From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #40 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 14 2005 Volume 14 : Number 040 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: fegmaniax-digest V14 #36 ["Brian Hoare" ] "This goddamn rain"...? ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Lemon Jelly [James Dignan ] Re: NEW on EZT: Robyn Hitchcock October 1990 Demos and Rough Sketches ["M] Re: NEW on EZT: Robyn Hitchcock October 1990 Demos and Rough Sketches [Aa] Just found this on the Web [Eb ] robyn tribute/unhatched crablings? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Just found this on the Web [Jeff ] Re: [pa] reign of stats [Jeff ] Re: Just found this on the Web [Eb ] "Language is a Virus from Outer Space" ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Fox claims they aren't killing Arrested Development [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: "Language is a Virus from Outer Space" [Jeff ] RE: Religion 101 ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: Religion 101 [Eb ] Re: Religion 101 [Jeff ] Re: reap ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Just found this on the Web [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:39:49 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V14 #36 >From: MPys2626@aol.com >Subject: Re: Subject: REW > >BTW - Bible Of Bop >revisited, remastered and expanded -hopefully- to be released this year. I'll look out for it. I don't know any of his older material or how it might compare to the last couple of releases. >Brian, if you can light a fire under Kim and Lee to devise some Kimgigs >...well, *I'd* be your best friend! Well the last time I tried was around october 2003 and Lee was pretty certain that Kim couldn't be doing any solo shows (but she did predict a follow up to GCR which we now have). From Lee's web site it seems that Kim gigs with her band and that they both play in an R&B band "Jack" - both in the Cambridge area. I'd much rather attend a show of Kim singing and playing just his own material, but I suspect that he feels happier not being centre stage. cheers, Brian np Rush, Farewell To Kings - It's about time I formed an opinion on this lot. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:13:04 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: "This goddamn rain"...? Wha...? Aren't you in S. Ca? You should try it here - hoofs down in stair rods at least 3 times a week! Cheers Matt >From: Eb >This goddamn rain. This goddamn rain. > >Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:42:19 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Lemon Jelly >now playing: Lemon Jelly - '68 aka Only Time >(yes, James, there's a new Lemon Jelly CD out. It's called '64-'95. Its >packaging isn't as groovy as the last ones. The content, however, is.) :) Actually I knew that - it was "Album of the week" on our student radio station last week. Sounds like a goody to me. There was a little added hype down this way about the fact that a NZ hit of the 60s which almost everyone thought was - or at least should have been - - completely unknown outside this part of the world is one of the tracks sampled (John Rowles' "If I only had time"). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:32:48 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: NEW on EZT: Robyn Hitchcock October 1990 Demos and Rough Sketches Faggiest? Do you mean homosexual, or pertaining to cigarettes... or for that matter schoolboy slavery? Cheers Matt >From: "Lauren Elizabeth" > >An added bonus - I can now hear 'Dark Green Energy' without thinking >it's the >faggiest song ever recorded. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:15:37 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: NEW on EZT: Robyn Hitchcock October 1990 Demos and Rough Sketches On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Lauren wrote: > In the case of the "Dark Green Energy" single, I admit that for me, the > 'faggy' nature of the song does contribute to a certain negative feeling > I've always had about the song, but I in no way feel or meant to imply > that negativity is a conclusion in the use of the word. I actually > meant it to be descriptive. You and I are on different planets if you don't think "faggy" is a negative word, I guess. Language is malleable and words get reclaimed all the time AND we're among friends here, so I don't mean to get bent out of shape or anything. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:40:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Just found this on the Web Usually, someone forwards the Best of 2004 poll from the pop-nerd Audities list...no one did, this year. Last year, it seems like I was pleasantly pleased that the results were a bit broader in scope, but this time, the list is loaded with sappy power-pop no-names again. Unless I miscounted, this list has only 15 (asterisked) names in common with the top 50 of the Pazz & Jop.... They even skipped a few obvious "pop heroes" who released good albums. Sam Phillips, Rufus Wainwright, Ken Stringfellow...? Eb *1. Brian Wilson - Presents Smile (1119) *2. Franz Ferdinand -Franz Ferdinand (591) 3. Eugene Edwards - My Favorite Revolution (587) *4. Green Day -American Idiot (541) 5. Cliff Hillis -Better Living Through Compression (474) 6. The Finn Brothers -Everyone Is Here (411) 7. Lolas -Something You Oughta Know (359) 8. Tears For Fears - Everybody Loves a Happy Ending (339) *9. AC Newman -Slow Wonder (327) 10. Dogs Die In Hot Cars -Please Describe Yourself (302) 11. Keane -Hopes & Fears (277) 12. Candy Butchers -Hang on Mike (272) 13. The Rosenbergs -Department School Girl (265) *14. Nellie McKay -Get Away From Me (225) 15. Chris Stamey -Travels in the South (212) 16. Michael Carpenter -Rolling Ball (210) 17. Adam Marsland -You Don't Own Me (209) 18. Todd Rundgren -Liars (206) 19. Spymob -Sitting Around Keeping Score (203) *20. Elliot Smith -from a basement on the hill (195) *21. Wilco (187) 22. (tie) *The Arcade Fire (Funeral) (185) *The Killers (Hot Fuss ) *Ted Leo + Pharmacists *25. Loretta Lynn (184) 26. Divine Comedy (181) 27. David Grahame (177) 28. Jellybricks (174) *29. The Futureheads (173) 30. The Well Wishers (168) 31. John Hoskinson (167) 32. Eytan Mirsky (158) 33. Matthew Sweet (155) 34. Velvet Crush (152) 35. Dungen (141) *36. U2 (136) 37. (tie) Bronco Bullfrog (132) Trash Can Sinatras *39. Scissor Sisters (129) 40. (tie) *The Streets (126) Silver Sun (126) 42. Seth Swirsky (125) 43. Jamie Hoover & Bill Lloyd (120) 44. Farrah (116) 45. Guided By Voices (115) 46. (tie) The Argument (110) Elvis Costello & The Imposters 48. Jill Sobule (108) 49. (tie) Fastball (105) Butch Walker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: robyn tribute/unhatched crablings? Those nifty 1990 demos have got me wondering... First of all, I never heard these "Unhatched Crablings" things which seem to have circulated before the era of easy online tape-trading. Are these around? Are they mostly songs that have ended up getting released elsewhere? Second, is there a nice clean copy of Colin Meloy's RH-tribute songs somewhere? I have mp3s encoded from video files, but they sound awfully rattly (since the video's audio track was already compressed a lot before I got my hands on it). Feelin' acquisitive, aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:13:43 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Just found this on the Web On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:40:17 -0800, Eb wrote: > Usually, someone forwards the Best of 2004 poll from the pop-nerd > Audities list...no one did, this year. > > Last year, it seems like I was pleasantly pleased that the results were > a bit broader in scope, but this time, the list is loaded with sappy > power-pop no-names again. Unless I miscounted, this list has only 15 > (asterisked) names in common with the top 50 of the Pazz & Jop.... And god forbid that the world deviate from the P&J. I know that's not what you're saying, but I think it'd be a lot more disappointing if a specialized list (like Audities) didn't differ from a broadly generalized (by virtue of the number and range of its contributors) list like P&J. > > They even skipped a few obvious "pop heroes" who released good albums. > Sam Phillips, Rufus Wainwright, Ken Stringfellow...? That is surprising - but that - and some of the less-obvious names on the list - mean to me that it's not as narrowcast as you're describing it. I mean, Franz Ferdinand topped lots of lists...but they're not really power-pop, at least not to my ears. Further down, you've got things like Nellie McKay (kinda all over the place), whatever Todd Rundgren's doing these days (who knew he even had an album out? not me), or Loretta Lynn, or Dungen (who are not, as I had initially assumed, a band of spelling-challenged metallers). This leads me to believe that not all of the folks I haven't heard of are bands that believe nothing good happened after _Radio City_ and that life peaked in high school. List appended for reference: > *1. Brian Wilson - Presents Smile (1119) > *2. Franz Ferdinand -Franz Ferdinand (591) > 3. Eugene Edwards - My Favorite Revolution (587) > *4. Green Day -American Idiot (541) > 5. Cliff Hillis -Better Living Through Compression (474) > 6. The Finn Brothers -Everyone Is Here (411) > 7. Lolas -Something You Oughta Know (359) > 8. Tears For Fears - Everybody Loves a Happy Ending (339) > *9. AC Newman -Slow Wonder (327) > 10. Dogs Die In Hot Cars -Please Describe Yourself (302) > 11. Keane -Hopes & Fears (277) > 12. Candy Butchers -Hang on Mike (272) > 13. The Rosenbergs -Department School Girl (265) > *14. Nellie McKay -Get Away From Me (225) > 15. Chris Stamey -Travels in the South (212) > 16. Michael Carpenter -Rolling Ball (210) > 17. Adam Marsland -You Don't Own Me (209) > 18. Todd Rundgren -Liars (206) > 19. Spymob -Sitting Around Keeping Score (203) > *20. Elliot Smith -from a basement on the hill (195) > *21. Wilco (187) > 22. (tie) *The Arcade Fire (Funeral) (185) > *The Killers (Hot Fuss ) > *Ted Leo + Pharmacists > *25. Loretta Lynn (184) > 26. Divine Comedy (181) > 27. David Grahame (177) > 28. Jellybricks (174) > *29. The Futureheads (173) > 30. The Well Wishers (168) > 31. John Hoskinson (167) > 32. Eytan Mirsky (158) > 33. Matthew Sweet (155) > 34. Velvet Crush (152) > 35. Dungen (141) > *36. U2 (136) > 37. (tie) Bronco Bullfrog (132) Trash Can Sinatras > *39. Scissor Sisters (129) > 40. (tie) *The Streets (126) Silver Sun (126) > 42. Seth Swirsky (125) > 43. Jamie Hoover & Bill Lloyd (120) > 44. Farrah (116) > 45. Guided By Voices (115) > 46. (tie) The Argument (110) Elvis Costello & The Imposters > 48. Jill Sobule (108) > 49. (tie) Fastball (105) Butch Walker - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:36 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [pa] reign of stats On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:38:46 -0500 (EST), dmw wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, dmw wrote: > > > > > > Also: I thought "Nigel & the Crosses" was mostly Robyn and Peter Buck - anyone? > > > > yah, but the same disc has richard thompson with gregson & > > collister. actually appearing ont he same track? dunno. > > er, dunno "of any" It seems to me that, stylistically, they'd have a lot in common - and I think hearing them both play guitar (Hitchcock's quite an underrated guitar player, I think - not quite in RT's league, but who is?) would be really cool. It's kinda mysterious that it's (apparently) never happened - perhaps they despise one another or sumpin... - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:51:42 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Just found this on the Web > I mean, Franz Ferdinand topped lots of lists...but they're not > really power-pop, at least not to my ears. Further down, you've got > things like Nellie McKay (kinda all over the place), whatever Todd > Rundgren's doing these days (who knew he even had an album out? not > me), or Loretta Lynn, or Dungen (who are not, as I had initially > assumed, a band of spelling-challenged metallers). You think picking a Todd Rundgren disc goes against the pop-cult ethic? > This leads me to > believe that not all of the folks I haven't heard of are bands that > believe nothing good happened after _Radio City_ and that life peaked > in high school. I'm sure you would be disappointed at what you'd find, if you researched those folks further. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:47:15 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: "Language is a Virus from Outer Space" Aaron says : >You and I are on different planets if you don't think "faggy" is a >negative word, I guess. Language is malleable and words get reclaimed all >the time AND we're among friends here, so I don't mean to get bent out of >shape or anything. Thanks for your response. I do realize that any more explanation on my part will just dig the hole deeper, but hell if I'll avoid explaining myself! It has occurred to me to wonder why it seems okay for homosexuals to say 'faggy' but not okay for me to say it. Or, not speaking for all homosexuals, I *can* say that it doesn't bother my best friend (yeah, best friend, I said it...sorry, it's true!) if I use the term, and that he will occasionally use it himself. I do use the term with the knowledge that it is a kind of juvenile, but I honestly don't know a good synonym in this case. Perhaps I should have said 'gay', but I don't know that that is any more PC. On to the big questions... This kind of stuff actually interests me in the sense that I find it strange that the point of civilization or at least education seems to be to teach children up to adults to categorize, classify, and draw finer and finer distinctions, but at the same time, at least here in the U.S., more and more, folks get up in arms by use of language that categorizes things in any kind of way that is not fashionable. Of course, there absolutely *is* racism, and sexism, but there are also true distinctions between cultures, and between sexes, and to pretend they don't exist seems at the least like it's denying all that socialization. Language itself seems streamlined to accommodate the process of categorization which is not that far from stereotyping. Language loves a world of opposites. I think that's why Buddhists and AA members shut the hell. Nietzsche seemed to get at this really well - I like his comment that was something to effect that we will not get rid of God until we get rid of language. A funny story (IMO) sort of related to this topic was said best friend works at a local university and a new employee started; my friend works in benefits and so had to categorize the employee, who was from Nigeria, on all the standardized forms that are necessary for health insurance, disability, etc. My friend chose 'Other' for which he was chastised by his boss...his boss told him he should have put "African American". My friend pointed out that the employee was "African" and not "African American" but this was pretty much lost on his boss. At any rate, I do appreciate your response, and hopefully I'll contribute to the list enough that you'll realize that I'm not an insensitive ass. A plain old ass, okay, I'll concede that... xo Lauren - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hate all music. Except 'Roadrunner' by The Modern Lovers." - John Lydon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:09:34 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: best headline ever? "Actor Tom Sizemore Fails Drug Test with Fake Penis" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Fox claims they aren't killing Arrested Development as it sees the trees _Andy Richter Controls the Universe,_ _Futurama,_ and _The Tick_ hanged from.... ===== "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: [pa] reign of stats Jeff wrote: > It seems to me that, stylistically, they'd have a lot in > common - and I think hearing them both play guitar > (Hitchcock's quite an underrated guitar player, I think > - not quite in RT's league, but who is?) would be really > cool. It's kinda mysterious that it's (apparently) never > happened - perhaps they despise one another or sumpin... It's probably not that -- Robyn's played "Withered and Died" and ... From: E. McCaleb: Hello.... Wondering if you are as big a fan of Robyn as he appears to be of you (Lots of covers of your songs). To my mind, you and he are two of the best songwriters around these days. Have you ever played w/ Mr. Hitchcock? Heard is recently released "Spooked" w/ G. Welch and D. Rawlings? Any comments? All the best! [RT's Answer]: I havent yet heard the thing with Gillian Welch...but Mr. Hitchcock is a great artist. Perhaps there is some common ground there... ===== "I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the deja vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here [during apartheid]: vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view." -- Desmond Tutu __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:39:34 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: "Language is a Virus from Outer Space" On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:47:15 -0500, Lauren Elizabeth wrote: > has occurred to me to wonder why it seems okay for homosexuals to say > 'faggy' but not okay for me to say it. Well, the meaning of language *does* change depending who's saying it. That may or may not be "fair" or "reasonable" or anything else - but it's certainly true. The example might be clarified if, for example, you imagine that a gay man had joined the list the very day you sent that post. He wouldn't know you at all - and might well assume that using "faggy" as a negative term reflected, on your part, negative attitudes toward gay men. (And it's pretty hard to come up