From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #309 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 30 2004 Volume 13 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Swap mix review: Laminate/Animal [Jon Lewis ] Sparks, Peel [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Sparks, Peel [steve ] Keeping you up on the bulge (NR) [steve ] in-store update [bisontentacle ] titan, eu, shit, ipod [] Re: Swap mix review: Laminate/Animal [Rex Broome ] Re: Swap mix review: Laminate/Animal [Rex Broome ] Uncle Bobby... [Rex Broome ] Robyn In-Store :: Atlanta [FSThomas ] RE: Red Sox...Peel...Laminate/Animal ["Brian" ] REAP ["Maximilian Lang" ] Halloween goths [Barbara Soutar ] the eu [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:37:56 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Swap mix review: Laminate/Animal On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 11:10 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:17:06 -0700, Rex Broome > wrote: > >> 16) Julian Cope, 24a, Velocity Crescent. >> Well, this is just nutty. Kind of fun, but probably more fun to have >> played than to hear. Weird raveup and slide-guitar type thing. Copey >> mostly intones gibberish... one of the few clear proclamations goes >> "Inna gadda da vida... when the music's over... white rabbit... that's >> an F-minor." > > That's actually "Mass in F# minor" - which (as are the other phrase) > is the title of a '60s psych "song" (in this case by The Electric > Prunes) - you probably know the other ones. > Oh no! Damn damn damn! Here I've been listening to that recording for 10 years or so and, every single time, thinking what a great punchline "that's an F-minor" was. Shit. I hate when the mishearing's way better than the actuality. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:00:10 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Sparks, Peel "This town ain't big enough for both of us" was a UK number 2 for Sparks in May 1974. "Amateur Hour" was the follow-up, which made number 5 in July the same year. Subsequent releases made 12, 16, 23, 17. Then "Beat the clock" made number 6 in 1979. AFAIK subsequent records were less successful. The NME went completely over the top about Sparks when Kimono came out, and there was quite a backlash from readers who felt (like myself) that decent pop music should have at least a trace of blues and rock in its composition. For those wanting to hear the wondrous and very beautiful John Peel at work, he reads an episode of a story about Kingsley Mole by Marc Bolan on each of the first three Tyrannosaurus Rex albums, according to this nice looking site: - - Mike Godwin PS Heard a track on the radio yesterday and thought "This is quite good, but the singer can't make those high notes on the chorus". It turned out to be Mick Jagger on that new film soundtrack he did with Dave Stewart... n.p. Donovan 'Celeste' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:21:23 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Sparks, Peel On Oct 29, 2004, at 6:00 AM, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Dave Stewart... You forgot to tell us which Dave Stewart. > An example of a "big sale" of graves and Buddhist altars at a local > shop. Zogby has it 47/47 today. At this point in 2000, Bush was up by 3. - - Steve __________ God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them. - George Bush, as related to Harretz by Mahmoud Abbas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:28:54 -0500 From: steve Subject: Keeping you up on the bulge (NR) There are three pictures with this article. One is currently on the front page at . NASA photo analyst: Bush wore a device during debate Physicist says imaging techniques prove the president's bulge was not caused by wrinkled clothing. - - - - - - - - - - - - - By Kevin Berger Oct. 29, 2004 | George W. Bush tried to laugh off the bulge. "I don't know what that is," he said on "Good Morning America" on Wednesday, referring to the infamous protrusion beneath his jacket during the presidential debates. "I'm embarrassed to say it's a poorly tailored shirt." Dr. Robert M. Nelson, however, was not laughing. He knew the president was not telling the truth. And Nelson is neither conspiracy theorist nor midnight blogger. He's a senior research scientist for NASA and for Caltech's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and an international authority on image analysis. Currently he's engrossed in analyzing digital photos of Saturn's moon Titan, determining its shape, whether it contains craters or canyons. For the past week, while at home, using his own computers, and off the clock at Caltech and NASA, Nelson has been analyzing images of the president's back during the debates. A professional physicist and photo analyst for more than 30 years, he speaks earnestly and thoughtfully about his subject. "I am willing to stake my scientific reputation to the statement that Bush was wearing something under his jacket during the debate," he says. "This is not about a bad suit. And there's no way the bulge can be described as a wrinkled shirt." Nelson and a scientific colleague produced the photos from a videotape, recorded by the colleague, who has chosen to remain anonymous, of the first debate. The images provide the most vivid details yet of the bulge beneath the president's suit. Amateurs have certainly had their turn at examining the bulge, but no professional with a risumi as impressive as Nelson's has ventured into public with an informed opinion. In fact, no one to date has enhanced photos of Bush's jacket to this degree of precision, and revealed what appears to be some kind of mechanical device with a wire snaking up the president's shoulder toward his neck and down his back to his waist. Nelson stresses that he's not certain what lies beneath the president's jacket. He offers, though, "that it could be some type of electronic device -- it's consistent with the appearance of an electronic device worn in that manner." The image of lines coursing up and down the president's back, Nelson adds, is "consistent with a wire or a tube." Nelson used the computer software program Photoshop to enhance the texture in Bush's jacket. The process in no way alters the image but sharpens its edges and accents the creases and wrinkles. You've seen the process performed a hundred times on "CSI": pixelated images are magnified to reveal a clear definition of their shape. Bruce Hapke, professor emeritus of planetary science in the department of geology and planetary science at the University of Pittsburgh, reviewed the Bush images employed by Nelson, whom he calls "a very highly respected scientist in his field." Hapke says Nelson's process of analyzing the images are the "exact same methods we use to analyze images taken by spacecraft of planetary surfaces. It does not introduce any artifacts into the picture in any way." How can Nelson be certain there's some kind of mechanical device beneath Bush's jacket? It's all about light and shadows, he says. The angles at which the light in the studio hit Bush's jacket expose contours that fit no one's picture of human anatomy and wrinkled shirts. And Nelson compared the images to anatomy texts. He also experimented with wrinkling shirts in various configurations, wore them under his jacket under his bathroom light, and couldn't produce anything close to the Bush bulge. In the enhanced photo of the first debate, Nelson says, look at the horizontal white line in middle of the president's back. You'll see a shadow. "That's telling me there's definitely a bulge," he says. "In fact, it's how we measure the depths of the craters on the moon or on Mars. We look at the angle of the light and the length of shadow they leave. In this case, that's clearly a crater that's under the horizontal line -- it's clearly a rim of a bulge protruding upward, one due to forces pushing it up from beneath." Hapke, too, agrees that the bulge is neither anatomy nor a wrinkled shirt. "I would think it's very hard to avoid the conclusion that there's something underneath his jacket," he says. "It would certainly be consistent with some kind of radio receiver and a wire." Nelson admits that he's a Democrat and plans to vote for John Kerry. But he takes umbrage at being accused of partisanship. "Everyone wants to think my colleague and I are just a bunch of dope-crazed ravaged Democrats who are looking to insult the president at the last minute," he says. "And that's not what this is about. This is scientific analysis. If the bulge were on Bill Clinton's back and he was lying about it, I'd have to say the same thing." "Look, he says, "I'm putting myself at risk for exposing this. But this is too important. It's not about my reputation. If they force me into an early retirement, it'll be worth it if the public knows about this. It's outrageous statements that I read that the president is wearing nothing under there. There's clearly something there." - - Steve - ---------- This big deal about Bush landing on an aircraft carrier? Talk about a 6-year-old kid with a Tonka toy -- we got it here. - Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:43:33 -0400 From: bisontentacle Subject: in-store update yep roc has added a few more in-stores to robyn's itinerary. TU 11.02.04 Borders-Chapel Hill In Store Performance with Chatham County Line at 6pm Chapel Hill, NC TH 11.04.04 Let It Be Records In-Store performance at 5pm Minneapolis, MN MO 11.08.04 Music Saves In store performance at 7pm Cleveland, OH woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:24:51 -0500 From: Subject: titan, eu, shit, ipod [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] first, http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/10/28/saturn.cassini.reut/index.html i won't comment much since so many of you believe this will lead to more profiteering and just puts us another step closer to the total exploitation of the known universe for the benefit, exclusively, of protestant caucasoids. - ------------------------ On another note, Europe is moving like an agile tortoise. How the hell could they pick this rube? "Rocco Buttiglione, the incoming EU justice commissioner, is opposed by a large segment of the 732-member European Parliament. The conservative Catholic has raised concerns by saying he believed homosexuality is a sin and that women are better off married and at home." http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/29/eu.constitution/index.html - ----------------------- about time. shame he can't take sharon down with him. http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/arafat.health/index.html - ----------------------- gSs nip - 5'15, the who ps, the ipod is really good in bed. - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:57:29 -0700 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Swap mix review: Laminate/Animal John Lewis: > Here I've been listening to that recording for 10 years or so and, > every single time, thinking what a great punchline "that's an F-minor" > was. Shit. > > I hate when the mishearing's way better than the actuality. Well, John Fogerty routinely sings the misheard lyric "There's a bathroom on the right" at concerts now, so maybe the next time Cope acquiesces to the inevitable request "Dude, play 24a, Velocity Crescent!", he can change it