From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #343 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 1 2004 Volume 13 : Number 343 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Thrills is gone? [Rex Broome ] Re: Quick endorsement [2fs ] Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon [2fs ] RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon [Eb ] voodoo runs Miles down [2fs ] Re: The Thrills is gone? [Tom Clark ] Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon [bisontentacle ] RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon [Eb ] Re: voodoo runs Miles down [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn [Miles Goosens ] Re: Zed Lep [James Dignan ] Re: voodoo runs Miles down [Miles Goosens ] Re: Zed Lep [Miles Goosens ] Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon [Miles Goosens ] Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon [Dolph Chaney ] RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon [Capuchin ] RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon [Capuchin ] RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon [Eb ] Re: voodoo runs Miles down [Capuchin ] Re: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn [Capuchin ] Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon [2fs ] RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon [Eb ] RE: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:40:32 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: The Thrills is gone? Eb: > Np: Thrills/Let's Bottle Bohemia (whew, this IS a letdown) Their t-shirts for this record were way cooler than the Pixies' at the show I went to, I will say that. Missed their set; suffered through the Mars Volta instead and would have vastly preferred seeing the Thrills just to see how the live act was. Bought Pixies t-shirt anyway. Pixies awesome. - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:41:44 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Quick endorsement > P.S. Is Mr. Damien Hirst still 'controversial'? Or is it more like once > controversial, always controversial? I think that depends. Had Mr. Hirst been a Victorian woman stirring up controversy by displaying a hint of ankle, well, no. But I'm pretty sure that half-cows will almost always be controversial. Or not: "Happy Christmas, Junior! Your gift is in the garage... Cover your eyes now so it's a surprise..." "Oh Daddy, look! It's half a cow encased in plexiglass! Just what I've always wanted! I can't wait to show Jimmy - he'll be *so* jealous. He only has half a rabbit!" - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:52:33 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:48:01 -0800, Eb wrote: > Can we pin this charge [Jeff Dwarf: "Also, how come people are > always laying this charge at him and never at David Byrne?"] on Scott Miller, somehow? Only if you think "That's Why We Don't Live in Mauritania" is ripping off Mauritanian musicians. (Oh, and not to be utterly turbogeek, but: the fact that I had to manually cut & paste Jeff D's remarks for Eb's comments to make sense is one reason that, guess what, Cap's right about top-posting. If Eb's comments had been below The Dwarfish One's, that wouldn't have been necessary.) On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 06:31:18 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: > For me, the difference is that Byrne and Gabriel successfully > integrated world influences in an essential, basic way, to the point > where it transformed their own music and that music became something > new and unique. Whereas Paul Simon made a bunch of feeble Paul Simon > ditties with the South African stuff grafted on, which seems like a > classic Imperialist move to me -- taking something from a "native" > culture without bothering to understand its context or what makes it > tick. But surely the judgment of "exploitation" isn't solely based on (one's judgment of) artistic success? Making a bad record is automatically exploitation? I disagree with Miles on _Graceland_'s merits, by the way - then, I'm not particularly an African music fan, so maybe on strictly musical grounds he's correct. > And why doesn't Led Zeppelin get any credit for doing the World Music > thing before almost any other western rock band? A song like > "Kashmir" is about a zillion times more artistically successful than > "Diamonds on the Souls of Her Shoes." Because no one worried about "exploiting" Indians and Middle Easterners? (And because critics had already dismissed Led Zeppelin as a bunch of lamebrain cockrockers, so it didn't *matter* what they did. Byrne, Gabriel, and Simon were all critical faves, to an extent...as fellow intellectuals, you know, they were *capable* of either integrating or exploiting other musics. Page and Plant were just a buncha stoned hippies who hadn't a clue what they were doing, right?) Oh - and there's an 800-pound Beatle in the living room, holding a sitar. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:00:16 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon Or alternately: "Can we pin this [imperialism] charge on Scott Miller, somehow?" Real tough. And if you think top-posting is so bad, bitch at Microsoft, not me. It's not my choice to be use Outlook during the day, but that's the way it is. Eb - -----Original Message----- (Oh, and not to be utterly turbogeek, but: the fact that I had to manually cut & paste Jeff D's remarks for Eb's comments to make sense is one reason that, guess what, Cap's right about top-posting. If Eb's comments had been below The Dwarfish One's, that wouldn't have been necessary.