with a usage of "faggy" in the way you used it that doesn't somehow come back to *someone's* - if not yours - negative attitude toward gay men.) However, if instead, someone else had posted, and in the course of the post made clear that he himself was a gay man, and then he used the word "faggy" - people might still object (just as plenty of blacks object to blacks using the word "nigger" amongst themselves) but it would be clear that he was not using the term to denigrate gay men. And that, sadly, wouldn't have been true with your usage, no matter how nice you'd seemed up to that point ;) As for synonyms: well, once you think of them, you realize the negativity *of* the term "faggy." I'm not sure exactly what you meant but..."wimpy" "flaccid" "weak" "floofy" "flowery" are a handful that come to mind, as being typical of what people mean by the word "faggy." Part of the problem, I guess, is that it's not clear exactly what you meant by "faggy." > This kind of stuff actually interests me in the sense that I find it strange > that the point of civilization or at least education seems to be to teach > children up to adults to categorize, classify, and draw finer and finer > distinctions, but at the same time, at least here in the U.S., more and > more, folks get up in arms by use of language that categorizes things in any > kind of way that is not fashionable. Of course, there absolutely *is* > racism, and sexism, but there are also true distinctions between cultures, > and between sexes, and to pretend they don't exist seems at the least like > it's denying all that socialization. I don't think it's the categorization that offends; it's the negativity. You'd have to work hard to construct a sentence in which "faggy" describes something positively, and does so in terms of evoking general ideas of gay men, *and* that isn't doing both of those things solely through contextual irony. > Language itself seems streamlined to accommodate the process of > categorization which is not that far from stereotyping. Oh, absolutely: language generalizes. "Tree" is not any particular tree, and no particular "tree" encompasses everything we think of with "tree." But (as Jonathan Swift pointed out first, I believe) if we had to be utterly specific about everything (and carried objects around, instead of using words which are too general), we couldn't communicate at all. > A funny story (IMO) sort of related to this topic was said best friend works > at a local university and a new employee started; my friend works in > benefits and so had to categorize the employee, who was from Nigeria, on all > the standardized forms that are necessary for health insurance, disability, > etc. My friend chose 'Other' for which he was chastised by his boss...his > boss told him he should have put "African American". My friend pointed out > that the employee was "African" and not "African American" but this was > pretty much lost on his boss. See, this is a case where...people can define who they are (uh-oh - it's that "Jewish" conversation/argument of a month or two back), and if this person preferred "other" to "black" or "African" or anything else, that's his prerogative. One generally unthought-of problem with adopting "African-American" as a default signifier is its inadvertent nationalism: what do we call a person of African descent born in Toronto who's lived there all his life? Maybe I'm wrong and this is typical Canadian usage, but..."African-Canadian" sounds awkward to me. I had a student who preferred simply using "African" rather than "African-American" - her right...although of course her world would seem strikingly American to most actual Africans. Again, though: her choice. > At any rate, I do appreciate your response, and hopefully I'll contribute to > the list enough that you'll realize that I'm not an insensitive ass. I read Aaron's remark as a gentle reminder that words do have power, and that casually throwing them around can be risky or unpleasant. And even people who aren't insensitive asses (which you don't seem to be) can occasionally behave with less than perfect sensitivity. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:44:11 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Fox claims they aren't killing Arrested Development On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:29:34 -0800 (PST), Jeff Dwarf wrote: > as it sees the trees _Andy Richter Controls the Universe,_ > _Futurama,_ and _The Tick_ hanged from Well, it didn't kill _Futurama_ outright you know - it just slowly bled it to death over a couple of seasons, pre-empting it here, moving it there, delaying it the other place... Its final broadcast season was actually made up entirely of episodes produced for the previous season that weren't broadcast because of football games. I don't know why they bother to schedule anything at 6pm on Sunday - for most of the TV season, football takes over that slot. They should just do reruns there or something. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:00:56 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Religion 101 This is where I turn when I have a question about pretty much anything, so here goes. My ESL class (80% Asian) read an article about religion in America, and one of the students asked me why the KKK thinks of itself as an organization protecting Christianity. Does anyone know what biblical texts it refers back to to support its claims? I know that there is something somewhere about miscegenation, but where is it? Thanks, Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:12:36 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Religion 101 Jill Brand wrote: > This is where I turn when I have a question about pretty much anything, so > here goes. My ESL class (80% Asian) read an article about religion in > America, and one of the students asked me why the KKK thinks of itself as > an organization protecting Christianity. Does anyone know what biblical > texts it refers back to to support its claims? I know that there is > something somewhere about miscegenation, but where is it? They probably think they're protecting Christianity because they're anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish more than any of the racial things that the KKK normally is associated with. It was these postures that led the alliance of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (the second incarnation, after the first one kind of died off) with Methodist, Disciple of Christ and Baptists ministries around the country in the 20s, and in a lot of ways still hold today. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:17:42 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Religion 101 > This is where I turn when I have a question about pretty much > anything, so > here goes. My ESL class (80% Asian) read an article about religion in > America, and one of the students asked me why the KKK thinks of itself > as > an organization protecting Christianity. Does anyone know what > biblical > texts it refers back to to support its claims? I know that there is > something somewhere about miscegenation, but where is it? Religion is faggy. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:21:33 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Religion 101 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:00:56 -0500 (EST), Jill Brand wrote: > This is where I turn when I have a question about pretty much anything, so > here goes. My ESL class (80% Asian) read an article about religion in > America, and one of the students asked me why the KKK thinks of itself as > an organization protecting Christianity. Does anyone know what biblical > texts it refers back to to support its claims? I know that there is > something somewhere about miscegenation, but where is it? I''m not so sure there is any such biblical text - but it doesn't really matter. People will use what they believe in to support other things they believe in, whether their interpretations are legitimate or not. The smartass answer to your question is, sometimes religion allows people to be even more fucked-up than they are otherwise, because it offers them an extramoral justification for something that they might (triple-underline that) otherwise recognize as immoral. Or: they seek to justify their very worldly concerns (retaining a racist power structure) in otherworldly things, which puts them beyond rational argument. You know: "God said it, I believe it, that settles it." Religious belief as prophylactic against thinking that might otherwise undermine the foundations of their belief structures. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:37:51 -0800 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: reap Jeff reaps: > Louis Sutter, father of six NHL players I saw this also, and felt it a touch ironic that someone who had given so many decent and hard-working sons to the corrupt-as-fuck NHL passed during an ugly work stoppage. At any given time it seemed like there was 117 different Sutters on the ice around the league. "Hey, didja hear about Zeppo Sutter? Just got called up to the third line in Edmonton, eh!" Around here it was almost like Bill Wirtz was paying Mrs. Sutter directly for fresh employees. Michael "I only miss hockey a wee bit...OK, a lot!" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:27:03 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Just found this on the Web On Feb 14, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Eb wrote: > Usually, someone forwards the Best of 2004 poll from the pop-nerd > Audities list...no one did, this year. Sorry, to make up here's the LoudFans list - ________________________________ First of all, I got one ballot without a name on it, which turned out to be the (unweighted) most normal loudfan this year. At first I thought maybe it was *****, trying to sneak through, but nope, he's #5 on that list. If you voted for both Macha and John Vanderslice and would like to claim your rightful spot as the list's pre-eminent tastemaker and/or bandwagon-jumper, speak up. As always, the value of each vote has been increased by .01 as a tiebreaker, so a score of 22.08 means that eight people voted for Green Day, with a total of 22 points on those votes. Close race this year! Morrissey racked up an average of 4.16 points per vote received, meaning that the people who liked his record liked it a LOT. This isn't the highest ratio since I started running the poll (that would be Tori Amos in 2002 with 4.2 or the New Pornographers in 2001 with a terrifying 4.5). Anyway, without further ado... ALBUMS 1/ Brian Wilson - Smile (43.13 points) 2/ Ted Leo/Pharmacists - Shake The Sheets (38.15 points) 3/ A.C. Newman - The Slow Wonder (34.11 points) 4/ Wilco - A Ghost Is Born (28.11 points) 5/ Morrissey - You Are The Quarry (25.06 points) 6/ Magnetic Fields - i (24.1 points) 7/ Arcade Fire - Funeral (24.09 points) 8/ Interpol - Antics (23.08 points) 9/ Statuesque - Choir Above Fire Below (23.07 points) 10/ Green Day - American Idiot (22.08 points) 11/ Elliott Smith - From A Basement On The Hill (20.08 points) 12/ Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand (19.08 points) 13/ Bjork - Medulla (16.06 points) 14/ Shalini - Metal Corner (16.04 points) 15/ Chris Stamey - Travels In The South (15.07 points) 16/ Killers - Hot Fuss (15.04 points) 17/ Church - Forget Yourself (13.04 points) 18/ Robyn Hitchcock - Spooked (12.06 points) 19/ Delgados - Universal Audio (12.03 points) 20/ Mission Of Burma - ONoffON (11.05 points) 21/ Nellie McKay - Get Away From Me (11.04 points) 21/ Fiery Furnaces - Blueberry Boat (11.04 points) 21/ John Vanderslice - Cellar Door (11.04 points) 24/ Mountain Goats - We Shall All Be Healed (10.05 points) 25/ John Cale - HoboSapiens (10.03 points) 25/ Now It's Overhead - Fall Back Open (10.03 points) 27/ Beauty Pill - The Unsustainable Lifestyle (10.02 points) 27/ Amy X Neuburg - Residue (10.02 points) 29/ Steve Earle - The Revolution Starts Now (9.03 points) 29/ Tift Merritt - Tambourine (9.03 points) 31/ Modest Mouse - Good News For People Who Love Bad News (8.04 points) 31/ John Sharples - I Can Explain Everything (8.04 points) 33/ Guided By Voices - Half Smiles Of The Decomposed (7.04 points) 33/ Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Abattoir Blues / The Lyre Of Orpheus (7.04 points) 33/ Finn Brothers - Everyone Is Here (7.04 points) 36/ Dungen - Ta Det Lugnt (7.03 points) 36/ Camera Obscura - Underachievers Please Try Harder (7.03 points) 38/ Of Montreal - Satanic Panic In The Attic (7.02 points) 39/ Rilo Kiley - More Adventurous (6.03 points) 39/ Doug Gillard - Salamander (6.03 points) 41/ Dogs Die In Hot Cars - Please Describe Yourself (6.02 points) 41/ Dresden Dolls - Dresden Dolls (6.02 points) 41/ Grip Weeds - Giant On The Beach (6.02 points) 41/ Abra Moore - Everything Changed (6.02 points) 41/ Delays - Faded Seaside Glamour (6.02 points) 41/ Secret Machines - Now Here Is Nowhere (6.02 points) 47/ U2 - How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb (5.03 points) 47/ Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose (5.03 points) 47/ Camper Van Beethoven - New Roman Times (5.03 points) 47/ Keane - Hopes And Fears (5.03 points) 47/ Chris Stamey/Yo La Tengo - V.O.T.E. (5.03 points) 52/ Tanya Donelly - Whiskey Tango Ghosts (5.02 points) 52/ Paul Westerberg - Folker (5.02 points) 52/ Streets - A Grand Don't Come For Free (5.02 points) 52/ Tegan & Sara - So Jealous (5.02 points) 52/ Jonathan Richman - Not So Much To Be Loved As To Love (5.02 points) 52/ Velvet Crush - Stereo Blues (5.02 points) 52/ Snow Patrol - Final Straw (5.02 points) 52/ Drive By Truckers - The Dirty South (5.02 points) 52/ Xiu Xiu - Fabulous Muscles (5.02 points) 52/ Features - Exhibit A (5.02 points) 52/ Scissor Sisters - Scissor Sisters (5.02 points) Tied for 63rd with a single 5-point vote: Max Richter, Preston School Of Industry, Jill Sobule, Daryll-Ann, Ambulance LTD, David Byrne, DNA, Joanna Newsom 71/ Tom Waits - Real Gone (4.03 points) 72/ Juliana Hatfield - In Exile Deo (4.02 points) 72/ All Night Radio - Spirit Stereo Frequency (4.02 points) 72/ Olympic Hopefuls - The Fuses Refuse To Burn (4.02 points) 72/ Bill Lloyd - Back To Even (4.02 points) 72/ Saturday Looks Good To Me - Every Night (4.02 points) 72/ Luna - Rendezvous (4.02 points) 72/ Futureheads - The Futureheads (4.02 points) 72/ Elvis Costello - The Delivery Man (4.02 points) 72/ Aloha - Here Comes Everyone (4.02 points) 72/ Blue Nile - High (4.02 points) 72/ Neko Case - The Tigers Have Spoken (4.02 points) 72/ Rogue Wave - Out Of The Shadow (4.02 points) 72/ David Mead - Indiana (4.02 points) Tied for 85th with a single 4-point vote: Mark Lanegan, Soft Pink Truth, 50 Foot Wave, Diana Krall, Eyedea And Abilities, The Blow, Slow Jets, Sufjan Stevens, Chuck Prophet, Social Distortion, Men In Fur, Puffy, Marah, Trash Can Sinatras, Shoup/Makihara/Arnold, Mascott, Lori Carson, Uncle Devil Show, Robotnicka, Kate Jacobs, 105/ William Shatner - Has Been (3.02 points) 105/ Sam Phillips - A Boot & A Shoe (3.02 points) 105/ Minus 5 - In Rock (3.02 points) 105/ Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse (3.02 points) 105/ They Might Be Giants - The Spine (3.02 points) 105/ Add - Divider Why Are You Doing This? (3.02 points) 105/ Iron & Wine - Our Endless Numbered Days (3.02 points) 105/ Ron Sexsmith - Retriever (3.02 points) Tied for 113th with a single 3-point vote: Old 97's, Her Space Holiday, Devotchka, Low, Jason Falkner, Rick Springfield, Tim Lee, Matthew Sweet, Macha, Kathy Cashel, Owsley, Camera Obscura, Rheostatics, Eleni Mandell, Hint Hint, Real Tuesday Weld, Andrew, Hoodoo Gurus, Richard Youngs, Lansing-Dreiden, Engine Down, Statside, Rachael Yamagatta, Regina Lund, Rufus Wainwright, KD Lang, Saul Williams, Bauer, Portobella, Todd Rundgren, Jon Langford, Chemistry Set, Divine Comedy, Channels, Supercar, Jimmy Eat World, Mos Def 150/ Richard Shindell - Vuelta (2.02 points) Tied for 151st with a single 2-point vote: Hanson, Stereolab, Nightwish, Ian McLagam, Walkmen, Midlake, Pinback, Citizens Here And Abroad, Muffs, Augie March, Courtney Love, Collections Of Colonies Of Bees, Frangoise Hardy, Mirah, Minus The Bear, Kanye West, Vanessa Carlton, Saving Graces, From Bubblegum To Sky, Marion Brown, Rachel Goswell, Graham Smith, De La Soul, Guild League, Joel RL Phelps, Mary Lou Lord, Dave Gleason's Wasted Days, Stephen Duffy & The Lilac Time, Alanis Morissette, Mendoza Line, Frog Eyes, Blonde Redhead, Pedro The Lion, Smart Brown Handbag, El Olio Wolof, Kings Of Convenience, Robert Roth, Local H, Kinski, Grant Lee Phillips, Tom Barman & Guy van Neuten, Narissa And Katryna Nields, Swingout Sister, Ulysses, Furry Lewis, Starflyer 59, Bloodthirsty Lovers, Son House, Liars, Aberfeldy, Earlimart, Aimee Mann, Issa Bagayogo Tied for 204th with a single 1-point vote: Married Monk, On!Air!Library!, Ken Stringfellow, Lolas, Dolorean, Architecture In Helsinki, Polyphonic Spree, Hives, Air, Ryan Adams, Mattoid, Robert Pollard, Josh Rouse, Methods, Grand Drive, American Music Club, Tim Walters (et al), Rudy Trouve Sextet, Blondie, Devendra Banhart, Hem, Jim White, Embrace, Aveo, Pat Green, Jonatha Brooke, Bill Janovitz & Crown Victoria, cARRIE cRASH, Vines, Breather Resist, Chills, R.E.M., Hope Alane, Sunday Runners, Graham Parker, Ratatat, Smoosh, Leslie Woods & Dark Mountain Orchid, Destroyer, Katie Melua, Josh Lederman Y Los Diablos, Le Tigre, Tears For Fears, Martin Newell, R. Stevie Moore, Incubus, Har Mar Superstar, Action Action, K-OS, Roadside Graves, Jane Anchor, Pale, Penelope Houston, John Southworth - - Steve __________ We stretch out both of our arms Pass through the clouds, straight to the sky And even though we touched the Moon and Mars We still cannot touch the truth. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V14 #40 *******************************