up, huh? - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:51:17 -0700 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Swap mix review: Laminate/Animal Firstly, thanks to Jeffrey for all the additional info on the unfamiliar artists, and apologies to everyone else for still being talking about it! > > 5) Swervedriver, How Does It Feel to Look Like Candy? > > > singles, and I'd heard their second album and thought it was dreadful > > faux-grunge > > Huh. That's weird - I never would've thought that. Sure you're not > thinking of one of those other zillion British bands of the > mid-nineties whose names began with S-? "Duel" in particular is a > brilliant track (that's from _Mezcal Head_ with the bull on the > cover). Well, I have "Raise" (and I kinda think that part of the limited shelf life of Shoegazer music was the fact that there were only a finite number of band and album names which fit the genre and they got burned through in short order), and found it a little more riff-happy than average for the idiom, in a good way. Mezcal Head I borrowed from a friend several years after it came out, and was listening to it lukewarmly in my office when a friend came in and said "Is this Bush? I hate Bush." Sometimes little things like that cement one's opinion when they shouldn't. But goddamn do I hate most things called Bush. > > 6) Sonic Youth, Within You Without You. > > I unfortunately didn't think of it at the time, but...this version > replaces the sitars with guitar feedback. And last year, an act called > Saicobab redid SY's "Death Valley '69"...and replaced the guitar > feedback with sitars. Funny how that works. I couldn't find the fluxblog link to that but would love to hear it. Saicocab is a Boredoms offshoot, right? > > 7) Macha, The Nipplegong. > So nothing to do with gongs attacking anyone's actual nipples. > You can stop cringing now. I wasn't picturing any attacks, just something dangling from 'em. Something larger than it should be, and sag-inducing, if potentially tuneful. > > 11) Sparks, Amateur Hour. > All of the above. That is: (a) they predate punk, but (b) they also > anticipated a lot of "new wave" (as well as being heavily influential > on Queen, which may or may not be to their credit), and (c) they are > from LA but (d) the guy often does sing w/a faux-Brit accent, and they > were more popular in England than here. Also: (e) right, their first > two albums were sort of toystore spazz-rock that early Split Enz > probably heard, and then they were kinda weird baroque pop for a bit, > and then they worked with Giorgio Moroder, so yes on the > disco/synth-pop tip. No female singer - but Russell Mael sang rather > stratospherically. And then there's the matter of Ron Mael's mustache. That helps. A bit. Does one brother sing everything, just in wildly differing styles, or... what? > > 16) Julian Cope, 24a, Velocity Crescent. > > Well, this is just nutty. Kind of fun, but probably more fun to have > > played than to hear. Weird raveup and slide-guitar type thing. Copey > > mostly intones gibberish... one of the few clear proclamations goes > > "Inna gadda da vida... when the music's over... white rabbit... that's > > an F-minor." > > That's actually "Mass in F# minor" - which (as are the other phrase) > is the title of a '60s psych "song" (in this case by The Electric > Prunes) - you probably know the other ones. Oh, duhhhh, shoulda pegged that. Copey seemed to be stuggling for another song title and indeed hits a minor chord before he says that, and I though he'd given up on name-checking psych landmarks. He also sounds really congested on this track, like a satanic Jonathan Richman. > > 17) Sixteen Horsepower, The Partisan (French Version). > Probably not the best place to start w/them. There's usually more > Appalachia about them, very minor-key spooky old ballads with banjo > and wheezy accordion. Well, as you know, I do hate all that shit. > > 18) Television, Marquee Moon (TVKQ Mix). > I figured either you'd like it, or you'd call up that Guido guy and my > kneecaps would be history. Well, it's hard to be a purist about a song that essentially exists so that its creators can twist it into different pretzel shapes every time they play it! > > 8) John Greaves/Peter Blevgrad/Lisa Herman with Robert Wyatt, Kewm Rhone. > Oh man - did I really mistype "its'"? I'm sure that was just a speck > of ink. Oh - it's "Blegvad" and "Kew. Rhone." Anyway - you hinted that > you wanted to hear some prog...thus my evil laugh. Wow, yeah, all those typos are *mine*... ironically I loosely quoted your evil laugh and then decided it had to be exactly as you wrote it... and in the process screwed up all the other letters. Fegs everywhere need to know: MY BAD. > > Okay, I don't hate this, but there's one really irksome smooth-jazz > > change under the melody bit. > > Ha. This predates laxative-jazz entirely - so it's not their fault. > Actually, that's one problem: when some aspect of a style or even a > song later turns into a cliche, thereby rendering it very difficult to > hear in its original context. > > > > 13) GRNDNTL BRNDS, Wind (v.4) > > Jeffrey has apparently met few songs with extended sections in 7/8 > > that he didn't like. > > Someone will thank you for the theme of my next mix. Hmmm..."Inca > Roads" by Zappa, "Back in NYC" by Genesis (or Jeff Buckley)... > > This is freaky. I am comforted by the fact that > > as recently as four years ago someone was able to come up with a > > keyboard sound that makes me go, what the fuck is that? > > Well, duh - it's a detuned rotary flange with wah-portamento fed > through a Waring. > Thanks again for the kind words - and it's good to know I'm not > necessarily the most verbose person on the