From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #368 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 28 2004 Volume 13 : Number 368 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Spooked Vinyl ["Lauren" ] Re: Random query ["Lauren" ] Re: Tragically hip [2fs ] Re: Tragically hip [Tom Clark ] Re: Random query [Eb ] Re: REAP [James Dignan ] Re: Random query ["craigie*" ] Motown covers [James Dignan ] Re: Tragically hip [James Dignan ] Re: REAP [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Tragically hip [Capuchin ] Re: Random query ["Lauren" ] Re: Random query [Dolph Chaney ] RE: Motown covers ["Marc Alberts" ] RE: Tragically hip ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: REAP ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Random query ["Lauren" ] RE: coverswap ["michael wells" ] tragically lexicographical ["michael wells" ] Re: Spooked Vinyl ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Spooked Vinyl [2fs ] tour updates, from the museum ["Marc Holden" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:47:06 -0500 From: "Lauren" Subject: Re: Spooked Vinyl Max wrote: > I forget who was complaining about their copy of Spooked on vinyl. I > recently got a brand new stylus for my Beogram and broke the seal on my own > copy...What a piece of crap. 180 grams of bad pressing. Still, probably > better than the scratchy WB albums(Mossy Liquor and Storefront Vinyl). It > just seeems to have odd areas of defect or something, I don't know. Hmmm...so that would make me the proud owner of 360 grams of crap. Fortunately, about 3/4 of the music I love sounds to me like the voice of a singer who half breaks my heart surrounded by an amorphous wall (or wall-ette) of sound. Let's just say I won't confess how old I was before I noticed the existence of (I think they call it?) the bassline... (The other 1/4 would be The Fall (N.B. no adjustment factor for Mark Smith's ego.)) At any rate, would anyone care to name a few Robyn/Egyptians/reissue of 'Can of Bees' album that they consider to be good pressings (U.S. releases - I can't think of anything I bought as U.K. import)? Maybe I can learn a few things with a pair of headphones. ..or perhaps not as 'Beogram' sounds like a brand of vodka to me xo Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:08:17 -0500 From: "Lauren" Subject: Re: Random query Sebastian Hagedorn said: > > Actually I was serious. I don't really know much about > > Motown, as it never has been as popular over here as in > > the US. So for me the Phil Collins version was the first > > one I heard. and then Jeff Dwarf said: > That's truly horrifying. and then I said: Actually, Eb had said 'top "white" covers of Motown songs', and you can't get much whiter than Phil Collins' covering The Supremes ;) I can't imagine that Bryan Ferry doesn't have one or two good ones, giving the breadth (and audacity) of the songs he will cover (Roxy Music is *way* better of course but I can't recall that they did any covers.) This is all conjecture until I consult my collection...www.allmusic.com be damned. xo Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:06:48 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Tragically hip On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:49:16 +0100, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > No, not the band. I've only heard of them and currently curse them, because > they poison my Google search for what the expression actually means. All > I've found on Wikipedia is that "(the band) took their name from a skit in > the movie Elephant Parts by Michael Nesmith of The Monkees". That doesn't > help ... > > I'm curious because I am reading this NYT article on the MLA conference > (sorry, registration necessary): > > > > The author uses the term several times, e.g.: Ah - I see it's time for the annual "Bash the MLA" piece. I mean, yes, some papers might seem ridiculous or laughable (but what's laughable to a culture that enjoys Rob Schneider movies?) but by far the majority of them are as tedious and dry as the safe, forgettable image of academics could wish for. I think the term "tragically hip" is a semi-cliche that just means "trying to hard to be hip as to be ridiculous." - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:36:58 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Tragically hip On Dec 27, 2004, at 5:49 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Another word I've stumbled over recently (also in the quoted article) > is "trifecta". From the context I assumed it must mean something like > "made up from three parts", but according to Merriam-Webster it's a > Spanish-American term for a bet where you have to predict the first > three runners in a race correctly. What gives? Semantic shift? It's most commonly used in the latter sense. Usually in the form of "you hit the trifecta!" when someone gets three of something. Hockey fans would most likely use the term "hat trick" instead. - -tc, tragically unhip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:05:35 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Random query > I can't imagine that Bryan Ferry doesn't have one or two good ones, > giving > the breadth (and audacity) of the songs he will cover Ferry did "The Tracks of My Tears"...I believe that's all? > (Roxy Music is *way* > better of course but I can't recall that they did any covers.) > Jealous Guy, Like a Hurricane, Eight Miles High, In the Midnight Hour. Eb, Woodstock-chantin' "no rain...no rain...no rain...no rain...." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:06:12 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: REAP >Football great Reggie White. sorry, but individual reaps seem a bit slight today, no matter who they are. Spent an afternoon listening to NZ play Sri Lanka at cricket, then watched the wall-to-wall coverage of the horror going on in the visiting side's home country. For someone living near the beach in a major earthquake zone it was pretty sobering stuff. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:11:11 -0000 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: Random query the jam - Back In My Arms Again Elvis Costello - Remove This Doubt All the best! craigie* ...better late than never, until proven otherwise... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eb" To: "fgz" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: Re: Random query >> I can't imagine that Bryan Ferry doesn't have one or two good ones, >> giving >> the breadth (and audacity) of the songs he will cover > > Ferry did "The Tracks of My Tears"...I believe that's all? > >> (Roxy Music is *way* >> better of course but I can't recall that they did any covers.) >> > Jealous Guy, Like a Hurricane, Eight Miles High, In the Midnight Hour. > > Eb, Woodstock-chantin' "no rain...no rain...no rain...no rain...." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:22:00 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Motown covers > > I was trying to think of the top "white" covers of Motown songs, and > > coming up pretty empty. All I can easily come up with are CCR's "I Heard > > It Through the Grapevine," the Stones' "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" and (by > > both the Beatles and Flying Lizards) "Money." Oh wait, and add the > > Beatles' "You Really Got a Hold on Me" and the Stones' "Just My > > Imagination" as well. > > > > Others? > >Phil Collins, "You Can't Hurry Love" The Beatles covered plenty of R&B hits in their early days (everything from Roll Over Beethoven" to "Boys"), but - like "Money" - - I'm not sure they were Motown songs. Hmmm. Can you count Was Not Was's "Papa was a rolling stone"? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:22:07 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Tragically hip >Another word I've stumbled over recently (also in the quoted article) is >"trifecta". From the context I assumed it must mean something like "made up >from three parts", but according to Merriam-Webster it's a Spanish-American >term for a bet where you have to predict the first three runners in a race >correctly. What gives? Semantic shift? presumably. As for "Spanish-American", maybe... but only if said Spanish-Americans were living in Melbourne. Trifecta and Quinella (which weirdly means getting the first two runners) have been used in Australia for a century or so. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:53:19 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: REAP On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, James Dignan wrote: > >Football great Reggie White. > > sorry, but individual reaps seem a bit slight today, no matter who > they are. Spent an afternoon listening to NZ play Sri Lanka at > cricket, then watched the wall-to-wall coverage of the horror going > on in the visiting side's home country. For someone living near the > beach in a major earthquake zone it was pretty sobering stuff. No doubt. I understand Australia is willing to help set up an Indian Ocean tsunami warning system such as we have for the Pacific (I live in Washington state, USA). If only such a thing had been in place two days ago... After the immediate concerns of food, water, and shelter have been taken care of, I hope people take a serious look at a system that could have saved thousands and thousands of lives. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Tragically hip On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > On Dec 27, 2004, at 5:49 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > Another word I've stumbled over recently (also in the quoted article) > > is "trifecta". From the context I assumed it must mean something like > > "made up from three parts", but according to Merriam-Webster it's a > > Spanish-American term for a bet where you have to predict the first > > three runners in a race correctly. What gives? Semantic shift? > > It's most commonly used in the latter sense. Usually in the form of > "you hit the trifecta!" when someone gets three of something. Hockey > fans would most likely use the term "hat trick" instead. In my personal lexicon, I have a different distinction between the terms "hat trick" and "trifecta". See, a "hat trick" is when you do something three times or "score" three different ways. Whereas a "trifecta" is accomplighing three things simultaneously. So if you find a dollar in the street (score!), walk into the Goodwill and get a great shirt for a dollar (score!), and then a hottie sees your nice shirt and you end up going out (score!), that's a "hat trick". Now, if the hottie is rich, totally into you, and just shot down an advance by your arch rival, that's a "trifecta". Of course, that usage is probably unique to me, but it makes sense. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:24:30 -0500 From: "Lauren" Subject: Re: Random query after Lauren softboygirl@hotmail.com said: > > I can't imagine that Bryan Ferry doesn't have one or two good ones, > > giving the breadth (and audacity) of the songs he will cover Eb said: > Ferry did "The Tracks of My Tears"...I believe that's all? and after Lauren softboygirl@hotmail.com said: > > (Roxy Music is *way* > > better of course but I can't recall that they did any covers.) Eb said: > Jealous Guy, Like a Hurricane, Eight Miles High, In the Midnight Hour. Eeek. Fegs have the power to turn Lennon into a black man? (Actually, I was thinking Motown covers when I said "covers". I should learn to explain myself better.) xo Lauren, still trying to understand why anyone would ever cover 'Eight Miles High' --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- "I hate all music. Except 'Roadrunner' by The Modern Lovers." - John Lydon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:08:42 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Random query At 07:24 PM 12/27/2004, Lauren wrote: >still trying to understand why anyone would ever cover 'Eight Miles >High' I would personally amend that to "still trying to understand why anyone would ever cover 'Eight Miles High' after Husker Du so transformed it", but that's me. - -- Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:22:28 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Motown covers James Dignan wrote: > > > I was trying to think of the top "white" covers of Motown songs, and > > > coming up pretty empty. All I can easily come up with are CCR's "I > Heard > > > It Through the Grapevine," the Stones' "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" and > (by > > > both the Beatles and Flying Lizards) "Money." Oh wait, and add the > > > Beatles' "You Really Got a Hold on Me" and the Stones' "Just My > > > Imagination" as well. > > > > > > Others? > > > >Phil Collins, "You Can't Hurry Love" > > The Beatles covered plenty of R&B hits in their early days > (everything from Roll Over Beethoven" to "Boys"), but - like "Money" > - I'm not sure they were Motown songs. I'd say "Money" was definitely a Motown song. After all, Berry Gordy Jr. has a writing credit on it, and Barrett Strong was the first to record it. It was released on Anna Records because Gordy's young pre-Motown label couldn't afford distribution and Motown wasn't to be formed as a label until about six months later, but Anna was owned by Gordy's sister, Gwen, and her husband, so its close enough that I would put it firmly in the Motown realm, even if by a technicality it wasn't a Motown release. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:28:57 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Tragically hip Capuchin wrote: > On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Dec 27, 2004, at 5:49 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > Another word I've stumbled over recently (also in the quoted article) > > > is "trifecta". From the context I assumed it must mean something like > > > "made up from three parts", but according to Merriam-Webster it's a > > > Spanish-American term for a bet where you have to predict the first > > > three runners in a race correctly. What gives? Semantic shift? > > > > It's most commonly used in the latter sense. Usually in the form of > > "you hit the trifecta!" when someone gets three of something. Hockey > > fans would most likely use the term "hat trick" instead. > > In my personal lexicon, I have a different distinction between the terms > "hat trick" and "trifecta". See, a "hat trick" is when you do something > three times or "score" three different ways. Whereas a "trifecta" is > accomplighing three things simultaneously. So if you find a dollar in the > street (score!), walk into the Goodwill and get a great shirt for a dollar > (score!), and then a hottie sees your nice shirt and you end up going out > (score!), that's a "hat trick". Now, if the hottie is rich, totally into > you, and just shot down an advance by your arch rival, that's a > "trifecta". > > Of course, that usage is probably unique to me, but it makes sense. Certainly not unique, and I would say that's a pretty good summation of the differences between the two terms. "Trifecta" definitely requires three things happening at once, while a hat trick only implies three good things happening in relatively close proximity to each other (not necessarily even temporally). I would even go further on the uniqueness question by saying that I am not sure that I've ever really heard them used interchangeably the way Tom implies (sorry, Tom). Heck, even in hockey the term "trifecta" is used that way, as if you get a two minute penalty for instigation, five minutes for fighting and a misconduct resulting from the fight, us hockey players have called it a "trifecta" for as long as I've played the game. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:58:49 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: REAP >From: James Dignan >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: REAP >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:06:12 +1300 >>Football great Reggie White. >sorry, but individual reaps seem a bit slight today, no matter who they >are. Spent an afternoon listening to NZ play Sri Lanka at cricket, then >watched the wall-to-wall coverage of the horror going on in the visiting >side's home country. For someone living near the beach in a major >earthquake zone it was pretty sobering stuff. Ture indeed, though, you have to remember I live in the Philadelphia media market. it was the BIG story here, sad but true. It was the lead story on the local news and took up roughly 1/3 of the 30 minute local news. mAX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:23:48 -0500 From: "Lauren" Subject: Re: Random query Dolph said > I would personally amend that to "still trying to understand why anyone > would ever cover 'Eight Miles High' after Husker Du so transformed it", but > that's me. Touchi :) xo Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:31:05 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: coverswap Roxy Music "Country Life" -> Pink Floyd "Wish You Were Here" There was always a certain, indescribable SOMETHING about that cover that always appealed to me. Michael "I still have no idea what it is" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:11:46 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: tragically lexicographical Tom "did you buy an iPod yet?" Clark writes: > It's most commonly used in the latter sense. Usually in the form of > "you hit the trifecta!" when someone gets three of something. Hockey > fans would most likely use the term "hat trick" instead. Only in the sense that three of something is involved; the term "trifecta" (and "exacta" for doubles) infers an extra level of precision. In a "hat trick" one similar event (a goal) is scored by one person three times. In order to cash in a trifecta, three different finishers (events) must not only be correctly selected from a field of many, but *also* correctly ordered 1-2-3. You can't really pick a trifecta in hockey unless Probert, Domi or Brown is involved. Jeme: > In my personal lexicon, I have a different distinction between the terms > "hat trick" and "trifecta". See, a "hat trick" is when you do something > three times or "score" three different ways. Whereas a "trifecta" is > accomplishing three things simultaneously. So if you find a dollar in the > street (score!), walk into the Goodwill and get a great shirt for a dollar > (score!), and then a hottie sees your nice shirt and you end up going out > (score!), that's a "hat trick". Now, if the hottie is rich, totally into > you, and just shot down an advance by your arch rival, that's a > "trifecta". As five of those things are not mutually exclusive there's no saying they all couldn't happen...but I suppose it's not a bad analogy. Ordering of the events is the key distinction, though; otherwise you're "boxing" a "trifecta": picking multiple winning outcomes (instead of one distinct outcome) from all possibilities, i.e. the first three horses in any combination. Knowing how to properly box an exacta is a fine skill. Michael "railbird" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:24:21 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Spooked Vinyl > From: "Maximilian Lang" > Subject: Spooked Vinyl > > I forget who was complaining about their copy of Spooked on vinyl. That was me. > I recently got a brand new stylus for my Beogram and broke the seal on > my own > copy...What a piece of crap. 180 grams of bad pressing. Still, > probably > better than the scratchy WB albums (Mossy Liquor and Storefront > Vinyl). It > just seeems to have odd areas of defect or something, I don't know. After a bit of research and poking industry insiders with sharp sticks, it's likely that the poor sound quality is a result of either 1) very bad raw vinyl being used, or 2) poor quality control by the pressing plant. Which means that the folks who recorded and mastered the album, and cut the master, aren't responsible. Or not. Who knows. I do know that that LP isn't gonna leave its sleeve again in my presence. The WB albums sound thin, but they aren't as noisy as Spooked, at least on my rig. NP: Beatallica "...better grip your pillow tightally..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:14:31 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Spooked Vinyl On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:24:21 -0600, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > From: "Maximilian Lang" > > Subject: Spooked Vinyl > After a bit of research and poking industry insiders with sharp sticks, > it's likely that the poor sound quality is a result of either 1) very > bad raw vinyl being used, or 2) poor quality control by the pressing > plant. Which means that the folks who recorded and mastered the album, > and cut the master, aren't responsible. > > Or not. Who knows. I do know that that LP isn't gonna leave its sleeve > again in my presence. Do you also use a sliderule and an abacus and make horseshoes in your spare time? Extreme vulnerability to manufacturing errors and rapid decay from initial quality are what vinyl's all about, folks. You can have your $25k turntable and its solid plutonium laser-etched stylus, your vacuum-sealed white-labcoat-requiring vibration-proofed secure listening room, but one scratch in the record and it sounds the same as a goddam Close'n'Play. Sheesh. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:37:22 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: tour updates, from the museum Tour Dates Spain (solo) January 21 Cafe Picaro Toledo January 22 Black Note Club Valencia January 27 UniversidadLeon Italy / Spain (with Peter Blegvad) February 6 & 7 Hotel Du Nord Paris February 8 ScimmieMilan USA (solo) March 3 Great American Music Hall San Francisco March 5 The CrocodileSeattle March 8-10 Cafe Largo Los Angeles Japan The tour has been postponed until May. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #368 ********************************