From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #363 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 22 2004 Volume 13 : Number 363 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Melvins/Jello ["David Stovall" ] RE: CvB ["David Stovall" ] RE: CvB ["David Stovall" ] RE: "pain cry"? Then language... ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Melvins/Jello [Eb ] Tops of '04 [Tom Clark ] RE: CvB ["michael wells" ] RE: Foreign languages and writing systems ["Marc Alberts" ] top 25 of 2004 and other lists [Dolph Chaney ] RE: Foreign languages and writing systems [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Foreign languages and writing systems ["Stewart C. Russell" ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Pixies - WOW [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:54:15 -0800 From: "David Stovall" Subject: RE: Melvins/Jello >From: Tom Clark >p.s. Just heard "Never Breathe What You Can't See" by Jello Biafra and >The Melvins. KICK ASS! I saw the Melvins live in, um, October or so, fairly recently, anyway, here in Indianapolis. It would have been a total and utter surprise when they brought Jello out for the last few songs if a guy I was talking to in line hadn't said that the same had happened the previous night in Chicago. It was still pretty cool, nonetheless. Jello still sounds pretty much the same as ever, appears to be aging well, and crowd-surfed with gusto for a couple minutes. They did two or three DK's songs (don't remember which, other than California Uber Alles), and at least one song off the new Jello/Melvins rekkid. I taped, but am so unfamiliar with the Melvins' catalog that it's gonna be hopeless for me to try to track out the recording. Anybody wanna help? da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:14:05 -0800 From: "David Stovall" Subject: RE: CvB >From: "Matt Sewell" >The best start to Camper Van Beethoven appreciation (little help here?) Prob'ly either _Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart_ or _Telephone Free Landslide Victory_ (the one with "Take the Skinheads Bowling" on it), though the new _New Roman Times_ is darn spiffy as well. OBRS is my favorite - not a klunker on it - and is a bit more accessible to my ear, if only for the big-studio-solid-but-not-"slick" production. >Folkjokeopus - Roy Harper >Spooked - Tall bloke... what's his name again? Robert something... >Hedgehog? Last year, I ordered a coupla live sets from Roy Harper's website. When the discs arrived, one had a "Happy holidays, RH" (or words to that effect) scrawled in magic marker on the cellophane wrapper, and my brane reflexively wondered, "What's Robyn doing working at Roy Harper's mail-order catalog?" Hm, piercing-voiced English guitar/harmonica-playing purveyor of twisted folkie music, initials "RH" . . . . da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:14:28 -0800 From: "David Stovall" Subject: RE: CvB >From: "Matt Sewell" >The best start to Camper Van Beethoven appreciation (little help here?) Prob'ly either _Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart_ or _Telephone Free Landslide Victory_ (the one with "Take the Skinheads Bowling" on it), though the new _New Roman Times_ is darn spiffy as well. OBRS is my favorite - not a klunker on it - and is a bit more accessible to my ear, if only for the big-studio-solid-but-not-"slick" production. The new reissues have bonus tracks. >Folkjokeopus - Roy Harper >Spooked - Tall bloke... what's his name again? Robert something... >Hedgehog? Last year, I ordered a coupla live sets from Roy Harper's website. When the discs arrived, one had a "Happy holidays, RH" (or words to that effect) scrawled in magic marker on the cellophane wrapper, and my brane reflexively wondered, "What's Robyn doing working at Roy Harper's mail-order catalog?" Hm, piercing-voiced English guitar/harmonica-playing purveyor of twisted folkie music, initials "RH" . . . . da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:54:37 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: "pain cry"? Then language... > -----Original Message----- > From: Capuchin [mailto:capuchin@bitmine.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:29 AM > To: Nerdy Groovers > Subject: Re: "pain cry"? Then language... > > > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > Perhaps, although the person from Yorkshire and the one > from Brooklyn > > would probably find some middle ground where they could communicate. > > That's not necessarily true for a Dutchman and a German. Cologne is > > pretty close to the Dutch border, so the regional dialect here is > > relatively close to Dutch as well. Even still I have a hard time > > following Dutch TV. Jeme came back with: > I think there are probably lots of people in Brooklyn that have a hard > time following Yorkshire TV. And people in Yorkshire would probably be scratching there heads over all the different Brooklyn pronunciations for the number 30. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:16:20 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: "pain cry"? Then language... Bachman, Michael wrote: > > And people in Yorkshire would probably be scratching there heads over > all the different Brooklyn pronunciations for the number 30. But at least the Yorkshire folk know how to pronounce 'Slaithwaite', and know what a snicket is. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:59:51 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Melvins/Jello On Dec 21, 2004, at 8:54 AM, David Stovall wrote: >> From: Tom Clark >> p.s. Just heard "Never Breathe What You Can't See" by Jello > Biafra and >> The Melvins. KICK ASS! > > I saw the Melvins live in, um, October or so, fairly recently, > anyway, here in Indianapolis. It would have been a total and > utter surprise when they brought Jello out for the last few songs > if a guy I was talking to in line hadn't said that the same had > happened the previous night in Chicago. It was still pretty > cool, nonetheless. Jello still sounds pretty much the same as > ever, appears to be aging well, and crowd-surfed with gusto for > a couple minutes. They did two or three DK's songs (don't remember > which, other than California Uber Alles), and at least one song > off the new Jello/Melvins rekkid. I taped, but am so unfamiliar > with the Melvins' catalog that it's gonna be hopeless for me > to try to track out the recording. Anybody wanna help? Can't say I've really ever heard The Melvins that I know of. I just recognized Jello's voice on the track I heard on the radio and then downloaded the entire album from EMusic, closed the office door and cranked it up to 11. Tore my fucking eyes out. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:25:59 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Melvins/Jello > Jello still sounds pretty much the same as > ever, appears to be aging well, and crowd-surfed with gusto for > a couple minutes. Does he still walk with a limp? I was really disappointed with the CVB reunion album, but god how I swooned for that band circa 1986-1989.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:43:13 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Tops of '04 In no particular order. RH - Spooked Camper Van Beethoven - New Roman Times Tom Waits - Real Gone Mission of Burma - ONoffON Jello Biafra with The Melvins - Never Breathe What You Can't See Frank Black - Frank Black Francis Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose The Thrills - Let's Bottle Bohemia Pixies - Coachella 5.1.2004 Notables from '03 that I bought this year: James Kirk - You Can Make It If You Boogie The Thrills - So Much For The City - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:54:57 -0800 From: "michael wells" Subject: RE: CvB > >From: "Matt Sewell" > > The best start to Camper Van Beethoven appreciation (little help here?) Dave: > Prob'ly either _Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart_ or _Telephone > Free Landslide Victory_ TFLV is probably the best place to start, since it's the beginning, but I've always had a soft spot for their s/t third album (not to be confused with II & III, which was their second). It's now available again - I had to beg a CDR copy from Ed Poole a few years ago - with what appear to be some interesting bonus tracks. Michael "everybody's coming home for lunch these days" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:26:18 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Foreign languages and writing systems Stewart wrote: > > Hmmmmm.... Homophones are words that sound alike but may be spelled > > differently, while homographs are words that are spelled the same the > same > > but sound different. Homonyms, on the other hand, are words that have > the > > same sound and may or may not be spelled the same, but differ in > meaning. A > > homonym would not be the same as a homograph, therefore, since the > > pronunciation is the same in one and different in the other. > > I don't think it's quite as cut and dried as that. I think that they're > broadly intersecting classes. F'rinstance, in dictionaries, the numbers > next to identically-spelled headwords are homonym numbers. > > So while minute (n) and minute (adj) are pronounced differently, all the > different meanings of 'pass' (as in mountain, manoeuvre, bus, and > improper suggestion) are pronounced the same. I'm very unsure about that, since the definitions for homophones and homographs have been very clear in every definition I can remember seeing. Homophones have been "sound alike despite spelling" and homographs have been "sound different despite spelling". Your example of homonym numbers doesn't really apply, since homonyms may or may not be spelled identically, the important characteristic being that at least sound alike but have different meanings. At least, that's how I learned it. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:25:25 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Silly question > Do you "get" the hidden link on the main Google page today? OK, there > are the multilingual Xmas greetings...but what's with "1:" > and "2: ???"? It's starting to make more sense with today's doodle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:04:34 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: top 25 of 2004 and other lists TOP OF 2004 by Dolph Chaney ORIGINAL -- 1. Jay-Z + DJ Danger Mouse - The Grey Album 2. American Music Club - Love Songs For Patriots 3. Tom Waits - Real Gone 4. Elliott Smith  From a Basement on a Hill 5. Deerhoof  Milk Man 6. Fuck - Those Are Not My Bongos 7. Robyn Hitchcock - Spooked 8. Blonde Redhead  Misery Is A Butterfly 9. Interpol - Antics 10. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - Abbatoir Blues 11. A.C. Newman - The Slow Wonder 12. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - The Lyre of Orpheus 13. The French Kicks - The Trial Of The Century 14. Mouse On Mars - Radical Connector 15. Neko Case - The Tigers Have Spoken 16. Beatallica - Beatallica 17. PJ Harvey - Uh Huh Her 18. Various (Fat Possum Records) - Not The Same Old Blues Crap 3 19. Xiu Xiu  Fabulous Muscles 20. Guided By Voices - Half-Smiles of the Decomposed 21. Mission of Burma - ONoffON 22. John Cale - Hobosapiens 23. The Magnetic Fields - i 24. The Telepathic Butterflies - Songs From A Second Wave 25. The Girls - The Girls REISSUES -- 1. Talking Heads - The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads 2. The Clash - London Calling (Legacy Edition) 3. The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society 4. Matthew Sweet - Kimi Ga Suki Raifu 5. Les Savy Fav - Inches NOT YET HEARD ALL THE WAY THROUGH BUT ALREADY HAVE HONORARY SPOTS ON THE LIST - Fripp & Eno - The Equatorial Stars Elvis Costello & the Imposters - The Delivery Man OVERRATED - The Arcade Fire - Funeral YOU SHOULD ALSO ORDER, BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE ME HAPPY - Dolph Chaney - Very Just Fine: Amplitude 3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:46:58 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Foreign languages and writing systems Hallo Marc Alberts, - --On Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2004 17:26:18 Uhr MEZ -0800 Marc Alberts wrote: >> So while minute (n) and minute (adj) are pronounced differently, all the >> different meanings of 'pass' (as in mountain, manoeuvre, bus, and >> improper suggestion) are pronounced the same. > > I'm very unsure about that, since the definitions for homophones and > homographs have been very clear in every definition I can remember seeing. > Homophones have been "sound alike despite spelling" and homographs have > been "sound different despite spelling". Your example of homonym numbers > doesn't really apply, since homonyms may or may not be spelled > identically, the important characteristic being that at least sound alike > but have different meanings. > > At least, that's how I learned it. To sum it up: there's no one true definition of these words. The same thing applied to the term "allophone" when I was studying German and English. The two departments used slightly different definitions. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:21:38 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: RE:10 on the list I sent to Father Christmas >From: "Matt Sewell" >Subject: 10 on the list I sent to Father Christmas > >All I want for Christmas: >The best start to Camper Van Beethoven appreciation (little help here?) I would suggest Camper Van Beethoven (3rd album) or Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart (4th). I find TFLV a little too whimsical, II & III a bit dull, Key Lime Pie is great by this point the whimsy has gone and is a bridge into early Cracker ( I don't know the Monks of Doom). >Electric Music for the Mind & Body - Country Joe & the Fish Probably more fun than the rest of the 'frisco bands put together. The only band of that time and place that Sarah will choose to play. cheers, Brian np A powder black Dean Baby ML, just checking it before giving it as a present... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:03:57 +0000 From: "Paul WHITEHEAD" Subject: Paul WHITEHEAD/SHIELD is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 2004-11-23 and will not return until 2005-01-04. If you require immediate help/advice, please contact Ian McInally. I will respond to your message when I return. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Pixies - WOW Tom Clark wrote: > Eb wrote: > >> They did "Monkey Gone To Heaven" on Letterman last > >> week too. Made me regret not seeing them on this > >> tour. > > > > Oh, crap! Why didn't anyone announce this appearance, > > beforehand? :( > > Sorry, I meant to. I think I still have it on the ole' > TiVo though, if you want a copy. I wish that Paul would have just left well enough alone and not insisted on adding keyboard parts. Not they were terrible, just pointless and annoying. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:21:03 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Foreign languages and writing systems Marc Alberts wrote: > > Your example of homonym numbers doesn't > really apply, since homonyms may or may not be spelled identically Well, many lexicographers across the industry use it, and they tend to be fairly precise. > the > important characteristic being that at least sound alike but have different > meanings. But the homonyms (and homographs) minute (n, /minit/) and minute (adj, /min-yoot/) don't sound remotely similar. Ah, english! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:22:19 -0600 From: steve Subject: Test your XTC knowledge (NR) You might win a copy of Mitch Friedman's "Purple Burt". I think Mitch once fessed up to being a primary source of all those XTC demos that used to make the rounds. I'm not thinking about who or what Purple Burt might be. > 11: How is Colin connected to George Clooney?? On Dec 22, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > I wish that Paul would have just left well enough alone and > not insisted on adding keyboard parts. You might as well ask the Sun not to shine. - - Steve __________ George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States. He was appointed by God. - Lt. General William G. "Jerry" Boykin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:46:56 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap easytree.org (by the looks of things -- lots of other torrent sites have gone dark this week.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:03:16 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Pixies - WOW > I wish that Paul would have just left well enough alone and > not insisted on adding keyboard parts. Not they were > terrible, just pointless and annoying. Paul may play well, but he has no taste at all. I think he basically conceives music as being of two camps: either "old-time rock and roll" or "music that the kids listen to." He's a hopeless reactionary. Saw "The Station Agent," last night. Very good film. Eb PS That "Paul Whitehead" who's away couldn't be the famous album-cover artist, could he? (http://www.clearlight888music.com/paulwhitehead/site/musicgallery.html) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #363 ********************************