From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #43 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 18 2005 Volume 14 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Veronica Mars [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Around the Suck [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: 20 years ago... [Rex Broome ] Re: 20 years ago... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Veronica Mars ["Nora B." ] Re. Minimalism ["Rich Gale" ] Re: 20 years ago... [Tom Clark ] Re: 20 years ago... [Rex Broome ] No Depression ["Marc Holden" ] RE: 20 years ago... ["Bachman, Michael" ] The Dreamies ["Marc Holden" ] Re: 20 years ago... [Eb ] Re: 20 years ago... [Tom Clark ] Re: Feb 15 in history/religion 101 [James Dignan ] Re: No Depression [Jeff ] MOJO "out there" list , for Eb ["Brian Hoare" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:46:01 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Veronica Mars Hallo Nora B., - --On 16. Februar 2005 21:51:08 Uhr -0800 "Nora B." wrote: > Sumiko Keay wrote: >> Anyone watch it? > > I watch and adore this show! I watch it too (BitTorrent be thanks), although I don't think it's as good as Buffy ... >> The guest playing "Mr. Rooks" bore a strong resemblence to Robyn. > > Oh he totally did! Great episode all around. Gotta love that > non-formulaic formula television I didn't like the episode that much. By now the VM formula has become apparent: Veronica is wrong initially, but gets it right eventually. The twist was admittedly unexpected, but what I dislike about the show is that there never seem to be real consequences for any of the main characters. Anyway, I'm obviously looking forward to next week's episode: Alyson Hannigan as Logan's sister! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:33:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Around the Suck - --On 3. Februar 2005 10:32:35 Uhr -0500 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > I wrote: >> ... spacey garagey psych-thrash like Jennifer Gentle's "I do dream you" > > and here it is: > > > You'll love it. Or not. I prefer R.E.M. ... The live show in Oberhausen was really great, much better than I had anticipated. It may have been the most rocking R.E.M. show I've ever seen. "I Took Your Name" off "Monster" was my personal highlight. I'll seem them again in June when they play an open-air show in Bonn. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:26:30 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: 20 years ago... Twenty years ago, my favorite 45 was, like, the theme music to Doctor Who. My favorite album was probably a Doctor Demento compilation. I only liked music related to Doctors, apparently. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: 20 years ago... Rex Broome wrote: > Twenty years ago, my favorite 45 was, like, the theme > music to Doctor Who. My favorite album was probably a > Doctor Demento compilation. I only liked music related > to Doctors, apparently. Does that mean you prefered the cover version of "Spirit in the Sky"? I know this girl gave me a copy of _Catching Up with Depeche Mode_ 20 years ago. But I'm not going to share the rest of that story.... ===== "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:57:09 -0800 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: Veronica Mars > > Sumiko Keay wrote: > >> Anyone watch it? > > > > I watch and adore this show! > > I watch it too (BitTorrent be thanks), although I don't think it's as good > as Buffy ... I would argue it's better than Buffy was at the same point (14 or 15 episodes in). But maybe that's because I find Veronica far cuter than Buffy. > >> The guest playing "Mr. Rooks" bore a strong resemblence to Robyn. > > > > Oh he totally did! Great episode all around. Gotta love that > > non-formulaic formula television > > I didn't like the episode that much. By now the VM formula has become > apparent: Veronica is wrong initially, but gets it right eventually. The > twist was admittedly unexpected, but what I dislike about the show is that > there never seem to be real consequences for any of the main characters. There are consequences but not drastic ones probablly owing to its mystery of the week formula. But they don't ignore what has happened before. For instance I thought it was nice that they touched on the reprucussions of Vernonica's using that cute young deputy to steal evidence a while back. > Anyway, I'm obviously looking forward to next week's episode: Alyson > Hannigan as Logan's sister! Indeed! That should be fun. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:06:16 -0800 From: "Rich Gale" Subject: Re. Minimalism >From: The Great Quail > > > Anyone else round these parts have a soft spot for minimalism? > >Well, I think my passion for Philip Glass has been the butt of a few >Eb-jokes, but you could say I have something considerably more than a soft >spot.... > I am a huge fan of Glass -- however way you look at him, he stands in class pretty much his own. Another minimalist of sorts i have a soft spot for is Arvo Part, especially his early work. I agree with Terry Riley's move into the New Age arena which does nothing for me, and i much prefer his early work. However, he is an extraordinary Indian vocalist (being a long time student of late Pandit Pran Nath). Every so often i am invited to see Riley perform classical Indian kirtan at private house concerts in teh Bay Area -- once with other Pran Nath students LeMonte Young and jazz saxist George Brooks from Summit (an old friend who lived with me in New Delhi for short while he researched sitar making for an article in Smithsonian magazine). "In C" still seems to be influential -- Acid Mother Temple and Birdsongs of the Mesozoic have performed it live in recent years. nur ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:30:07 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: 20 years ago... On Feb 17, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Rex Broome wrote: > Twenty years ago, my favorite 45 was, like, the theme music to Doctor > Who. My favorite album was probably a Doctor Demento compilation. I > only liked music related to Doctors, apparently. > Like Thompson Twins' "Doctor Doctor" and Devo's "Theme From Doctor Detroit"? ooooh oooh, how about Graham Parker's "Lady Doctor"? She give the cure for free! here we go... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:13:10 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: 20 years ago... Tom C: > Like Thompson Twins' "Doctor Doctor" and Devo's "Theme From Doctor > Detroit"? Wow, totally forgot about that one. What about Prince's keyboard player from approximately that era... didn't he wear a lab coat that said "DR" on it or something? Big dorky white guy (possibly even faggy)? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:41:02 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: No Depression >Not sure if this is already known because I only get the fegdigests, but >there is a Robyn interview and a transcription of 'Television' in the >latest >(March 2005) issue of 'Acoustic Guitar' magazine: I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, but Robyn was also featured in an article/interview in the Nov/Dec issue of No Depression magazine (#54). I didn't know about it until a friend who works at Borders gave me the issue a couple of weeks ago. The article runs across 9 pages including a few photos of Robyn in Seattle in September 2004 (some of the poorer photos of him I've seen printed). The article is a bit of a career overview focusing in on Spooked. Gillian Welch and David Rawlings are both interviewed as well as Robyn. Here's a brief excerpt from it: Nor were the Soft Boys champing at the bit to become NME cover boys. "I was always leery about being famous, as I was with taking psychedelics; I could see what it did to people," says Hitchcock. Having come from a middle-class background, he wasn't particularly motivated by money, either. "All I wanted to do was write good songs, because other people I admired did that. So the 17-year-old Robyn said, 'Go forth and become a songwriter, older Robyn,' and it set me on my way." I also came across a Hitchcock quote this week in the book "Rhino's Psychedelic Trip". In a glossary of "Hip Lingo of the Psychedelic Era", it says: Split. As Robyn Hitchcock put it on his Moss Elixir Album, "It's a quaint old-fashioned way to leave the room." With any luck, I'll be seeing Robyn four times in March. I have reservations for all three nights at the Largo (March 8-10th), now I just need to juggle my work schedule a bit. At this point, we still have some extra space on these--we booked two tables of four for each night. Contact me if you need a spot. The Hotel Congress show (Tucson March 13th) should be a lot easier to work out, being on a Sunday and only 90 minutes down the road from here. If any of you travelin' Fegs are feeling up for a show, let me know if you could use a place to crash in the Phoenix area. Later, Marc "A man isn't poor if he can still laugh." Raymond Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:35:13 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: 20 years ago... > -----Original Message----- > From: Rex Broome [mailto:rexbroome@gmail.com] > Tom C: > > Like Thompson Twins' "Doctor Doctor" and Devo's "Theme From Doctor > > Detroit"? > > Wow, totally