From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V14 #27 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 2 2005 Volume 14 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: walking on egg shells ["Brian Nupp" ] Re: walking on egg shells [Rex Broome ] Re: walking on sunshine [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: walking on sunshine [Glen Uber ] Re: walking on sunshine [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: walking on sunshine [Eb ] Re: walking on sunshine [Eb ] Re: walking on sunshine [Eb ] Re: walking on sunshine [Rex Broome ] Re: walking on sunshine [Capuchin ] Re: walking on sunshine [Capuchin ] Re: walking on sunshine [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: walking on sunshine [Jeff ] Re: walking on sunshine [Eb ] Robyn @ Southpaw, Brooklyn, NYC 3/25 [MPys2626@aol.com] Re: walking on sunshine [Eb ] Re: Walking on... [James Dignan ] Re: walking on sunshine [Rex Broome ] Re: walking on sunshine [Capuchin ] Re: Walking on... [Capuchin ] Re: walking on sunshine [Tom Clark ] Re: walking on sunshine [Rex Broome ] Re: walking on sunshine [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: walking on sunshine [Capuchin ] Walking all over R.E.M. [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Sounds kinda Reznorish when I say it out loud... [John Barrington Jones <] Re: Around the Suck (was: Walking all over R.E.M.) [Rex Broome ] Re: walking on sunshine [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Around the Suck (was: Walking all over R.E.M.) [Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: walking on egg shells I used to think maybe you hate me Now I know that it's true... I'm walking on egg shells whoaoa... - -------------- I find Eb and Jeme's relationship funny. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:38:50 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: walking on egg shells Nuppy: > I find Eb and Jeme's relationship funny. It's really why we're all here. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:59:39 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Capuchin wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > Can you honestly listen to his entire catalog, Beatle and solo, and not > > find a bit of soul in it anywhere? > > No, I honestly can't listen to his entire catalog. After two or three > songs, I have to find the aural equivalent of a toothbrush. What Paul solo albums do you (and other list members) have? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:19:39 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On 2 Feb 2005, at 10:59, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > What Paul solo albums do you (and other list members) have? I have (and love) McCartney, Band On The Run, London Town, McCartney II, Tug Of War, Pipes Of Peace, Flowers In The Dirt & Tripping The Live Fantastic. McCartney is my fave solo album, while London Town is my favorite Wings album. I also have Red Rose Speedway, Wings At The Speed Of Sound and Wings Over America, but don't like any of them nearly as much as the above list. I thought Press To Play was a piece of shit and haven't really heard anything since TTLF. I was fortunate enough to see him in concert in 1990 and will admit that he's a marvelous showman. It's one of the 3 or 4 best concerts I've ever seen. Cheers! - -g- "Never waste a trip anywhere by coming home without beer." - --Russ Reynolds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Glen Uber wrote: > On 2 Feb 2005, at 10:59, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > What Paul solo albums do you (and other list members) have? > > I have (and love) McCartney, Band On The Run, London Town, McCartney > II, Tug Of War, Pipes Of Peace, Flowers In The Dirt & Tripping The Live > Fantastic. McCartney is my fave solo album, while London Town is my > favorite Wings album. > I also have Red Rose Speedway, Wings At The Speed Of Sound and Wings > Over America, but don't like any of them nearly as much as the above > list. I thought Press To Play was a piece of shit and haven't really > heard anything since TTLF. I have most of the catalog, either on LP or CD. Favorites are McCartney, Ram, Band on the Run, Tug of War, Off the Ground, but there's good stuff throughout. I have to say, I like Press to Play. Not what one would expect, but "Press" and "Stranglehold" are keepers. > I was fortunate enough to see him in concert in 1990 and will admit > that he's a marvelous showman. It's one of the 3 or 4 best concerts > I've ever seen. I saw him in 2002 and have to say, it wasn't that great. Maybe seeing anyone in a stadium is going to be less interesting than seeing someone in a theater or club, but he was so far away I might as well have been watching a video. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:28:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: walking on sunshine >> What Paul solo albums do you (and other list members) have? > > I have (and love) McCartney, Band On The Run, London Town, McCartney > II, Tug Of War, Pipes Of Peace, Flowers In The Dirt & Tripping The > Live Fantastic. McCartney is my fave solo album, while London Town is > my favorite Wings album. > > I also have Red Rose Speedway, Wings At The Speed Of Sound and Wings > Over America, but don't like any of them nearly as much as the above > list. I thought Press To Play was a piece of shit and haven't really > heard anything since TTLF. I have (in order of preference) Ram, Wings over America (the fifth album I ever owned, after getting four Beatles records to start), Wingspan, Flowers in the Dirt, Flaming Pie, McCartney, Unplugged, Driving Rain and Off the Ground. I've traded back copies of Venus & Mars, Wings at the Speed of Sound, Tug of War, Paul Is Live and the terminally overrated Band on the Run. I'm turned off by the trendy '70s-era production of the Wings records, even though the songs can be good (which is why I prefer the live album). I don't expect to find any further old McCartney albums which I want to own, but do wish I could hear a few more just for informational purposes, particularly Red Rose Speedway, Wild Life and McCartney II. Can't recall whether I've heard London Town or not, though I still have a "With a Little Luck" 45 which I bought when it was new. I can remember young-and-innocent me being mildly startled that the song's chorus used the word "damn." Ooooh, naughty Paul! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:35:06 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: walking on sunshine >>> "Escapist" might color that with, oh, a slower, moody countermelody >>> in the cellos. >>> "Can't Get There from Here," as someone pointed out, is a bit more >>> nervous: the syncopation jitterishly avoids the downbeat; the horns >>> are lower, murkier, blattier; and the melody line, dipping as it >>> does to the bottom of Stipe's range in a nearly comical manner, >>> sounds like someone trying to reassure you (and himself) that, uh, >>> he's been there and knows the way. But we doubt it. >> >> And you would describe that ambience as "escapist"?? You sure define >> the word in a curious way. > > Oddly, I wrote my reply before reading Jeffrey's description and found > them similar. There's a brightness and enthusiasm, but it's tinged > with the darker, less hopeful undercurrent. So maybe your definition > is the more curious. "Escapism" is about light daydream and fantasy. "Yellow Submarine" is escapist. A song with as much darkness (see above) as "Can't Get There from Here" isn't. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:36:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: walking on sunshine >> Then, what are your favorite TV shows? > > I only watch a few things and that's really only based on what I > download or borrow from the video store. The only things I'm actively > following are Arrested Development, The Sopranos and Six Feet Under. > I also watch SeaLab 2021 when I run across an episode, but that > doesn't really count. > > Now isn't that fascinating? > A lot more fascinating than your tedious, self-righteous broadswipes at corporate evils. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:46:24 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: walking on sunshine > "Escapism" is about light daydream and fantasy. "Yellow Submarine" is > escapist. A song with as much darkness (see above) as "Can't Get There > from Here" isn't. Good God, y'all, this is just weird semantic crosstalk, as opposed to, say, rocket science. The guy *in* the song is longing for escape, inspiration, and he knows where he wants to go (Philomath) but can't get there. So in that sense, within the song, it's all about escapism. The experience of *listening* to the song is less of an escapist activity, because it's a dark glimpse at a character in a an unpleasant place. Or, if it wasn't before today, it is now. Isn't it bad enough that REM's music sucks now? Must we ruin the good stuff? - -Rex PS "escapism" wouldn't necessarily be "light daydream"; it depends on the dreamer. A bondage enthusiast's escapist daydream would hardly be little fluffy clouds and Buffett tunes on the beach. Unless said bondage enthusiast was really really twiste. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Eb wrote: > "Escapism" is about light daydream and fantasy. "Yellow Submarine" is > escapist. Yellow Submarine isn't escapist because there's no hint at what is being escaped. It's just whimsy. Whimsy isn't escapist if you're a whimsical sort of person... then it's just de rigeur. > A song with as much darkness (see above) as "Can't Get There from Here" > isn't. You have to have the darkness in order to have something from which to escape. And I think that if you're admitting Can't Get There From Here is full of darkness, you have an obvious answer to your initial question. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Eb wrote: >>> Then, what are your favorite TV shows? [snip] >> The only things I'm actively following are Arrested Development, The >> Sopranos and Six Feet Under. [snip] >> Now isn't that fascinating? >> > A lot more fascinating than your tedious, self-righteous broadswipes at > corporate evils. How on Earth is it even remotely interesting that I watch the three shows on television that are more or less universely regarded as the most worthwhile things on television? Hell, it's mostly a matter of cultural literacy, anyway. I must say there's almost nothing worse than overhearing a group of people talk about something they all saw on television. It's depressing. They pretend to have shared experience while going home and locking themselves in their dens for hours every evening. Oh, here's something worse: I was on the train the other day and heard three rich middle-aged white guys going on and on about their television systems. They couldn't stop talking about how great their new "High Definition" setup is and how much better that is than what they had before. Actual quotes: "I find myself watching stuff that isn't even interesting to me just because it's so CLEAR!" "I find it so much easier to watch things that bored me before I got HD." And the topper: "Yeah, I hear plasma isn't going to last, but whatever... six grand? So I get something new in three years." "Oh, I went with plasma in the bathroom -- you know, for sports, but I didn't think it was right for the bedroom." Wow. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:55:03 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Capuchin wrote: > Oh, here's something worse: I was on the train the other day and heard > three rich middle-aged white guys going on and on about their television > systems. They couldn't stop talking about how great their new "High > Definition" setup is and how much better that is than what they had > before. Actual quotes: "I find myself watching stuff that isn't even > interesting to me just because it's so CLEAR!" "I find it so much easier > to watch things that bored me before I got HD." > And the topper: "Yeah, I hear plasma isn't going to last, but whatever... > six grand? So I get something new in three years." "Oh, I went with > plasma in the bathroom -- you know, for sports, but I didn't think it was > right for the bedroom." > Wow. Hey--you got it, you spend it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:56:41 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:35:06 -0800, Eb wrote: > "Escapism" is about light daydream and fantasy. "Yellow Submarine" is > escapist. A song with as much darkness (see above) as "Can't Get There > from Here" isn't. Ah. See, usually when something is described as "escapist," there's an implicit criticism: tthat the object or person experiencing it is using it to deflect having to deal with some problem that (in the writer's opinion) should be faced. "Light daydream and fantasy" is not usually what's being called to mind when people use the word "escapist." But I agree with Rex: the last R.E.M. album pretty much sucks. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:10:30 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: walking on sunshine > Yellow Submarine isn't escapist because there's no hint at what is > being escaped. I don't buy this "escapism requires a nod to what is being escaped" thesis at all. What's being escaped is a given: the daily "real world," with all its unpleasant truths and hardships. And I'd venture to say that the overall usages of the word are more in alignment with my position than yours and Jeff's. Certainly, when people talk about *films* which are "escapist fare." 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They pretend to have shared experience while going home > and locking themselves in their dens for hours every evening. > > Oh, here's something worse: I was on the train the other day and > heard three rich middle-aged white guys going on and on about their > television systems. They couldn't stop talking about how great their > new "High Definition" setup is and how much better that is than what > they had before. Actual quotes: "I find myself watching stuff that > isn't even interesting to me just because it's so CLEAR!" "I find it > so much easier to watch things that bored me before I got HD." > > And the topper: "Yeah, I hear plasma isn't going to last, but > whatever... six grand? So I get something new in three years." "Oh, > I went with plasma in the bathroom -- you know, for sports, but I > didn't think it was right for the bedroom." > > Wow. > Everyone's values are corrupt and shallow except yours, Jeme. This shouldn't be fresh news to you anymore. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:47:32 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Walking on... > > I didn't work too hard at picking that song for comparison, > >Well, work harder. What's from that era with big, clear vocals, a bright, >poppy chorus and a peppy, uplifting backbeat that isn't still heard all >the time, all over the place? Then you might have some kind of argument. Hm... World shut your mouth (Cope)? Skin deep (Stranglers)? I must admit that the firsat two songs from that era that came to mind that fit the first three requirements (Born in the USA and Pride (In the name of love)) are still heard all over the place (no Bangles pun intended) > This is no more true now than it was when you asserted it a year ago. We may have the birth of a new word folks. Either that or a freudian slip. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:54:25 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: walking on sunshine > Everyone's values are corrupt and shallow except yours, Jeme. This > shouldn't be fresh news to you anymore. Usually at this point I say something about boobs and then greg says something about ass, and we've all seen that way too often... can anyone help me think of a new approach? Threads about wanking need not apply. I know... hey, who wants to do a feglist original music compilation? That wwould by cool, huh? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:02:40 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Eb wrote: > I don't buy this "escapism requires a nod to what is being escaped" > thesis at all. What's being escaped is a given: the daily "real world," > with all its unpleasant truths and hardships. And I'd venture to say > that the overall usages of the word are more in alignment with my > position than yours and Jeff's. Certainly, when people talk about > *films* which are "escapist fare." Ah, see, now here we get to the distinction you're missing. "Escapist fare" describes how a film gets you away from the troubles of life when you go watch it. It's escapism on the part of the viewer. The escapism we're describing in those songs is, to relate the idea to film, the escapist themes in Brazil, say, or The Secret Life of Walter Mitty. It's thematically escapist, rather than merely being used for escapism. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Walking on... On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, James Dignan wrote: > Hm... World shut your mouth (Cope)? Skin deep (Stranglers)? I don't recall these being hits here, but that's not to say they weren't. I think one obvious requirement would be that the song was a hit in the USA, since most of the advertising and stuff that would use the song would have come from the USA. > I must admit that the firsat two songs from that era that came to mind > that fit the first three requirements (Born in the USA and Pride (In the > name of love)) are still heard all over the place (no Bangles pun > intended) Right-o. >> This is no more true now than it was when you asserted it a year ago. > > We may have the birth of a new word folks. Either that or a freudian > slip. I'm missing something here. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:07:46 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Feb 2, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Capuchin wrote: > And the topper: "Yeah, I hear plasma isn't going to last, but > whatever... six grand? So I get something new in three years." "Oh, > I went with plasma in the bathroom -- you know, for sports, but I > didn't think it was right for the bedroom." > I actually went with an EDTV plasma in the bedroom because I could mount it on the wall and thus save floor space. In the bathroom I just installed second-zone speakers with an in-wall IR repeater - TV is so unnecessary there. Wait...I think I missed the point... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:13:04 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: walking on sunshine > "Escapist fare" describes how a film gets you away from the troubles of > life when you go watch it. It's escapism on the part of the viewer. > > The escapism we're describing in those songs is, to relate the idea to > film, the escapist themes in Brazil, say, or The Secret Life of Walter > Mitty. > > It's thematically escapist, rather than merely being used for escapism. Didn't I just say that? (cf. giant semantic boondoggle above) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Rex Broome wrote: > > Everyone's values are corrupt and shallow except yours, Jeme. This > > shouldn't be fresh news to you anymore. > > Usually at this point I say something about boobs and then greg says > something about ass, and we've all seen that way too often... can > anyone help me think of a new approach? Threads about wanking need > not apply. Boobs vs. ass would be a lot more interesting than what this thread has become, and wanking, well of course--that wouldn't be a change at all.. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:26:08 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Rex Broome wrote: > Didn't I just say that? (cf. giant semantic boondoggle above) Yes. Well, you wrote it, anyway. I was just kind of elaborating and providing another example. Sorry if it offended you. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:47:50 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Walking all over R.E.M. - -- Rex Broome is rumored to have mumbled on 2. Februar 2005 12:46:24 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: walking on sunshine: > Isn't it bad enough that REM's music sucks now? Let me repeat that I don't think it's as bad as you all make it sound. Even "Around The Sun" has grown on me. I wonder if it's a matter of giving the more recent material the *chance* to let it grow on you (not in the literal sense, because that would be gross!). Has anyone of you nay-sayers listened to ATS at least, say, three times? Anyway, I'm going to the show in Oberhausen tomorrow night and I'm looking forward to it! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn EhrenfeldgC Subject: Re: walking on sunshine >From: Benjamin Lukoff >Subject: Re: walking on sunshine >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:59:39 -0800 (PST) >On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Capuchin wrote: >What Paul solo albums do you (and other list members) have? I have nearly all of them, I don't have McCartney II because I think it sucks. Max ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Sounds kinda Reznorish when I say it out loud... I hate what this list has become. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:12:28 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Around the Suck (was: Walking all over R.E.M.) Sebastian: > Has anyone of you nay-sayers listened to ATS at least, say, three times? Exactly that many times, in fact. Unlike a lot of the naysayers I find it a drastic dropoff even from the previous record, and I still like Up and New Adventures quite well indeed. Here's how universal the pan of the record is... loud-fans will recognize the follow as a cut'n'paste of Aaron's year-end poll. I'm including all the ranking for artists who might be considered REM's contemporaries, most of whose fans would generally have once been very enthusiastic crossover REM supporters, just so you can see what kind of people voted in this thing (including rather a few fegs), and a few other examples of what they liked *more* than Around the Sun: ALBUMS 1/ Brian Wilson - Smile (43.13 points) (not an REM contemporary, but worth mentioning no. 1) 5/ Morrissey - You Are The Quarry (25.06 points) 14/ Shalini - Metal Corner (16.04 points) (Mitch Easter content) 15/ Chris Stamey - Travels In The South (15.07 points) 17/ Church - Forget Yourself (13.04 points) 18/ Robyn Hitchcock - Spooked (12.06 points) 20/ Mission Of Burma - ONoffON (11.05 points) 33/ Finn Brothers - Everyone Is Here (7.04 points) 47/ U2 - How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb (5.03 points) 47/ Camper Van Beethoven - New Roman Times (5.03 points) 47/ Chris Stamey/Yo La Tengo - V.O.T.E. (5.03 points) 52/ Tanya Donelly - Whiskey Tango Ghosts (5.02 points) 52/ Paul Westerberg - Folker (5.02 points) Tied for 63rd with a single 5-point vote: David Byrne 72/ Elvis Costello - The Delivery Man (4.02 points) 105/ William Shatner (!) - Has Been (3.02 points) 105/ Minus 5 - In Rock (3.02 points) 105/ Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse (3.02 points) 105/ They Might Be Giants - The Spine (3.02 points) Tied for 113th with a single 3-point vote: Rick Springfield (!), Matthew Sweet, Hoodoo Gurus Tied for 204th with a single 1-point vote: Ken Stringfellow, American Music Club, Chills, R.E.M. Pretty sad. > Anyway, I'm going to the show in Oberhausen tomorrow night and I'm looking > forward to it! Hell, I'd still go see 'em live if the tickets weren't so pricey! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:10:30 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: [Fwd: FW: STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE CANCELLED - UPN] Sad, in a way. Possibly sadder that it bothers me. - -f. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FW: STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE CANCELED - UPN Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:58:20 -0600 Star Trek: Enterprise Canceled UPN and Paramount Network Television have jointly announced that this will be the final season of Star Trek: Enterprise on UPN. [Production will continue until the end of this season, which will finish shooting in March.] The series finale will air on Friday, May 13, 2005. "Star Trek has been an important part of UPN's history, and 'Enterprise' has carried on the tradition of its predecessors with great distinction," said Dawn Ostroff, President, Entertainment, UPN. "We'd like to thank Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and an incredibly talented cast for creating an engaging, new dimension to the Star Trek universe on UPN, and we look forward to working with them, and our partners at Paramount Network Television, on a send-off that salutes its contributions to The Network and satisfies its loyal viewers." David Stapf, President of Paramount Network Television, said, "The creators, stars and crew of 'Star Trek: Enterprise' ambitiously and proudly upheld the fine traditions of the Star Trek franchise. We are grateful for their contributions to the legacy of Trek and commend them on completing nearly 100 exciting, dramatic and visually stunning episodes. All of us at Paramount warmly bid goodbye to 'Enterprise', and we all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise in the future." A prequel to the original "Star Trek" series, Star Trek: Enterprise premiered on UPN on Sept. 26, 2001, and aired for its first three seasons on Wednesdays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). On Oct. 8, 2004, Star Trek: Enterprise moved into its current time on Fridays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). Through its four-year run, Star Trek: Enterprise produced a total of 98 episodes and earned four Emmy Awards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:04:51 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: walking on sunshine > Yellow Submarine isn't escapist because there's no hint at > what is being escaped. It's only later, in Octopus's Garden, that we learn they've escaped to a little hideaway beneath the waves in order to be warm, below the storm. > You have to have the darkness in order to have something from > which to escape. And sometimes the darkness itself can be a form of escape. For instance, although I abhor violence in real life, right now I think I would really enjoy a movie in which the hero, let's say it's Rex, grabs Jeme by the ankles and swings him in such a way that his head hits Eb's at a high velocity, smashing both of their skulls. Zany highjinks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:18:04 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: walking on sunshine On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >From: Benjamin Lukoff > >Subject: Re: walking on sunshine > >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:59:39 -0800 (PST) > > >On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Capuchin wrote: > > >What Paul solo albums do you (and other list members) have? > > I have nearly all of them, I don't have McCartney II because I think it > sucks. "Temporary... Secretary..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:49:22 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Around the Suck (was: Walking all over R.E.M.) - -- Rex Broome is rumored to have mumbled on 2. Februar 2005 16:12:28 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: Around the Suck (was: Walking all over R.E.M.): > Sebastian: >> Has anyone of you nay-sayers listened to ATS at least, say, three times? > > Exactly that many times, in fact. Hm, either that's not often enough or it's something else ... > Unlike a lot of the naysayers I > find it a drastic dropoff even from the previous record, and I still > like Up and New Adventures quite well indeed. Same here. I *still* think that it's probably their weakest CD, but I don't think it's abysmal. I got the iTunes Originals collection of R.E.M. and there are some demos for ATS tracks that actually sound better than the final product, because they're not as polished. > Here's how universal the pan of the record is... In the US, but not here! Note that the CD has gone to #1 in Germany and several other European countries ... in 1985 I have seen R.E.M. in a small club in Cologne with a crowd of maybe 200, at a time when they already filled medium-sized venues in the US, but now it seems they're much more popular over here than stateside. I just checked: ATS is #38 for 2004 ... not too shabby for such a late release. >> Anyway, I'm going to the show in Oberhausen tomorrow night and I'm >> looking forward to it! > > Hell, I'd still go see 'em live if the tickets weren't so pricey! It's fortunate that ticket prices haven't ballooned as severely over here. My tickets were $70 each, and that's only so high because the dollar is so weak. I suppose they were more like $150 in the US? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn EhrenfeldgC