From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #318 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 5 2004 Volume 13 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: austin american-statesman/austin360 article [Jon Lewis ] Re: Disaster ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Z 70's medley ["David Stovall" ] off to Milwaukee... ["Michael Wells" ] Re: trying to make myself feel better [Aaron Mandel ] Disaster? [Luther Wills-Dudich ] Re: I can almost hear it raining [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: trying to make myself feel better [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: trying to make myself feel better [Jill Brand ] not all black and white [Benjamin Lukoff ] Dig me in tunnels (0% gerbil content) [Rex Broome ] RE: Disaster? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Back to music... [Rex Broome ] Re: trying to make myself feel better [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Back to music... [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: I can almost hear it raining [Michael R Godwin ] Re: not all black and white [2fs ] RE: Disaster? [Eb ] RE: Back to music... ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Lovely [Tom Clark ] In happier news... [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:12:17 -0500 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: austin american-statesman/austin360 article Anyone else perk up at this paragraph? > > After this tour, Hitchcock heads back to England and putting together > a band for a spring tour, > ROCK ARMADA II. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:30:03 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Fwd: Hello from Haiti! Matt Sewell wrote: > > It's irritating when the world's superpower is the most wasteful country > on Earth Excuse me, but I'll not have the good name of Canada impugned. I'll have you know that *we* are the most wasteful country (per capita) on earth, according to an OECD study published earlier this year. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:31:31 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Disaster 2fs wrote: > > Wanna buy some wood? Why buy when we can wait a couple of months for your currency to fall even further? ;-) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:46:39 -0800 From: "David Stovall" Subject: RE: Z 70's medley >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:06:51 -0800 >From: Eb >Subject: RE: Cat's Cradle election eve BiTorrent > >Wow...wouldn't that be neat to have on tape? Reminds me of the time I >saw Dweezil Zappa's band do something similar (opening for Spinal Tap). >Except in their case, the fragments were all taken from classic-rock >songs of the '70s. The medley must have gone on for close to a >half-hour. Mindboggling. Eb, do you happen to remember the venue and rough date of this? I have several Z shows on disc, including at least three different Big Medleys - a mostly-70's medley, a mostly-80's one, and another that I don't recall being constrained to a date range - and there's precious little overlap among them. Every one was indeed well over 20 minutes and included snips from probably 60-70 songs; I *almost* completed a breakdown of the ones in the 80's version, though I dunno if I still have that list anywhere. I'd be glad to run off a copy of any show I have for you. I saw Z in, uh, '93 or '94 and they did the 80's version - I remember Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger" being one of the first snippets. (Related pedantry: Z was Dweezil (g) and Ahmet (v) Zappa, plus the wonderful Mike Keneally (g,v), and present-day Zappa archivist/Vault-meister Joe Travers (d), though I don't remember if the line-up was the same when they opened for Spinal Tap - in fact, I don't even know if I knew they opened for Spinal Tap. That woulda been in '92, right?) da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:57:13 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: off to Milwaukee... Heap big fun show tonight, the setlists coming in look great. Daryl and I plan on meeting at Shank Hall around 7, Carissa will be easy to find, and Je2frey if you're coming look for us. If anyone else is going and wants to meet up, I'll be briefly stopping by the venue at 5:30 to scout parking and decide on dinner. I'm 6'3" - 230#, shaved head, and will likely be wearing a blue hooded sweatshirt and fanny pack. Either that or a Motorhead tour T-shirt. Michael hoping to break his string of bad luck recordings of Robyn tonight ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:36:00 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: trying to make myself feel better On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Jill Brand wrote: > And how poignant that this misery befalls with the greatest effect the > Commonwealth of Massachusetts, home of John Kerry. This is the only > state in which the Republicans actually lost anything (Mitt Romney's > attempt to make gains on the state level came back to bite him in the > ass). That's not true; the Democrats took both houses of the state legislature in Colorado. We also took the Washington Senate, the North Carolina House, and the Vermont House. I'm getting all of this second-hand from friends who are trying to raise my spirits, so I don't have a complete grasp on where else the Democrats gained seats without flipping an entire legislature, but I believe that New Jersey, like Massachusetts, saw Democrats' dominance expand, and in Minnesota the Democrats gained seats to get within striking distance of 50%. I'm pissed about this too -- in some ways, more about the Senate than the Presidency, because for a while it seemed like Senate races weren't going to be decided purely by the Republican strategy of national division. But there were gains. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:33:11 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Z 70's medley I have the exact date written down at home...I'll post it tonight. It was a special private show at a hotel adjacent to Disneyland, related to the nearby NARM convention. There were probably only about 250 people in the room, and the Spinal Tap "comeback" wasn't in full bloom because Break Like the Wind hadn't come out yet. At the time, it seemed totally miraculous to me that I was actually seeing the group perform. Now that I think about it, I realize that I even have my *ticket* for that show. Ordinarily, I never keep ticket stubs, but admission to that show required a larger, nifty-looking pass with Tap-themed artwork. About the dimensions of a "Please Don't Disturb" sign which you'd hang on a hotel doorknob. Note: It seems like Dweezil's band was billed as "Dweezil Zappa" or "The Dweezil Zappa Band" rather than "Z." Here's an old interview where Dweezil mentions playing with Tap.... http://www.idiotbastard.supanet.com/interviews/DWEEZIL%20ZAPPA,%208.5.91 .htm Eb Np: Juliana Hatfield/In Exile Deo - -----Original Message----- Eb, do you happen to remember the venue and rough date of this? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) From: Luther Wills-Dudich Subject: Disaster? Well, Bush's folks may say climate change is just a plot, but Putin just signed the Kyoto CLimate change treaty into effect, so fu#k em. I know it's nowhere NEAR enough to reverse where things are going, but it is a start....which is more than the Bush folks will do. I think it would take another year of 4 hurricanes, with one wiping out the Governor's residence in Florida, for them to take climate change seriously... - ---Let the Carbon Trading begin (without the US)... - -LWWD Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:16:51 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Disaster Matt wrote: >Very scary interview on the radio this morning - with one of Bush's >climate advisors who said, in all seriousness, that global warming was an >EU plot to ruin US industry, and that all scientists who believe global >warming is happening, and happening as a result of human activity, were >either gullible or liars... The seeds are already being planted. I have been seeing a commercial lately with a talking eagle who is thanking the coal power industry for cleaning up the skies. The eagle is shown in 1970 choking on polluted air. Then in modern times he is breathing clean air. Expect even more relaxed mercury standards for the coal fired power plants. Michael B. ____________________________________________________________________ Putin clears way for Kyoto treaty Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed the Kyoto protocol on climate change - clearing the way for the treaty to come into force next year. This is Russia's final and crucial stamp of approval for Kyoto. The pact needed support from countries responsible for 55% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, which most scientists blame for global warming. After the United States refused to ratify it, only Russia could enable this threshold to be passed. Both chambers of Russia's parliament ratified the pact last month, but there are still fears in Moscow that Kyoto could badly affect the country's economic growth. The BBC's Sarah Rainsford, in Moscow, says Mr Putin agreed to support Kyoto only after European Union leaders offered their support for Russia to join the World Trade Organization. 'Fresh start' More than 100 countries have already signed up to the project, which aims to stem global warming by reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Early next year - 90 days after Russia formally tells the UN of its ratification - Kyoto signatories must start making cuts that will reduce emissions of six key greenhouse gases to an average of 5.2% below 1990 levels by 2012. Environmental campaigners and international leaders have welcomed Russia's decision to back the treaty. Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said: "It's a fresh start for policies to combat global warming. I warmly welcome it." Russia's agreement was essential because the protocol could only come into force when ratified by developed nations that account for at least 55% of global greenhouse emissions. After the US pulled out in 2001, saying it would gravely damage the US economy, that figure could only be reached with the support of Russia, which accounts for 17% of world emissions Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:43:04 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: I can almost hear it raining On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Not that it matters that much who got there first, the question is how to > get 10 million people to reach some sort of agreement which starts them > respecting each other's human rights and stops them killing one another. That is exactly how I feel, and exactly how most people feel, I think. Too bad the radicals are so vocal. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: trying to make myself feel better On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Aaron Mandel wrote: > That's not true; the Democrats took both houses of the state legislature > in Colorado. We also took the Washington Senate, the North Carolina House, > and the Vermont House. I'm getting all of this second-hand from friends > who are trying to raise my spirits, so I don't have a complete grasp on > where else the Democrats gained seats Patty Murray, the senior Democratic senator from Washington, was running for reelection, so no gain there, just holding on to a seat. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:38:45 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Fwd: Hello from Haiti! On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Matt Sewell wrote: > For someone from outside the US, that sounds rather an arrogant > assertion. To be quite honest it pisses me right off when Americans go on > about how their country is the best, their political system is the best, > etc etc ad nauseum. I should have made it clear that I didn't think it's the best place to live for everyone. It's the best place to live for *me*. I certainly don't want to impose it on everyone else. I'm not one of *those* Americans. And I *certainly* don't think our *political* system is the best (I especially hate the fact that we only have two parties), though I am rather partial to our constitution. > It's irritating when the world's superpower is the most wasteful country > on Earth, one of the most right wing, waging war for control of > resources, trying to "open up" the world's economies in order to > ruthlessly exploit them, and while all this is happening the nation is > group-hugging and saying "we're the greatest". You're lumping the entire country into one amorphous unit. I: * don't like the US being wasteful * am not right wing * am not for fighting wars for oil * etc. I still like it here though, for all its ills. > And don't even get me started on the State of Israel... Yes, let's not go there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Re: trying to make myself feel better Well, this makes me feel better, so I'm happy to be wrong. Thanks, Aaron. Jill On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Jill Brand wrote: > > > And how poignant that this misery befalls with the greatest effect the > > Commonwealth of Massachusetts, home of John Kerry. This is the only > > state in which the Republicans actually lost anything (Mitt Romney's > > attempt to make gains on the state level came back to bite him in the > > ass). > > That's not true; the Democrats took both houses of the state legislature > in Colorado. We also took the Washington Senate, the North Carolina House, > and the Vermont House. I'm getting all of this second-hand from friends > who are trying to raise my spirits, so I don't have a complete grasp on > where else the Democrats gained seats without flipping an entire > legislature, but I believe that New Jersey, like Massachusetts, saw > Democrats' dominance expand, and in Minnesota the Democrats gained seats > to get within striking distance of 50%. > > I'm pissed about this too -- in some ways, more about the Senate than the > Presidency, because for a while it seemed like Senate races weren't going > to be decided purely by the Republican strategy of national division. But > there were gains. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:24:45 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: not all black and white OK, red and blue. Don't know if this has been posted before. Take a look. http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:29:33 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Dig me in tunnels (0% gerbil content) Robyn himself: "These were our 'basement tapes,' " Hitchcock says, referring to Dylan's famous, endless jam session with the Band that produced dozens of oft-bootlegged songs. "There was a Rex song and a Talking Heads song, John Lennon ... quite a number of recordings, really." Wow, they did one of my songs... someone musta gotten him a copy of Tinfoil Thoths after all. - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:35:07 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Disaster? This really puts Bush on the spot, will he be a man or his word and bridge the gap of differences, or will he continue to be a divider? - -----Original Message----- From: Luther Wills-Dudich [mailto:lwillsdudich@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 12:07 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Disaster? Well, Bush's folks may say climate change is just a plot, but Putin just signed the Kyoto CLimate change treaty into effect, so fu#k em. I know it's nowhere NEAR enough to reverse where things are going, but it is a start....which is more than the Bush folks will do. I think it would take another year of 4 hurricanes, with one wiping out the Governor's residence in Florida, for them to take climate change seriously... - ---Let the Carbon Trading begin (without the US)... - -LWWD Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:16:51 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Disaster Matt wrote: >Very scary interview on the radio this morning - with one of Bush's >climate advisors who said, in all seriousness, that global warming was an >EU plot to ruin US industry, and that all scientists who believe global >warming is happening, and happening as a result of human activity, were >either gullible or liars... The seeds are already being planted. I have been seeing a commercial lately with a talking eagle who is thanking the coal power industry for cleaning up the skies. The eagle is shown in 1970 choking on polluted air. Then in modern times he is breathing clean air. Expect even more relaxed mercury standards for the coal fired power plants. Michael B. ____________________________________________________________________ Putin clears way for Kyoto treaty Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed the Kyoto protocol on climate change - clearing the way for the treaty to come into force next year. This is Russia's final and crucial stamp of approval for Kyoto. The pact needed support from countries responsible for 55% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, which most scientists blame for global warming. After the United States refused to ratify it, only Russia could enable this threshold to be passed. Both chambers of Russia's parliament ratified the pact last month, but there are still fears in Moscow that Kyoto could badly affect the country's economic growth. The BBC's Sarah Rainsford, in Moscow, says Mr Putin agreed to support Kyoto only after European Union leaders offered their support for Russia to join the World Trade Organization. 'Fresh start' More than 100 countries have already signed up to the project, which aims to stem global warming by reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Early next year - 90 days after Russia formally tells the UN of its ratification - Kyoto signatories must start making cuts that will reduce emissions of six key greenhouse gases to an average of 5.2% below 1990 levels by 2012. Environmental campaigners and international leaders have welcomed Russia's decision to back the treaty. Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said: "It's a fresh start for policies to combat global warming. I warmly welcome it." Russia's agreement was essential because the protocol could only come into force when ratified by developed nations that account for at least 55% of global greenhouse emissions. After the US pulled out in 2001, saying it would gravely damage the US economy, that figure could only be reached with the support of Russia, which accounts for 17% of world emissions Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:56:25 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Back to music... Two things: - -I hearby announce the end, for real, of my annoying band-name sig thingy. My band is now named. The winner: Skates & Rays. That's us. Let me know what you think, but basically, if you don't like it, fuck you, and Tom Clark, fuck you even if you do like it. - -The year is almost over. I'm planning on picking up the new Neko Case next week and probably Ted Leo's new one, but otherwise have no more priority musical purchases. So does anyone have any major recommendations for stuff I *must* hear before starting to think about my "Best of 2004" list? - -Rex Broome (guitar and vocal, Skates & Rays) - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:12:59 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: trying to make myself feel better On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > Patty Murray, the senior Democratic senator from Washington, was running > for reelection, so no gain there, just holding on to a seat. I was talking about the State Senate, not the U.S. Senate seat. But unfortunately, like I said, I got this secondhand, and I'm having trouble finding news stories to prove or disprove it. I believe the State Senate was 25-24 for the Republicans before, so even picking off one seat would have flipped it to the Democrats. Okay, vote.wa.gov says the Dems picked up two seats. Go Washington! Looks like they also increased their majority in the WA House to 55-43. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:14:13 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Back to music... Rex Broome wrote: > Two things: > > So does anyone have any major > recommendations for stuff I *must* hear before starting to think about > my "Best of 2004" list? Arcade Fire - Funeral Jolie Holland - Escondido Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender REM - Around The Sun Stewart (that last one - sike! Man, is it dreadful. "REM Goes Adult-Contemporary". Their next album will be smooth jazz, I hear, with a guest appearance by Kenny G.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:10:30 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Back to music... On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Rex Broome wrote: > -The year is almost over. I'm planning on picking up the new Neko > Case next week and probably Ted Leo's new one, but otherwise have no > more priority musical purchases. So does anyone have any major > recommendations for stuff I *must* hear before starting to think about > my "Best of 2004" list? No recommendations, but very smart move getting the new Neko Case. I've heard it already and it's *great*, espcially the Shangri-Las cover! "The Tigers Have Spoken" is one superb live album. You know she's supposed to be releasing a studio album next year? She's coming to Seattle Thanksgiving weekend (with the Sadies) and I'm going. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:31:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: I can almost hear it raining > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Not that it matters that much who got there first, the question is how to > > get 10 million people to reach some sort of agreement which starts them > > respecting each other's human rights and stops them killing one another. On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > That is exactly how I feel, and exactly how most people feel, I think. Too > bad the radicals are so vocal. Interesting interview with Arafat's biographer Said Aburish on TV last night in which he was very critical of Arafat for missing a number of opportunities, but said that YA's basic constituency was the exiled Palestinians rather than those in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. He predicted that any new leadership would be less focused on the refugee issue, which I believe was a sticking point at Camp David. Anyway, I must read it. Although Sinn Fein and the DUP are still cursing one another in Northern Ireland, since Clinton, Holbrook and de Chastelain came over to knock some sense into them, they have on the whole eased up on the violence, so it can be done! - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Back to music... On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Rex Broome wrote: > > Two things: > > > > So does anyone have any major > > recommendations for stuff I *must* hear before starting to think about > > my "Best of 2004" list? > > Arcade Fire - Funeral > Jolie Holland - Escondido > Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender > REM - Around The Sun Good call with the Joanna Newsome and Jolie. I must add: Laura Veirs - Carbon Glacier Sarah Harmer - All Of Our Names to this list. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:50:31 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: not all black and white On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:24:45 -0800 (PST), Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > OK, red and blue. Don't know if this has been posted before. Take a look. > > http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/ That's very cool - and I was actually thinking of doing something rather like that, since there were very few states that didn't have at least 40% Kerry voters. I really hate the red/blue thing - esp. because rendered graphically according to the winner-take-all Electoral College system, it creates a far more polarized reflection of things than is actually the case. Those red states aren't all red, and the blue states aren't all blue either. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:46:03 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Disaster? I saw a warm, embracing quote in the CNN scroll this morning: Bush said something about how he "wants to reach out to anyone who shares our goals." Read between the lines.... Cute idea: http://www.sorryeverybody.com Eb - -----Original Message----- This really puts Bush on the spot, will he be a man or his word and bridge the gap of differences, or will he continue to be a divider? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:05:23 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Back to music... - -----Original Message----- From: John Barrington Jones [mailto:jbjones@pdx.edu] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:38 PM To: Stewart C. Russell Cc: fegmaniax_smoe.org Subject: Re: Back to music... On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Rex Broome wrote: >> > Two things: >> > >> > So does anyone have any major >> > recommendations for stuff I *must* hear before starting to think about >> > my "Best of 2004" list? > > >Arcade Fire - Funeral > >Jolie Holland - Escondido > >Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender > >REM - Around The Sun >Good call with the Joanna Newsome and Jolie. I must add: >Laura Veirs - Carbon Glacier >Sarah Harmer - All Of Our Names Mindy Smith - One Moment More Aimee Mann - Live at St. Anne's Warehouse (CD & DVD) Before Sunrise/Before Sunset - Soundtrack from the movies Joe Lovano - I'm All For You (Jazz) Michael B. PS Jetset is releasing the last 3 1980's albums from the Go-Betweens in double disc versions in the US/Canada next Tuesday, November 9th. Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express/Tallulah/16 Lovers Lane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:33:27 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: trying to make myself feel better >From: Aaron Mandel >Subject: Re: trying to make myself feel better >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:36:00 -0500 (EST) >On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Jill Brand wrote: > > And how poignant that this misery befalls with the greatest effect the > > Commonwealth of Massachusetts, home of John Kerry. >That's not true; the Democrats took both houses of the state legislature >in Colorado. We also took the Washington Senate, the North Carolina House, >and the Vermont House. I'm getting all of this second-hand from friends >who are trying to raise my spirits, so I don't have a complete grasp on >where else the Democrats gained seats without flipping an entire >legislature, but I believe that New Jersey, like Massachusetts, saw >Democrats' dominance expand, and in Minnesota the Democrats gained seats >to get within striking distance of 50%. I am not sure about all the New Jersey votes. We still have Andrews(D); who is a statewide political star, here in my district. He won in a landslide. The heavily populated areas of Northern and Southern New Jersey voted heavily for Kerry. I live in Camden County which gave Kerry something like 63% of the vote. I went to the supermarket after work on Wednesday and I have to tell you people looked devastated. >I'm pissed about this too -- in some ways, more about the Senate than the >Presidency, because for a while it seemed like Senate races weren't going >to be decided purely by the Republican strategy of national division. But >there were gains. I fear the total lack of balance more than anything. I think if you are a Democrat you should look at this as a wake up call to get involved. Sitting on your hands and crying does no good. Do something even if it is something as corny as writing a letter to your representative to remind him that you are a voter and you stand for something and he is there to represent those things...or else. Don't give up in what you believe in! Max _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:40:24 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Lovely The joys of electronic voting. _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:56:06 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Lovely On Nov 5, 2004, at 2:40 PM, Maximilian Lang wrote: > The joys of electronic voting. > > -11-05-ohio-error_x.htm> > > And the joys of electing frigid bitches to your board of education. I get so mad sometimes... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:00:42 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: In happier news... The Cat's Cradle gig really sounds nice! Thanks to whomever is responsible for seeding it. and, of course this: "After this tour, Hitchcock heads back to England and putting together a band for a spring tour" Dunno about the grammar, but I hope this is why he's blowing off San Francisco this time 'round. - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #318 ********************************