forgot about that one. > > What about Prince's keyboard player from approximately that era... > didn't he wear a lab coat that said "DR" on it or something? Big > dorky white guy (possibly even faggy)? Wasn't he Doctor Fink? He sure disappeared after that band broke up. Wendy and Lisa from that Prince era band had some mild success post Prince. Their 1990 album Eroica is worth checking out. Michael B. "All the doctors in Hot Springs sure can't help you none" Robert Johnson 1937 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:45:52 -0500 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: 20 years ago... On Thursday, February 17, 2005, at 02:13 PM, Rex Broome wrote: > > > What about Prince's keyboard player from approximately that era... > didn't he wear a lab coat that said "DR" on it or something? Big > dorky white guy (possibly even faggy)? > That's Doctor Fink, man. Don't mess. Jon Lewis (Who's been on another Prince jag lately, egged on partially by Michelangelo Matos' wonderful book in the 33 1/3 series.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:22:02 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: The Dreamies Eb asked: >Do you (or anyone else) have any thoughts on these obscure albums? >Recently appeared amidst a MOJO list of the all-time most "out there" >records. >Dreamies - Auralgraphic Entertainment As I have raved here at least once or twice, it is one of my favorites. A friend had told me to keep an eye open for it when we were working record conventions back in the early '80's. I finally heard a cassette of it a few years later, but it took a long time to track down a copy of the album. It has been reissued on vinyl and CD, so it's a lot easier to find now. Very trippy, kind of a Revolution #9 without the paranoia (but be warned, I liked Revolution #9, too). Later, Marc I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed psychiatrist is our "friend." Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:42:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: 20 years ago... >> What about Prince's keyboard player from approximately that era... >> didn't he wear a lab coat that said "DR" on it or something? Big >> dorky white guy (possibly even faggy)? > > Wasn't he Doctor Fink? He sure disappeared after that band broke up. > Wendy and Lisa from that Prince era band had some mild success post > Prince. > Their 1990 album Eroica is worth checking out. I was going to give you good people a list of "Doctor" and "Dr." songs from my database, but the list turned out to be too long (about 50 items) to be worth the trouble. I will say this: It never occured to me until now that the Who have *three* different "Doctor" songs. Woo. This goddamn rain. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:49:49 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: 20 years ago... On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Wendy and Lisa from that Prince era band had some mild success post > Prince. > Their 1990 album Eroica is worth checking out. > They're actually a fairly successful film & tv scoring duo now. Avoid wendyand lisa.com, it's hideously unusable. - -tc, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:39:31 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Feb 15 in history/religion 101 At 05:21 AM 2/16/2005, Matt Sewell wrote: >Anyone else round these parts have a soft spot for minimalism? is this Quail-bait? Glass is a favourite of mine, as is Harold Budd. Also have a smattering of Nyman, Reich, Riley, Brook, Brian's brother Roger Eno (of course), Adams, Bryars... > >> Anyone know what the deal with cross-burning is, if the KKK's goal is > >> protecting Christianity? > >Let's see...because it's kind of terrifying? It's connected in some way with the novels of Sir Walter Scott, but beyond that... anyone here know much about Scott's work? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:35:23 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: No Depression On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Marc Holden wrote (quoting a magazine article on Robyn Hitchcock): > Having come from a middle-class background, he wasn't particularly > motivated by money, either. [snip] > "A man isn't poor if he can still laugh." Raymond Hitchcock I guess that's fucking easy for him to say, eh? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:06:41 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: No Depression On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:35:23 -0800 (PST), Capuchin wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Marc Holden wrote (quoting a magazine article on > Robyn Hitchcock): > > "A man isn't poor if he can still laugh." Raymond Hitchcock > > I guess that's fucking easy for him to say, eh Being dead and all. It takes a lot to laugh, it takes a bloated rotting corpse to cry? - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:27:42 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: MOJO "out there" list , for Eb Eb, >Do you (or anyone else) have any thoughts on these obscure albums? Recently >appeared amidst a MOJO list of the all-time most "out there" records. I assume that you do not frequent alt.music.progressive and that you are not "gondola bob" who posted a similar request there. I don't know any of these, in face the Fischer and CA Quintet are the only ones I knew existed. This is nicked from Cabeza Borradora's response, it doesn't cover all of what you were after but... " As it happens, I did check out a couple of the ones I didn't know, and wrote up little capsule reviews of them: >49. Basil Kirchin - Quantum Basil Kirchin was apparently a pioneer in taking sounds from life and making electronic collages out of them. I guess it's nice that he put that much work into it, but the results don't really sound very good. It's a bunch of weird noises strung together, and as appealing that might sound on first blush, not having any melody means it doesn't get much of anywhere. >44. AR & Machines - Echo Spaced-out Ash Ra or early Tangerine Dream style Kraut, although with more diversity to it than the latter. When it comes to this type of thing, I prefer Walter Wegmuller's "Tarot", but it's perfectly servicable. I couldn't really think of anything more to say about this, so I looked it up on the web. Julian Cope has a review of it. It's, as is usual for him, unreadable nonsense. >43. Wiliam S Fischer - Circles Yes, this is a genre-skipping record, but all of the genres are done _badly_. There's lousy moog improvisations, lousy straightforward rock, lousy jazz fusion.. there's all kinds of lousy here. >37. Dreamies - Auralgraphic Entertainment Kind of reminiscent of Brainticket's "Cottonwoodhill". Dark folky stuff with samples from political speeches, TV news, etc. and lots of Moog. Doesn't grab me, personally- could again use more melody. Maybe if I could make out the lyrics it would mean more to me, and it sounds better if you crank it (even though I think there's been a CD issue, the version I got is mastered from vinyl at a fairly low level). >35. Ca Quintet - Trip Thru Hell This is moody sub-Amon Duul II psych, down to having a cover similar to their first couple records. Sometimes they sound like a second-rate Comus, too. Anyway, the album is good and trippy, but there are about a hundred other records out there that sound more or less like this. I really wish the Calico Wall (who hailed from the same area) had put out more than just that one single, as I have a feeling it would've turned out better than this. >33. The Stark Reality - ...Discover's Hoagy Carmichael's Music Shop Here we have a children's record where someone will sing something presumably of interest to children for about thirty seconds and then go off on eight minutes of fuzzed out _Emergency!_ or Soft Machine-style jams. This is not bad listening, but it doesn't strike me as anything hugely special to make children's music that has strong appeal to adults- I mean, there's the Numbers song from Sesame Street and all that. I suspect most kids would find the extended jamming somewhat boring, unless it accompanied film of animals at the zoo or something, then they might put up with it. Anyway, the weirdest children's albums I know of are _still_ Bruce Haack's. BTW, this is a 90 minute double album, and has stuff that's not on the cut-down CD "Now", which also includes what are I take to be some fairly dire tracks that are not on this album. On the minus side, "All You Need To Make Music" is longer here, with the length taken by a drum solo. >17. Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow Noise-rock comparable to Wolf Eyes or Les Rallizes Denudes, maybe some Acid Mothers Temple as well. Not my bag. ... I don't really recommend any of the albums above, but if you were going to check any of them out, the Stark Reality, AR and Machines, and the CA Quintet are not bad. Not mind-blowingly great, but not bad, either. " - - from the same thread, different poster. " >36. Cybotron - Cyber Ghetto IIRC, Cybotron were an Australian spacey synth duo around in the mid 70s. However, that title doesn't ring a bell, so maybe there were was more than one band. " I don't think any of these impressions will cause you to spend cash. Brian. np A collection of Peter Cook sketches. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #43 *******************************