of your "retort" was to be a hurtful ass! But if you say it > wasn't, then > hey! Let's look at your retort: > > "hahahahahahahaha...but you like Uriney. hahaahahahahahahaha" > > Perhaps it would be helpful to point out that sometimes when you make > your > point, you also make additional points, such as "hahahaha, look what > Dave > likes...", which actually is being a hurtful ass. So I'd say you were > successful > at underscoring the way I expressed my opinion, but in doing so, you > also > expresed that you are a hurtful, spiteful ass. If you get legitimately "wounded" over being teased for liking Journey, you have a very rough life ahead of you. > You could have said "Ugh! Uriney > sends me to loo everytime I hear it!", and it would have been funny > AND it > wouldn't have insulted anyone. Less funny. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:48:37 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Brilliant Underscore On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:37:29 -0800, Eb wrote: > > You could have said "Ugh! Uriney > > sends me to loo everytime I hear it!", and it would have been funny > > AND it > > wouldn't have insulted anyone. > > Less funny. I think you mean "les funny" - as in: "this is the sort of thing only the French would find amusing." There you go, bagging on the French again. - -- ...Jeff, even more unfunny than before! The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:16:17 +1000 (EST) From: Stony Subject: Incidentally..... I'm in complete agreement with Eb on this one. That fucker completely ruined my day posting that Vonnegut reap. Don't leave, Eb! What will I do for workplace entertainment if list members stop sniping at each other and actually start having civilized discourse? Ok, back to lurking..... - --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:33:58 -0500 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: dB's New Rolling Stone article http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7220289?rnd=1112213801940& has-player=true&version=6.0.12.857 Is that bald guy Peter Holsapple? I still think that after Stamey left in 1982, they should've recruited ex-Soft Boy Kim Rew. Hey, whatever happened to the live in San Fran Soft Boys album? - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:56:12 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brian Nupp wrote: > Hey, whatever happened to the live in San Fran Soft Boys album? Robyn says Morris is finishing it up for release this year. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:04:27 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: dB's New Rolling Stone article On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brian Nupp wrote: >> Hey, whatever happened to the live in San Fran Soft Boys album? TC came back with: >Robyn says Morris is finishing it up for release this year. What concert date/tour is this from? Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:07:14 -0800 From: "Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" Subject: Down in The valley mini-review: ed harcourt, *Strangers*. it seems the sophomore slump has hit him on his third album. not that it sucks, or anything like that. but it doesn't hold a candle to the previous two (at least on first listen). oh, you *know* i am!!!!! <...take that outside-the-quotes semi-colon and shove it up your commie ass!> oh, you *know* i will!!!!! <...if anybody owes the list an apology right now, it's *Eddie* for posting that false-alarm "reap" about Kurt Vonnegut.> my only regret is that i'll never again be able to so successfully mock this board's insipid "reap"-mania. aww, poor baby. if i let you put your dick in my beehive, will that make you feel better? KEN "Exhausted and suffering from consumption" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:16:17 -0800 From: "Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" Subject: p.s. harcourt is scheduled to appear on KEXP tomorrow at noon (pacific standard time), while moby is scheduled to appear to-day at 3:00 (again, pacific standard time). any reviews of *Guero*, by the way? got caught napping on this, and am consequently seated at no. 68 in the library's queueueueu... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:19:26 -0500 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: RE: dB's New Rolling Stone article >On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brian Nupp wrote: > >>> Hey, whatever happened to the live in San Fran Soft Boys album? > >TC came back with: > >>Robyn says Morris is finishing it up for release this year. Oh great! Thanks. > What concert date/tour is this from? > >Michael B. April 7 2001, though I actually prefer the songs choices of 2002's tour. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:25:18 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Down in The valley > if i let you put your dick in my beehive.... No matter what else comes of all this, I'll at least be able to take away a new expression. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:01:23 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Down in The valley Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus wrote: > <...if anybody owes the list an apology right now, it's *Eddie* for > posting > that false-alarm "reap" about Kurt Vonnegut.> > > my only regret is that i'll never again be able to so successfully mock > this board's insipid "reap"-mania. > > it > wasn't even true.> > > aww, poor baby. if i let you put your dick in my beehive, will that > make > you feel better? > You remain the spazz of all spazzes. Hey, speaking of "insipid," maybe we should talk about all your bonedry-lame "Chef" exchanges, which have scarcely drawn a single response ever? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:03:09 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: dB's New Rolling Stone article - -----Original Message----- From: Brian Nupp [mailto:nightshadecat@mailbolt.