From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #319 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, November 6 2004 Volume 13 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I can almost hear it raining [James Dignan ] Re: austin american-statesman/austin360 article [James Dignan ] Reap [James Dignan ] Re: Back to music... [James Dignan ] Re: Disaster? [James Dignan ] Re: Lovely [steve ] Re: Lovely [2and2makes5@comcast.net] RE: trying to make myself feel better ["Marc Alberts" ] RE: various brief political replies ["Marc Alberts" ] unreal ["Maximilian Lang" ] extra tix gone [Dolph Chaney ] Re: unreal ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Milwaukee 11/5/04 ["Michael Wells" ] RE: unreal ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: Milwaukee 11/5/04 [Jon Lewis ] Milwaukee 11/5/04 setlist ["Michael Wells" ] RE: unreal [Capuchin ] Oooooh Geoffrey, we could all paint our twangers couldn't we [Daniel Gack] Fwd: Bit torrent: 2004-11-02 Borders Books - Chapel Hill, NC ["Roberta ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:50:47 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: I can almost hear it raining Mike wrote: >PS Don't get me started on the Levant again. I have no doubt whatsoever >that the Philistines of Ashkelon, Gath, and Gaza are the ancestors of the >Palestinians, and that they were there first (see Moses, Joshua, David vs >Goliath etc). And of course they all speak Semitic languages, whether >Akkadian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic or whatever. feh. Next you'll be telling me that Christians, Jews, and Arabs all worship the same God but just call him by different names. Oh, hang on... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:50:50 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: austin american-statesman/austin360 article >"These were our 'basement tapes,' " Hitchcock says, referring to Dylan's >famous, endless jam session with the Band that produced dozens of >oft-bootlegged songs. "There was a Rex song and a Talking Heads song, John >Lennon ... quite a number of recordings, really." umm... reading between the lines... does that mean that there are recordings of these sessions somewhere? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:47:16 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Lovely >From: Tom Clark >Subject: Re: Lovely >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:56:06 -0800 >And the joys of electing frigid bitches to your board of education. > >I get so mad sometimes... Some people must wander this planet in such fear, if baffels me. They want the government out of their lives but in other lives, I find it repulsive. Max _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:50:56 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Reap don't know if there are other fans on the list, but: Rob Heaton, New Model Army drummer, 43. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:03:33 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Back to music... > > Arcade Fire - Funeral > > Jolie Holland - Escondido > > Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender > > REM - Around The Sun > >Good call with the Joanna Newsome and Jolie. I must add: > >Laura Veirs - Carbon Glacier >Sarah Harmer - All Of Our Names Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose don't know on its availability in the US, but I'd add SJD's "Southern Lights", too. and if you like shameless 60s rip-offs, have a listen to Nic Armstrong's "The greatest white liar" Hey, does anyone have any recommendations/otherwise of Richmond Fontaine? I just read a review which described them as "Gram Parsons covering Bob Mould songs", which has me kinda intrigued. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:07:22 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Disaster? >Well, Bush's folks may say climate change is just a plot, but Putin >just signed the Kyoto CLimate change treaty into effect, so fu#k em. > >I know it's nowhere NEAR enough to reverse where things are going, >but it is a start....which is more than the Bush folks will do. > > I think it would take another year of 4 hurricanes, with one wiping >out the Governor's residence in Florida, for them to take climate >change seriously... Just remind yourself that, when the seas start to rise, Florida will be the first to go. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:00:49 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Lovely On Nov 5, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > And the joys of electing frigid bitches to your board of education. > > > I get so mad sometimes... > -tc She probably thinks sex is OK if you might make a baby. Clip - > Board member Terri Leo, a Republican, said she was pleased with the > publisher's changes. She had led the effort to get the publishers to > change the texts, objecting to what she called "asexual stealth > phrases" such as "individuals who marry." > > "Marriage has been defined in Texas, so it should also be defined in > our health textbooks that we use as marriage between a man and a > woman," Leo said. > > Texas lawmakers last year passed a law that prohibits the state from > recognizing same-sex civil unions. The state already had a ban on gay > marriage. > > A controversy arose last year in Texas when the board approved new > biology textbooks that contained Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, > brushing aside opposition from religious groups. Welcome to Texas, where the Republican party is totally controlled by the Christian right. This same state board just adopted heath textbooks that contain no information about birth control. And those textbooks may well be coming to your state. - - Steve __________ People have a stereotype about what animation is, and don't recognize the possibilities. Hayao Miyazaki's "Spirited Away" had the most remarkable command of narrative I've seen in a very, very long time. This is just the best-told movie story of the year, enormously inventive and satisfying and meticulous. To me, it completely revivifies the value of real narrative in a movie. - Scott Rudin, producer of "The Hours" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 03:20:10 +0000 From: 2and2makes5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Lovely > > A controversy arose last year in Texas when the board approved new > > biology textbooks that contained Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, > > brushing aside opposition from religious groups. > At least the board passed the biology textbooks. Was that done even with Ms. Whackjob on the board? Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:27:29 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: trying to make myself feel better Aaron Mandel wrote: > > Patty Murray, the senior Democratic senator from Washington, was > > running for reelection, so no gain there, just holding on to a seat. > > I was talking about the State Senate, not the U.S. Senate seat. > > But unfortunately, like I said, I got this secondhand, and > I'm having trouble finding news stories to prove or disprove > it. I believe the State Senate was 25-24 for the Republicans > before, so even picking off one seat would have flipped it to > the Democrats. > > Okay, vote.wa.gov says the Dems picked up two seats. Go > Washington! Looks like they also increased their majority in > the WA House to 55-43. As someone who has to live with the Washington state government, before you cheer you really should try to live here. Our Democrats are a particularly spineless bunch that pass basically zero legislature without then kicking it out for referendum, which sounds good on paper but basically means that we elect leadership that takes every opportunity to abdicate the lead. At least, no matter who wins the Governor's seat, we won't have Gary Locke around, who was the single most do-nothing governor I've ever seen in my life, and one who was almost single-handledly responsible for one of the most ill-conceived initiatives in state history passing by refusing to provide any counterplan. The few Democrats that are competent get bullied around by the teachers union, which can never figure out how to spend money fast enough on new administrators at the expense of both books and facilities. Unfortunately for us, our Republicans tend to be extremely conservative (here is my local Republican nominee's website--notice the nice praying hands in front of the flag: http://www.cassadyforcongress.com/), so much so that those of us who are libertarians and moderate Republicans all find no one to vote for, and the moderate Democrats get bullied into voting for guys like Jim McDermott because no one has the courage to run against him despite the fact no one, not even the very liberal papers, like him. If you ever doubted that there were differences between the parties, my district is the place to go, since virtually everyone gets disenfranchised by non-representative representatives. You can cheer, but I'd much rather live almost anyplace else with a Democrat rule. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:03:00 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Glitch gave Bush extra votes in Ohio http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html Oh, please, oh, please, let them find more malfunctioning machines. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:23:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Glitch gave Bush extra votes in Ohio Aaron Lowe wrote: > > > Oh, please, oh, please, let them find more malfunctioning > machines. For what it's worth: ===== "[The Bush administration] deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride." -- President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland "I wonder, even when Kerry gets elected can Bush still be impeached? I would love [for] him to be humiliated after all he's done." -- Elvis Costello __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:30:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: various brief political replies Rex Broome wrote: > "moral values". Apparently Bush had 'em and Kerry > didn't. I know, don't even fucking ask me how ya > figure, but that's the majority perception. More like Bush knew how to frame his issues within a plausible moral framework that appealled to enough voters while Kerry didn't realize he needed too. If Kerry had talked about the immorality of Bush's positions -- or had the sense to frame his positions in a manner more palattable, it might have been a different election. Instead all he did was pull out that old Lincoln quote about it being better to hope God was on our side than to declare ourselves on God's side. Nice line, but it should have only been the start of going after those voters. Mentioning that before Bush took office the abortion rate in the US was at it's lowest since Roe v Wade passed or that the abortion rate has skyrocketted under Bush in no smart part because of his economic policies or .... ===== "[The Bush administration] deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride." -- President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland "I wonder, even when Kerry gets elected can Bush still be impeached? I would love [for] him to be humiliated after all he's done." -- Elvis Costello __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 06:00:37 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: various brief political replies Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Mentioning that before Bush took office the abortion rate in > the US was at it's lowest since Roe v Wade passed or that the > abortion rate has skyrocketted under Bush in no smart part > because of his economic policies or .... I would like to see data that shows this to be the case before you make this kind of assumption, because it seems prima facie absurd. The cause in the decline in abortion rates during the 90s can be explained almost entirely by demographic shifts--the boomers aged out of their 20s and into their 30s, where people are statistically far more likely to be married, and thus 1/6th as likely to get an abortion. The 90s were a demographic trough for those most likely to have abortions (18-19 year olds, with an incidence of 51 abortions per thousand) was actually the smallest cohort in the US population behind only the second most likely cohort to get abortions, the 20-24 year olds. In other words, Abortions decreased in the 90s because the population structure of the US dictated that the likelihood that anyone getting an abortion would have had to increase about 20% in order to even keep up the rate. This shows clearly in US abortion rates per thousand by age group, where a greater percentage of abortions by the end of the Clinton years were performed on women over the age of 25, which most people will see as a pretty unusual thing since it is well documented that the abortion percentages decrease once women get out of their early 20s substantially. Plus, during the Clinton years, teen pregnancy rates dropped 20% plus, However, as 2000 approached, the US was seeing the baby boom echo of the 80s entering the cohort where abortions were far more common (since you attribute these things to economics alone, would you care to credit Reaganomics for the large increase in birth rates starting in 1986? ;-). In fact, in 2000, the top end of the 15-19 age bracket was in the cohort most likely out of any age group to get abortions (18-19 year olds), and that cohort was approximately 5% larger than the preceding cohort, and the one that hit 18-19 in 2003/4 was even larger than that. Also, the biggest bulge in the pyramid during the 90s was in the 30-39 age group, the cohorts least likely to have an abortion. In other words, there were a lot more people of the age to have abortions, and because the preceding cohort was so small comparatively (and because abortion rates are usually measured as 15-45), you simply had a shift in the 15-44 demographic towards the age groups more likely to have abortions, which affects directly the rate of abortions as reported per 1000 women aged 15-44. According to recent news stories that suggested that recent statistics show around 21% of abortions were done for economic reasons, which is basically unchanged from 1987 based on a national sample. Given the source of most of the recent reports on increased abortion have been reported by folks like Alan Guttmacher Institute, who report an almost identical rate of "economic reasons" for abortions in 2003 as they did in 1987, it would be hard to attribute any increase to economic reasons at all. The reason most often given for abortions, and it's virtually unchanged since Reagan, has been "too young/not ready to have kids," not economic reasons. For surveys on reasons for having abortions: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html http://www.guttmacher.org/presentations/abort_slides.pdf For population pyramids in the US: http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us/Age_distribution An example of this is the Michigan abortion rate, which has recently been reported to be the largest increase in the country (according to one report I saw). What the report doesn't say is that the increase started in 1999, long before any serious economic decline in Michigan, and two years before Bush took office. Once again, this corresponds very nicely with the demographic shift of more women into the lower ends of 15-44 demographic. They don't break it down any more than that in Michigan, so we can't actually see if there is any increase at all beyond the raw rate, which is, as discussed above, quite misleading since only the youngest 9 years of that 29 year cohort are strongly influential in the raw rate. According to the aforementioned Alan Guttmacher Institute, more than half of all abortions happen in the 24 and younger cohort (51.6% in 2002), so this shift in demographics towards that group during the Bush administration is clearly a factor that needs to be weighed heavily in any reports of raw data in the 15-44 cohort. For Michigan's abortion rates: http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/pha/osr/abortion/Tab_A.asp Anyway, I don't want to bore everyone with all of this. I'll just leave it at the old saying: there are lies, damned lies, dirty god-damned lies, and statistics. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 06:50:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: various brief political replies Marc Alberts wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Mentioning that before Bush took office the abortion > > rate in the US was at it's lowest since Roe v Wade > > passed or that the abortion rate has skyrocketted > > under Bush in no smart part because of his economic > > policies or .... > > I would like to see data that shows this to be the case > before you make this kind of assumption, because it > seems prima facie absurd. But, as the GOP has shown over the past 30 years, logic doesn't matter. The Rove (and Atwater etc before him) machine plays dirtier than dirtiest, and the voters they are able to appeal to doing so don't care about logic -- they even disdain it. The Democrats don't have to play as dirty as them, but they do have to be willing to throw in some sucker punches, because the failure to do so has now been defined as weakness. ===== "[The Bush administration] deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride." -- President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland "I wonder, even when Kerry gets elected can Bush still be impeached? I would love [for] him to be humiliated after all he's done." -- Elvis Costello __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:22:52 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: unreal How the fuck does this happen? Feel secure? _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:46:45 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: extra tix gone the extra tix that were Doc's are gone. At 10:42 AM 11/6/2004, Dave wrote: >Hey Dolph, > >The two tickets I had (that were for Doc) have already been given >away. Sorry about that. Hope to see you at the show. > >Dave > > > >Dolph Chaney wrote: >hi Dave - >I have one person looking for a ticket if you still have any. give me an >e-mail or a call at 773-743-3354. >thanks! >Dolph > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:40:33 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: unreal Maximilian Lang wrote: > How the fuck does this happen? Maybe the pilot was a bit confused where they were. Strafing a school (oh, sorry, "acquiring a target") at 10pm EST would be 6am, Iraq time. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:27:07 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Milwaukee 11/5/04 Well it's seven hours later and the setlist I sent hasn't posted yet, so maybe this will catch up somewhere in cyberspace and they'll show up together. The area near Shank Hall in Milwaukee is filled with shops, bars and trendy little restaurants, so I took the opportunity of being early to wander around, nibble here and there, read the Onion and generally unwind. Robyn was warming up when I went to pick up my will-call, and while the ticket-printing machine got fixed I hung inside awhile and enjoyed a few songs. Pleased to see that besides the acoustic, he was soundchecking a beautiful, natural-finish Telecaster with a white pickguard. He looked rather stern and preoccupied. Carissa, Theo, et al showed up right before doors so we all got good seats; I grabbed a table on the side near the speakers for taping. Turns out that the Schuba's sell-out in Chicago has had some far-reaching effects; nearby couples had come from from Grand Rapids, Indianapolis, and points abroad, turning five+ hour drives into an excuse for a weekend away. My mate Daryl and his wife made it by showtime, and when Robyn came out in a gray shirt with orange and yellow flower blossoms the crowd had filled in nicely. I'd guess several hundred with all the seats full and standees by mid-show. I won't do song-by-song notes, but suffice to say this was my favorite Robyn show. Ever. He played three songs each from SPOOKED from LUXOR, and all of those save one are IMO among the better ones from their respective albums. Opening with "Raymond Chandler," "Hots," "Serpent" and "Balloon Man" was sure a treat, and starting the electric set with three straight from IODOT was unbelievable. I'm going to go back and listen to the recording shortly, just to make sure I heard "Heart Full of Leaves" ;) Generally speaking Robyn's voice was all over the place; sometimes on the verge of breaking and not even trying for notes, while others rich and supple and the best I've heard in ages. The newer material is better suited to his capabilities now, and since it was sung that way in the studio there was nothing to miss. Seemingly contrary to previous shows, the plectrum was back in full force - most of the show was flat-picked, occasionally changing to fingers for the softer numbers and a slide where required ("We're Gonna Live in the Trees"). Also a