From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #63 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 13 2005 Volume 14 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Congrats.. ["Marc Alberts" ] RE: Congrats.. [Capuchin ] RE: Congrats.. ["Brian Huddell" ] Obscurities [Eb ] Re: Obscurities and Rufus Wainwright [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr [Eb ] Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr [Eb ] Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr [Jeff Dwarf ] FW: Obscurities ["michael wells" ] Re: FW: Obscurities [Eb ] Re: FW: Obscurities [Jeff ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:01:10 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Congrats.. Brian Huddell wrote: > > goes to Eddie, who, in a letter to the editor in this weeks Stranger > > (www.thestranger.com), accuses the music reviewer of smoking > > crack. > > Is the letter available online? I don't see letters on the site. The link is hidden a bit: http://www.thestranger.com/current/letters.html Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Congrats.. On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Marc Alberts wrote: > Brian Huddell wrote: >>> goes to Eddie, who, in a letter to the editor in this weeks Stranger >>> (www.thestranger.com), accuses the music reviewer of smoking >>> crack. >> >> Is the letter available online? I don't see letters on the site. > > The link is hidden a bit: > http://www.thestranger.com/current/letters.html Yeah, hidden in the main body of the page with the cryptic link "Letters to the Editor". Surely your browser has a "find" utility. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:27:53 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Congrats.. > >> Is the letter available online? I don't see letters on the site. > > > > The link is hidden a bit: > > http://www.thestranger.com/current/letters.html > > Yeah, hidden in the main body of the page with the cryptic > link "Letters > to the Editor". > > Surely your browser has a "find" utility. If only Jeme had a "superior asshole" switch. I mean, since you used roughly as much bandwidth scolding me for not using Find in Firefox as I used asking if The Stranger posts LTE online, what exactly was the point of this mean-spirited snark? Why don't you just fucking give up on us humans already and leave us to wallow in our inadequacies? Thank-you, Marc, for the link. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:51:49 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Obscurities I landed on a webpage which listed a purported top 200 list of "forgotten" albums. Many of them didn't warrant being called "forgotten" in my eyes, but others were suitably obscure (I can't address the greater issue of their artistic merit, because I haven't heard them). Just taking a casual subset of those albums, does anyone have any interesting views on the below? We could use a fruitful music thread, obviously.... There are at least four names on this list (Trapeze, Illinois Speed Press, Chris Smither, Daddy Cool) which don't ring even the *faintest* bells with me. Otherwise, I suppose the list has a clear "southern fried"-type bent. (It's probably a safe guess that the listmaker comes from Texas?) Eb 1. Frisco Mabel Joy - Mickey Newbury 8. Dixie Chicken - Little Feat 10. Chicken Skin Music - Ry Cooder 16. Lost In The Ozone - Commander Cody 19. Argus - Wishbone Ash 20. The Captain and Me - The Doobie Brothers 22. Grooves in Orbit - NRBQ 23. Musta Notta Gotta Lotta - Joe Ely 25. Warren Zevon - Warren Zevon 28. El Rayo-X - David Lindley 29. John Prine - John Prine 31. Stormcock - Roy Harper 33. Bring The Family - John Hiatt 36. Seconds of Pleasure - Rockpile 40. Third Down, 110 To Go - Jesse Winchester 41. Cricklewood Green - Ten Years After 42. Nightingales & Bombers - Manfred Mann's Earth Band 44. Balaklava - Pearls Before Swine 53. Crazy Horse - Crazy Horse 54. Dancing in The Dragon's Jaws - Bruce Cockburn 59. Winning - Russ Ballard 63. Steven Stills - Steven Stills 64. Once Upon a Time - Simple Minds 65. Songs of Love & Hate - Leonard Cohen 68. Kimono My House - Sparks 72. Gorilla - Bonzo Dog Band 79. Pickin' Up The Pieces - Poco 84. Elephant Mountain - Youngbloods 85. Accept No Substitute - Delaney, Bonnie & Friends 87. O'Keefe - Danny O'Keefe 88. Suite For Susan