From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #351 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 9 2004 Volume 13 : Number 351 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Hold me now? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Hold me now? [Rex Broome ] Shite Charity Record Solutions 101 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Shite Charity Record Solutions 101 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Rex Broome ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Triplets of Belleville [Eb ] RE: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Triplets of Belleville ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Hold me now? [2fs ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Rex Broome ] RE: Hold me now? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Re: (extracting the,) [James Dignan ] Re: Re: (extracting the,) [2fs ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Miles Goosens ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: Triplets of Belleville ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Reaps [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [2fs ] REAP [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Garage show reviewed in Guardian [bisontentacle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:11:33 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Hold me now? Hi, - --On Mittwoch, 8. Dezember 2004 10:48:38 Uhr MEZ -0500 "Bachman, Michael" wrote: > Sebastian came back with: > >> IMO that's just a polite way of saying she didn't have any >> ... it was just >> horrible when they opened for R.E.M. during the Green tour. > > I don't have any live recordings from that tour, but I do from other > tours when they were the headliner, and she was fine. I didn't notice anything during the 1986 tour, either, so perhaps it really was only that specific tour. > The band was going > thru some traumatic times by the 1989 Green tour, and broke up shortly > afterword during the aborted studio sessions for the follow-up to 16 > Lovers Lane. I wasn't aware of that. >> > but it really seemed to fit in with the sound of the band, >> > especially in a song like Cattle and Cain. > > Sebastian came back with: > >> Actually she was replaced by a drum machine on many of their >> recordings. It even says so on ?? Lovers Lane (can't remember the >> number). > > She was absent during much of the recording of 16 Lovers Lane due to > her father's terminal illness, thus the drum machine. OK, I didn't know about that either and stand corrected. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:17:43 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Hold me now? Michael B on Lindy Morrison: > She was absent during much of the recording of 16 Lovers Lane due to > her father's terminal illness, thus the drum machine. I am sure other drummers > went thru the drum machine whims of various producers during the 80's as well. It sure was the thing to do at the time. A lot of great drummers got replaced by 'em on a lot of records. I think that, at the time, it was often less the aesthetic choice that it usually is today, and more the fact that they were coming into vogue at the time when a lot of bands who'd been around a while were starting to disintegrate... if the third Buffalo Springfield record had been recorded during that era, it prolly would've featured a lot of phat 808. Plus by that time New Wave and drum machines were practically synonymous, so bands that had been on the leading edge of that sound before the drum machines were now kind of expected to have them (cf. Speaking in Tongues). I love Lindy but I couldn't say whether or not she's a "great" drummer... I do value understatement, and she did seem to fit the band. I would have found it a bit suspicious that the reformed GB's didn't have Lindy but *did* have to have a female drummer... except that, at least at first, they used Janet Weiss, who is unquestionable a great drummer. - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:39:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Shite Charity Record Solutions 101 http://bandaiddilemma.net/ ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:07:15 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Shite Charity Record Solutions 101 Jeff Dwarf wrote: > http://bandaiddilemma.net/ Can I just say that I the Fred MacAuley mentioned on that page is the same Fred that I used to work with? He used to be the accountant/company secretary for my dad's company. Working with Fred was painfully funny. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:34:45 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:20 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >> >> (I thought this related article was pretty funny - tc): > > Well, in a whiny and pathetic sort of way. > Well excuse the fuck out of me for posting it. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:25:01 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs Jeff Dwarf wrote: > I was just > shocked there was only one song in the top 50 I outright > despised (and even it was #49: Hotel California), and > really not that many I hated overall. You know, funny this should come up, because I was just thinking how the Eagles are the most popular band who are also passionately hated by a hell of a lot of people*, but I think at this point it can be safely proclaimed that Limp Bizkit was absolutely the very very worst band ever to sell huge amounts of records, become omnipresent in the media, and be considered culturally significant (their Woodstock performance in particular, but the mainstream press had them as avatars of rage-rock or some revolutionary fusion of rap and rock and declared "Break Stuff" a generational anthem). They were waayyy worse than the Eagles. And