From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #78 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 25 2005 Volume 14 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Right Reverend Robyn [jeff albertson ] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [Miles Goosens ] Don't Stop Believin'! [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [Rex Broome ] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [Miles Goosens ] Re: Don't Stop Believin'! [Rex Broome ] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [Rex Broome ] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [Tom Clark ] Re: Don't Stop Believin'! [Eb ] Re: Don't Stop Believin'! [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [Miles Goosens ] Re: Right Reverend Robyn [Eb ] this thread is on fire with passionate love [Miles Goosens ] Re: this thread is on fire with passionate love [Rex Broome ] Re: Sandwich Valley High ["Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" ] Re: a-Huh????????????? [Eb ] Re: a-Huh????????????? [Tom Clark ] Re: a-Huh????????????? [The Great Quail ] Re: a-Huh????????????? [Rex Broome ] Re: a-Huh????????????? [Lauren Elizabeth at gmail dot com ] Maxwell's show on Saturday [Lauren Elizabeth at gmail dot com ] Re: a-Huh????????????? [Benjamin Lukoff ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:29:34 -0500 From: jeff albertson Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn one time at band camp, Tom Clark (tclark@mac.com) said: >On Mar 24, 2005, at 10:08 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: >>>I've been greatly bored to tears by what I've heard from the >>>Decemberists so far. >>> >>>But, speaking of a much better band, Belle & Sebastian: >> >>May I hate them both? Or will that earn me some sort of smiting or >>excommunication or such like? >I'm with you Miles. We can share the smiting. you've already been smitten beyond all smiting for hate neutral milk hotel though. let others have a chance! woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:16:30 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:29:34 -0500, jeff albertson wrote: > one time at band camp, Tom Clark (tclark@mac.com) said: > > >On Mar 24, 2005, at 10:08 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > > >>>I've been greatly bored to tears by what I've heard from the > >>>Decemberists so far. > >>> > >>>But, speaking of a much better band, Belle & Sebastian: > >> > >>May I hate them both? Or will that earn me some sort of smiting or > >>excommunication or such like? > > >I'm with you Miles. We can share the smiting. > > you've already been smitten beyond all smiting for hate neutral milk > hotel though. let others have a chance! Just to make things perfectly clear, I can't follow the estimable TC into the NMH-hatin' - I thoroughly enjoyed their stuff. And the first Olivia Tremor Control album too, while we're on the E6 tip. But, to date, haven't enjoyed anything else from that whole agglomeration of folks. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:27:57 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Don't Stop Believin'! May I hate them both? Or will that earn me some sort of smiting or >> excommunication or such like? >> > > I'm with you Miles. We can share the smiting. But you all love Journey, and don't deny it. Actually, Journey has some classic tunes. I will take Journey ANY DAY over the horrific sounds of "Smell and Crapastian"... Someone tried to get me into that poop thinking it was up my alley... Uh, sorry, it aint for everyone. For one, whoever is doing the singing has a craptastic voice. I have bad breath after listening to that band. Utter Yuck! Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:28:55 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Miles Goosens wrote: > May I hate them both? Or will that earn me some sort of smiting or > excommunication or such like? Only if you also hate Pavement or, geez, Guided By Voices or something. :) And Colin Meloy has a permanent gold star in my book for making me like Robyn songs which previously irritated me ("I Saw Nick Drake" and "I Feel Beautiful"). Beyond that, my opinion fluctuates but tends toward the pro-Decemberist. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:55:56 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn Aaron: > And Colin Meloy has a permanent gold star in my book for making me like > Robyn songs which previously irritated me ("I Saw Nick Drake" and "I Feel > Beautiful"). Beyond that, my opinion fluctuates but tends toward the > pro-Decemberist. My first reaction to them was, "Hey, it's like Robyn fronting the Zombies circa Odyssey & Oracle," and while that's a lame pigeonhole for them, I am now always slightly disappointed when they *don't* sound like that. 'Course I liked both of the songs Aaron cited anyway... they're among my favorites from what was IMHO a lean period for really great Robyn tunes. Those two and "Mexican God" are really the standouts from the Sophia/Bram era in my estimation. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:04:04 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:28:55 -0500 (EST), Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Miles Goosens wrote: > > > May I hate them both? Or will that earn me some sort of smiting or > > excommunication or such like? > > Only if you also hate Pavement or, geez, Guided By Voices or something. :) Heh. Believe me, my '90s would have been so much eaiser if I had liked them. > And Colin Meloy has a permanent gold star Wasn't that the Michael Quercio-Maurice Starr supergroup? Speaking of high-pitched singers, that dude who sings for the Delays makes Quercio sound like Tom Waits. And to bring it full circle, on a majority of Mr. Waits' best album picks, his descriptions of them are more enjoyable than actually listening to them. later, Miles np: eels, online stream of some tracks from the forthcoming BLINKING LIGHTS AND OTHER REVELATIONS. Another minority opinion: best two eels albums are the last two. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:05:45 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Don't Stop Believin'! Blatz: > I will take Journey ANY DAY over > the horrific sounds of "Smell and Crapastian"... Someone tried to get me > into that poop thinking it was up my alley... Uh, sorry, it aint for everyone. > For one, whoever is doing the singing has a craptastic voice. I have bad > breath after listening to that band. Disclaimer: I may basically agree with Blatzy on B&S, but it should be noted that you can't get the guy into new music (read: post-1988) without a crowbar and a shitload of liquor, and even then he'll probably decide it sucks after all when he sobers up. If. If he sobers up. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:16:19 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn Miles: > Wasn't that the Michael Quercio-Maurice Starr supergroup? Good one. Just last year I realized that Permanent Green Light was named after a paint hue, not the idea that traffic lights should never turn red, in a rare instance of a band name that turns out to be cooler than you thought when you learn its origin. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:30:41 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:28:55 -0500 (EST), Aaron Mandel > wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Miles Goosens wrote: >> >>> May I hate them both? Or will that earn me some sort of smiting or >>> excommunication or such like? >> >> Only if you also hate Pavement or, geez, Guided By Voices or >> something. :) > > Heh. Believe me, my '90s would have been so much eaiser if I had > liked them. Love Pavement (and solo Malkmus, and Preston School of Industry). Bought one GBV CD and never cared enough to buy another one. NMH still sucks, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:33:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Don't Stop Believin'! BLATZMAN@aol.com, as subtle as an all-caps address: > Actually, Journey has some classic tunes. I will take Journey ANY DAY > over > the horrific sounds of "Smell and Crapastian"... hahahahahahahaha...but you like Uriney. hahaahahahahahahaha xoxo ebby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:39:35 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't Stop Believin'! In a message dated 3/25/2005 11:05:58 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, rexbroome@gmail.com writes: Disclaimer: I may basically agree with Blatzy on B&S, but it should be noted that you can't get the guy into new music (read: post-1988) without a crowbar and a shitload of liquor, and even then he'll probably decide it sucks after all when he sobers up. If. If he sobers up. Rex that's so freakin funny!!!!!!!!! But you are wrong!!!! For example, the new Tears for Fears is great... Love the new U2... And have been wonderfully happy with recent releases by Duffy, James, Morrissey, A-Ha, Blue Nile, ... Love that Mick Jagger/Dave Stewart tune, Oh wait... you probably meant new BANDS post 1988... Shit, let me think about that. I'll get back to ya! ;-) Senior Blatzy If there's one thing I know about Class, it's got Ass in it!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:50:09 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn > np: eels, online stream of some tracks from the forthcoming BLINKING > LIGHTS AND OTHER REVELATIONS. Another minority opinion: best two eels > albums are the last two. Eek! Minority is probably right -- I like Shootenanny, but thought Souljacker was horribly uneven. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:56:27 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:50:09 -0800 (PST), John Barrington Jones wrote: > > np: eels, online stream of some tracks from the forthcoming BLINKING > > LIGHTS AND OTHER REVELATIONS. Another minority opinion: best two eels > > albums are the last two. > > Eek! Minority is probably right -- I like Shootenanny, but thought > Souljacker was horribly uneven. ...and that's the one I like best of all of 'em. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:00:19 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Right Reverend Robyn John Barrington Jones wrote: > Eek! Minority is probably right -- I like Shootenanny, but thought > Souljacker was horribly uneven. I'll go along with that. I don't think E is ever going to top Daisies of the Galaxy, myself. He seems more interested in being belligerent than making in good records, nowadays. And now that he's on the label which is the "emo" standard-bearer...hrm. That makes me yet more nervous. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:00:51 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: this thread is on fire with passionate love On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:39:35 EST, BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > And have been wonderfully happy with recent releases by > Duffy, James There's a new James record? I know Tim Booth's album is out, though I don't have it yet. Is that what you're talking about? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:02:24 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Don't Stop Believin'! Blatz: > But you are wrong!!!! For example, the new Tears for Fears is great... Love > the new U2... And have been wonderfully happy with recent releases by > Duffy, James, Morrissey, A-Ha, Blue Nile, ... Love that Mick Jagger/Dave Stewart > tune, > > Oh wait... you probably meant new BANDS post 1988... Yep, that's exactly what I meant! I never would've recommended B&S to you, but I bet you didn't like Interpol as you should by all rights have done. I can name at least five other releases from last year that you should have liked, and I bet you wouldn't like any of them. Each of my selections has been thoroughly evaluated by finely calibrated scientific instruments and deteremined to be empirically better than anything ever recorded by A-Ha, but that doesn't mean you'll actually hear them that way! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:03:56 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: this thread is on fire with passionate love Miles: > There's a new James record? I know Tim Booth's album is out, though I > don't have it yet. Is that what you're talking about? My guess is that he's stretching the definition of "recent" to include James's swan song from three or four years back... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:39:58 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: a-Huh????????????? In a message dated 3/25/2005 12:02:39 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, rexbroome@gmail.com writes: Each of my selections has been thoroughly evaluated by finely calibrated scientific instruments and deteremined to be empirically better than anything ever recorded by A-Ha THAT'S IT! THAT'S IT!!!! THEM'S FIGHTIN WORDS YOU BELLIGERENT BELLYWHACKIN BUFFOON!!!!!!!!! Yes, let's recount the last time Rex made musical suggestions to Dave and let's look at the consequences... Yes, I tried to listen to InterPoo's cd "Let Go The Hot Shites" and could not sit through the disc (think the cramping came at song 3, full-on runs by song 6 I popped a few Immodium and tried another of your "suggestions"... Doves??? what CD was that? The Fat Broad's Ass? something like that... I sort of got lost in the fudge and found myself seriously dehydrated after the episode. I have not listened to any other Rex suggestions since this near-death experience. Blatzy, glad to be here, and happily listening to the last 2 glorious A-Ha CDs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:02:48 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? Blatz: > I have not listened to any other Rex suggestions since this near-death > experience. Hey. Blatz. Fu--- no, just kidding. See, guys, this is how you have a good natured debate! > Blatzy, glad to be here, and happily listening to the last 2 glorious A-Ha > CDs. Whatever gets you through the nite, buddy o' mine! In my world: Near-death experience, thy name is Celine. Hey, Fegs, Blatz loves American Idol, too! Open fire!!! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:48 -0800 From: "Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" Subject: Re: Sandwich Valley High . *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 3/25/2005 at 12:57 AM x declared: > >nah, it's an old un-released song. only performed live a coupla >times. >vaguely rockin'. maybe i'll upload a mp3 to my website... could you? That's all I really wanted to hear. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:13:11 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? In a message dated 3/25/2005 1:03:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, rexbroome@gmail.com writes: Hey, Fegs, Blatz loves American Idol, too! Open fire!!! AND DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES!!!! I'm a freakin walkin target on this list!!!!! That's why I never pipe up!!!! And what was Mr Trump thinking last night when he fired Erin??? That freak with Anger Management Issues HAS TO GO! And what a horror to have the Apprentice AND Idol overlap for a Half Hour? And can you believe Nadia in the bottom 2? And can you believe how long we've had to wait for a new episode of Lost???? Well... my workday is OVAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Thank Goodness I have an A-Ha CD in the car for my awful commute home!!!! So Long Folks! Hugs, Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:24:28 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? Blatz: > I'm a freakin walkin target on this list!!!!! That's why I never pipe up!!!! Wanna borrow my "Kick Me" sign, dude? (I was actually presented with one by the erudite and charming Mr. Jeffrey Norman in person a few days ago; viva los feg-meets.) - -Rex (still TV-free and lovin it) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:47:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? Rex Broome wrote: > See, guys, this is how you have a good natured debate! That's not a "debate." It's two self-absorbed kids skipping around a maypole, squealing "Look at us, we're freh-ennnds...look at us, we're freh-ennnnnnds...." Kinda reminds me of the nauseating pillow talk between you and Susan Dodge, which dominated the list when I first joined. Ever lovable, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:56:52 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? On Mar 25, 2005, at 12:13 PM, BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > And what was Mr Trump thinking last night when he fired Erin??? That > freak > with Anger Management Issues HAS TO GO! > No kidding, bruddah. Every time that guy opens his mouth I think he's gonna crawl across the table and strangle Carolyn. Erin was no brain surgeon, but she looked like a contender for the finals. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:14:49 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? See? This is why I love Eb: > That's not a "debate." It's two self-absorbed kids skipping around a > maypole, squealing "Look at us, we're freh-ennnds...look at us, we're > freh-ennnnnnds...." You may not agree with the sentiment, but it's a first-rate putdown. I mean, you have to at least admire that! > Kinda reminds me of the nauseating pillow talk between you and Susan > Dodge, which dominated the list when I first joined. No, that was *me* and Susan, I think. We loved each other, long time. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:42:48 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? Quail: > See? This is why I love Eb: > > > That's not a "debate." It's two self-absorbed kids skipping around a > > maypole, squealing "Look at us, we're freh-ennnds...look at us, we're > > freh-ennnnnnds...." > > You may not agree with the sentiment, but it's a first-rate putdown. I mean, > you have to at least admire that! No, you don't. It's ad-hominem and needlessly personal assholery. Don't ask me to admire the technique of a well-executed unwarranted garroting. I asked the motherfucker to take it offlist. Anyone who finds this creepy and offputting should be clear on who's keeping it alive. And it doesn't surprise me that Eb finds friendship off-putting. > > Kinda reminds me of the nauseating pillow talk between you and Susan > > Dodge, which dominated the list when I first joined. > > No, that was *me* and Susan, I think. We loved each other, long time. Yeah, but it was me, too, conceded. I'd sure love to open up that can of squid for list discussion! But if Eb wants to talk nauseating, how 'bout the women whom he's mentioned by name on the list... the ones with whom he was "in love", and who broke his poor heart because he creeped them the fuck out? It's a little hard to brook being called self-absorbed by someone who's written shit like that for public consumption. But whatever. Blatzy and I are friends in real life. Lots of folks around here are as well. Jeez, why not have some fun with that? - -Rex, tired of this ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:03:53 -0500 From: Lauren Elizabeth at gmail dot com Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? I think I heard the Interpol album and saw them live three times before ever hearing an A-ha album in its entirety. But, A-ha...not bad. xo Lauren, older than that made me sound. NP: Aimee Mann SXSW download from EZT - new songs, yay. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:05:56 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? Rex writes, > No, you don't. It's ad-hominem and needlessly personal assholery. > Don't ask me to admire the technique of a well-executed unwarranted > garroting. I asked the motherfucker to take it offlist. Well, you know what? From my end, you asked for it the second you started up again. You seem reluctant to let this drop, and make reference again and again. Such as: " Fu--- no, just kidding. See, guys, this is how you have a good natured debate!" Does that sound off-list to you? And I have to say, I agree with something Eb said. You are *not* having a debate with Blatzy. Don't call your round of friendly backslapping something that it is clearly not. > And it doesn't surprise me that Eb finds friendship off-putting. I think that's an interpretation quite skewed in your direction. > Yeah, but it was me, too, conceded. I'd sure love to open up that can > of squid for list discussion! But if Eb wants to talk nauseating, how > 'bout the women whom he's mentioned by name on the list... the ones > with whom he was "in love", and who broke his poor heart because he > creeped them the fuck out? Well, now you are getting pretty personal, aren't you? But that's an issue for those women to discuss with Eb, should they care to do so. It's also kind of cheap to state this in public in a letter directed at me and not Eb. > But whatever. Blatzy and I are friends in real life. Lots of folks > around here are as well. Jeez, why not have some fun with that? I'm not saying you can't. I for one found it a bit...precious, especially after what happened last week. And that's why I thought Eb's taunt was pretty much dead-on. First, you opened the door. Second, he called you out on a public behavior. Thirdly, his point was entirely correct -- you were not conducting a "debate." And finally, his put-down contained that essence of truth expressed dryly; some would call it wit. Rex, I respect you and all, but your tone has been kind of childish of late. You're like a kid who keeps taking pot-shots at an opponent when the teacher isn't looking; but bursts into a calamity of tears the second he shoots a rubber back back at you. I almost think you've been copping a martyr's pose; but you lack the martyr's capacity for self-sacrifice, so it's really kind of awkward to see. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:20:07 -0500 From: Lauren Elizabeth at gmail dot com Subject: Maxwell's show on Saturday Now that I am a bit desensitized to your ways...any Fegs (faggy, non-faggy, it's all good!) attending the Maxwell's show tomorrow - I would love to get the chance to say hello if you care to. I am coming from Philadelphia and heading back there after the show, so it may just be a hello but it would be nice to meet some of you folks in 3-D. If you do, as you seem to claim, exist. xo Lauren P.S. I am pretty much incapable of keeping track of the setlist after the sixth or so song, but I'll be happy to provide a shirt and State of The Hair report. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I hate all music. Except 'Roadrunner' by The Modern Lovers." - John Lydon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:43:28 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? > Well, you know what? From my end, you asked for it the second you started up > again. You seem reluctant to let this drop, and make reference again and > again. Such as: " Fu--- no, just kidding. See, guys, this is how you have a > good natured debate!" Does that sound off-list to you? Conceded. But on my end it actually was meant in jest. > And I have to say, I agree with something Eb said. You are *not* having a > debate with Blatzy. Don't call your round of friendly backslapping something > that it is clearly not. Dude, that was a joke. Clearly it wasn't a "debate"; however, it was to my mind refreshingly "good-natured". But the potshots and name-calling that've been slung my way aren't in mode of "debate" either. To be clearer: you and I, Quail, have had something in the neighborhood of a debate; Eb and I have not. He kicks sand in my face and I, somewhat understandably, don't like it much, and react. Wish I didn't, since you and Eb obviously get your jollies out of watching me lose it, but as I've said-- you'll probably find this overdramatic, but it's there-- I really don't understand the nature of cruelty and it really does bug me, even in little ways. > > And it doesn't surprise me that Eb finds friendship off-putting. > > I think that's an interpretation quite skewed in your direction. And calling my behavior "nauseating", "pathetic", "mewling" etc. etc. isn't? Friend Quail, you are truly showing some extraordinary prejudice here. > Well, now you are getting pretty personal, aren't you? But that's an issue > for those women to discuss with Eb, should they care to do so. It's also > kind of cheap to state this in public in a letter directed at me and not Eb. Eb made it public by spilling his guts about it on list, which is hypocritically the same kind of mode of address for which he routinely castigates me. I will give you that I've been successfully baited several times during this. The above response from me was, sure, not way mature, and it is not