Moore - Tim Hardin 94. Music in a Doll's House - Family 95. Blue River - Eric Andersen 99. A Nod Is As Good As a Wink - Faces 101. Bare Trees - Fleetwood Mac 105. Medusa - Trapeze 106. Slaughter On 10th Avenue - Mick Ronson 115. What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits - Doobie Brothers 117. French Kiss - Bob Welch 118. Pleasures of The Harbor - Phil Ochs 119. Sons - Sons of Champlin 121. Shady Grove - Quicksilver Messenger Service 123. American Gothic - David Ackles 124. Sweet Child - Pentangle 125. Tracks On Wax 4 - Dave Edmunds 126. Cry Tough - Nils Lofgren 128. Will O' The Wisp - Leon Russell 138. Stone The Crows - Stone The Crows 142. Duet - Illinois Speed Press 143. Box of Frogs - Box of Frogs 145. Eli and The Thirteenth Confession - Laura Nyro 149. Down Two Then Left - Boz Scaggs 150. Twilley Don't Mind - Dwight Twilley Band 152. Songs For a Tailor - Jack Bruce 155. War Baby: Hope & Glory - Tom Robinson 156. Phosphorescent Rat - Hot Tuna 157. It Aint Easy - Chris Smither 159. Gris Gris - Dr John 160. Rear View Mirror - Townes Van Zandt 164. Ssssh - Ten Years After 167. I Don't Want To Go Home - Southside Johnny & The Asbury Jukes 168. Spinning Around The Sun - Jimmie Dale Gilmore 169. Album III - Louden Wainwright III 171. The Dark - Guy Clark 172. Summertime Dream - Gordon Lightfoot 178. California Bloodlines - John Stewart 179. Second Thoughts - McKendree Spring 182. The Flock - The Flock 183. Tim Rose - Tim Rose 184. Melting Pot - Booker T & The MG's 187. Flat As a Pancake - Head East 188. Two Weeks Last Summer - Dave Cousins 189. Glass Harp - Glass Harp 191. Blue Jays - Justin Hayward & John Lodge 193. Elf - Ronnie James Dio 194. Infinite Rider on The Big Dogma - Michael Nesmith 195. Other Voices, Other Rooms - Nanci Griffith 197. Asylum Choir - Leon Russell & Marc Benno 198. Pictures For Pleasure - Charlie Sexton 199. McLemore Avenue - Booker T & The MG's 200. Eagle Rock - Daddy Cool ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:13:12 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Obscurities and Rufus Wainwright - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on 13. MC$rz 2005 13:51:49 -0800 regarding Obscurities: > I landed on a webpage which listed a purported top 200 list of > "forgotten" albums. Many of them didn't warrant being called > "forgotten" in my eyes, but others were suitably obscure (I can't > address the greater issue of their artistic merit, because I haven't > heard them). > > Just taking a casual subset of those albums, does anyone have any > interesting views on the below? We could use a fruitful music thread, > obviously.... > There are only two of those I know, one of which I've got: > 53. Crazy Horse - Crazy Horse I fail to see how this is obscure, but "forgotten" may be appropriate. It doesn't have much to distinguish itself, but to me it's indispensable because it has "Dance, Dance, Dance" on it. Every person in Cologne should have this, because it's the basis for the carnival standard "PC$nz, PC$nz, PC$nz". It's a great cover in Cologne dialect (KC6lsch) with completely different lyrics. > 64. Once Upon a Time - Simple Minds Huh? This must be written from an exclusively American perspective! That album sold like crazy over here. I used to like it at the time and actually went to the show. It was a pretty bad experience for me, because I got ill that night and didn't really take in much of the music. I don't have it anymore, except maybe on an old tape. In other news I have just discovered Rufus Wainwright. I know that this list has fought over him at several occasions, but at the time I wasn't familiar with him. Now a friend of mine has given me "Poses", "Want One" and "Want Two" and I like what I hear. Especially the first three tracks of "Poses" are killer. Is anybody else reminded of "Alabama Song" by "The Greek Song"? I've googled the two titles together, but all I've come up with were track lists of mix CDs ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn EhrenfeldgC Subject: Re: Obscurities You will already have received an e-mail from Mike Wells putting you right on Chris Smither. Smither's currently an entertaining and very polished country blues act. He tours widely, and is worth seeing. And if you haven't heard from Mike, man, he's slipping. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > 64. Once Upon a Time - Simple Minds > > Huh? This must be written from an exclusively American > perspective! That album sold like crazy over here. It was easily their biggest hit over here too. Probably the only Simple minds album that isn't obscure, at least as far as the masses were concerned. "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:39:11 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr >>> 64. Once Upon a Time - Simple Minds >> >> Huh? This must be written from an exclusively American >> perspective! That album sold like crazy over here. > > It was easily their biggest hit over here too. Probably the > only Simple minds album that isn't obscure, at least as far > as the masses were concerned. OK, so perhaps that's another album which shouldn't be considered "Forgotten." I don't know the Simple Minds catalog well, so I don't recall what's on this album. Though, really, I wouldn't gripe much about *any* Simple Minds material being considered "forgotten" beyond (ironically enough) "Don't You Forget About Me." The only other SM song which I ever heard with any frequency was "Promised You a Miracle." There's not a third SM song which I can even hum. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:56:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr Eb wrote: > >>> 64. Once Upon a Time - Simple Minds > OK, so perhaps that's another album which shouldn't be > considered "Forgotten." I don't know the Simple Minds > catalog well, so I don't recall what's on this album. I don't know the catalog well either, but "Alive and Kicking" was Top 5, and there were a couple other top 40 hits on it too. Really big, overproduced arena rock anthemy things. > Though, really, I wouldn't gripe much > about *any* Simple Minds material being considered > "forgotten" beyond (ironically enough) "Don't You Forget > About Me." The only other SM song which I ever heard > with any frequency was "Promised You a Miracle." There's > not a third SM song which I can even hum. If you heard "Alive and Kicking," you would recognize it. You wouldn't necessarily like it but you'd recognize it. "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:03:58 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr >> Though, really, I wouldn't gripe much >> about *any* Simple Minds material being considered >> "forgotten" beyond (ironically enough) "Don't You Forget >> About Me." The only other SM song which I ever heard >> with any frequency was "Promised You a Miracle." There's >> not a third SM song which I can even hum. > > If you heard "Alive and Kicking," you would recognize it. Just played an Amazon soundclip. I think I've heard that song before, but the clip sure didn't instantly put the whole melody in my head. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Obscurities and Jim Kerr Eb wrote: > > If you heard "Alive and Kicking," you would recognize > > it. > Just played an Amazon soundclip. I think I've heard that > song before, but the clip sure didn't instantly put the > whole melody in my head. It was always a better production effort than tune -- Jimmy Iovine and Bob Clearmountain, I think. Far more of a record than a song. Certainly not worth this much attention, but I am dragging my carcass to the end of my overlong workday and need to keep myself awake somehow. "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:29:59 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: FW: Obscurities The danger in replying to these sorts of lists that you end up sounding like a crank - "how could they possibly miss that?!?" One person's forgotten treasure is another's steady playlist, but that being said: > 8. Dixie Chicken - Little Feat This is forgotten? Lowell George was one high cowboy, sure...but damn. This is a classic. 29. John Prine - John Prine The seminal first album, including three bona fide all-time classics performed by a stunning Chicago recording group (including Steve Goodman). The birth of a legend, though you might do better with a compilation rather than getting this one by itself. 33. Bring The Family - John Hiatt The most played of all my Hiatt discs. The only hit on it - "Thing Called Love" - is the worst song. 63. Steven Stills - Steven Stills Fooking brilliant guitar. 65. Songs of Love & Hate - Leonard Cohen I am NOT an LC fan, but this one has "Joan of Arc" which must be one of the Top 10 most beautiful lyrics ever written. 