From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #349 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 7 2004 Volume 13 : Number 349 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: itunes [Ken Weingold ] Re: Belleville [steve ] Re: Belleville ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Belleville [Ken Weingold ] Re: itunes [bisontentacle ] [bot-easytree-org] NEW on EZT: Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians May 1993 Asbury Park, NJ aud master (flac) [] Woooow [Eb ] Re: itunes [Ken Weingold ] RE: itunes ["Eb" ] Re: 20/20 vs. Matthew Shepard [2fs ] Re: Garage Days Re-Visited ["A Wonderful Human Person" ] Re: Garage Days Re-Visited [2fs ] Thank god for larry king [Mike Swedene ] I never lie, and I'm always right ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Re: Biting the bait and old bands that don't suck ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr."] Toast is happening again... [2and2makes5@comcast.net] Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs [Tom Clark ] Triplets of Belleville ["Shane Apple" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:55:29 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: itunes On Mon, Dec 6, 2004, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Ken Weingold wrote: > > > > * it's expensive. > > > > I think so too, but I live in NYC. If I lived in Nowhere, USA, where > > CDs at most stores were between $15 and $20, I would find it a good > > deal. And even moreso in Canada, where each song is something like > > US$.82. > > Is the high price of CDs at bricks-and-mortar stores even an issue anymore > with mail order from the likes of Amazon, B&N, and cheap-cds.com? Well I see stores like Tower and Virgin are still pretty busy. So I guess people still shop there. - -Ken ps: Please don't do group replies. I don't need two copies of emails.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:09:15 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Belleville On Dec 6, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Eb wrote: > I tried to watch that on cable, about a week ago. Had to turn it off > after about a half-hour. God, what a repellent film. Did they go frog hunting in the first half hour? Anyway, you can still get the cheap full screen version of My Neighbor Totoro. http://tinyurl.com/4k7ql - - Steve __________ The Bush/Nixon bond is a most peculiar union, given the immense class gap between the Man from Whittier and the would-be dynasty in Kennebunkport. And yet there's an important similarity between them after all. Despite the Bush clan's vast advantage, that crew is, oddly, just as thin-skinned and resentful as the Trickster. Like him, they never forget a slight, and always feel themselves impaired; and so-like Nixon-they tend to favor The Attack. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:16:27 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Belleville Ken Weingold wrote: > >>* it lists lots of artists, but has no tracks for them. > Click the Browse button at the top right. That's what I did -- but clicking the artist really does return no tracks for some artists. >>* the burning disc/playlist interaction is confusing. > Oh, you just have to look in the docs. C'mon, I thought the central tenet of the whole Mac thing was "Don't Make Me Think"! I didn't even know that iTunes had docs. >>* the burnt discs have no CD-TEXT (c'mon, it's easy to do!) > I don't know what that is. The CD contains artist and track information that CD players can display. It seems to be mostly car CD players that can do this, but most CD-ROM drives can pull this data out an use it. > And even moreso in Canada, where each song is something like > US$.82. It's still expensive at that. emusic has a better range, and costs US$0.25/track. My local CD store is in no danger of being put out of business by iTunes. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:47:20 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Belleville On Mon, Dec 6, 2004, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >>* it lists lots of artists, but has no tracks for them. > >Click the Browse button at the top right. > > That's what I did -- but clicking the artist really does return no > tracks for some artists. Oh, I don't know then. I don't really use that much. Sorry. > >>* the burning disc/playlist interaction is confusing. > >Oh, you just have to look in the docs. > > C'mon, I thought the central tenet of the whole Mac thing was "Don't > Make Me Think"! I didn't even know that iTunes had docs. Ah. Well for the most part