excused by the fact that "I didn't start with the personal shit". Nonetheless, well... I didn't start with the personal shit. > I'm not saying you can't. I for one found it a bit...precious, especially > after what happened last week. And that's why I thought Eb's taunt was > pretty much dead-on. First, you opened the door. Second, he called you out > on a public behavior. Metaphysician, heal thyself. How can you bag me for getting personal with Eb regarding his public behavor, and then laud him or at least give him a pass for doing the same to me? Is there a statute of limitations? If so, and it reaches back to 1995 or whenever Eb joined the list, you should in all fairness judge Eb's creepy unrequited-love posts as fair game, even if they don't squick you out as they do me. > Thirdly, his point was entirely correct -- you were > not conducting a "debate." And finally, his put-down contained that essence > of truth expressed dryly; some would call it wit. Acknowledged, but I also never intended that statement to be taken as anything other than a joke. Call it the ever familiar "tone problem" if you want, but it was a joke. > Rex, I respect you and all, I increasinlgy doubt that; the assertions below are anything but respectful. They are insulting. >but your tone has been kind of childish of late. > You're like a kid who keeps taking pot-shots at an opponent when the teacher > isn't looking; but bursts into a calamity of tears the second he shoots a > rubber back back at you. I almost think you've been copping a martyr's pose; > but you lack the martyr's capacity for self-sacrifice, so it's really kind > of awkward to see. Please, does anyone, anyone else see it this way? Help me out here. This description sounds so ass-backwards as to be unrecognizeable. Quail, do you truly contend that a person deserves abuse for being/expressing himself if his personality happens to be subjectively annoying to someone else? What you call "potshots" are to me attempts to diffuse tension through humor. You wanna see occasionally inappropriate overreactions, I might be your guy, but if you wanna see potshots, you are looking at the wrong Broome. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:30:38 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: a-Huh????????????? Boooooooooooooooooooooooooring.... [yes, I know, I can hit 'delete'...but I'm sort of getting sick of doing it] On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, The Great Quail wrote: > Rex writes, > > > No, you don't. It's ad-hominem and needlessly personal assholery. > > Don't ask me to admire the technique of a well-executed unwarranted > > garroting. I asked the motherfucker to take it offlist. > > Well, you know what? From my end, you asked for it the second you started up > again. You seem reluctant to let this drop, and make reference again and > again. Such as: " Fu--- no, just kidding. See, guys, this is how you have a > good natured debate!" Does that sound off-list to you? > > And I have to say, I agree with something Eb said. You are *not* having a > debate with Blatzy. Don't call your round of friendly backslapping something > that it is clearly not. > > > And it doesn't surprise me that Eb finds friendship off-putting. > > I think that's an interpretation quite skewed in your direction. > > > Yeah, but it was me, too, conceded. I'd sure love to open up that can > > of squid for list discussion! But if Eb wants to talk nauseating, how > > 'bout the women whom he's mentioned by name on the list... the ones > > with whom he was "in love", and who broke his poor heart because he > > creeped them the fuck out? > > Well, now you are getting pretty personal, aren't you? But that's an issue > for those women to discuss with Eb, should they care to do so. It's also > kind of cheap to state this in public in a letter directed at me and not Eb. > > > But whatever. Blatzy and I are friends in real life. Lots of folks > > around here are as well. Jeez, why not have some fun with that? > > I'm not saying you can't. I for one found it a bit...precious, especially > after what happened last week. And that's why I thought Eb's taunt was > pretty much dead-on. First, you opened the door. Second, he called you out > on a public behavior. Thirdly, his point was entirely correct -- you were > not conducting a "debate." And finally, his put-down contained that essence > of truth expressed dryly; some would call it wit. > > Rex, I respect you and all, but your tone has been kind of childish of late. > You're like a kid who keeps taking pot-shots at an opponent when the teacher > isn't looking; but bursts into a calamity of tears the second he shoots a > rubber back back at you. I almost think you've been copping a martyr's pose; > but you lack the martyr's capacity for self-sacrifice, so it's really kind > of awkward to see. > > --Quail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #78 *******************************