yet somehow, unlike the Eagles, they just totally went away. I can't imagine any living human being sticking up for them as artistically legitimate at this point, and I bet a lot of journalists are totally embarrassed that they took LB seriously. Not as embarrassed as every single music director in Hollywood who had to have a Bizkit song on their soundtrack to make their project "hip", but pretty embarrassed. Why bring this up now? I dunno. Maybe we don't spend enough time reveling in the joy of when something sucky goes away, compared to the energy we put into bitching about it when it's front and center, suckifying everything up. So this is my warm fuzzy holiday wish for you: next time you hear the Eagles, and you feel the rage building inside you at having to hear fucking New Kid in Town for the millionth time, just sit back and think... it could have been, and perhaps very nearly was, Limp Bizkit. Merry Christmas! Hi, Mom! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:38:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs Tom Clark wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > >> (I thought this related article was pretty funny - > >> tc): > > > > Well, in a whiny and pathetic sort of way. > > Well excuse the fuck out of me for posting it. I didn't expect any sort of Spanish Inquisition? Fuck you, Natalie Jane? Take a break, driver 8? And the tap drips, dripdripdripdripdripdripdripdrip? If you need yarn for that scarf you're knitting You'll get plenty if you kill a kitten? ===== Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs Rex Broome wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > I was just shocked there was only one song in the > > top 50 I outright > > despised (and even it was #49: Hotel California), and > > really not that many I hated overall. > > You know, funny this should come up, because I was just > thinking how the Eagles are the most popular band who > are also passionately hated by a hell of a lot of > people*, but I think at this point it can be > safely proclaimed that Limp Bizkit was absolutely the > very very worst band ever to sell huge amounts of > records, become omnipresent in the media, and be > considered culturally significant (their Woodstock > performance in particular, but the mainstream press had > them as avatars of rage-rock or some revolutionary > fusion of rap and rock and declared "Break Stuff" a > generational anthem). They were waayyy worse > than the Eagles. I might argue that Linkin Park are worse, but that's really just choosing which horrible infection you want to be tortured with for several months. And there is one solo song by a former Eagle I actually like, which is really horrifyingly embarassing ("Boys of Summer" -- great video too, which may be part of why I genuinely really like the song, though I wouldn't be caught dead owning it on any album). > And yet somehow, unlike the Eagles, they just totally > went away. I can't imagine any living human being > sticking up for them as artistically legitimate at this > point, and I bet a lot of journalists are totally > embarrassed that they took LB seriously. Not as > embarrassed as every single music director in Hollywood > who had to have a Bizkit song on their soundtrack to > make their project "hip", but pretty embarrassed. And it's singerboy's own fault for then trying to play himself as having banged Britney and Christina (sorry, X-tina) and basically behaving like a dirty old man while still under the age of 30. That, and the sucking. And people remembering Faith No More. And having Aerosmith and Run-DMC come out and blow them away at the MTV awards. It's too bad you can't go back and enjoy all the career suicide the twat was committing all at once. > Why bring this up now? I dunno. Maybe we don't spend > enough time reveling in the joy of when something sucky > goes away, compared to the energy we put into bitching > about it when it's front and center, suckifying > everything up. So this is my warm fuzzy holiday wish for > you: next time you hear the Eagles, and you feel the > rage building inside you at having to hear fucking New > Kid in Town for the millionth time, just sit back and > think... it could have been, and perhaps very nearly was, > Limp Bizkit. Amen. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:55:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville > I think you'd find Tati very different from Lynch. Tati's films are > all very nearly silent, with gentle humour. You might find them a bit > slow. But I've seen Tati homages in a few films. If there's ever a > bees' nest sight gag in a movie, it's probably after Tati. > Once I saw some Tati films, it became clear to me that Benny Hill borrowed plenty from him. In fact, I recall seeing one scene in a Tati film (Traffic, maybe?) where an office's various activities (stirring coffee, clanking spoons, typing, etc.) were choreographed along with the score, which I had seen practically verbatim on Benny Hill. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:57:58 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > I was just > > shocked there was only one song in the top 50 I outright > > despised (and even it was #49: Hotel California), and > > really not that many I hated overall. > Rex came back with: > You know, funny this should come up, because I was just thinking how > the Eagles are the most popular band who are also passionately hated > by a hell of a lot of people*, but I think at this point it can be > safely proclaimed that Limp Bizkit was absolutely the very very worst > band ever to sell huge amounts of records, become omnipresent in the > media, and be considered culturally significant (their Woodstock > performance in particular, but the mainstream press had them as > avatars of rage-rock or some revolutionary fusion of rap and rock and > declared "Break Stuff" a generational anthem). They were waayyy worse > than the Eagles. The Eagles records are really, really embarrassing when you compare them to the Flying Burrito Brothers, Byrds "Sweetheart of the Rodeo", Gram Parsons GP and Grievous Angel. I wonder what their formula was in the beginning when they were first starting out? Did they purposely try to make lite "country rock" because they thought it would sell whereas the FBB Gilded Palace of Sin didn't sell squat, so why bust your hump writing great songs when crap will sell? I will give the Eagles some credit though, they did write a nice song as a tribute to Gram Parsons after he died, "My Man". Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:02:48 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs > The Eagles records are really, really embarrassing when you compare > them to > the Flying Burrito Brothers, Byrds "Sweetheart of the Rodeo", Gram > Parsons > I think of them being more akin to Poco, Firefall and groups like that. Impure descendants of the real stuff. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:22:02 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville Eb wrote: > > Once I saw some Tati films, it became clear to me that Benny Hill > borrowed plenty from him. Except that BH missed out the funny, subtle, and not-sucking elements of JT's humour. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:24:12 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs Bachman, Michael wrote: > > I will give the Eagles some credit though, they did write a nice song as a tribute > to Gram Parsons after he died, "My Man". That was nice of them, considering what he called them. (and I'm with GP on that one) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:33:51 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville >> Once I saw some Tati films, it became clear to me that Benny Hill >> borrowed plenty from him. > > Except that BH missed out the funny, subtle, and not-sucking elements > of JT's humour. > I *liked* the Tati films I saw, if that wasn't clear.... I know I've seen "Mon Oncle," "Mr. Hulot's Holiday" and "Traffic," though I can't recall many details about them now. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:47:00 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Hold me now? On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:11:33 +0100, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > wrote: > > > So has Lindy Morrison in Australia, the drummer in the Go-Betweens... >> Too bad as she was a unique drummer with an odd sense of > > timing, > > IMO that's just a polite way of saying she didn't have any Anyone who can successfully navigate "Cattle and Cane" has some sense of timing...it's in, like, five different varieties of 11/4 time, sometimes more than one simultaneously. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:13:56 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs > Bachman, Michael wrote: > > > > I will give the Eagles some credit though, they did write a nice song as a tribute > > to Gram Parsons after he died, "My Man". > > That was nice of them, considering what he called them. > > (and I'm with GP on that one) > > Stewart Yeah, but Limp Bizkit was really really bad, and the prospect that Gram might've said something really nasty about them is but one more reason to mourn his early passing. Speaking of with, it's Lennon Death Day and Jim Morrison's birthday. What would John be doing if he'd lived, and when is Jimbo gonna die for real? - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:25:26 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Hold me now? > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:11:33 +0100, Sebastian Hagedorn > wrote: > > > wrote: > > > > > So has Lindy Morrison in Australia, the drummer in the > Go-Betweens... > >> Too bad as she was a unique drummer with an odd sense of > > > timing, > > > > IMO that's just a polite way of saying she didn't have any Jeff came back with: > Anyone who can successfully navigate "Cattle and Cane" has some sense > of timing...it's in, like, five different varieties of 11/4 time, > sometimes more than one simultaneously. The current Go-Betweens drummer, Glenn Thompson, can't play Cattle and Cane live, so Grant and Robert were doing it as an acoustic number without Glen drumming. It's a different animal without Lindy's drums, but still a great song. The new double disc remastered CD of the G-Bs "Tallulah" is one of the best remastering jobs I have run across. Layers of guitars and background vocals that were buried are now clearly heard. It really sparkles. The bonus disc of outtakes on Tallulah is not as strong as the bonus disc on the double disc 16 Lovers Lane though. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:03:18 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Re: (extracting the,) Stewart wrote: >We never went to the cinema when I was you, so I was very surprised one >summer when my dad took us to the pictures three times in a row, to see: all together now: "Sometimes when I'm lonely baby..." As for "boring first half hour, but you'll love the rest", it sounds like Lord of the Rings. >until then. Picketing strikers in 1951, a few hundred marching in the >streets quietly and peacefully during the VietNam years, and that was it.> > >james, you must read (if you've not already) *We Will Not Cease*, >archibald baxter's memoir of his (and 13 others') "experiences" as world >war i conscientious objectors. forcibly removed from their new zealand >farms and shipped off to the front in belgium (with time spent in a coupla >different prisons in-between), they were then tortured mercilessly for >refusing to "serve". sounds kinda grim from that description, but it's >absolutely positively one of the five best books i've ever read -- fiction >or non-. I;ve not read it, but I know Archibald Baxter's story pretty well - his son was one of NZ's greatest poets (James K Baxter was sort of an antipodean mid-20th century William Blake. It was like he saw through reality and caught glimpses of what was moving it all, but was as down-to-earth as they come at the same time). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:17:01 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Re: (extracting the,) So is the first Renaldo & The Loaf reference on this list? - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:32:36 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > And there is one solo song by a former Eagle I actually > like, which is really horrifyingly embarassing ("Boys of > Summer" -- great video too, which may be part of why I > genuinely really like the song, though I wouldn't be caught > dead owning it on any album). I made this same confession on another mailing list a few years back and was told that the song was actually written by Mike Campbell of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers fame. Which is, I think, marginally less embarrassing than if it were a Henley original. But maybe that's just on my personal embarrassment scale. E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:05:04 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: math/rock Presenting our music critic, HAL9000 - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:59:09 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:32:36 -0800, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > I made this same confession on another mailing list a few years back > and was told that the song was actually written by Mike Campbell of Tom > Petty and the Heartbreakers fame. Which is, I think, marginally less > embarrassing than if it were a Henley original. But maybe that's just > on my personal embarrassment scale. Why would anybody be embarrassed to any degree about liking a Mike Campbell song? Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers have always been an unmitigated force for good - wonderful songs, cool performances, inteligence without pretention, always a pleasure as a live act. Or maybe it's just me who thinks all that. Plus Campbell, like Lindsey Buckingham, is a king o' the few-notes guitar solo. And for the record, "The Boys of Summer" is a Henley/Campbell co-write, though it's my understanding that it's mostly words by Henley, music by Campbell, so your correspondent was substantially right in the authorship department. I also love the song and the video. In fact, it's the rare case where the video surpasses, even transcends, the song itself. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:37:55 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: Hold me now? On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Bachman, Michael wrote: > The bonus disc of outtakes on Tallulah is not as strong as the bonus > disc on the double disc 16 Lovers Lane though. I said the same thing to someone last night and just now, I was listening to the Tallulah bonus disc again and reconsidering. The 16LL bonus tracks are great, but they're also just more Go-Betweens songs. Tallulah's second disc has some very revealing demos and radio performances, and some of the most charmingly uncharacteristic non-album songs to be found on any of the reissues. If I were wishing the band's classic lineup had stayed together longer, I'd put on the 16 Lovers Lane bonus disc. If I wanted to hear stuff that only a fan would care about but that's great anyway, I might listen to the Tallulah bonus tracks instead. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:48:04 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 07:59 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > > Why would anybody be embarrassed to any degree about liking a Mike > Campbell song? Only because it remains a Don Henley record, so if you're the type that's inclined to be embarrassed by liking a Don Henley record (which I admit I am, and I'm not usually one to feel guilty about dorky stuff I like), you've still got that to grapple with. I have no problem with Campbell, or any Heartbreaker really. > > And for the record, "The Boys of Summer" is a Henley/Campbell > co-write, though it's my understanding that it's mostly words by > Henley, music by Campbell, so your correspondent was substantially > right in the authorship department. Well, damn - I even checked that on AllMusic before sending the post. All I saw was that it said M. Campbell, but on second glance I see it actually says M. Campbell... . I assume Henley's at the other end of the ellipse. That'll teach me to use the computer in crappy light! E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:08:18 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: so I bought Spooked today... It's a really bad sign when you listen to an album a couple of times, then put on an earlier album by the same artist to remind yourself that said artist actually used to be interesting. And it has nothing to do with being all-acoustic. It's the songs, and the whole feel of the record. Where's the spark? It all sounds so tired, like he was being forced to go through the motions. It's not terrible or anything (I seem to use that phrase a lot to describe Robyn's recent output), but it just sounds like he can't be bothered to make much of an effort... and if Robyn can't be bothered, I can't be bothered either. I do have to say it's much better than Luxor - at least it feels like it's finished - but that just tells you how half-assed Luxor is. I also bought Tony Conrad's "Four Violins (1964)"... I don't know how it is is that a 40-year-old recording of a guy playing squalling, ear-splitting drones on a violin for half an hour can be so much more exciting and moving than Spooked, but it is. n. np: Element of Light ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 06:57:57 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville Eb wrote: > > I *liked* the Tati films I saw, if that wasn't clear.... no, that was clear enough. Just that Benny Hill wasn't ever remotely funny. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reaps If only it had been a Limp Bizkit or Linkin Park show.... ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Bachman, Michael wrote: > > I will give the Eagles some credit though, they did > > write a nice song as a tribute to Gram Parsons after > > he died, "My Man". > > That was nice of them, considering what he called them. > > (and I'm with GP on that one) What, pray tell, did Gram call them? (Of course, after everything Kurdt said about Pearl Spam, Eddie did wear that "K" on his heart the following week on SNL, so....) ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:58:40 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:48:04 -0800, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > > And for the record, "The Boys of Summer" is a Henley/Campbell > > co-write, though it's my understanding that it's mostly words by > > Henley, music by Campbell, so your correspondent was substantially > > right in the authorship department. > > Well, damn - I even checked that on AllMusic before sending the post. > All I saw was that it said M. Campbell, but on second glance I see it > actually says M. Campbell... . I assume Henley's at the other end of > the ellipse. That'll teach me to use the computer in crappy light! Actually, it should teach you not to rely on AMG's composer credits. AMG's pretty good ont he fact that a record exists - but their credits are random, at best - and often (by omission, as above) outright misleading. I don't know where they come from (staffers inputting shit, I suppose), but look around the site, and you'll see goofy things like one bandmember listed but not others, the same person listed multiple times, etc. etc. I shouldn't complain though - I use AMG all the time, and it's truly a herculean, gargantuan, orsonwellesian task they've taken on. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:46:16 +0200 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: REAP Teofil Peter, a 50-year-old bass player with the Romanian rock band "Compact," These days it's so embarrassing to be an American abroad... - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:52:13 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > What, pray tell, did Gram call them? "a plastic dry fuck", according to Sid Griffin: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:34:51 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: news flash! important discovery! "Our investigation of court cases indicates that there are physiological differences between boys and girls." Who knew? - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:41:41 -0500 From: bisontentacle Subject: Garage show reviewed in Guardian - ----- Forwarded message from Colin Angel ----- To: RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com From: "Colin Angel" Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:52:47 -0000 Subject: [RobynHitchcockClub] Re: Garage show reviewed in Guardian - --- In RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Angel" wrote: > > Hi, > > There is a 4 out of 5 star review of the London Garage show in > today's Guardian; > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,,1369410,00.html > > Colin Got the hang of this copy and paste stuff! Robyn Hitchcock Garage, London Adam Sweeting Thursday December 9, 2004 After 20-odd years, there's still little danger of slickness creeping into a Robyn Hitchcock performance. He spent the first few minutes trying to find some gaffer tape to fix the pick-up back on his acoustic guitar. Then he got halfway through Dylan's She Belongs to Me and stopped dead when he discovered his harmonica was in the wrong key. But since any Hitchcock show is partly about the music and partly a trek through the canyons of his mind, nobody minded much. His air of preoccupied shambolicness has become a finely-honed technique, preparing the way for the loopy logic and teasing twists of his songs. Hitchcock has now called a halt to the recent reunion of the Soft Boys, finding it too stressful and time-consuming, but Boys drummer Morris Windsor and guitarist Kimberley Rew joined him on stage anyway. Windsor's first task was to rattle some shakers and sing harmonies on Television, a whimsical ode to the addictive properties of TV featuring the unscientific chorus: "Binga-bonga-bing-bong." Rew was soon into his string-bending stride on the pulsating Adoration of the City, then he and Hitchcock played duelling guitarists in the mostly instrumental Do the Chisel. Hitchcock's catalogue is sprawling. Part of him wants to be a short story writer, judging by My Wife and My Dead Wife ("Am I the only one who sees her?") or the touching I Often Dream of Trains. There's the protest singer who announces that "the 60s never really ended, but sadly nor did the Thatcher era," before launching into Brenda's Iron Sledge. And there's cover-version Hitchcock, who loves stuff from every decade, but doesn't always judge it perfectly - for instance, a disastrous stab at Rose Royce's Love Don't Live Here Any More. Vastly more satisfactory was an encore of Up on Cripple Creek, capturing the backwoods lurch of the Band's original while Hitchcock sang it in his plain, Cambridge-geezer voice. "We'll see you again, but if not we've seen you in the past," he concluded incontrovertibly. - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #351 ********************************