From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #65 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 15 2005 Volume 14 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Obscurities [James Dignan ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 [James Dignan ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 [Rex Broome ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 [Jeff ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest [Eb ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest [Rex Broome ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest [Rex Broome ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest [The Great Quail ] Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... [The Great Quail ] Correction to Rex errata [The Great Quail ] Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... [Rex Broome ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest [Jeff ] Good reason not to buy an iPod. [Capuchin ] RE: Congrats.. [Capuchin ] Re: Squidmaniax-digest [Rex Broome ] Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... [The Great Quail ] Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... [Rex Broome ] Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... [Capuchin ] RE: Congrats.. [Capuchin ] Re: Good reason not to buy an iPod. [Tom Clark ] Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... [The Great Quail Subject: Re: Obscurities >25. Warren Zevon - Warren Zevon at least as good as - IMHO far superior to - the follow up ("Excitable Boy") which was the one everyone talks about. Some of WZ's finest songs (Carmelita, Desperadoes under the eaves, the French inhaler, I'll sleep when I'm dead...) - probably his best album. And the list of people roped in to help out is eyebrow-raising: Jackson Browne, Phil Everly, JD Souther, Carl Wilson, Lindsey Buckingham, Frey and Henley, Stevie Nicks, and Jorge Calderon, to name a few. >31. Stormcock - Roy Harper Dammit I wish I still had a copy of that... >54. Dancing in The Dragon's Jaws - Bruce Cockburn If you can get over the vague and occasionally not-so-vague religious feel of the lyrics, this is a very pleasant album - albeit a quieter one. Weirdly rambling in a very Canadian way at times (don't think i expressed that very well, but still)> One of his better works, up there with Inner City Front. For some reason I want to say 'Imagine Joni Mitchell circa "Hejira" working with Al Stewart circa "Year of the Cat"'), but I don't think that would help much either. >124. Sweet Child - Pentangle Reasonable, but the best place to start if you don't know them is probably "Basket of Light". >172. Summertime Dream - Gordon Lightfoot The big single was "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald", and it also contains its evil twin ("Too many clues in this room"). Mid-to-late period Lightfoot, not the early (Sundown/If you could read my mind) stuff. Meditations on life, pleasant without being astonishing. I still dig it out and listen to it every now and again. Some of the gentler songs (like the title track) have that summer airy lightness feel to them. Dammit, I never said I could do music reviews. >200. Eagle Rock - Daddy Cool Possibly the single most annoying song ever to come out of Australia, "The Newcastle Song" notwithstanding. Daddy Cool was Australia's biggest mid-70s pub-rock band, and sounded like a cross between 70s Rolling Stones and Status Quo with a bit of Dr Hook thrown in for good measure. >Good lord - was the list written by a teenager? (Apologies to any >actual teenagers on this list - who, by definition of being here, >aren't as ignorant as yr typical teenager.) I successfully introduced a 14 year old to the music of one Ian Dury the other day... James PS: Jim Kerr looks like the identical twin of Alice's uncle - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:53:33 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:21:17 -0800 >From: Rex Broome >Subject: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 > >Anyone spacing out through All Things Considered right now, open yr >ears... Giant Squid news on the way! because yoooouuuu asked for it!!! yes folks, remember that number - The headline alone makes it worthwhile. > > 94. Music in a Doll's House - Family > >Didn't McCartney have something to with this? Or am I just thinking of >the draft title for the White Album, which was similar to this? exactly. "Music from a Doll's House" was the original indended title for the White Album, and they had to change it when Family released their album. To keep things squidly, I've been going on walks down to the beach every evening as a sort of low-key exercise regime, and quite often the lights of the squid boats can be seen in the distance offshore (in case you are all unaware, squidboats have giant floodlights onboard. Fishing is done at might, and the squid are attracted to the lights like giant wet moths). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:38:19 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Obscurities On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:51:26 -0800, Eb wrote: > >> Click "Music Lists"...you'll find a slew of them, including the > >> "Greatest Forgotten Albums." > > > > Ooh...ugliness! > > How so? You mean bad list choices, bad website design or what? All of the above: the site has the feel of something designed by an evil mutant crossbreed of a stoned teenager and a marketing guy trying to appeal to same. The latter, I think, comes from the "all things to all people" aspect of the site: I mean, what does a list of "dumb blonde jokes" have to do with "100 greatest guitarists" or whatever? - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:38:59 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 James: Fishing is done at might, and the squid are attracted to the > lights like giant wet moths). Band name for the taking... - -Rex Broome, guitar and vocal, the equally aquatically named Skates & Rays. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:56:54 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:38:59 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: > James: > Fishing is done at might, and the squid are attracted to the > > lights like giant wet moths). > > Band name for the taking... Which? "Giant Wet Moths" or "Fishing Done at Might"? - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest Vol 2392 No. 765 Jeff wrote: > Rex Broome wrote: >> James: >>> Fishing is done at might, and the squid are attracted >>> to the lights like giant wet moths). > > Band name for the taking... > Which? "Giant Wet Moths" or "Fishing Done at Might"? The former is the band name -- the latter the album title. "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:16:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest Rex Broome wrote: > Fishing is done at might, and the squid are attracted to the >> lights like giant wet moths). > > Band name for the taking... > > -Rex Broome, guitar and vocal, the equally aquatically named Skates & > Rays. dear diary, the weather is warmer today. and rex found another awkward way to bring up his living-room band. xoxo ebby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Eb wrote: > dear diary, FUCKIN GET A ROOM ALREADY!! EB - GET TWO -- ONE FOR REX AND ONE FOR JEME. =jbj= wishing you would take this shit offline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:50:37 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest Hey. Eb. Fuck you. How much did you run today? I really really care. Die. - -Rex PS it's properly a plumbing shop band. On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:16:14 -0800, Eb wrote: > Rex Broome wrote: > > Fishing is done at might, and the squid are attracted to the > >> lights like giant wet moths). > > > > Band name for the taking... > > > > -Rex Broome, guitar and vocal, the equally aquatically named Skates & > > Rays. > > dear diary, > > the weather is warmer today. and rex found another awkward way to bring > up his living-room band. > > xoxo > ebby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:06:12 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest > =jbj= wishing you would take this shit offline Appreciated. I think I'm done. Frankly I have no desire for offlist contact with someone who's so unaccountably bitter towards people around her just for expressing themselves in ways that the rest of us seem to find, if not necessarily interesting, then at least less than a source of irrepressible rancor. Me, I do want to stick around here and hear what those folks have to say. So I get a little side-order of troll with my squid-news and musical debate. Oh, well. It is initially about Robyn Hitchcock, and goes on to be a social exchange among folks who kind of like each other, right? So if someone's not interested enough in Mr. Hitchcock to attend his local shows, and finds a fair number of the other regular posters so damned aggravating on principle that he can't resist unwarranted jabs, I find it hard to figure out why one would hang around in this forum short of being a sad, sad sociopath. And I am really, really done now. Jeme, pass me the smokes. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:55:00 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest JBJ squawks, > FUCKIN GET A ROOM ALREADY!! > EB - GET TWO -- ONE FOR REX AND ONE FOR JEME. > =jbj= wishing you would take this shit offline Well, I for one thought it was funny. Rex sure does like talking about himself a lot, and Eb sure does like tossing out the snarky comment. (I imagine Rex as a perpetually self-inflating balloon and Eb as a nasty little self-sharpening needle!) There's been a heck of a lot of "shit" around here that's been much worse than this -- truly, it's as if they were made for each other. The Force must be balanced, after all. Not sure why you brought Jeme into this.