that's true, but there are things you have to look for sometimes. > >>* the burnt discs have no CD-TEXT (c'mon, it's easy to do!) > >I don't know what that is. > > The CD contains artist and track information that CD players can > display. It seems to be mostly car CD players that can do this, but most > CD-ROM drives can pull this data out an use it. Oh, again that's something I never used. You should submit feedback about it. Apparently they rellay do listen. > > And even moreso in Canada, where each song is something like > >US$.82. > > It's still expensive at that. emusic has a better range, and costs > US$0.25/track. Better range for you, certainly. But eMusic only has indie labels, right? I don't think that's Apple's target audience, nor the RIAA's target. So the iTMS doesn't meet your needs. It doesn't meet mine, for the most part, either. But for the average music customer, I think it works VERY well and certainly doesn't suck. I use the store often simply for reference, but have rarely bought anything from it. I still have some money left over from a gift certificate I received last year because I don't really buy much there. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:20:20 -0500 From: bisontentacle Subject: Re: itunes one time at band camp, Ken Weingold (bofh@unix.vi) said: >ps: Please don't do group replies. I don't need two copies of >emails.... is that you, Eb? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:28:57 -0500 From: bisontentacle Subject: [bot-easytree-org] NEW on EZT: Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians May 1993 Asbury Park, NJ aud master (flac) http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=17115&hit=1 - ----- Forwarded message from EZT ----- A new torrent has been uploaded to EZT. Torrent: 17115 Title: Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians May 1993 Asbury Park, NJ aud master (flac) Size: 615.60 MB Category: Club Rock Uploaded by: carville Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a great Egyptians show from May 1993. Noone seems to remember the date, so if anyone has any info on that, please post a comment. I got the cds from the taper, eac'd and flac'd them and present them to you all here at easytree. I don't have any immediate plans for more RH stuff at the moment, so if you have some shows you recorded, please post them. If you have some that you recorded and want to share so I can seed them, please get in touch. C - ------------------ Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians late May of 1993 The Fast Lane, Asbury Park, NJ, USA Last show of U.S. Respect tour Audience recording. These CDs mastered directly from the MASTER. Original recording: Sony D-6 analog cassette w/Sony "T" Stereo mic. Transfered from Onyo TA-2058>Numark 10 band EQ>Sony Minidisc recorder> Pioneer stand alone Audio cd burner (via opticalcable). Some inbetween moments have been edited due to intrusive crowd noise. This was done to make this a more pleasurable listen. Disc One: 1. Intro 2. More Talk 3. Drving Aloud (Radio Storm) 4. Talk 5. Chineese Bones 6. Talk 7. The Yip Song 8. Talk 9. Queen Elvis 10. The Rabbit Train (performed with opening act) 11. Arms Of Love 12. Airscape 13. She Said, She Said (Lennon & McCartney) 14. Vegitation and Dimes 15. Oceanside 16. Serpent At The Gates Of Wisdom 17. A Globe Of Frogs 18. Only The Stones Remain 19. The Moon Inside Disc 2: 1. I Got A Message For You (solo, acoustic) 2. City Of Shame (solo, electric) 3. Wafflehead 4. The Wreck Of The Arthur Lee 5. Egyptian Cream 6. Talk 7. Kung Fu Fighting - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can use the URL below to download the torrent (you may have to login). http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=17115&hit=1 Take care! easytree.org - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:28:15 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Woooow http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4056272834 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:37:59 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: itunes On Mon, Dec 6, 2004, bisontentacle wrote: > one time at band camp, Ken Weingold (bofh@unix.vi) said: > > >ps: Please don't do group replies. I don't need two copies of > >emails.... > > is that you, Eb? Can we now talk about top posting? >:) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:31:25 -0800 From: "Eb" Subject: RE: itunes Everyone's ripping off my act, man. Eb Currently loving: Bjork/Medulla - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of bisontentacle Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:20 PM To: fgz Subject: Re: itunes one time at band camp, Ken Weingold (bofh@unix.vi) said: >ps: Please don't do group replies. I don't need two copies of >emails.... is that you, Eb? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:39:30 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: 20/20 vs. Matthew Shepard On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:35:24 -0800, Tom Clark wrote: > > December 5, 2004 > FRANK RICH > > The Nascar Nightly News: Anchorman Get Your Gun > provincial obsession with their hues. Nonetheless, Mr. Williams, who > officially took over as anchor on Dec. 2, is seeking a very specific > mandate. "The New York-Washington axis can be a journalist's worst > enemy," he told Mr. Johnson, promising to spend his nights in the field > in "Dayton Which went for Kerry*... > and Toledo Which went for Kerry*... > and Cincinnati Bush*... > and Denver Kerry*, in a landslide * votes by county, following links from this page - - I couldn't find just the cities themselves...although if I had, the general trend was that urban areas went for Kerry. So much for the great "red state world" theory. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:00:24 -0800 From: "A Wonderful Human Person" Subject: Re: Garage Days Re-Visited i should clarify. i don't think robyn started sucking because he broke up the band (hell, my two fave robyn hitchcock albums are *Moss Elixir* and *I Often Dream Of Trains*). i think he started sucking because he got old. *Suxor* was shockingly bad. but in retrospect, the clues were there. roughly an album per year from 1977 until 1993 -- all of them stellar, a "lost" album, some live albums, two collections of accumulated material. since 1993, four albums of new material -- only two of them stellar, a live album, an album of covers, and (we have since learnt) an *Invisible*-type collection of accumulated material (*Suxor*). the decline was masked by the greatness of the first post-egyptians album, the continued greatness of the live act all the way up through 2002, the greatness of the movie, the euphoria (and greatness) of the soft boys reunion, and the fun times (and greatness) of the rock armada and grant lee hitchcock tours. meanwhile, imagine my surprise, after somehow having taped tavis smiley instead of charlie rose the other night, at hearing michael stipe pontificating thusly: "So if one were to recognize that the music is starting to suck, then I think it's up to you to kind of pull back and either change that or find a second career." . KEN "I'm gonna have a fuckin' bowl of soup, right now" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:22:29 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Garage Days Re-Visited On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:00:24 -0800, A Wonderful Human Person wrote: > i should clarify. i don't think robyn started sucking because he broke up > the band (hell, my two fave robyn hitchcock albums are *Moss Elixir* and *I > Often Dream Of Trains*). i think he started sucking because he got old. > > *Suxor* was shockingly bad. but in retrospect, the clues were there. > roughly an album per year from 1977 until 1993 -- all of them stellar, a > "lost" album, some live albums, two collections of accumulated material. > since 1993, four albums of new material -- only two of them stellar, a live > album, an album of covers, and (we have since learnt) an *Invisible*-type > collection of accumulated material (*Suxor*). So you're not counting _A Star for Bram_ or _Mossy Liquor_? You don't suppose his reduced productivity had anything to do with his no longer having a record contract, do you? Not to mention that, over the last decade or two, record companies generally have been putting more and more distance between releases, since there are so many more of them, so they can finish promoting one batch before the next batch comes out. Still 'n' all, and even though I don't think he's started sucking utterly (because I like _Spooked_, and I liked the SB reunion material), it is true that _Luxor_ has only a couple of good tracks, and _Robyn Sings_ is pretty much holding action. But then, I may be saying this because, in fact, I am old. Not as haggard (and I don't mean Merle) and doddering as Ol' Man Hitchcock, granted - but I'd hate to think people think I'm gonna suck just because I'm getting old. Then again, maybe I've just sucked all along. Sigh... - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Thank god for larry king last 5 minutes of his program.... yet the decline of another 80's band... MOTLEY CRUE is back touring the states. This just leaves the Smiths and Thompson Twins? mike ===== - ------------------------------------------------- "there is water at the bottom of the ocean" - talking heads _________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:51:40 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: I never lie, and I'm always right >Or at least my parrot, he can definitely have my parrot. Given Loki's propensity for bloodshed, this is something of a backhanded compliment... (I still have the scar on my finger from where Loki bit me two years ago.) >Now, if in your arena rock contempt, you'd refuse to make Brother >Bono a tin-foil starving Ethiopian; now, that would break my heart. Actually, since all of my sculptures are sort of anorexic-looking anyway, that'd be pretty easy... and if Bono ever asks me for a sculpture, I'll make him one. I'm kind of dubious about being dubbed the Queen of Indie-Rock, though - for one thing, I don't like Pavement, which I should think would be de rigeur for someone with such a title. Also, I always thought the indie-rock crown should go to Aaron Mandel. (I mean, he writes for Pitchfork now, for god's sake... you can't get indie-er than that...) >Meanwhile Nat is right about most things. Hi,, Nat. You were in a dream I >had a few nights ago. Uh-oh... Oh, here is photographic evidence of Wilco tinfoil sculpture action: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/daylightsparks/nat-jeff2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/daylightsparks/nat-glenn2.jpg I like how incredibly unenthused Jeff Tweedy looks in that first photo... I swear to god I did not coerce him into posing for it. Also note his cool Peter Bagge T-shirt. n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:34:28 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: I never lie, and I'm always right On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:51:40 -0800, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Oh, here is photographic evidence of Wilco tinfoil sculpture action: > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/daylightsparks/nat-jeff2.jpg > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/daylightsparks/nat-glenn2.jpg I did not know the Wilco guys were so tall! ;-) - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:02:31 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Biting the bait and old bands that don't suck > From: The Great Quail > Subject: Biting the bait and old bands that don't suck > >>>> It was nice to >>>> see what's left of Neutral Milk Hotel playing on deck of the HMS >>>> Surprise, however. >> >> That's something I refer to as "Quail Bait." Guess he hasn't taken it >> yet. > > I saw it dangling there, but I assumed I was hallucinating again.... > But now > that it's out, "What?!" Well, I remembered how you enjoyed "Master and Commander" and nearly fell out of my seat during the scene with the sailors playing music on the deck, thinking it was NMH. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:15:00 +0000 From: 2and2makes5@comcast.net Subject: Toast is happening again... For your temporary diversion/deletion: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19270&item=5541287699&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1467&item=5541802395&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW I guess everytime there is a big "ghost" auction, toast follows. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:21:25 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Rolling Stone's 500 Best Songs Here we go again.... http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6596661/500songs (I thought this related article was pretty funny - tc): `Best songs' list shows its age By Tony Hicks Knight Ridder Rolling Stone magazine has put Bob Dylan's ``Like a Rolling Stone'' at the top of its list of the 500 greatest songs of all time, which was published Friday. They wish. Disclaimer alert: Such lists mean absolutely nothing. There's no mathematical formula based on sales, spins, notes, chords or the strength of the drugs the artists had or hadn't taken while recording. These are totally subjective decisions made by a bunch of writers and editors. So invite people over and argue until you can't talk. Sever friendships, get divorced, write the kids out of the will. But in the long run, none of it matters. Because we're all right. And we're all wrong. But really -- what were these people thinking? The rest of their Top 10: The Rolling Stones come in second with ``Satisfaction.'' (The