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:19 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: dB's New Rolling Stone article >On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brian Nupp wrote: > >>>> Hey, whatever happened to the live in San Fran Soft Boys album? > >TC came back with: > >>>Robyn says Morris is finishing it up for release this year. Oh great! Thanks. >> What concert date/tour is this from? >> >>Michael B. Nuppy: >April 7 2001, though I actually prefer the songs choices of 2002's tour. Eddie isn't too fond of the 2001 SF show: here's what i wrote at the time (): best -- los angeles (the both of them) second tier -- boston, hoboken, minneapolis, seattle third tier -- detroit, philadelphia, portland, toronto fourth tier -- baltimore, d.c., vancouver bottom tier -- chicago, new york, san francisco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:06:21 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Brian Nupp wrote: >> On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brian Nupp wrote: >> >>>> Hey, whatever happened to the live in San Fran Soft Boys album? >> >> TC came back with: >> >>> Robyn says Morris is finishing it up for release this year. > > Oh great! Thanks. > >> What concert date/tour is this from? >> >> Michael B. > > April 7 2001, though I actually prefer the songs choices of 2002's > tour. > Yeah, it's from the Fillmore in San Francisco, from which "Evil Guy" on Side Three comes. And after which Thomas Dolby almost ran over my wife with his Saturn station wagon... I agree that the '02 sets would have been a better choice. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:29:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Down in The valley > Hey, speaking of "insipid," maybe we should talk about all your bonedry-lame > "Chef" exchanges, which have scarcely drawn a single response ever? I've not commented publicly about the Chef exchanges, but I think they are just about the only redeeming feature of this list these days. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:32:35 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Down in The valley John Barrington Jones wrote: >> Hey, speaking of "insipid," maybe we should talk about all your >> bonedry-lame "Chef" exchanges, which have scarcely drawn a single >> response ever? > > I've not commented publicly about the Chef exchanges, but I think they > are just about the only redeeming feature of this list these days. > Me: [laughing] Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:41:47 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Down in The valley On Mar 30, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Eb wrote: > Hey, speaking of "insipid," maybe we should talk about all your > bonedry-lame "Chef" exchanges, which have scarcely drawn a single > response ever? Heh. I knew I wasn't the only one who found those equally lame and tiresome. > I think they are just about the only redeeming feature of this list > these days. Me: [rolling eyes] - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:43:26 -0800 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: Down in The valley > Hey, speaking of "insipid," maybe we should talk about all your > bonedry-lame "Chef" exchanges, which have scarcely drawn a single > response ever? Shut it! The Chef stuff is awesome! High comedy indeed. Certainly, far more interesting that Rex's band tales or your snoozerific running stories. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:43:51 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article On Mar 30, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > And after which Thomas Dolby almost ran over my wife with his Saturn > station wagon... Was he BLINDED BY SCIENCE?! (couldn't resist) - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:01:48 -0800 From: Eb Subject: And you think MY concert reviews are longwinded? http://www.aboutlastnight.org.uk/FinnBrosRAH28Mr05.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:53:01 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Mars Volta I'm listening to "Frances The Mute" right now and I can only imagine how exhausting a Mars Volta show must be. Anybody seen them live? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:50:05 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:43:51 -0500, Steve Talkowski wrote: > On Mar 30, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > > > And after which Thomas Dolby almost ran over my wife with his Saturn > > station wagon... > > Was he BLINDED BY SCIENCE?! > > (couldn't resist) No, but...he was an airhead... (couldn't resister) - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:57:52 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: NEW on EZT: Robyn Hitchcock - TT the Bear's, Cambridge, Mass. - March 29, 2005 - audience this torrent will probably be reposted since stefan can no longer seed the entire show (while trying to troubleshoot another problem, some component files were changed and no longer pass the hash check for the torrent). however, one should be able to download most of the show via this torrent for the time being and complete the show when a new one is created. when he reposts it, i'll send the url along. woj http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=34976&hit=1 Torrent: 34976 Title: Robyn Hitchcock - TT the Bear's, Cambridge, Mass. - March 29, 2005 - audience Size: 761.56 MB Category: Singer/Songwriter Uploaded by: stefan Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robyn put on a terrific show last night, as always. My recording came out very well, I think. Robyn did his walkabout medley through the crowd near the end, and the sound on this track is less clear. But the audience makes up for it. This is for all the Fegs, with many thanks for the great RH shows you guys have seeded here! I'm very new to seeding; hopefully this will work as intended. Let me know if there are any problems. Stefan ==================== pasted from the info file: Robyn Hitchcock TT the Bear's Cambridge, Massachusetts March 29, 2005 recording: Core Sound Binaurals > Sony D8 (DAT) mastering: Sony PCM300 > optical > Tascam CDRW700 (standalone) extraction: CD > EAC (secure) > FLAC Frontend (level 6) Disc 1 (acoustic): 1. intro 2. It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry 3. Glass Hotel 4. Mexican God 5. New Age 6. Balloon Man 7. Trams of Old London 8. Uncorrected Personality Traits 9. Madonna of the Wasps 10. Vegetation and Dimes 11. Only the Stones Remain 12. story: Land Clams 13. Wild Mountain Thyme > Oh Yeah (on the Radio) 14. One Long Pair of Eyes 15. Television 16. I Feel Beautiful Disc 2 (1-11 electric; 12-13 acoustic): 1. Vibrating 2. I Often Dream of Trains 3. Freeze 4. She Doesn't Exist 5. Acid