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:06:40 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: voodoo runs Miles down To keep track of the 2fs/Miles accordance recently: _Spooked_: disagree _Graceland_: disagree _Around the Sun_: agree, sadly. My brother-in-law burned me a copy (for which I immediately felt huge masses of guilt, depriving both the pauperish R.E.M. boys and those starving Warner lads of their handful of dollars) and while playing it, I kept forgetting it was on and tried to stick another CD right on top of it. A couple songs are okay ("High Speed Train" and "The Worst Joke Ever" - - possibly "I Wanted to Be Wrong" and "Drive" - I mean "Final Straw"), and a few more might emerge into being memorable more than one second after they end...but for the most part, this album makes me realize that, by comparison, I really really liked _Reveal_ (and I didn't) and just plain was mad about _Up_ (and I do kinda like most of that one). It sounds primarily like I'm in a mall clothing store buying boringly necessary clothes when I realize that the mallzak playing in the background features a familiarly crow-voiced vocalist. I honestly can't remember the last time I completely gave up on an act for reasons other than my own tastes changing (i.e., all those prog-rock acts I walked away from in the late seventies and early eighties...even though I walked back toward many of them later). It would be nice to claim that Pat McCarthy is the Antichrist, and he personally caused Bill Berry's aneurysm and subsequent decision to retire to pickle farming or whatever the hell it is Berry's doing. But I'm cheered by the fact that, judging from recent photos, Peter Buck has a career playing Lurch in the inevitable re-remake of the Addams Family. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:07:22 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The Thrills is gone? On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:40 PM, Rex Broome wrote: > Eb: >> Np: Thrills/Let's Bottle Bohemia (whew, this IS a letdown) > > Their t-shirts for this record were way cooler than the Pixies' at the > show I went to, I will say that. Missed their set; suffered through > the Mars Volta instead and would have vastly preferred seeing the > Thrills just to see how the live act was. Bought Pixies t-shirt > anyway. Pixies awesome. > Wow. I can't imagine getting lulled by that good time pop of the Thrills and then receiving the old ice-pick-to-the-forehead of the Mars Volta. That's just cruel! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:11:56 -0500 From: bisontentacle Subject: Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon one time at band camp, Eb (ElBroome@earthlink.net) said: >And if you think top-posting is so bad, bitch at Microsoft, not me. It's >not my choice to be use Outlook during the day, but that's the way it >is. if you have a recent version of outlook, go to Tools > Options... and click on the E-mail Options... button on the Preferences tab. then, change the "when replying to a message" dropdown to "prefix each line of the original message". voila! woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:29:20 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon Yeah, but I'm obliged to email some Blackberry fiends who *want* top-posted mail (for minimum scrolling hassle). Eb - -----Original Message----- if you have a recent version of outlook, go to Tools > Options... and click on the E-mail Options... button on the Preferences tab. then, change the "when replying to a message" dropdown to "prefix each line of the original message". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:03:30 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: voodoo runs Miles down - -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on Mittwoch, 1. Dezember 2004 15:06:40 Uhr MEZ -0600 regarding voodoo runs Miles down: > _Around the Sun_: agree, sadly. My brother-in-law burned me a copy > (for which I immediately felt huge masses of guilt, depriving both the > pauperish R.E.M. boys and those starving Warner lads of their handful > of dollars) and while playing it, I kept forgetting it was on and > tried to stick another CD right on top of it. Strangely enough, my best friend, who doesn't like R.E.M. *at* *all* really likes "Around The Sun". Go figure. Maybe it's the R.E.M. CD for people who don't like R.E.M.? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn EhrenfeldgC Subject: RE: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn >From: Eb >Subject: RE: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:31:27 -0800 >I think a lot of adjectives fit Robyn. "Cheerful" ain't one of them. >I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen him laugh. Have you? On this last tour he was overwhelmingly warm and fuzzy, I think he fell on his head. He was very cheerful. Max ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:16:19 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Quick endorsement On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, 2fs wrote: > I think that depends. Had Mr. Hirst been a Victorian woman stirring up > controversy by displaying a hint of ankle, well, no. But I'm pretty > sure that half-cows will almost always be controversial. I think they should be called Split Cows, like the Split Dogs in Return of the Living Dead. And now, back to lurking.... - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:10:19 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:04:38 -0500, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >From: Eb > >Subject: RE: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn > >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:31:27 -0800 > > >I think a lot of adjectives fit Robyn. "Cheerful" ain't one of them. > > >I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen him laugh. Have you? > > > On this last tour he was overwhelmingly warm and fuzzy, I think he fell on > his head. He was very cheerful. I'm sure I said it at the time when I saw him live in January (hot off the first sessions that would produce SPOOKED), but he seemed completely at ease with himself at that show. In fact, he looked more fit, relaxed, and, well, cheerful than I'd ever seen him. I may not be down with the last couple of albums, but whatever space he's in right now certainly seems to be making him a happier fella, and I'm totally down with that. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:40:44 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Simon and Byrne >James Dignan wrote: > > I'm with fortissimo Jeff on this one. Add in that IIRC > > Simon produced the first Ladysmith Black Mambazo album > > free of charge (and who would ever of heard of them if > > not for Paul Simon)? Also, how come people are always > > laying this charge at him and never at David Byrne? > >Byrne became famous as he was culture hopping, whereas >Simon was already famous when Graceland was released (the >Latin influences on later S&G and early solo work not >counting for some reason). It is all a load of crap >anyways. actually, it's more complicated than that, and that "not counting" line is telling. Byrne was already well known with Talking Heads before the start of the world rhythms (with "My life in the bush of ghosts" and "Remain in light", although you could claim that the funk elements in earlier Talking Heads was from the mix of different races in New York), then went solo and after a couple of albums started introducing world sounds with a vengeance. Simon, on the other hand, was already well known with S&G before the start of the world rhythms (with "El condor pasa", although you could claim that the r&b and gospel elements in earlier Simon & Garfunkel were from the mix of different races in New York), then went solo and after a couple of albums started introducing world sounds with a vengeance. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:43:19 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Zed Lep >And why doesn't Led Zeppelin get any credit for doing the World Music >thing before almost any other western rock band? A song like >"Kashmir" is about a zillion times more artistically successful than >"Diamonds on the Souls of Her Shoes." Probably because there were a whole lotta bands doing the world music thing ling before them. At times it seems like most bands from the 1966-68 period were doing various Indian raga-like noodlings, for instance. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:08:10 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: voodoo runs Miles down On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:06:40 -0600, 2fs wrote: > To keep track of the 2fs/Miles accordance recently: > > _Spooked_: disagree > > _Graceland_: disagree But I do like SPOOKED a lot better than GRACELAND. > _Around the Sun_: agree, sadly. To be fair, I haven't heard it, aside from the single, so I haven't offered an opinion. But I won't be buying it, which I suppose says it all right there. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:15:21 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Zed Lep On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:43:19 +1300, James Dignan wrote: > >And why doesn't Led Zeppelin get any credit for doing the World Music > >thing before almost any other western rock band? A song like > >"Kashmir" is about a zillion times more artistically successful than > >"Diamonds on the Souls of Her Shoes." > > Probably because there were a whole lotta bands doing the world music > thing ling before them. At times it seems like most bands from the > 1966-68 period were doing various Indian raga-like noodlings, for > instance. I'm not making any sort of argument against who was there firstest, but I'm saying that Zep doesn't get props for what they did, capiche? It just strikes me that when they went for Middle Eastern sounds, they did so exceptionally well, and if Byrne and Gabriel get their (deserved, IMO) World Music plaudits, Zep did it earlier than they did, yet critics routinely leave them out of discussions about the influence of World Music on western rockers. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:48:01 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon By the way, I hadn't thought of the Blackberry/text-messaging issue that Eb mentioned. Makes sense, even if I don't like it myself. Make the machines smarter! On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:52:33 -0600, 2fs wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 06:31:18 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: > > > For me, the difference is that Byrne and Gabriel successfully > > integrated world influences in an essential, basic way, to the point > > where it transformed their own music and that music became something > > new and unique. Whereas Paul Simon made a bunch of feeble Paul Simon > > ditties with the South African stuff grafted on, which seems like a > > classic Imperialist move to me -- taking something from a "native" > > culture without bothering to understand its context or what makes it > > tick. > > But surely the judgment of "exploitation" isn't solely based on (one's > judgment of) artistic success? Making a bad record is automatically > exploitation? I really, really don't want to launch a long definitional thread about "imperialism," lest my grad school flashbacks return in full force and I start thinking that I'm still trapped in