From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #48 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 25 2005 Volume 14 : Number 048 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's [Aaron Mandel ] news flash: a musician is paid like a regular employee! [Dolph Chaney ] FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: REAP (yet again) [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: REAP (yet again) ["Bachman, Michael" [Eb ] Re: FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's [Rex Broome Subject: Re: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Jeff wrote: > This refers to Robert Vickers (ex-GB bassist) having done publicity work > for Jetset for a number of years. He's now freelancing, I believe - or > at least, I was recently contacted by him indicating that he was also > doing work for other labels (such as whoever it is that's releasing > Spike Priggen's covers CD that's out next month). He was still working with Jetset as of a month ago, when I emailed the label about Luna's farewell tour. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:53:40 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Reap Pam Bricker, jazz musician and occasional vocalist for Thievery Corporation. http://www.boingboing.net/2005/02/23/pam_bricker_rip.html http://pambricker.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:25:04 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: news flash: a musician is paid like a regular employee! FINALLY!!! A record company gives a musician a salary! Maybe they'll even give him *gasp* HEALTH BENEFITS!!! Choice excerpt -- Because of the multifaceted nature of the arrangement, Rundgren's deal is not a standard record label contract mandating an advance for delivery of an album and options on future releases. Instead, Rundgren will receive a monthly minimum payment. "It's not intended to be a giant goldmine for me," Rundgren said. "It essentially guarantees me peace of mind, and rent paid, and all those things people who show up at a regular job are guaranteed." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:40:52 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: New Foetus is the bomb I'm listening to Foetus's two latest products, the (not adam) EP and the full LOVE LP, snarfed off of Usenet. Shit, Thirlwell's really back on his game. LOVE's got some of the most surprising stuff I've heard from him since THAW. It's not the sonic pummelling that FLOW is; more organic and subtle. I hope this gets released as high-res. Here's a tidbit from the official site: NEW FOETUS STUDIO ALBUM/DVD Entitled LOVE, (the latest in his extensive use of four-letter one syllable titles) the new FOETUS will be released on May 10th via Birdman. It is a sweeping dramatic epic drenched in harpsichord and orchestras with jarring left turns, bombast and seduction. It features duet with Jennifer Charles of Elysian Fields and an appearance by the amazing Pamelia Kurstin, the world's foremost thereminist! It also comes with a DVD containing 3 videos from LOVE including Blessed Evening directed by Karen O (Yeah Yeah Yeahs) with director of photography Spike Jonze, and (not adam) directed by Jeremy Solterbeck (who also directed videos for Lovage and Handsome Boys Modelling School, among others), with trailers of the J.G. Thirlwell-scored Venture Brothers (currently airing on Adult Swim/Cartoon Network), as well as classic early live footage with never before seen footage from upcoming J.G. Thirlwell documentary. DVD?! Woo-fucking-hoo. "Upcoming J.G. Thirlwell documentary"? Hot shit that's gonna be good. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:43:18 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Jeff wrote: >> This refers to Robert Vickers (ex-GB bassist) having done publicity work >> for Jetset for a number of years. He's now freelancing, I believe - or >> at least, I was recently contacted by him indicating that he was also >> doing work for other labels (such as whoever it is that's releasing >> Spike Priggen's covers CD that's out next month). Aaron came back with: >He was still working with Jetset as of a month ago, when I emailed the >label about Luna's farewell tour. Robert Vickers and Lindy Morrison (ex-GB drummer), both post messages and answer questions on the Go-Betweens web site Mail Board. Lindy in particular responds quiet often. I'll post the question and maybe he will answer if he still works at Jetset. Michael B. NP English Beat - Special Beat Service ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:17:15 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's Michael B. > Robert Vickers and Lindy Morrison (ex-GB drummer), both post messages > and answer questions on the Go-Betweens web site Mail Board. Lindy in > particular responds quiet often. What's Lindy up to these days? It's a shame she hasn't been involved in the reunion projects, although Janet Weisz is brilliant (wildly different player than Lindy was, though). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:18:58 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: REAP (yet again) Wire. Bruce Gilbert has left and that seems to be it for a while. Damned shame. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: REAP (yet again) Rex Broome wrote: > > Wire. > > Bruce Gilbert has left and that seems to be it for a > while. Damned shame. If history teaches us anything, it is that Wire will reform again at some point in the future. Shame that it won't be that soon though. ===== "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:22:16 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: REAP (yet again) Rex Broome wrote: > > > > Wire. > > > > Bruce Gilbert has left and that seems to be it for a > > while. Damned shame. Jeff Dwarf came back with: > If history teaches us anything, it is that Wire will reform > again at some point in the future. Shame that it won't be > that soon though. Meanwhile, we still have the original Gang Of Four reunion to look forward to this year. Are they planning on recording an album? Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:14:00 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's > Michael B. > > Robert Vickers and Lindy Morrison (ex-GB drummer), both > >post messages and answer questions on the Go-Betweens web site Mail > >Board. Lindy in particular responds quiet often. Rex: > What's Lindy up to these days? It's a shame she hasn't been involved > in the reunion projects, although Janet Weisz is brilliant (wildly > different player than Lindy was, though). Lindy ran for public office last year and made a decent showing concerning her minority party status, but lost. She does some gigs occasionally, sometimes with Amanda Brown (ex-GB violin,oboe,guitar,vocals). Lindy and Amanda were in a band together after the GB's broke up, it was called Cleopatra Wong, now defunct, but a couple of EP's were recorded. They are hard to find unless you try some Australian stores. Amanda backed-up R.E.M. about 8 years ago on tour. Lindy had some song royalty problems with Robert and Grant after the band broke up, so I don't think that we will ever see Lindy with Robert or Grant again. Some frayed feelings still linger. Plus Grant never got along with Lindy that well, and Lindy is Robert's ex, and Amanda is Grants ex and left Grant after the band broke up. The G-B's weren't called the antipodean Fleetwood Mac for no reason. The new players, Glenn Thompson on drums and Adele Pickvance on bass are pretty much hired hands. They don't draw a wage like Vickers, Lindy and Amanda did during the 80's, and they play simple backbeat patterns. Lindy used to be an integral part of the drum recording process, working days on end on each song and driving Grant and Robert nuts. When chosen by a producer to go with programmed drums, Lindy would do the programming. I still like hearing Robert and Grant, but the current band sounds almost hollow without Lindy's unique drumming and Amanda's haunting violin and oboe. The new album is supposed to rock out more, we shall she. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:25:31 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's > The new players, Glenn Thompson on drums and Adele Pickvance on bass are pretty > much hired hands. They don't draw a wage like Vickers, Lindy and Amanda did during > the 80's, and they play simple backbeat patterns. Adele's been around at least since the tour for Rachel Worth, though, right? They had no drummer when I saw them on that tour. >I still like hearing Robert and Grant, but the current band sounds > almost hollow without Lindy's unique drumming and Amanda's haunting violin and oboe. > The new album is supposed to rock out more, we shall she. There were plenty of pre-Amanda GB's tunes, and I tend to look at the new material as being more in that mold. I've actually really liked the reunion records, although they are somehow a little less addictive than the older stuff. I'm planning on revisiting them; when I moved I glanced at the track listings for both and was pleasantly surprised at how many songs I remembered, and remembered as quite good. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:46:15 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's Me: > > The new players, Glenn Thompson on drums and Adele > > Pickvance on bass are pretty > > much hired hands. They don't draw a wage like Vickers, > > Lindy and Amanda did during the 80's, and they play simple backbeat patterns. Rex: > Adele's been around at least since the tour for Rachel Worth, though, > right? They had no drummer when I saw them on that tour. Adele has been around since Rachel Worth. Before they hit North America in 2000, they toured Europe as a 4 piece with a German drummer that Robert used to play with in the 1990's when he lived in Germany. He didn't work out though, and they fired him before they hit NA and didn't hire a replacement. The actually wanted to hire Glenn originally, but he was engaged with another band. I read in Dave Nichols book about the G-B's that their label was ticked off that they toured NA without a drummer. How did they sound as a trio without drums? Did they play some acoustic guitars and bass, or all electric? I have some European 2000 tour boots as a 4 piece, they are all electric. I saw them in June of 1999 as a duo, and they played all acoustic guitars. > >I still like hearing Robert and Grant, but the current band sounds > > almost hollow without Lindy's unique drumming and Amanda's > haunting violin and oboe. > > The new album is supposed to rock out more, we shall she. > > There were plenty of pre-Amanda GB's tunes, and I tend to look at the > new material as being more in that mold. I've actually really liked > the reunion records, although they are somehow a little less addictive > than the older stuff. I'm planning on revisiting them; when I moved I > glanced at the track listings for both and was pleasantly surprised at > how many songs I remembered, and remembered as quite good. The pre-Amanda tunes had stronger drum parts on them though, as a very tight trio on Before Hollywood, and a quartet on