From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #350 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 8 2004 Volume 13 : Number 350 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Rex Broome ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [2fs ] RE: Triplets of Belleville ["Eb" ] Re: I never lie, and I'm always right [Aaron Mandel ] Turntable question ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Turntable question [Tom Clark ] Re: Triplets of Belleville [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Turntable question [Ken Weingold ] Re: Triplets of Belleville ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Hold me now? [James Dignan ] Re: Gertrude ["A Wonderful Human Person" ] Re: Turntable question ["Michael Wells" ] RE: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: Grammys [2fs ] Re: Grammys [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Hold me now? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Triplets of Belleville [Sebastian Hagedorn ] RE: Triplets of Belleville ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Hold me now? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Triplets of Belleville ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Triplets of Belleville ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Hold me now? ["Bachman, Michael" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:57:41 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs >  There is only one Madonna song (``Like a Prayer''). And his point is? >  There is only one Earth, Wind & Fire song (``That's the Way of the > World''). And his point is? > >  There is only one Jackson 5 song (``I Want You Back''). So his point is... not gay enough? >  Number 103: ``Hot Stuff,'' Donna Summer. OK, disco rules and all, but > this is 86 spots higher than ``Stayin' Alive.'' Criminal. So yeah, that IS his point. >  Number 314: ``Comfortably Numb,'' Pink Floyd. What, none of these > Rolling Stone writers smoked pot in the '70s? This, and the fact that > they put ``Wish You Were Here'' two spots later, reeks of ``Hey, uh, > guys . . . we forgot to include Pink Floyd. Quick, jam something in > there!'' Hmmmm... >  Number 257: ``Wild Thing,'' the Troggs. This song should be outlawed. Whaaaaa? >The rest of the list goes something like this: >Bob Dylan, Beatles, >Beatles, Bob Dylan, Rolling Stones, Rolling >Stones, Glen Campbell, Bob >Dylan. Campbell actually did make the list -- >twice! Which is two more >than Pearl Jam. You figure that. Well... that tallies with my own ratio of Glen Campbell Records : Pearl Jam ones (2 : 0) Is this guy actually arguing that Rolling Stone's list is not pedestrian and mainstream *enough*? - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:13:02 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:57:41 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: > >  Number 314: ``Comfortably Numb,'' Pink Floyd. What, none of these > > Rolling Stone writers smoked pot in the '70s? This, and the fact that > > they put ``Wish You Were Here'' two spots later, reeks of ``Hey, uh, > > guys . . . we forgot to include Pink Floyd. I'd have to say they forgot stuff *because* they smoked a lot of pot in the '70s. > >  Number 257: ``Wild Thing,'' the Troggs. This song should be outlawed. > > Whaaaaa? As head of the National Ocarina Fanciers' League, I must protest! > Is this guy actually arguing that Rolling Stone's list is not > pedestrian and mainstream *enough*? Well see that's the problem: if you don't bother defining "great," you end up with a bunch of me-too-istic comments from people who want all their favorite songs included. After all, w/no recognized criteria, why *shouldn't* "Me and You and a Dog Named Boo" be on there? (Maybe it is. Certainly it's a better song than "Spiders and Snakes.") - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:52:29 -0800 From: "Eb" Subject: RE: Triplets of Belleville Well, I watched about a half-hour...I saw ugly animation, a guy with grotesquely muscled legs being massaged with a rolling pin by his mother, the same guy glumly slurping some foul gray mush which looked like landfill.... Nothing happened beyond further establishing the character's misery.... I couldn't take it anymore. Is like that throughout the whole movie, or is it a "Charlie Bucket" thing where the characters' horrible lives are wonderfully transformed later? Eb - -----Original Message----- Dude! Try watching it again because it's fantastic! So...fresh! It's one of those rare movies I rented and actually watched twice before returning. I'd definitely give it a 19 or 20 on the eb-scale assuming I was allowed to use the eb-scale. I can't remember a recent movie exciting me more than this one. Maybe the anti-American sentiments offended you? Maybe it was just the Frenchiness, but it reminded me of what an animated Jean-Pierre Jeunet film would look like. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: I never lie, and I'm always right On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > I'm kind of dubious about being dubbed the Queen of Indie-Rock, though - > for one thing, I don't like Pavement, which I should think would be de > rigeur for someone with such a title. Also, I always thought the > indie-rock crown should go to Aaron Mandel. (I mean, he writes for > Pitchfork now, for god's sake... you can't get indie-er than that...) Nothing is more indie-rock than claiming not to be an indie-rocker. You can't get off the hook that easily. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:00:25 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville It gets way better after the first 30 minutes, although you need to see them to understand why Champion's dog barks at trains. The whole pace changes when the action moves to Belleville itself. Me, I compare it to animated Tati. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 18:02:52 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Turntable question I always figure this is the place to ask these questions. I just got a new stylus for my B&O turntable. My problem is my receiver doesn't have a phono input, I have a phono preamp but no place to put the ground. Anyone know where I should run the ground? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:19:07 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Turntable question On Dec 7, 2004, at 3:02 PM, Maximilian Lang wrote: > I always figure this is the place to ask these questions. I just got > a new stylus for my B&O turntable. My problem is my receiver doesn't > have a phono input, I have a phono preamp but no place to put the > ground. Anyone know where I should run the ground? > > Drive a large metal rod through the floor of your listening area, far enough so it enters the Earth for at least four feet. Attach your grounding wire to the rod. - -tc p.s. Watch out for underground gas lines and water pipes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:27:06 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville - -- "Stewart C. Russell" is rumored to have mumbled on Dienstag, 7. Dezember 2004 17:00:25 Uhr MEZ -0500 regarding Re: Triplets of Belleville: > Me, I compare it to animated Tati. That sums it up quite nicely. Both are not quite my favorite kind of humor, but they are special enough to be very enjoyable. It took me some time to get it, however. My parents took me to see one of their favorite movies, "Les vacances de M. Hulot", when I was around 11 or 12. I just didn't get the humor at all, much to their disappointment! Eb, I was put off by the style of the animation as well, but that's what it's all about. It' very much different from what you normally see. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn EhrenfeldgC Subject: Re: Turntable question On Tue, Dec 7, 2004, Maximilian Lang wrote: > I always figure this is the place to ask these questions. I just got a new > stylus for my B&O turntable. My problem is my receiver doesn't have a > phono input, I have a phono preamp but no place to put the ground. Anyone > know where I should run the ground? Attach the ground wire to something metal that's plugged in. My Denon receiver has a phono preamp and ground. The ground is essentially a screw sticking out the back with a plastic screw-on cap to hold down the ground wire you've wrapped around the screw. When I had my turntable in my room for my computer, I connected the ground wire underneath one of the screws in the back of the metal case of my old PC. Loosened the screw a bit, wrapped the wire around it, then tightened it back in. Hope this helps. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:44:19 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Turntable question On Tue, Dec 7, 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > Drive a large metal rod through the floor of your listening area, far > enough so it enters the Earth for at least four feet. Attach your > grounding wire to the rod. > > -tc > > p.s. Watch out for underground gas lines and water pipes. As well as your downstairs neighbors. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:32:05 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > My parents took me to see one of their favorite > movies, "Les vacances de M. Hulot", when I was around 11 or 12. I just > didn't get the humor at all, much to their disappointment! Ah, so we're both children of Tati fans! We never went to the cinema when I was you, so I was very surprised one summer when my dad took us to the pictures three times in a row, to see: * M.Hulot's Holiday * Postman School/Jour de Fete * Mon Oncle These are now some of my favourite films. I only remember liking Mon Oncle at the time Tati wasn't always perfect - "Parade" was dreadful, "Traffic" only good in parts - but he's one of the reasons that nearly all of my favourite films seem to be French. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:53:43 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Hold me now? >This just leaves the Smiths and Thompson Twins? 1/3 of the Thompson Twins has been too busy being a political activist here in NZ. And since her split-up with Tom it may be even less likely. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:05:20 -0800 (PST) From: "A Wonderful Human Person" Subject: Re: Gertrude zz top? i wouldn't go that far, but i do think that *OK Computer* is the only great album. however, their live act is pretty near second-to-none. thom yorke and ian gillan are the only male vocalists that can bring tears to my eyes. (but with yorke, i think it's more a combination of the voice and the music -- and it only works when listening to boots, never rekkids.) james, you must read (if you've not already) *We Will Not Cease*, archibald baxter's memoir of his (and 13 others') "experiences" as world war i conscientious objectors. forcibly removed from their new zealand farms and shipped off to the front in belgium (with time spent in a coupla different prisons in-between), they were then tortured mercilessly for refusing to "serve". sounds kinda grim from that description, but it's absolutely positively one of the five best books i've ever read -- fiction or non-. not as separate entities. honestly hadn't crossed my mind. but that's why he's got his own label, no? (well, i guess he didn't have until '99. but i don't think he's ever have a problem getting records released.) well, warners allowed him to self-release *Star For Bram*. look, i'm not saying he's a bad person or anything. just saying that the well has run dry (and, now, the voice is shot). and that it apparently *had* run dry by the mid-'90s, but that it was easy, during the late-'90s, to not notice the fact. in the immortal words of michael stipe: "So if one were to recognize that [one was] starting to suck [at one's chosen field of endeavour], then I think it's up to you to kind of pull back and either change that or find a second career." the following was posed to me just a few minutes ago: "you've been swearing a bit today." couldn't deny it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:03:22 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Turntable question > I always figure this is the place to ask these questions. I just got > a new stylus for my B&O turntable. My problem is my receiver doesn't > have a phono input, I have a phono preamp but no place to put the > ground. Anyone know where I should run the ground? If you have a Dolph nearby, try using that. He's extremely well-grounded. Michael "electricity jokes are the best" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:54:53 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs Rex wrote: > >The rest of the list goes something like this: >Bob Dylan, Beatles, > >Beatles, Bob Dylan, Rolling Stones, Rolling >Stones, Glen Campbell, Bob > >Dylan. Campbell actually did make the list -- >twice! Which is two more > >than Pearl Jam. You figure that. > > Well... that tallies with my own ratio of Glen Campbell Records : > Pearl Jam ones (2 : 0) Has Robyn ever done a cover of "Rhinestone Cowboy"? If he hasn't, he probably should. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:25:12 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Grammys I just like that Elvis Costello, Prince and Josh Groban are all nominated in the same category. ;) Eb (and gooooooooo, Brian!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:34:57 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Grammys On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:25:12 -0800, Eb wrote: > I just like that Elvis Costello, Prince and Josh Groban are all > nominated in the same category. ;) What's Josh Groban, and what should I do if I contract it? - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:35:55 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Grammys On Dec 8, 2004, at 12:25 AM, Eb wrote: > I just like that Elvis Costello, Prince and Josh Groban are all > nominated in the same category. ;) Not only that, but Elvis is nominated in FOUR categories! - -Steve (woo!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:00:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Hold me now? James Dignan wrote: > >This just leaves the Smiths and Thompson Twins? > > 1/3 of the Thompson Twins has been too busy being a > political activist here in NZ. And since her split-up > with Tom it may be even less likely. > > Though since it sounds friendly, I'd still say it's more likely than The Smiths, especially since Morrissey wrote "Sorrow will come in the end" about Mike Joyce (a song so potentially libellous, they wouldn't release it in the UK). ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:20:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs Tom Clark wrote: > Here we go again.... > > > > (I thought this related article was pretty funny - tc): Well, in a whiny and pathetic sort of way. > `Best songs' list shows its age > > By Tony Hicks > Knight Ridder > [snip] > > What's wrong with this list > >  Age: Apparently, there are no Rolling Stone writers > under the age of 70. If you're going to criticize such a list, you should at least find out what their methodology for compiling it was first (Namely, a poll of various musicians, producers, execs, in addition to the currect RS staff). Almost 200 people in total. The rest of it was just a bunch of bitching about how his list would have been different. So what -- the only song from my personal top 10 in the top 100 were "Tangled Up in Blue" (68) and "Strawberry Fields Forever" (76). I was just shocked there was only one song in the top 50 I outright despised (and even it was #49: Hotel California), and really not that many I hated overall. Plus, it's just amusing to read that Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top's personal top 10 list includes a Depeche Mode song ("Personal Jesus"). And of course, the ego of some of the lists -- Ray Manzarek probably had to restrain himself to only have "Light My Fire" at number 6 and Brian Wilson's top 10 was practically all his own songs. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:46:40 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville Hi, - --On Dienstag, 7. Dezember 2004 19:32:05 Uhr MEZ -0500 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> >> My parents took me to see one of their favorite >> movies, "Les vacances de M. Hulot", when I was around 11 or 12. I just >> didn't get the humor at all, much to their disappointment! > > Ah, so we're both children of Tati fans! seems that way. > We never went to the cinema when I was you, Hmm, I must've missed when that happened ;-) > Tati wasn't always perfect - "Parade" was dreadful, I don't even know that one. > "Traffic" only good > in parts Agreed. >- but he's one of the reasons that nearly all of my favourite > films seem to be French. But not all Freench films are the same! At the time when my parents attempted to introduce me to the subtle humor of Jacques Tati, I was a fervent fan of the no-holds-barred approach of Louis de FunC(s. He's probably (even) less known than Tati abroad, but he's not unlike Jerry Lewis, whom I used to love as well. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:39:00 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> We never went to the cinema when I was you, > > Hmm, I must've missed when that happened ;-) Well, I am not me, after all. (or a typo for 'young') Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:49:39 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Triplets of Belleville > -----Original Message----- > From: Stewart C. Russell [mailto:scruss@sympatico.ca] > It gets way better after the first 30 minutes, although you > need to see > them to understand why Champion's dog barks at trains. > > The whole pace changes when the action moves to Belleville > itself. Me, I > compare it to animated Tati. I just picked up and watched last night the DVD of "Wild At Heart", the David Lynch movie from 1990 that won the award at Cannes that year. In the bonus features Lynch mentioned that in one of the scenes in the background, he put a man walking past caring a long red pipe as a nod to Tati. The pipe was originally white, but Lynch started filming the scene only after the pipe was painted red. Can anyone comment on why this would be a nod to Tati? I have heard about him, but have not viewed any of Tati's films. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:56:04 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Triplets of Belleville Hallo Bachman, Michael, - --On Mittwoch, 8. Dezember 2004 8:49:39 Uhr MEZ -0500 "Bachman, Michael" wrote: > In the bonus features Lynch mentioned that in one of the scenes in the > background, he put a man walking past caring a long red pipe as a nod > to Tati. The pipe was originally white, but Lynch started filming the > scene only after the pipe was painted red. > > Can anyone comment on why this would be a nod to Tati? I have > heard about him, but have not viewed any of Tati's films. He's usually smoking a pipe in his films. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:04:55 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville On Wed, Dec 8, 2004, Bachman, Michael wrote: > I just picked up and watched last night the DVD of "Wild At Heart", > the David Lynch movie from 1990 that won the award at Cannes that year. > In the bonus features Lynch mentioned that in one of the scenes in the > background, he put a man walking past caring a long red pipe as a nod > to Tati. The pipe was originally white, but Lynch started filming the > scene only after the pipe was painted red. How is the DVD? Any good stuff on it, besides the movie? I loved it when it came out, right from the opening scene of Cage smashing the guy's head into the marble floor. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:08:24 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Hold me now? > -----Original Message----- > From: James Dignan [mailto:grutness@slingshot.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:54 PM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Hold me now? > > > >This just leaves the Smiths and Thompson Twins? > > 1/3 of the Thompson Twins has been too busy being a political > activist here in NZ. And since her split-up with Tom it may be even > less likely. So has Lindy Morrison in Australia, the drummer in the Go-Betweens from 1981-1990. I think she just got elected to some political post. Robert and Grant never included her in the reformed G-B's due to past problems with royalties (that claimed she was owed) and personal conflicts. Too bad as she was a unique drummer with an odd sense of timing, but it really seemed to fit in with the sound of the band, especially in a song like Cattle and Cain. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:25:21 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Triplets of Belleville Bachman, Michael wrote: > > ... Lynch mentioned that in one of the scenes in the > background, he put a man walking past caring a long red pipe as a nod > to Tati. Like a long red piece of plastic drainpipe, or somesuch? In Mon Oncle, Hulot's (Tati's character) brother-in-law works in a very modern plastic pipe factory. It's always shown with very efficient people walking about with very straight, very brightly coloured plastic pipe sections. When Hulot and his nephew visit, things go wrong, and the pipes start coming out bent out of shape. I think you'd find Tati very different from Lynch. Tati's films are all very nearly silent, with gentle humour. You might find them a bit slow. But I've seen Tati homages in a few films. If there's ever a bees' nest sight gag in a movie, it's probably after Tati. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:33:06 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Triplets of Belleville > On Wed, Dec 8, 2004, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > I just picked up and watched last night the DVD of "Wild At Heart", > > the David Lynch movie from 1990 that won the award at > Cannes that year. > > In the bonus features Lynch mentioned that in one of the > scenes in the > > background, he put a man walking past caring a long red > pipe as a nod > > to Tati. The pipe was originally white, but Lynch started > filming the > > scene only after the pipe was painted red. > Ken came back with: > How is the DVD? Any good stuff on it, besides the movie? I loved it > when it came out, right from the opening scene of Cage smashing the > guy's head into the marble floor. I didn't explore all the bonus features, but the interviews are informative. In addition to Lynch, it's got Cage, Laura Dern, Willem Dafoe, J.E. Freeman and Diane Ladd interviews. 1990 was certainly the year for J.E. Freeman to play badass menacing heavies with his roles in Wild at Heart and Miller's Crossing. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:46:35 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Triplets of Belleville > Bachman, Michael wrote: > > > > ... Lynch mentioned that in one of the scenes in the > > background, he put a man walking past caring a long red > pipe as a nod > > to Tati. Stewart C. Russell retorted: > Like a long red piece of plastic drainpipe, or somesuch? > > In Mon Oncle, Hulot's (Tati's character) brother-in-law works > in a very > modern plastic pipe factory. It's always shown with very efficient > people walking about with very straight, very brightly > coloured plastic > pipe sections. > > When Hulot and his nephew visit, things go wrong, and the pipes start > coming out bent out of shape. > > I think you'd find Tati very different from Lynch. Tati's > films are all > very nearly silent, with gentle humour. You might find them a > bit slow. > But I've seen Tati homages in a few films. If there's ever a > bees' nest > sight gag in a movie, it's probably after Tati. > > Stewart Yeah, it was a long red piece of plastic drainpipe, probably 10-12 feet long. I'll check out Mon Oncle. I love French films anyway, especially Godard and New Wave, so it won't be a stretch for me. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:11:33 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Hold me now? Hi, - --On Mittwoch, 8. Dezember 2004 9:08:24 Uhr MEZ -0500 "Bachman, Michael" wrote: > So has Lindy Morrison in Australia, the drummer in the Go-Betweens > from 1981-1990. I think she just got elected to some political post. > Robert and Grant never included her in the reformed G-B's due to past > problems with royalties (that claimed she was owed) and personal > conflicts. Too bad as she was a unique drummer with an odd sense of > timing, IMO that's just a polite way of saying she didn't have any ... it was just horrible when they opened for R.E.M. during the Green tour. > but it really seemed to fit in with the sound of the band, > especially in a song like Cattle and Cain. Actually she was replaced by a drum machine on many of their recordings. It even says so on ?? Lovers Lane (can't remember the number). - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:48:38 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Hold me now? > -----Original Message----- > From: Sebastian Hagedorn [mailto:Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:12 AM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Hold me now? > > > Hi, > > --On Mittwoch, 8. Dezember 2004 9:08:24 Uhr MEZ -0500 > "Bachman, Michael" > wrote: > > > So has Lindy Morrison in Australia, the drummer in the Go-Betweens > > from 1981-1990. I think she just got elected to some political post. > > Robert and Grant never included her in the reformed G-B's > due to past > > problems with royalties (that claimed she was owed) and personal > > conflicts. Too bad as she was a unique drummer with an odd sense of > > timing, Sebastian came back with: > IMO that's just a polite way of saying she didn't have any > ... it was just > horrible when they opened for R.E.M. during the Green tour. I don't have any live recordings from that tour, but I do from other tours when they were the headliner, and she was fine. The band was going thru some traumatic times by the 1989 Green tour, and broke up shortly afterword during the aborted studio sessions for the follow-up to 16 Lovers Lane. > > but it really seemed to fit in with the sound of the band, > > especially in a song like Cattle and Cain. Sebastian came back with: > Actually she was replaced by a drum machine on many of their > recordings. It even says so on ?? Lovers Lane (can't remember the number). She was absent during much of the recording of 16 Lovers Lane due to her father's terminal illness, thus the drum machine. I am sure other drummers went thru the drum machine whims of various producers during the 80's as well. Michael B. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #350 ********************************