Rolling Stones follow ``Like a Rolling Stone'' for Rolling Stone magazine. Hmmm. OK.) Third is John Lennon's ``Imagine.'' Fourth is Marvin Gaye's ``What's Going On,'' followed by Aretha Franklin's ``Respect.'' Which isn't as good as Otis Redding's original, but OK. I wouldn't tell Aretha Franklin that. She's a big woman. Then comes the Beach Boys' ``Good Vibrations,'' a good song, but not Top 10. Not even Top 30. Seventh is Chuck Berry's ``Johnny B. Goode,'' which only pretty much started this whole rock `n' roll thing. Then comes ``Hey Jude.'' Paul McCartney closes his shows with this. People cry. The Rolling Stone staffers probably raise their lighters. Fine. Nirvana's ``Smells Like Teen Spirit'' is ninth, which is acceptable. Ray Charles' ``What'd I Say,'' is 10th, indicating that the Rolling Stone staff wrote this minutes after weeping through a free sneak preview of the new Ray Charles movie. Suckers. The rest of the list goes something like this: Bob Dylan, Beatles, Beatles, Bob Dylan, Rolling Stones, Rolling Stones, Glen Campbell, Bob Dylan. Campbell actually did make the list -- twice! Which is two more than Pearl Jam. You figure that one out. But instead of picking apart this list until we either die or run out of newsprint, I'll now hit some highlights/lowlights, and you can pretend that you think I'm right. What's wrong with this list  Age: Apparently, there are no Rolling Stone writers under the age of 70.  Lack of clear criteria: Are we talking the most influential songs? The best songs? Or simply the songs rock critics think make them look good?  More on ageism: Somehow Rolling Stone wants us to believe that borderline one-hit wonders in the '50s and '60s were infinitely better than one-hit wonders of the '80s, '90s and 2000s. In other words, Dexy's Midnight Runners took it in the shorts.  There is only one Madonna song (``Like a Prayer'').  There is only one Earth, Wind & Fire song (``That's the Way of the World'').  There is only one Jackson 5 song (``I Want You Back''). And there's more  No. 15: ``London Calling,'' the Clash. Of course it's good, but it's also possibly the most overrated song on this list. I realize, to be cool, you have to consider the Clash nothing short of genius. But not that genius.  Number 18: ``Maybellene,'' Chuck Berry. OK, we already paid tribute. He was a trailblazer, but he really just wrote that one song -- over and over and over. Bump ``Johnny B. Goode'' to No. 1 and let's move on with our lives.  Number 70: ``Walk On By,'' Dionne Warwick. Above ``California Girls,'' ``Summertime Blues,'' ``Superstition'' and ``Whole Lotta Love''?  Number 103: ``Hot Stuff,'' Donna Summer. OK, disco rules and all, but this is 86 spots higher than ``Stayin' Alive.'' Criminal.  Number 158: ``Rock Around the Clock,'' Bill Haley & the Comets. Worth a far better spot than this. Maybe I just watched too much ``Happy Days'' growing up, but listen to that guitar.  Number 200: ``Loser,'' Beck. Yeah, yeah, this was cute. He's a loser, kill him, blah blah. He break-dances and he's white. But if one feels the need to represent Beck on a best song list, surely one can do better than this song.  Number 314: ``Comfortably Numb,'' Pink Floyd. What, none of these Rolling Stone writers smoked pot in the '70s? This, and the fact that they put ``Wish You Were Here'' two spots later, reeks of ``Hey, uh, guys . . . we forgot to include Pink Floyd. Quick, jam something in there!''  Number 257: ``Wild Thing,'' the Troggs. This song should be outlawed.  Number 340: ``Baba O'Riley,'' the Who. Arguably the most powerful guitar riff ever, and it comes this late? That's almost as silly as . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:53:15 +0000 From: "Shane Apple" Subject: Triplets of Belleville Eb: >I tried to watch [Triplets] on cable, about a week ago. Had to turn it off >after about a half-hour. God, what a repellent film. Dude! Try watching it again because it's fantastic! So...fresh! It's one of those rare movies I rented and actually watched twice before returning. I'd definitely give it a 19 or 20 on the eb-scale assuming I was allowed to use the eb-scale. I can't remember a recent movie exciting me more than this one. Maybe the anti-American sentiments offended you? Maybe it was just the Frenchiness, but it reminded me of what an animated Jean-Pierre Jeunet film would look like. - --Shane Eb: >I tried to watch [Triplets] on cable, about a week ago. Had to turn it off >after about a half-hour. God, what a repellent film. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #349 ********************************