History 301 wondering if Habermas is some kind of Lutheran holiday. But aren't there a number of components of imperialism, some of which might involve cultural attitudes and some which might involve exploitation in the sense I think you're using it? I didn't use the word "exploitation" precisely because it's even more loaded than "imperialism." For what it's worth, I don't think that Simon was exploiting his African collaborators in the sense of denying them their rightful proceeds, and Ladysmith etc. probably got a ton more attention than they would have otherwise, so they actually got something out of the deal. Plus, as someone else perceptively pointed out, there were apartheid-regime obstacles that were probably in place. But I do think that he *was* trumping himself up as a trailblazer *and* an artistic innovator, and the mainstream press and even a considerable slice of the rock press seemed to buy this hook, line, and sinker. But since other people had been there firstest with the mostest, the first part of that proposition fails. As for the second part, I do find his use of the African musicians to be shallow and simply grafted onto pretty standard Simon tunes, rather than the product of a fusion where the sensibility of Simon's collaborators becomes integrated into the music. To this day, when I hear a GRACELAND song, I always start thinking "shut up, Paul Simon, so I can hear hear what these African folks are doing!" Is that exploitation? Dunno, but if you're out to show that you really love African music and aren't just doing it for the PR and the easy "humanitarian"/good-cause crusader plaudits, showing some understanding of that music would be a good way to insulate yourself against those sorts of charges. So I hear those songs with Simon doing one thing and the African folks doing their different thing, and I feel uneasy about it in a way that I never felt with "Biko" or REMAIN IN LIGHT. > I disagree with Miles on _Graceland_'s merits, by the way - then, I'm > not particularly an African music fan, so maybe on strictly musical > grounds he's correct. Oh, I wouldn't pretend to be an African music expert, but I did have the occasional Obligatory African Albums of the '80s in my collection - -- the requisite selection of Toure Kunda, King Sunny Ade, Fela, etc. I think Jesus H. Christgau may have even personally blessed a couple of my LPs. > > And why doesn't Led Zeppelin get any credit for doing the World Music > > thing before almost any other western rock band? A song like > > "Kashmir" is about a zillion times more artistically successful than > > "Diamonds on the Souls of Her Shoes." > > Because no one worried about "exploiting" Indians and Middle > Easterners? (And because critics had already dismissed Led Zeppelin as > a bunch of lamebrain cockrockers, so it didn't *matter* what they did. > Byrne, Gabriel, and Simon were all critical faves, to an extent...as > fellow intellectuals, you know, they were *capable* of either > integrating or exploiting other musics. Page and Plant were just a > buncha stoned hippies who hadn't a clue what they were doing, right?) This gets more at what I was trying to say than James' timeline-oriented response, though I see where my original comment ("before almost any other western rock band") led him that way. > Oh - and there's an 800-pound Beatle in the living room, holding a sitar. Is he going to get in a fight with an 800-pound Kink? And if it's over "See My Friends," there's not even a sitar on it, so there might even be a choice of stringed weapons. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:11:00 -0500 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Dec News On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, at 09:29 AM, bisontentacle wrote: > looks like kimberley rew, morris windsor, terry edwards and paul noble > will be joining robyn for some of the early december shows. > > Argh!! So very jealous! That's the exact lineup that recorded City Of Women, one of the best RH tracks of the last 10 years. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:15:42 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon In typical fashion, my complaint about Paul Simon and GRACELAND and the African musicians employed is a subjective and solitary one. At the same time GRACELAND was being made, Colin James Hay from Men At Work was working on his first solo album, LOOKING FOR JACK. For the lead-off track, "Hold Me," he got the idea to have an African vocal group sing the intro and counterpoint lines. It worked extremely well with the song. So, Colin's happily listening to a rough mix in the car, ejects the tape, and the radio comes on with a track from GRACELAND. Paul Simon scooped him. I might be the only person anywhere who thinks so, but I do think LOOKING FOR JACK is the superior record, and I don't think it's been in print in 10 years. - -- Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Eb wrote: > And if you think top-posting is so bad, bitch at Microsoft, not me. It's > not my choice to be use Outlook during the day, but that's the way it > is. I had to use Outlook (LookOut!, Outhouse, whatever) at a contract job last summer. A few minutes of web searching yielded step-by-step instructions (with screenshots!) to changing the way replies are quoted. I still had to manually push the cursor to the bottom of the quoted material, though. Big whoop. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Eb wrote: > Yeah, but I'm obliged to email some Blackberry fiends who *want* > top-posted mail (for minimum scrolling hassle). Um, then just don't quote previous material when you write to them. Also, prefixing the quoted material doesn't force you to type under it, just makes it easier to follow the conversation when you do. You can still type above the other words when that's necessary. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:28:04 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon Exactly how I feel about your objections. Eb - -----Original Message----- Big whoop. J. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:39:59 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: voodoo runs Miles down On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, 2fs wrote: > I honestly can't remember the last time I completely gave up on an act > for reasons other than my own tastes changing Yeah, I did that with REM. (If I'm taking your meaning correctly -- that is, I still listen to their older stuff and stuff in their current general category, just not them.) I have a great fear that They Might Be Giants is going that way. They moved from having a few great tracks mixed in with a bunch of almost novelty tracks on their first two records, then reversed the ratio for their next two records and then made two records full of great songs (one truly great album and one that's somehow not great despite being full of great songs) and since then it seems like a steady decline into boring tracks with disappointing hooks filling out albums with a decreasing number of worthwhile, thoughtful, intereseting songs. Since there's nothing on The Spine worth hearing that wasn't on the Indestructible Object EP, I'm afraid of the next album, should it come. But I really think REM is the only band that kept making music after I stopped caring... We'll see if that happens with TMBG. It's kind of like seeing someone with whom you used to sleep walking down the other side of the street and not even waving hello. Yeah, I noticed, but I'm not compelled to do any more than that. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > I may not be down with the last couple of albums, but whatever space > he's in right now certainly seems to be making him a happier fella, and > I'm totally down with that. Viv used to say that he's not going to make another good record until Michele dumps his ass. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:48:55 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: There goes imperialisin' Simon On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:28:04 -0800, Eb wrote: > Exactly how I feel about your objections. > > Eb > > -----Original Message----- > Big whoop. Problem is, Eb, by this point Cap could suggest that we do not put on boxing gloves and punch puppies, and you'd say it's a pretentious, pointlessly picky attitude symptomatic of his overbearing attitude. Sorry...but whenever he posts, I'm always like, hmm, wonder what blistering riposte Eb will have to that one... It always arrives. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:53:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: There goes imperialisin' Simon Right. Because I started this protocol quarrel, of course. Still miffed because I used The Scott's name in vain, eh? Eb - -----Original Message----- Problem is, Eb, by this point Cap could suggest that we do not put on boxing gloves and punch puppies, and you'd say it's a pretentious, pointlessly picky attitude symptomatic of his overbearing attitude. Sorry...but whenever he posts, I'm always like, hmm, wonder what blistering riposte Eb will have to that one... It always arrives. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:07:41 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn >From: "Maximilian Lang" >Subject: RE: Philly Inquirer story on Robyn >Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:04:38 -0500 >>From: Eb >>I think a lot of adjectives fit Robyn. "Cheerful" ain't one of them. >>I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen him laugh. Have you? >On this last tour he was overwhelmingly warm and fuzzy, I think he fell on >his head. He was very cheerful. I was thinking about this after I wrote it and mulled it over, thinking maybe it was me. I went to see Blonde Redhead; who rely on way too many live backing tracks but are pretty good. I went to this show with my coworker, Ben, who also went to the RH World Cafe Live show with me. It was his first Robyn show, though he does have some Soft Boys CDs. I asked him if he thought Robyn seemed like a cheerful guy to him, his response was "incredibly". Max ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:53:40 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Zed Lep On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:15:21 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: > I'm not making any sort of argument against who was there firstest, > but I'm saying that Zep doesn't get props for what they did, capiche? > It just strikes me that when they went for Middle Eastern sounds, they > did so exceptionally well, and if Byrne and Gabriel get their > (deserved, IMO) World Music plaudits, Zep did it earlier than they > did, yet critics routinely leave them out of discussions about the > influence of World Music on western rockers. I think this is a function of the escape-proof critical boxes built for most acts. Just as all critics writing about Robyn must use the word "zany" ("quirky" will do in a pinch, Robyn having inherited that one from early XTC), Led Zeppelin got a couple of labels slapped on 'em early on (cartoon phallic blooze-rawk for the loud ones, hippy-dippy Tolkien-worshippers for the quiet ones) and, well, that's all there is. I will now pause to not mention Interpol and its critical doppelganger. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #343 ********************************