Bird 6. Creeped Out 7. Sally Was a Legend 8. Antwoman 9. Dear Prudence (w/ Corin Ashley) 10. Glass Onion 11. I'm So Tired (w/ Corin Ashley at end) 12. walkabout medley: Rock Me Baby > When You're in Love with a Beautiful Woman > Sound and Vision > Kung Fu Fighting 13. A Day in the Life (w/ Corin Ashley) - --- Corin Ashley & Dave Aaronoff (opening set) 14. Inappropriate Fashion 15. She Lets Him In 16. The Bloom is off the Rose 17. Jump, They Said 18. File Me Under Regret recorded and seeded to easytree.org by Stefan ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ PLEASE DO NOT SELL OR ENCODE TO A LOSSY FORMAT ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:16:07 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] American Dad digging through the archives, I found... On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:10:37 -0800, A Wonderful Human Person wrote: > by the way, what's the difference between a client, a utility, and an > application? Oh wait, I know this one! One's a bottle in front of me, the other's a frontal lobotomy, and the third one is, uh, a third unmeshable thing. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:51:35 -0500 From: Lauren Elizabeth at gmail dot com Subject: Re: ffmaniax As they say in the notifications: << A new torrent has been uploaded to EZT. Torrent: 34953 Title: David Lindley{solo/acoustic} 8-12-1986 seattle, wa. Size: 294.72 MB Category: Singer/Songwriter Uploaded by: greeney52 Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- {aud.}SONY-D5>WAVE>FLAC excellent quality live show - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can use the URL below to download the torrent (you may have to login). http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=34953&hit=1 Take care! easytree.org >> For folks who might want to follow up on Jeff's review, there are still a bunch of seeders on this show on EZT. I am downloading and am happy to do a B&P for anyone who cares to get a disc by way of the mail pony. xo Lauren - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I hate all music. Except 'Roadrunner' by The Modern Lovers." - John Lydon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:59:23 +0000 From: 2and2makes5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Down in The valley - -------------- Original message -------------- > On Mar 30, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Eb wrote: > > > Hey, speaking of "insipid," maybe we should talk about all your > > bonedry-lame "Chef" exchanges, which have scarcely drawn a single > > response ever? > > Heh. I knew I wasn't the only one who found those equally lame and > tiresome. Not my cup of tea either, but as they're not hurting anyone and they're clearly labeled I find it a lot easier to just hit delete. Yeah, I know it's been said before, so just delete. > > I think they are just about the only redeeming feature of this list > > these days. > > Me: [rolling eyes] Real, glass, or plastic? Real ones don't roll too well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:18:58 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: dB's New Rolling Stone article Steve Talkowski wrote: > > Was he BLINDED BY SCIENCE?! or was it the (tail)GATE OF THE MIND'S EYE? (yeah, I know, you have to be a fairly hefty Dolby-freak to know about that one) Stewart (who is happy cos he scored the only Eels album he didn't have in StL at the weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:27:42 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Down in The valley On Mar 30, 2005, at 8:59 PM, 2and2makes5@comcast.net wrote: >> Me: [rolling eyes] > Real, glass, or plastic? Real ones don't roll too well. NURBs (Non Uniform Rational B-Spline) geometry actually. Center pivot. Free form deformation lattice applied to achieve that cartoony squash 'N stretch. Ever the smart-ass animator, - -Steve ; ^ p - -- http://homepage.mac.com/stevetalkowski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:39:17 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: carry on...with your bad-punctuating self Michael Wells wrote: > > Eddie "the Edster" debates the merits of a person through punctuation: > > > > > seconded, and i'll give you a *major* reason why it could be so: > because > > you (rex) place punctuation *outside* of close-quotes (where it > belongs), > > while both quail and eb place it *inside* (where it most decidedly does > > *not* belong) -- the very *definition* of "scalawag". > > > > Don't we have enough English majors/teachers here to snuff out this > insanity > > once and for all? He who places periods outside quotation marks and then > > rails at others for the error of their ways is - to borrow a phrase from > > Frederic Goudy - the kind of man who would steal sheep. I'm no English major, but isn't the rule that you place commas and periods inside question marks all the time regardless of what is said except in the case of when you use quotation marks in a formal title of short works, and all other punctuation is always outside of it? It's been too many years since Mr. Ed Eivers, the most dictatorial of honors English teachers, has been in my face with his list of "common gross errors" that one should avoid at all costs if they wished to pass his classes. Jeff wrote: > Problem is, this details *American* usage. British usage differs, > preferring "single quotation marks" or "inverted commas" over the > American double-quotes, and in many situations placing periods and > commas outside the close-quotes. Find a book published in England, or > in some cases published by an American press but originally published > in England, and you'll see what I mean. > > Logic is on El Kensterino's side - but practice is, regrettably, not - > at least not in the US. Stuff that isn't part of the quoted material > *shouldn't* be inside the quotes...but for whatever reason, at some > point someone decided periods and commas should go in there anyway. I kind of feel the same way, Jeff--a quote should be just a quote with no editing to possibly obfuscate the original meaning. I'm a firm believer that it makes more sense when using quotes to always use punctuation outside the quote unless the original contained it. But as you point out, practice seems against us on this one. Marc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #83 *******************************