From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #75 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 23 2005 Volume 14 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Incidental to "24" fans [Barbara Soutar ] Re: ohmygosh a music thread ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Trains [Rex Broome ] Re: Trains in Nashville ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: track-ums in the middle [Aaron Mandel ] Re: track-ums in the middle ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: track-ums in the middle ["Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" ] reap [Eb ] Re: Apple downloads (NR) ["Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" ] Abbey Road Studios... ["Brian Nupp" ] Reapage ["Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" ] Re: Reapage [Rex Broome ] RE: Reapage ["Brian Huddell" ] re: reap [Eb ] I did find this important news, however [Eb ] Re: Reapage ["Maximilian Lang" ] re: Obscurities ["michael wells" ] a great read for Tom Waits fans and otherwise [Eb Subject: Re: Incidental to "24" fans Jeff said about Kelsey Grammar's latest showcase: "a sketch show that apparently makes Benny Hill look like Kierkegaard" Ha! Message received. I'll avoid it! Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:41:11 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: ohmygosh a music thread Me three - GoF is for me one of RH's best... so much so I can't imagine why anyone would dislike it. I know in the past Robyn himself has been very critical of it, but I just can't believe that's his long-term view... I mean Chinese Bones followed by the title track... wow... Cheers Matt >From: Rex Broome >Miles: > > GLOBE OF FROGS is seriously underrated. -- everything Robyn does > > can be found on this album, and he does all of it very well. It's a > > true tour de force of an artist at his absolute peak, moving from > > strength to strength. > >The archives are probably lousy with me saying this, but I agree. GoF >was the first Robyn I heard as well, and it remains to me his >quintessential, if not best record, and since I like so much of what >the guys does it stands to reason that his quintessential record would >also rank high on my list of favorites. It's alway in my top three of >his records and always will be, I reckon. > >-Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:44:33 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Trains Miles > You can't just blame Rhino - the very first IODOT CD (on Midnight or > Glass Fish or whatever) put the original bonus tracks in the middle, > and there they've remained. This seemed to be a minor fad in the > early days of CD reissues -- many of you might recall the original c. > 1986-87 XTC CDs, which did the same thing. Was this maybe often to mirror cassette releases, where they would put bonus stuff at the end of both sides to preserve the opening tracks of each side of the vinyl release? That seemed to be common practice in those days... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:28:50 -0500 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Re: Trains in Nashville Miles, Thank you for the lovely RH concert review! Your details were sublime. I do hope a video of that surfaces at some point. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:11:59 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: track-ums in the middle On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Dolph Chaney wrote: > To me, the win-win is how Rhino's doing the Elvis Costello catalog -- 2 > CDs (the album proper on one, the bonuses on another) for the list price > of one new CD release. I think the Cure reissues are mostly following > the same model. The first one (Three Imaginary Boys) sold for about what a double-CD usually costs, which is not as loathsome as something selling for 2xCD price when it would ACTUALLY FIT on a single disc, but still kind of annoying. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:27:03 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: track-ums in the middle At 12:11 PM 3/22/2005 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > To me, the win-win is how Rhino's doing the Elvis Costello catalog -- 2 > > CDs (the album proper on one, the bonuses on another) for the list price > > of one new CD release. I think the Cure reissues are mostly following > > the same model. > >The first one (Three Imaginary Boys) sold for about what a double-CD >usually costs, which is not as loathsome as something selling for 2xCD >price when it would ACTUALLY FIT on a single disc, but still kind of >annoying. It didn't help that most of the stuff on the second disc sucked, and they left off "Killing an Arab." But my old cassette of Three Imaginary Boys was dead, so I felt justified in finally replacing it with a CD. The next batch looks a little more interesting, especially Faith, which includes the long instrumental "Carnage Visors" on the first disc along with an entire second disc of rarities. I'll pick up that one, and maybe Pornography. - --Jason "Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food." -- Anthony Bourdain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:52:25 -0800 From: "Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" Subject: Re: track-ums in the middle by reynolds. from : UM already WAS a classic, years before it came out on CD. Now it's a classic with bonus tracks. The bonus tracks, however good they might be, dilute the impact of the original album. You poor souls who never had the vinyl will never know how it felt to hear that last chord of "Underwater Moonlight" fade into oblivion, think for a moment about the flury of brilliance you've just heard, the music in your head overpowering the silence of the room...and then get up, flip the record over and do it all again. You can program your CD's to play only the original tracks, but it won't sound right to you because it's already been spoiled. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:25:24 -0500 From: jeff albertson Subject: [VegFriends] Robyn's big SXSW adventure don't think this made it to the fegs... - ----- Forwarded message from Brenda Sledge ----- To: VegetableFriends@yahoogroups.com From: "Brenda Sledge" Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:22:35 -0000 Subject: [VegFriends] Robyn's big SXSW adventure While looking for tales of Robyn's appearances at the SXSW fest this year I discovered a piece he wrote for the Austin Chronicle. Among the tidbits included are 1) that he is now officially Reverend Hitchcock 2) that he designed the official swag totebag for the festival and 3) he had dinner one evening with Elvis Costello AND Robert Plant. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that one.. :) Roberta HOME: MARCH 18, 2005: MUSIC: MY SXSW My SXSW Music fest diary BY ROBYN HITCHCOCK It's now getting toward sundown on Friday, and I'm looking out from the ninth floor of the Radisson over the bridge toward the Hyatt. Groovers dotted here and there on the bridge cast ant-sized shadows. My wife, Michele, and I are looking for some food by sitting down and staring into space, discussing Led Zeppelin with our friends. Talk drifts to latex bands; the mind drifts to the stomach. Munching on a crisp organic apple, I remember seeing an epic set from Robert Plant last night, and an epic set from Elvis Costello the night before. We had supper with both of them on Wednesday after Michele was poured out of American Airlines' 10-hour run from London, and before my Emo's show. Elvis, Robert, and I immediately launched into an intense gabfest about the Incredible String Band, whose mentor Bruce Findlay I'd run into that morning. This legendary Scotsman is now managing Aberfeldy, who Krugman says is fantastic. Like the Incredible String Band were. Krugman is the best friend and mentor of a local writer, whose wedding I officiated Monday, where he wed a local exotic dancer. I've never conducted a wedding before, but apparently it worked: It's legal, and they're still together. And I'm now a minister of the Church of the Universal Mind in Fisk, Ariz. If you would like me to marry you to the person of your choice, just choose someone (after checking first that they are fine with being chosen) and contact me at www.robynhitchcock. com  the very Reverend Hitchcock. I've had two shows so far, not counting the wedding and reception party, and I have two more upcoming this evening. It's always a thrill being at SXSW  a chance to meet everyone you know in the music business in three days and decide whether you want to see them again next year. Playing music is the icing on the schmoozefest, and this year SXSW has given me four icings. Plus, this time I got to design the gift bag. Costello and Plant were the only shows I actually saw this time. It was great to see two men still so in love with what they do, sharing it with the welcoming crowd. I'm still enjoying playing live, too  more than ever, strangely. As Ian McLagan observed to me yesterday  a retired musician is a dead one. Now I've got to guzzle my ye olde fish and chips and prepare for my next one. Thanks for having me, Robyn Hitchcock p.s.: Karl Rove is terrified of emperor penguins. Donny Rumsfeld's nemesis is bread. And W. thinks he's being stalked by Neil Diamond, or possibly Barry Manilow. Copyright ) 2005 Austin Chronicle Corporation. All rights reserved. - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:30:20 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap Jazz singer Bobby Short Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:27:16 -0800 From: "Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" Subject: Re: Apple downloads (NR) having downloaded and listened to this in its entirety, i can assert with some confidence that it sucks twelve different kinds of asscurd. might be a little bit better than *Yankee Hotel Foxtrot*, though. - ------------------------------------------- If you missed Extraordinary Machine the first time round, here's another site - Direct and BitTorrent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:10:08 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: track-ums in the middle >Allow me to put forward the contrary opinion, since it's sometimes mine >(and other times not). > >A big part of "proper sequencing" is how an album ends. It was put forward >here, eons ago (by Librik? by Godwin?), that having UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT >not conclude with its title track is a great cheat to newer listeners. > >In the XTC case, this is a drastic change. Sometimes, there is a happy >accident (BLACK SEA, for example, allows you to drift off with "The >Somnambulist," a much more peaceful way to go than via "Travels In >Nihilon"; GO 2 similarly provides a different shade to the finish by >closing with "Are You Receiving Me?" rather than the less convincing "I Am >The Audience"). Sometimes, it is an utter disaster (how does WHITE MUSIC >not conclude with "Neon Shuffle"? how does DRUMS AND WIRES not conclude >with "Complicated Game"??? or THE BIG EXPRESS, "Train Running Low On Soul >Coal"?). I think that XTC suffered very badly with this, because on almost every original vinyl album the final track was a killer. I'd hav far preferred it if the extra tracks had been stuck on compilation CDs. I know it would have been more expense, but it would have been worth it considering how well the original running orders worked. or failing that, the old "five seconds of silence before the bonus tracks" system used for the likes of Elvis Costello. (and to refresh the memory, here are some of those final tracks that successfully ended albums on just the right note: Neon shuffle, Iam the audience, complicated game, Travels in Nihilon, Snowman*, Train running low..., Funk pop a roll, Sacrificial bonfire, Chalkhills and children, Books are burning, The last balloon). James (*actually, I initially had the single LP version of this album, which finished equally well with "All of a sudden). - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:31:31 -0500 From: "Brian Nupp" Subject: Abbey Road Studios... opens it's doors... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=769&e=8&u=/nm/music_ab beyroad_dc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:45:01 -0800 From: "Revolutionary Army of the Baby Jesus" Subject: Reapage Kurt Vonnegut, 82. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:56:03 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Reapage wrote: > Kurt Vonnegut, 82. Ah, fuck. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:18:16 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Reapage Any confirmation, links? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Revolutionary > Army of the Baby Jesus > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:45 PM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Reapage > > Kurt Vonnegut, 82. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:18:26 -0800 From: Eb Subject: re: reap I can't find any confirmation on Vonnegut's death, as yet...seems like Eddie posted an incorrect "reap" about someone else, a couple of months back (I forget who now). Source for news? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:22:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: I did find this important news, however CELINE SLAMS LAS VEGAS AUDIENCES Superstar CELINE DION has hit out at audiences at her Las Vegas shows - insisting they are not 'real fans' and often fall asleep while she sings. The Canadian is contracted to perform 200 shows a year at Sin City's Caesar's Palace, but she admits she is disillusioned by the experience of performing to jet-lagged gamblers. She snipes, "When I started here, I told myself, 'I'm not gonna expect anything'. That only leaves you open to disappointment. "People come here for four days, they eat too much, drink too many free drinks, they get sick from all that, they are jet-lagged sometimes so they just sit in the seat and sleep. "As an entertainer, you have to be prepared for everything when it comes to the audience here. When you tour, people come there specifically that night to see you. "They bought their tickets months and months ago. Here, they walk up to the box office an hour before the show. It's a very different kind of audience." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:23:41 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Reapage >From: Rex Broome >Subject: Re: Reapage >Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:56:03 -0800 > wrote: > > Kurt Vonnegut, 82. >Ah, fuck. So it goes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:29:29 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: re: Obscurities Palle: >> 8. Dixie Chicken - Little Feat > Never understood the fascination with this band. OK southern rock. I can hear bands just like them any Friday night in any blues bar for $5. Wha...? Don't worry, in a couple of months the Northern winter will have receded and your brain will be able to fully function again. Canadians are really batting 1.000 right now, eh? As your caretaker, we have decided that you're clearly in a permanent vegetative state and are removing your life support. No more MTV or hockey stick subsidies for you. Michael "really? any blues bar for $5? which ones?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:13:56 -0800 From: Eb Subject: a great read for Tom Waits fans and otherwise http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,13887,1439272,00.html ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #75 *******************************