Spring Hill Fair and Liberty Belle. I don't think that Robert and Grant have slipped much if any as songwriters, so you still get the songwriting quality on the reunion records. I like the reunion records more than Robert and Grant's solo albums, but I don't find them quiet as enduring as 16LL, Tallulah, Before Hollywood, Spring Hill Fair and Liberty Belle. I am just glad they are recording and touring together again. Michael B. NP They Might Be Giants - Lincoln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:57:40 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: FW: [Tallulah] Orange Juice frontman suffers brain haemmorhage - -----Original Message----- From: thomas gilmore [mailto:trgilmore@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:35 PM To: tallulah@discontent.com Subject: [Tallulah] Orange Juice frontman suffers brain haemmorhage Some of you may have heard, sad news ... 5pm Orange Juice frontman suffers brain haemmorhage Press Association Thursday February 24, 2005 Musician Edwyn Collins is seriously ill in hospital after suffering a brain haemorrhage, his management team said today. The singer and guitarist, who fronted 80s rock art combo Orange Juice before enjoying solo success with the hit A Girl Like You, was taken ill on Sunday. A statement from his management team said: "Edwyn Collins suffered a cerebral haemorrhage on Sunday night and has been in hospital since, where doctors are trying to stabilise his condition. As soon as we will have more information we will let you know." Collins, 45, who lives in London, was working as producer on the debut album from London blues-soul three-piece Little Barrie when he was taken ill. The artist was born in Edinburgh in 1959. In 1976, he formed the Nu-Sonics, which resurfaced three years later as Orange Juice. The band led the Glasgow neo-pop scene with songs like Rip It Up and earned a devoted cult following but little commercial success. Despite his trademark soulful baritone, the singer later struggled to launch a solo career and was signed briefly with Alan McGee's Elevation in 1986. After becoming a producer in the 1990s, Collins earned another shot as a performer when he signed with the small UK independent label Setanta. He then recorded his third solo effort, the album Gorgeous George, and its song, A Girl Like You, became a huge international hit in 1995. _______________________________________________ Tallulah mailing list Tallulah@discontent.com http://www.discontent.com/mailman/listinfo/tallulah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:10:16 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: news flash: a musician is paid like a regular employee! On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:25:04 -0600, Dolph Chaney wrote: > FINALLY!!! A record company gives a musician a salary! Maybe they'll even > give him *gasp* HEALTH BENEFITS!!! > > > > Choice excerpt -- > > Because of the multifaceted nature of the arrangement, Rundgren's deal is > not a standard record label contract mandating an advance for delivery of > an album and options on future releases. Instead, Rundgren will receive a > monthly minimum payment. Not to rain on Todd's parade, or minimize the Good Thing -ness of this - - but the fact that Rundgren is also essentially being hired to do production, promotion, and web-related work somewhat reduces the extent to which this is "a musician being paid a salary." Sadly, I think if all he did was make records, Sanctuary wouldn't have bothered. If I'm wrong, the label should be offering similar deals to its other acts... - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:58:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Eb Subject: Saw Paul Westerberg perform last night, for only the third time (including just one Replacements show, alas). I went with the illustrious Lawndart. It was a very, very odd show. No opening act. I wasn't sure whether PW was drunk or just plain "burnt out," but he was exasperatingly listless throughout most of the night. Lawndart pointed firmly to the "drunk" option, and said PW had wine stashed onstage -- I missed spotting that. Lawndart also said PW was seen getting plowed at the nearby Frolic Room, before the previous night's show. Uh oh. About the first 60% of the set was depressingly dismal, but things picked up around the time he revisited "I'll Be You" and seemed to be perked up by the crowd's singalong. The set was long, long, LONG -- almost two and a half hours. The longest I've seen since Badly Drawn Boy, a few years ago. The encore set alone must have been around 40 minutes. Several offbeat covers ("I Think I Love You," "Cherry Cherry," "It's All Over Now," "Bye Bye Johnny"...I think I'm forgetting a few), and several half-assed, slurred attempts at songs which broke down. A nice bounty of Replacements material, though -- along with "I'll Be You," the set included "Can't Hardly Wait," "Valentine," "Waitress in the Sky," "Someone Take the Wheel," "Little Mascara," "Alex Chilton," a deeply fucked-up "I Will Dare" which scarcely grew louder than a mumble and, most pleasing of all, "If Only You Were Lonely." The encore included a duet with walk-on Lucinda Williams which I *think* might have been "Sadly Beautiful" (?), but I haven't heard that song in awhile so I'm not sure. She didn't know the lyrics by heart, and was trying to read them off a ragged little square of paper with only partial success. I had the impression that not many people even recognized who she was. Another song was sung (poorly) by guest Terry Reid, whom I admittedly don't know much about. Westerberg touted him as the "greatest white British blues singer alive," or words to that effect. I don't know who's playing with Westerberg nowadays, beyond that same rotund black drummer who has also played with Prince. The guitarist was sort of a Brandon Cruz/Christopher Knight type, in a flashy fake-leopard-skin pantsuit. The bassist's suit was bright red. They didn't have much onstage chemistry with Westerberg, and that was an important reason why Westerberg's sloshiness came off more pathetic than "rock 'n' roll." We arrived about 15 minutes late (argh), but as the show stretched on and on and on, that missed time started to feel more like a blessing. I spent most of the show "roaming," but Lawndart wanted to stand way upfront. He ended up having hostile interactions with a few drunk guys around him who were talking too loudly, yelling out constant requests and being a pain. I had to inform him later that one of the men he was kvetching at was David Koechner, a former "Saturday Night Live" cast member circa the mid-'90s. I thought he had basically disappeared from showbiz, but the web tells me he was in "Anchorman," which ain't too shabby. He obviously was a big fan, because he was bouncing up and down the whole time and berzerkly screaming old-school requests like "Unsatisfied" and "Androgynous." Westerberg was noticing these guys repeatedly -- they were fairly disruptive. One memorable, bittersweet/funny exchange: One of them yelled out "TOMMY GETS HIS TONSILS OUT!" and Westerberg kinda smiled, shook his head ruefully and muttered "'Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out'...whew. Where were you when we needed you?" Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:14:50 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's > How did they sound as a trio without drums? Did they play some acoustic > guitars and bass, or all electric? I have some European 2000 tour boots as a 4 > piece, they are all electric. I saw them in June of 1999 as a duo, and they > played all acoustic guitars. They played acoustics, with electric bass. Essentially they sounded pretty much like they did on the 1999 tour, only with bass and the pleasant re-addition of female backing vocals. Also, they were not trying to have me killed or abducted from the stage, as they were in 1999, but that's another story. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:39:27 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: FW: FW: [Tallulah] Pitchfork News Item on the GB's On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:25:31 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: > There were plenty of pre-Amanda GB's tunes, and I tend to look at the > new material as being more in that mold. I've actually really liked > the reunion records, although they are somehow a little less addictive > than the older stuff. I'm planning on revisiting them; when I moved I > glanced at the track listings for both and was pleasantly surprised at > how many songs I remembered, and remembered as quite good. They're sneaky that way: I keep thinking I don't really know certain Go-Betweens records, and then I'll put them on and realize I remember almost all of the songs. Because they're not flashy, and because their lyrics are important whereas I take a long time to focus on lyrics, they don't jump out at me as being Songs I Remember. But obviously, since I remember them nearly in spite of myself, they're rather solidly constructed. Certainly, I enjoy *letting* them grow on me over time! - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:40:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Speaking of the guy I said should have died after 14 Songs.... From PitchforkMedia: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/05-02/25.shtml > Replacements Twin/Tone LPs to Be Reissued, Expanded; > Westerberg to Be Anthologized > Rob Kleckner reports: > Sooner or later, everyone gets anthologized. This > spring, Paul Westerberg is next. According to a > Billboard report, Rhino is issuing a 20-track set > compiling the best-of Westerberg's work since the > disbandment of the Replacements. The compilation will > include his hits, a couple of new tracks, as well as some > B-sides and other harder to come by material. Westerberg > also revealed that he has collaborated on a track with > former Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson. This cut > should appear on the soundtrack to Elizabethtown, Cameron > Crowe's next film. > > While a reunion is not in the works, several > Replacements albums are going to be reissued in the fall. > The first four albums, originally released on Twin Tone, How nice, especially after they were reissued a couple years back without bonus tracks but remastered.... > will be released by Rykodisc, complete with bonus tracks. > The band's later albums, first put out by Warner > Brothers, will come out on Rhino. > > In the meantime, Paul and His Only Friends (Kevin Bowe, > Michael Bland and Jim Bouquist) are in the middle of a > tour. Before it's too late: > > 02-25 Tempe, AZ - Marquee Theatre > 02-26 Anaheim, CA - House of Blues > 02-27 Solana Beach, CA - Belly Up Tavern > 03-03 Denver, CO - Ogden Theatre > 03-04 Kansas City, MO - Grand Emporium > 03-05 Columbia, MO - The Blue Note > 03-07 Dallas, TX - Gypsy Tea Room > 03-08 Austin, TX - La Zona Rosa > 03-10 New Orleans, LA - House of Blues > 03-11 Memphis, TN - New Daisy Theatre ===== "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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