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:15:07 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... Rex rants, > So if > someone's not interested enough in Mr. Hitchcock to attend his local > shows, and finds a fair number of the other regular posters so damned > aggravating on principle that he can't resist unwarranted jabs, I find > it hard to figure out why one would hang around in this forum short of > being a sad, sad sociopath. Cool off, Rex! First of all, the second you start questioning Eb's Robyn affiliation, you begin to drift way off base. Eb's been a part of this List longer than you've been here, and even longer than I've been here; he's posted some of the best musical criticism I've read here, and his contributions, musically speaking, are extremely sound. Now, does Eb take cheap shots at people? Does he snark and grump and grouse? Sure he does, and he'd be the first to admit it. But to call him a "sad sad sociopath" is reaching too far. Nor do I think his jabs at you are entirely "unwarranted." Hell -- I'm going to be perfectly frank -- I actually *enjoy* watching Eb take the piss out of you sometimes. I mean, you are a nice guy and all, but it's a rare subject posted to this list that you don't immediately seize upon as a mirror to reflect yourself. Hey, that's fine -- I have my own e-personality foibles, and Eb's got plenty -- but I wouldn't say his jabs are "unwarranted." And furthermore, they are just that: jabs. They hardly rate the vitriol that you pack into some of your responses. Having watched Eb's flames wars for almost ten years now, I feel that I can offer a comment or two. Eb generally targets people who have a few things in common, those being a tendency towards pomposity, a lack of good humor, and little sense of self-awareness. If you would have laughed off some of his comments instead of overreacting (i.e., "Fuck you," "Die," "sad, sad sociopath," etc.), I have a feeling things might have shaped up differently. I know that after I first started to post, Eb took the piss out of me quite a lot. But that's all it was, and we eventually became friends. (Only two people on this List have ever managed to send me off the deep end and careening into idiotic behavior: Capuchin, and that one English guy aftre 911!) Look -- I don't think you are a bad person, I don't dislike you or anything, and you often have some great insights to share. But before you want to flay Eb alive and boil him in Beezle-Nut oil, take a few moments to reflect on the nature of the tension between the two of you. It may not all be on account of his sociopathy. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:25:36 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Correction to Rex errata Rex, Sorry, checking up, it seems you have been around a lot longer than I thought. My apologies; but that doesn't change what I was trying to say. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:21:21 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... Quail: >it's a rare subject posted to this list that you > don't immediately seize upon as a mirror to reflect yourself. >a tendency towards pomposity, a lack of good humor, and > little sense of self-awareness. Thanks for the kind words. What am I paying my therapist for? Nice, real nice. I know from plenty of off-list conversations that I'm not alone in finding these barbs at me and others unwarranted and nasty, nor the compulsion to make them to be kinda sad. >Having watched Eb's flames wars for almost ten > years now, Now see, that's just it. "Eb's flame wars for almost ten years". Why? That's a long period of uninterrupted needless bitterness. The flames don't originate with the people who bite back, or those wiser than me who don't. What compels someone to go trolling for reactions like that? Something cruel and judgmental, I'd say. I admit it, I don't get cruelty. I'd rather be self-obsessed and decent than an asshole. I'll be honest, the reason I respond so directly on occasion to the barbs is that in his innocent jabs, as you see them, Eb actually means "fuck you" and "die" to begin with. Why try to strike some kind of world-weary wittier-than-thou pose in response? >(Only two people on this List have ever managed >>to send me off the deep end and >>careening into idiotic behavior: Capuchin, and >>that one English guy aftre 911!) So maybe that's it-- Jeme doesn't bug me in the least. Jeme's got an uncompromising worldview (an interesting one at that), but the guy has a good heart. Jeme's jabs serve a purpose other than a desire to make someone he doesn't like feel crappy. So, sociopath? The jury's still out. Sad? No question. If you know you're being hurtful and keep on doing it, what's up with you? - -Mr. Humorless Pompous Self-Denier Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:30:08 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:06:12 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: > > =jbj= wishing you would take this shit offline > > Appreciated. I think I'm done. Frankly I have no desire for offlist > contact with someone who's so unaccountably bitter towards people > around her Yeah, gender dysphoria makes people cranky. "My name is Eb and I'm a head case..." (clomp clomp clomp clomp <--Entwistle bass) - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:35:21 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Good reason not to buy an iPod. Someone give me one. While "Because it costs a month's rent." seems quite solid on the surface, it is failing to control my impulses today. (The store near me has a few 40GiB ones left... which means you save about $100 on accessories over the new models.) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:46:58 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Congrats.. On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Brian Huddell wrote: >>>> Is the letter available online? I don't see letters on the site. >>> >>> The link is hidden a bit: >>> http://www.thestranger.com/current/letters.html >> >> Yeah, hidden in the main body of the page with the cryptic link >> "Letters to the Editor". >> >> Surely your browser has a "find" utility. > > If only Jeme had a "superior asshole" switch. Well, I'm quite predictably shocked by this response. > I mean, since you used roughly as much bandwidth scolding me for not > using Find in Firefox as I used asking if The Stranger posts LTE online, > what exactly was the point of this mean-spirited snark? Who cares about bandwidth? I was making a JOKE about how hard it is to find the link -- like pointing out that the guy's glasses are on his head and the pen is behind his ear. I guess I figured you'd just smack yourself on the forehead and laugh. We all do stupid shit, Brian. It's funny. > Why don't you just fucking give up on us humans already and leave us to > wallow in our inadequacies? Well, I thought you humans would like the reminder that there's a find utility in your web browser. It's really quite handy. I use it all the time and I think there are other reasons to use it besides that. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:48:19 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Squidmaniax-digest > > someone who's so unaccountably bitter towards people > > around her > > Yeah, gender dysphoria makes people cranky. Hee. Clearly "around here", but, well, oops. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:50:32 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... Rex asks, > Thanks for the kind words. What am I paying my therapist for? Well, that's a question that only you can answer! I pay *my* therapist to keep me from killing every Republican I see and rolling around giggling in their entrails. Not sure what you are about. > I know from plenty of off-list conversations that I'm not alone in > finding these barbs at me and others unwarranted and nasty, nor the > compulsion to make them to be kinda sad. Well, that may be so; but two can play at that game. I know from many off-lists conversations that some people find you an irritating boor. And I'm sure that some folks on the List have a treasure trove of off-list posts saying, "Quail is *such* an asshole." Big deal. > Now see, that's just it. "Eb's flame wars for almost ten years". > Why? That's a long period of uninterrupted needless bitterness. Well, I don't think that's what Eb is all about. I know a lot of people I really like do not care for Eb, but I can honestly say that if he dropped of the List, I would probably follow. >The > flames don't originate with the people who bite back, or those wiser > than me who don't. Well, call me whatever you will, but I kind of enjoy watching Eb take the piss out of some people. Not everyone, mind you. But when the person under "attack" just gets increasingly more pompous, I find it amusing -- even if I like that person, as was the case more than a few times. Look, I can speak freely as someone who has had a few public "melt-downs" on the List.... It's always better to reply with humor. The higher the monkey climbs, and all.... >What compels someone to go trolling for reactions > like that? Well, like I said before.... Maybe you offer yourself as a target too juicy to pass up? I mean, you do talk about your band a lot. You frequently take posts and immediately bend them in your direction. Your tone is often on the lofty side, filled with self-referential statements and lots of pronouncements. Come on! You might as well be walking around with a big "Hey Eb, kick me!" sign around your neck. > I'd rather be self-obsessed and decent than an > asshole. Well, I don't think Eb is an asshole. But if he is, I find his assholery more enjoyable to read than self-obsessed decency. This is just my opinion, of course. > I'll be honest, the reason I respond so directly on occasion to the > barbs is that in his innocent jabs, as you see them, Eb actually means > "fuck you" and "die" to begin with. Why try to strike some kind of > world-weary