From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #320 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 8 2004 Volume 13 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jeme! [Jim Davies ] Re: Lovely [Barbara Soutar ] Re: Jeme! [Capuchin ] Re: Oooooh Geoffrey, we could all paint our twangers couldn't we ["Stewar] dismantle [Mike Swedene ] future tour notes part 147 ["Michael Wells" ] Chicago setlist 11-6-04 ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Lovely [steve ] RE: ...Unbelievable ["FS Thomas" ] Re: ...Unbelievable [steve ] Re: Milwaukee 11/5/04 ["Michael Wells" ] cleveland plain dealer article [woj ] RE: ...Unbelievable ["FS Thomas" ] RE: ...Unbelievable ["FS Thomas" ] re: Bit torrent: 2004-11-02 Borders Books - Chapel Hill, NC ["Marc Hold] Fwd: [bt-easytree-org] NEW on EZT: robyn hitchcock 11-5-04 milwaukee, wi [bisontentacle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:44:26 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: Jeme! Yay! x Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:54:08 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: Lovely I belong to a Democrat web forum where they are berating Kerry for not using the right strategy and wish that he'd come up with a few simple messages like: "Democrats believe that America is safer making friends, not enemies." Here is a good reaction to that: This would go over well with the general populace if they actually WERE Christian or at least morally inclined. The fact is Republicans seem filled with hate, they love to hate. Karl Rove has them figured out. Their psychology involves having an enemy, whether it's Commies, gay people, Arabs with too much oil or whatever. Hey they even hate liberals, and have demonized the very word, yet they enjoy all the social benefits that liberals have fought for. If logic was a part of this whole equation, then I'd say sit down and figure out your winning strategy. But if you leave burning hatred out of the strategy, you'll lose every future election. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:07:49 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Jeme! On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Jim Davies wrote: > Yay! > > x Jim Hi, Jim. Yay for you, too. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:41:14 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Oooooh Geoffrey, we could all paint our twangers couldn't we Daniel Gackle wrote: > I'll delurk to mention > > http://rainbow.arch.scriptmania.com/rainbow_tv_episode.html Ah, the old spoof episode made for the production company's christmas party ... but Rainbow really wasn't that far from this. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: dismantle u2 has leaked. listening to it now. pretty rocking, upon first listening. party on! mike ===== - ------------------------------------------------- "there is water at the bottom of the ocean" - talking heads _________________________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:06:10 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: future tour notes part 147 Ps. to the Chicago review, Robyn did mention that he would be back here "in March or April sometime" so it looks to be a bigger tour than just the West Coast. While waiting to say hi after the Milwaukee show, I overheard him telling someone that they have a home in Arizona (rental? in-laws?) apart from still living in West London, and that he hopes to be over once a year if only for that reason. Michael "more Robyn is more better" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:27:53 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Chicago setlist 11-6-04 Robyn "it's an all request night" Hitchcock 6 November 2004 Schuba's, Chicago IL Visions of Johanna The Devil's Coachman Chinese Bones Ye Sleeping Knights of Jesus Tonight Raining Twilight Coast Driving Aloud (Radio Storm) Winchester - my request :) Heliotrope Television If You Know Time We're Gonna Live in the Trees Sometimes a Blonde Autumn is Your Last Chance Never Stop Bleeding Give Me a Spanner, Ralph I Feel Beautiful The last four were on electric. OK, so I may have a NEW favorite show ;) Robyn was the early gig at Schuba's, and the accompanying time constraint was surely the reason he abanded a setlist and just had people pass up requests on bits of paper. He seemed quite impressed with the variety of suggestions, and as opener Steve Frisbie had gone a bit overlong (but was excellent in doing so) he launched right in. Went nine songs before I think he remembed that he actually had a new album to promote. Voice much better than last night in Milwaukee. Continual tuning changes gave some opportunity for banter, much of it interactive. Couple of missed lyrics, quickly improvised...guitar in very good form, again picked vs. fingers most (if not all?) of the night. Schuba's was packed, sold out being something of an understatement (if some of you know Theo from the YahooGroup side, you may want to ask him how he got in after coming to Chicago without a ticket)...so in that environment it wasn't surprising to get the interactive, alert Robyn vs the captivating, quiet one. Nine out of ten Dolphs agree, it was a brilliant show. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 01:49:03 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Lovely On Nov 6, 2004, at 4:54 PM, Barbara Soutar wrote: > Karl Rove has them figured out. Rove's stated goal is a permanent Republican majority. The obvious result of that would be the end of the welfare state. The right in the U.S. really really really wants to take the country back to the political structure that we had prior to the New Deal. We'll see them start to try in January. - - Steve __________ One of the president's close acquaintances outside the White House said Mr. Bush clearly feels he has encountered his reason for being, a conviction informed and shaped by the president's own strain of Christianity. "I think, in his frame, this is what God has asked him to do," the acquaintance said. - Frank Bruni, NYT, on Bush's new war ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:15:07 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: ...Unbelievable > 2fs: > > The practical problem, immediately, would be that life would > become massively more expensive for the people currently > least able to afford it anyway. If income tax revenue is > shifted towards a sales tax (which seems to be what you're > suggesting), obviously that sales tax would have to be > considerably higher than it is today. The number being bandied around is 23%. This is on top of whatever state-level sales taxes you've already got. That 23% would be in exchange for you receiving your entire paycheck--no deductions whatsoever. The federal government would then, on a per household basis, calculate the equivalent amount of tax you would pay over the year on the bare necessities. I want to say that a family of 4 was pegged around $4700 a year in tax on those "bare necessities." You would then be cut a check once a month to cover those costs. If a family made, say, $30,000 a year, and paid $6300 a year in withholding tax, they would be bringing home $23,700. If they spent $100 a week on groceries, they would then have $18,500 left on the year ($23,700 - (52 * 100)). Now, say there were no federal withholding taxes. They earn $30,000, they take home that much. They still buy $100 in groceries a week, but now pay a 23% tax on them, costing $6396/yr (over $5,200 w/out the tax), leaving them with $23,604. Now add on their $4700 tax credit, they would have $28,304 in the bank. Already they're ahead $9804. This doesn't take into account retail price adjustments across the board once the embedded taxes placed on product manufacture have been removed. Manufacturers, due to competition in the market place, would have to adjust their prices accordingly to maintain/grow market share. Prices would begin to adjust probably within six months, or once existing supplies were depleted. - -f. (there's hundreds of pages about this online at http://www.fairtax.org) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:48:13 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: ...Unbelievable On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:15 AM, FS Thomas wrote: > If a family made, say, $30,000 a year, and paid $6300 a year in > withholding tax I think your $6300 figure is wrong. And where does the employer contribution to Social Security figure in? - - Steve __________ At Harvard Business School, thirty years ago, George Bush was a student of mine. I still vividly remember him. In my class, he declared that "people are poor because they are lazy." He was opposed to labor unions, social security, environmental protection, Medicare, and public schools. To him, the antitrust watch dog, the FTC, and the SEC were unnecessary hindrances to "free market competition." To him, Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal was "socialism." - Yoshi Tsurumi, CUNY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:03:20 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Milwaukee 11/5/04 > ?!? Hmmm... This subplot gets more and more interesting. I guess he > decides some shows are finger shows and some shows are plectrum shows. > I'll reveal my hand a bit and say that I hope the Southpaw Brooklyn > show will be in the latter category... It may be setlist driven...but on the other hand, the Milwaukee show had some similarities with the Carrboro show, and I guess he used the pick a lot more at the former. Maybe he just read some of the fegposts about it ;) > Did he do the psycho soloing on "Only The Stones"? Yep. > Whoo-oah! I'd better get my Southpaw ticket right fuckin' now. Word. This is the most fun I've seen Robyn have since maybe the '99 tour. MW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:26:16 -0500 From: woj Subject: cleveland plain dealer article Subject: RE: ...Unbelievable > -----Original Message----- > steve > I think your $6300 figure is wrong. And where does the employer > contribution to Social Security figure in? It was a guestimation. I could use my own tax burden (at a higher percentage), but I'm not a family of 4... The Employer's contribution would go away as well, I believe, being rolled into the new tax scheme. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:32:52 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: ...Unbelievable > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of steve > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:48 AM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Re: ...Unbelievable > > I think your $6300 figure is wrong. And where does the employer > contribution to Social Security figure in? It may very well be. In checking the brackets, when married, filing jointly: Income Base Tax %Tax (over) - ------------------------------------------- $14,000 - $56,800 $1,400.00 15% 14,000 Therefore: $30,000 income -$14,000 non-taxable income - ---------- $16,000 x .15 - ---------- $ 2,400 addt'l tax +$ 1,400 base tax - ---------- $ 3,800 in total taxes due (not counting deductions) Therefore, to revise the previous example: Family income: $30,000 Current tax burden: - 3,800 -------- Income a/t: $26,200 Groceries (current): - 5,200 -------- Total remaining: *$21,000 * Family income: $30,000 Proposed tax burden: - 0 -------- Income a/t: $30,000 Groceries (current): - 6,396 -------- $23,604 Necessity tax credit: + 4,700 -------- Proposed remaining: *$28,304 * A net gain of: $7,304 - -f. (Tax rate info pulled from http://www.fairmark.com/refrence/2003rate.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:22:09 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re: Bit torrent: 2004-11-02 Borders Books - Chapel Hill, NC The Unknown Song is "Copper Kettle", a song Bob Dylan covered on the Self Portrait album. I'm having some trouble sharing files on Easy Tree. I have to turn off my firewall to get the torrent loading, and then it won't upload. I get the files with no problems, but can't share back to other users. I feel like a mooch. Any suggestions about how to fix this? Later, Marc "I hope that when I die people say, 'That guy sure owed me a lot of money'." Jack Handy - ----- Original Message ----- http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=13006 Robyn Hitchcock Borders Books Chapel Hill, NC November 2, 2004 The last 2 songs were done with a local bluegrass band called Chatham County Line. 1 - I Feel Beautiful 2 - If You Know Time 3 - One Long Pair of Eyes 4 - unknown song 5 - Full Moon in My Soul 6 - W Is the Antichrist 7 - Blue Moon of Kentucky 8 - Mystery Train ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:28:06 -0500 From: bisontentacle Subject: Fwd: [bt-easytree-org] NEW on EZT: robyn hitchcock 11-5-04 milwaukee, wi >From: EZT (www.easytree.org) >Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:29:30 +0100 (CET) >Subject: [bt-easytree-org] NEW on EZT: robyn hitchcock 11-5-04 milwaukee, wi > >A new torrent has been uploaded to EZT. > >Title: robyn hitchcock 11-5-04 milwaukee, wi >Size: 590.68 MB >Category: Singer/Songwriter >Uploaded by: braneout > >Description >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >robyn hitchcock >5 november 2004 >shank hall, milwaukee wi > >recorded and mastered by michael wells (braneout@earthlink.net) >mics 10' stage right > >rec: sp-cmc-2 > sp-spsb-3 > mz-r700 minidisc >mstr: tbs montego II > cooledit pro > .wav > mkw0.97 > .shn > >* before the final song on d2 (medley) robyn unplugged his guitar >mic and wandered around the hall singing troubadour style. sound >is low to non-existant for most of this, but it has been left in >to keep the show intact. > >disc 1: > >1. (applause) >2. raymond chandler evening >3. i got the hots >4. (banter) >5. serpent at the gates of wisdom >6. balloon man >7. (banter) >8. the cheese alarm >9. (banter) >10. you remind me of you >11. (banter) >12. lysander >13. (banter) >14. we're gonna live in the trees >15. sometimes a blonde >16. (banter) >17. only the stones remain >18. queen elvis >19. (banter) >20. idonia >21. full moon in my soul > >disc 2: > >1. (changing guitars) >2. autumn is your last chance >3. i often dream of trains >4. heart full of leaves >5. sally was a legend >6. you and oblivion >7. solpadeine >8. medley (unmiked)* > >feed the fish, not the machines >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >You can use the URL below to download the torrent (you may have to login). > >http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=13154&hit=1 > >Take care! > >easytree.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:40:19 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Oooooh Geoffrey, we could all paint our twangers couldn't we >I'll delurk to mention > >http://rainbow.arch.scriptmania.com/rainbow_tv_episode.html > >which I think some of you might enjoy. "Rainbow" was infamous for occasional moments of editorial lapse, shall we say. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:19:04 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: That Rainbow episode I was speaking to someone today who knew a little bit more about that episode of "Rainbow". apparently it was made, but never broadcast. The thought is that it may have been made for showing at a staff christmas party at the TV station, or something similar. Wonderful episode, though. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #320 ********************************