list... Yet! All I need to do is send you a *three*-disc mix and we'll see how that goes. Still enjoying it, by the way. - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:13:24 -0700 From: Rex Broome Subject: Uncle Bobby... So, don't get to read much these days, but I've just about finish Bob Dylan's Chronicles... anybody else have any comments other than "whuh"? - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:55:13 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Robyn In-Store :: Atlanta From http://criminal.com: Where: Criminal Records 466 Moreland Ave. NE Atlanta, GA 30307 (404) 215-9511 When: Sunday, 31 October @ 3PM A return, return, return engagement for Robyn, who were always thrilled to have join us. Robyn's new record is a collaboration with Gillian Welch and David Rawllings and is a curious and creative effort that is testament to both camps involved. Though Robyn won't be performing here with Gillian and David, you can expect all the talent he embodies unto himself. It is extra cool, in our opinion, that his record is called "Spooked" and he's playing here on Hallowe'en! How neat!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:04:04 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: RE: Red Sox...Peel...Laminate/Animal > You need to get Monochrome Set's "Volume Contrast Brilliance" then. > Couple of songs of this 'truly international band' are introduced by > him. Tommy Vance said 'a truly international band'. Peel said 'I think it was supposed to sound like that ... ah, no problem' after Love Zombies. - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:20:33 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: Robyn In-Store :: Atlanta There's an in-store at the Borders in Chapel Hill election day, too, the day after the Cat's Cradle show. If luck is with me I'll be recording both. Larry > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tapermaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-tapermaniax@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of FSThomas > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:55 PM > To: Eaters of Tripe > Cc: VegetableFriends@yahoogroups.com; tapermaniax > Subject: Robyn In-Store :: Atlanta > > From http://criminal.com: > > Where: Criminal Records > 466 Moreland Ave. NE > Atlanta, GA 30307 > (404) 215-9511 > When: Sunday, 31 October @ 3PM > > A return, return, return engagement for Robyn, who were always thrilled > to have join us. > > Robyn's new record is a collaboration with Gillian Welch and David > Rawllings and is a curious and creative effort that is testament to both > camps involved. Though Robyn won't be performing here with Gillian and > David, you can expect all the talent he embodies unto himself. It is > extra cool, in our opinion, that his record is called "Spooked" and he's > playing here on Hallowe'en! How neat!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:10:20 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: Pale Saints/ Cleveland Show The Pale Saints "In Ribbons", also from 1992, is > my favorite overlooked shoegazer gem. Nuppy got IR after I played it for > him > on our way to the SB's Chicago show 2 years ago. He loves it. > > Michael B. Oh yeah! This is a good one and you can find it for cheap. Forgot about it...must dig it up now.... Who's going with me to the Cleveland show (leaving from Toledo)???? Dunno if I can make the in store, but I would almost rather see that... - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:33:55 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: REAP With unfortunate timing; opera siger and regular National Anthem singer at Yankees games, Robert Merrill. I had wondered about his health, as I had not heard him do the anthem in a while. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:10:38 -0400 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Halloween goths My daughter came home from high school today with this story. Most of the kids were dressed in costumes for Halloween. A goth couple looked odd to her, they were dressed as normal kids. Perky ponytail and white clothes for the girl, and white tee shirt and beige pants for the boy, all traces of spiked dog collars and black eye circles were missing. She couldn't believe they could look so ordinary. What a strange concept. She also noticed that many girls took this as an opportunity to wear their most daring clothe: hence a sexy nurse, a sexy maid, a sexy pirate, a sexy mountain climber, Princess Leia in a bikini, and so on. She herself had been too unenthused about school to dress up, but told people that she was the "personification of bitterness". Um, she hates school these days. Barbara Soutar Victoria, B.C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:14:02 -0500 From: Subject: the eu [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] >"Rocco Buttiglione, the incoming EU justice commissioner, is opposed by a large >segment of the 732-member European Parliament. The conservative Catholic has >raised concerns by saying he believed homosexuality is a sin and that women are >better off married and at home." >http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/29/eu.constitution/index.html but today, he steps down. "Buttiglione said that humanity periodically decided to purify itself by choosing "an innocent victim" to take on the woes of everyone else." - http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/30/eu.commission.reut/index.html those crazy catholics. i wonder if he reads fegmail? gSs ps. the ipod works well as an emergency light source, like a small flashlight. - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #309 ********************************