wittier-than-thou pose in response? Hm. Maybe -- just a thought here-- he doesn't actually mean "fuck you" and "die." Maybe he just means, "Oh, shut up already!" There's quite a difference. It seems to me that a better response to him would be to act witty, not whiny. Or just ignore him. > So maybe that's it-- Jeme doesn't bug me in the least. Jeme's got an > uncompromising worldview (an interesting one at that), but the guy has > a good heart. Jeme's jabs serve a purpose other than a desire to make > someone he doesn't like feel crappy. I don't want to drag Jeme into this in that way, so I will not contest your appraisal. > So, sociopath? The jury's still out. Is this a trial? Are you the judge? - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:08:25 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Congrats.. Jeme: > We all do stupid shit, Brian. It's funny. Apparently I misinterpreted your tone. I apologize for adding to the bad vibes hereabouts. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:24:18 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... > Well, that may be so; but two can play at that game. I know from many > off-lists conversations that some people find you an irritating boor. (responds with humor!) > Well, call me whatever you will, but I kind of enjoy watching Eb take the > piss out of some people. Not everyone, mind you. But when the person under > "attack" just gets increasingly more pompous, I find it amusing -- even if I > like that person, as was the case more than a few times. (responds with humor!) > Well, like I said before.... Maybe you offer yourself as a target too juicy > to pass up? I mean, you do talk about your band a lot. Erm, usually self-deprecatingly, in case it doesn't come across that way. >You frequently take > posts and immediately bend them in your direction. Kinda the thing to do, right, bring one's own perspective to a discourse? Your tone is often on the > lofty side, filled with self-referential statements and lots of > pronouncements. Making me a unique figure indeed. >Come on! You might as well be walking around with a big "Hey > Eb, kick me!" sign around your neck. I never get that logic. "I had to hit him, he was ugly." Note that all your other pals who find me boorish have kindly kept it offlist. > Well, I don't think Eb is an asshole. But if he is, I find his assholery > more enjoyable to read than self-obsessed decency. This is just my opinion, > of course. Mine: mean people suck. > Is this a trial? Are you the judge? You're parsing this to death. Someone was mean. Someone else didn't like it and said so. Playground stuff. If you find bullying behavior entertaining, good on ya. I'm taping up my glasses and going home. Humor! Humor! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, The Great Quail wrote: > I pay *my* therapist to keep me from killing every Republican I see and > rolling around giggling in their entrails. Not sure what you are about. So, err, it's clearly not an abiding love for your fellow man that prevents you from becoming a Republican... what is it? Pavolovian training? > Well, call me whatever you will, but I kind of enjoy watching Eb take > the piss out of some people. Yeah, but you also want to roll giggling in entrails. So there's not a narrow sadistic streak in you. > Your tone is often on the lofty side, filled with self-referential > statements and lots of pronouncements. Come on! You might as well be > walking around with a big "Hey Eb, kick me!" sign around your neck. That's right, Rex. Folks should keep their noses down and speak only when addressed, else they will get skewered by the heartless among us. Remember that. It's important to let the worst part of human nature control our behavior. [Rex, briefly] >> I'd rather be self-obsessed and decent than an asshole. I was going to reply to that last post with this: "That's my second album title: self-obsessed and decent. J. -- all instruments, all vocals; The Littlest Hobo" But I have a paper to typeset. > Well, I don't think Eb is an asshole. But if he is, I find his assholery > more enjoyable to read than self-obsessed decency. This is just my > opinion, of course. ...and maybe something to bring up with that therapist. Mine, by the way, just keeps trying to convince me that I'm really not OK with the knowledge that nobody can ever live up to my ideals. > Hm. Maybe -- just a thought here-- he doesn't actually mean "fuck you" > and "die." Maybe he just means, "Oh, shut up already!" There's quite a > difference. I don't think so. They're both statements of hate and an attempt to exert control over the behavior of others (for selfish ends, no less). That's bad news no matter how you phrase it. > It seems to me that a better response to him would be to act witty, not > whiny. Or just ignore him. I don't think Rex's response was whiny, it was direct and forthright. Whiny people are pretty much always passive-aggressive (when they're aggressive at all). >> So maybe that's it-- Jeme doesn't bug me in the least. Jeme's got an >> uncompromising worldview (an interesting one at that), but the guy has >> a good heart. Jeme's jabs serve a purpose other than a desire to make >> someone he doesn't like feel crappy. > > I don't want to drag Jeme into this in that way, so I will not contest > your appraisal. In what way DO you want to drag me into this? I will write that Rex's comments gave me a little warm fuzzy. I do get tired of being misunderstood all the time. There are people that get it and that makes it a little easier. >> So, sociopath? The jury's still out. > > Is this a trial? Are you the judge? We're all judges all the time. That's what makes us equals. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Congrats.. On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Brian Huddell wrote: > Jeme: >> We all do stupid shit, Brian. It's funny. > > Apparently I misinterpreted your tone. I apologize for adding to the > bad vibes hereabouts. It's all good in the 'hood, yo. Peace out. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:46:45 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Good reason not to buy an iPod. On Mar 15, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Capuchin wrote: > Someone give me one. > > While "Because it costs a month's rent." seems quite solid on the > surface, it is failing to control my impulses today. > > (The store near me has a few 40GiB ones left... which means you save > about $100 on accessories over the new models.) > > You just seem like the last person I know who would want to be associated with something so trendy and corporate! Having said that, I can get you a 15% discount... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:31:34 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Eb and Rex, sitting in a tree.... Capuchin writes, > So, err, it's clearly not an abiding love for your fellow man that > prevents you from becoming a Republican... what is it? Pavolovian > training? I am not sure I know what you mean. You think I am almost a Republican? And by "Pavolovian," are you implying that my parents are liberal? I come from a very NASCAR family, actually -- I am the only Democrat in the bunch. >> Well, call me whatever you will, but I kind of enjoy watching Eb take >> the piss out of some people. > > Yeah, but you also want to roll giggling in entrails. So there's not a > narrow sadistic streak in you. Now -- I want to roll giggling in *Republican* entrails. Doesn't that count for something? > That's right, Rex. Folks should keep their noses down and speak only when > addressed, else they will get skewered by the heartless among us. > Remember that. Ah, Capuchin speaks of heartlessness! Well, I only meant to say that Rex exhibits the very kind of traits that goad Eb. Eb exhibits the kind of traits that goad -- well, lots of people. And so on. It's just the way of things. I don't think that politeness must be adhered to at all times; sometimes a small bloodletting is necessary to clear the air. Rex can be annoying to some people, Eb throws the occasional barb at him, Big deal. So we fight for a few days, big deal. > Mine, by the way, just keeps trying to convince me that I'm really not OK > with the knowledge that nobody can ever live up to my ideals. Are you saying that with irony? I hope you are saying that with irony. >> Hm. Maybe -- just a thought here-- he doesn't actually mean "fuck you" >> and "die." Maybe he just means, "Oh, shut up already!" There's quite a >> difference. > > I don't think so. They're both statements of hate and an attempt to exert > control over the behavior of others (for selfish ends, no less). That's > bad news no matter how you phrase it. This is what Eb wrote: >dear diary, >the weather is warmer today. and rex found another awkward way to bring up his living-room band. >xoxo >ebby This is your statement of hate? This, compared to what Rex wrote -- "Fuck you" and "Die?" I'll give Rex this -- at least he was pretty honest in his anger! >> It seems to me that a better response to him would be to act witty, not >> whiny. Or just ignore him. > > I don't think Rex's response was whiny, it was direct and forthright. Well, I disagree. > In what way DO you want to drag me into this? Well, you dragged yourself in, at least to this extent....not sure why you are saying *that.* >I will write that Rex's > comments gave me a little warm fuzzy. I do get tired of being > misunderstood all the time. There are people that get it and that makes > it a little easier. Aaaaaaaagh! You are such an insufferably arrogant ass! It's really unbelievable. In a strange way, it's almost kind of...beautiful. At the end of the world, when the cockroaches have taken over and Tupac has stopped making albums, there you will be, alone and perfect; like a small, round, impervious, golden buddha.... - --Quail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #65 *******************************