143. Box of Frogs - Box of Frogs Catchy "Back Where I Started" leads it off, rest of the album is surprisingly solid (for a bunch of old Yardbirds). 157. It Aint Easy - Chris Smither I'd dare you to 'forget' Chris Smither within thirty feet of Bonnie Raitt and walk away in one piece. He is without doubt one of the best all-time purveyors of fingerstyle country blues, as well as being a master songwriter (he wrote "Love you Like a Man" which Bonnie retitled and made a monster hit, and Diana Krall just recorded it as well). As Stewart mentioned he still performs, and at a top-shelf quality 200 nights a year. IMO he is the bridge between the fingerstyle masters of the 40-60's (Dave van Ronk, Mississippi John Hurt, etc) and the new batch to which he is a mentor and father figure: Mark Erelli, Peter Mulvey, and the like. This album was from the mid-80's, and while there are no bad ones I would probably recommend a different one for your first. 160. Rear View Mirror - Townes Van Zandt Good, but there's plenty of live TvZ that can be more easily found. "Live at The Old Quarter" for instance. 169. Album III - Louden Wainwright III Better off forgotten. 171. The Dark - Guy Clark I'm starting to note a trend of "classic Americana" albums here. 193. Elf - Ronnie James Dio Huh? The worst of the three or four albums Ronnie recorded as Elf before joining Blackmore in Rainbow. Kind of a strange choice, if you're to list it at all. 195. Other Voices, Other Rooms - Nanci Griffith Sigh. Is there a Nanci Griffith album that isn't any good? Amazing. Michael "by the time this message posts, another ten albums will be forgotten" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:20:39 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: FW: Obscurities > The danger in replying to these sorts of lists that you end up > sounding like > a crank - "how could they possibly miss that?!?" Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm always terribly worried about coming off like a crank. ;) > 171. The Dark - Guy Clark > I'm starting to note a trend of "classic Americana" albums here. Like I said, I bet the lister is from Texas. Though perhaps I'm a factor here too, in that maybe I don't know as much about that kind of music so those are the albums I opted to inquire about. Just show you what I mean about the list's dubious criteria for "forgotten," some other albums on the list include...mmm...The Gilded Palace of Sin, Village Green Preservation Society, White Light/White Heat, Something/Anything, We're Only in It for the Money, Electric Warrior, John Barleycorn Must Die, All the Young Dudes, The Notorious Byrd Brothers, Buffalo Springfield Again, Fear of Music, Marquee Moon, Sweetheart of the Rodeo, McCartney, X's debut Los Angeles, Radio City, Grievous Angel, Transformer, Tupelo Honey, Ladies of the Canyon, etc. But hey, would you believe that #90 is Moss Elixir?? Offbeat choice. Especially since there are very few "college rock"-type acts on the list. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:57:55 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: FW: Obscurities On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:20:39 -0800, Eb wrote: > Just show you what I mean about the list's dubious criteria for > "forgotten," some other albums on the list include...mmm...The Gilded > Palace of Sin, Village Green Preservation Society, White Light/White > Heat, Something/Anything, We're Only in It for the Money, Electric > Warrior, John Barleycorn Must Die, All the Young Dudes, The Notorious > Byrd Brothers, Buffalo Springfield Again, Fear of Music, Marquee Moon, > Sweetheart of the Rodeo, McCartney, X's debut Los Angeles, Radio City, > Grievous Angel, Transformer, Tupelo Honey, Ladies of the Canyon, etc. Good lord - was the list written by a teenager? (Apologies to any actual teenagers on this list - who, by definition of being here, aren't as ignorant as yr typical teenager.) How the fook can WL/WH, or _Marquee Moon_... I mean, that's like saying _Citizen Kane_ is a "forgotten movie" forchrissakes! _Radio City_?!?!? Jebus Homer Christovsky...to borrow a phrase from Our Very Own Ken "The Kenster" - is this writer on crack? - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #63 *******************************