TON of harmonica, which Robyn promised he would cut down on next time. The show dynamics were extremely well managed - you can tell by the setlist that there was a lot of up/down and loud/soft stuff going on which the board man had perfectly mixed. It was certainly the best sounding Robyn show I have ever heard. Banter was plentiful and funny, as expected a fair bit of political nonsense ('Karl Rove is terrified of Emperor penguins'), and as the show wound on the gruffness he had pre-show melted away and he seemed to warm up to the audience nicely. In fact he spent the last song (acoustic medley) unplugged and unmiked, wandering around the audience as we all sung the backing parts to "Rock Me Baby," "When You're in Love with Beautiful Woman" or "Sound + Vision" as appropriate. After disappearing with a flourish, he came out a few minutes later and spent quite a while signing everything that was put in front of him. Show length 1:45 with no intermission. Robyn Hitchcock, very much the man in form. Michael who finally got off the Robyn recording he's always wanted to* * there was another taper there who it may be worth merging recordings with. I'll post a note when the torrent is ready...it'll be a couple of days, got the Chicago show tonight ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:00:30 -0800 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: unreal Maximillian Lang wrote: > How the fuck does this happen? Feel secure? > > It's either pilot error or mechanical failure. They say that the jet fired about 25 shots, which from a vulcan used in an F-16 would be less than half a second of trigger squeezing, so it could be that the pilot had accidently switched off his safety, or the safety failed to function. Either way, it does sound like it's time to find a new training ground for F-16s up there. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:08:35 -0500 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Milwaukee 11/5/04 On Saturday, November 6, 2004, at 10:27 AM, Michael Wells wrote: > Seemingly contrary to previous shows, the plectrum was back > in full force - most of the show was flat-picked, occasionally > changing to > fingers for the softer numbers and a slide where required ("We're > Gonna Live > in the Trees"). ?!? Hmmm... This subplot gets more and more interesting. I guess he decides some shows are finger shows and some shows are plectrum shows. I'll reveal my hand a bit and say that I hope the Southpaw Brooklyn show will be in the latter category... > Also a TON of harmonica, which Robyn promised he would cut > down on next time. Did he do the psycho soloing on "Only The Stones"? > > Show length 1:45 with no intermission. Whoo-oah! I'd better get my Southpaw ticket right fuckin' now. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:38:07 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Milwaukee 11/5/04 setlist I'll try to pop out a review tomorrow...just got back and I'm pretty beat. It was a GREAT show. Michael ===== acoustic set: Raymond Chandler Evening I Got the Hots Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom Balloon Man The Cheese Alarm You Remind Me of You Lysander We're Gonna Live in the Trees Sometimes a Blond Only the Stones Remain Queen Elvis Idonia Full Moon in My Soul electric set: Autumn is Your Last Chance I Often Dream of Trains Heart Full of Leaves Sally Was a Legend You and Oblivion Solpadeine encore (acoustic medley): When You're in Love With a Beautiful Woman Rock Me Baby Sound + Vision ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:10:18 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: unreal On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Marc Alberts wrote: > It's either pilot error or mechanical failure. They say that the jet > fired about 25 shots, which from a vulcan used in an F-16 would be less > than half a second of trigger squeezing, so it could be that the pilot > had accidently switched off his safety, or the safety failed to > function. Either way, it does sound like it's time to find a new > training ground for F-16s up there. Or maybe it's time to stop making death machines. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:19:55 -0700 From: Daniel Gackle Subject: Oooooh Geoffrey, we could all paint our twangers couldn't we I'll delurk to mention http://rainbow.arch.scriptmania.com/rainbow_tv_episode.html which I think some of you might enjoy. Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:18:45 -0500 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: Fwd: Bit torrent: 2004-11-02 Borders Books - Chapel Hill, NC - --- In RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Holtzheimer" wrote: http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=13006 Robyn Hitchcock Borders Books Chapel Hill, NC November 2, 2004 Sony MZ-NF810 => CSB => EAC => Adobe Audtion => CDWave Recording by janedw which I edited using Audition. janedw says "this one's for carville" The last 2 songs were done with a local bluegrass band called Chatham County Line. 1 - I Feel Beautiful 2 - If You Know Time 3 - One Long Pair of Eyes 4 - unknown song 5 - Full Moon in My Soul 6 - W Is the Antichrist 7 - Blue Moon of Kentucky 8 - Mystery Train ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #319 ********************************