From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #305 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 27 2004 Volume 13 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: REAP? ["FS Thomas" ] RE: REAP? ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #304 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #304 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: REAP? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] John Peel [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Smoked a big cigar and drove a cadillac car ["The Mammal Brain" ] spoOKed [Tom Clark ] Re: spoOKed [Steve Talkowski ] Re: spoOKed [Rex Broome ] I HATE when people harp on that old wives' tale about "three's," but... [] Re: "secret" robyn gig in manhattan [bisontentacle ] Re: "secret" robyn gig in manhattan ["Maximilian Lang" ] Bob Seger [Aaron Lowe ] As we already know (NR) [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:15:50 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: REAP? Very, very sad. - --------------- Legendary radio DJ John Peel dies Veteran BBC broadcaster John Peel has died at the age of 65, while on holiday in Peru. Peel, whose radio career spanned 40 years, was on a working holiday in the resort of Cuzco with his wife Sheila when he suffered a heart attack. He was BBC Radio 1's longest-serving DJ and in recent years had also presented Home Truths on Radio 4. Radio 1 controller Andy Parfitt said Peel's contribution to modern music and culture was "immeasurable". 'Hugely missed' He added: "John Peel was a broadcasting legend. I am deeply saddened by his death as are all who work at Radio 1. "John's influence has towered over the development of popular music for nearly four decades. "He will be hugely missed." Mr Parfitt told Radio 1 Newsbeat Peel had been on a holiday of a lifetime when he died. He added: "He had gone on holiday with Sheila to a place where he had always wanted to go." Peel was born in Heswall, near Chester, and after completing his military service in Britain in 1962, went to the US where he began working for a radio station in Dallas. He joined Radio 1 at the beginning in 1967, and established himself with the late night programme Top Gear. He became one of the first DJs to give exposure to punk, reggae, hip-hop, before they crossed over into the mainstream. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3955289.stm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:16:22 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: REAP? Yeah - I heard too... I can't believe how shocked and how sad I feel. John Peel was a hero, and one I thought would live for ever, at least a long, long time. Cheers Matt >From: "Ghost Surfer" >Reply-To: "Ghost Surfer" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: REAP? >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:54:52 +0000 > >John Peel > >heart attack whilst on holiday... apparently > > > >----------------************************************************------------ >"There are times when i can't think about the future, when all my >days seem so dark and life seems cruel" - Mojave 3 > & >"Make a moment last forever, gaze across the ocean to the sun" - >Unknown >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:37:47 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #304 On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:54:52 +0000 > From: "Ghost Surfer" > Subject: REAP? > > John Peel > > heart attack whilst on holiday... apparently This is really awful news. Confirmed at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/ When Peel was on pirate Radio London in 1966/67, he played all the wonderful American music which we had never heard in the UK before: 'Safe as Milk' by Captain Beefheart, 'The Velvet Underground and Nico', 'da Capo' by Love, plus people like Glen Fernando Campbell and the Misunderstood, the Jefferson Airplane, Clear Light, the Grateful Dead, all the underground stuff. First time I saw him was at the Marquee soon after the government closed down Radio London: he was playing records and presenting sets by Tyrannosaurus Rex and the Social Deviants (Mick Farren and various pre-Pink Fairies). This really is the end of an era for me. - - Mike Godwin PS Must dash now, as I have a hospital appointment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:37:47 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #304 On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:54:52 +0000 > From: "Ghost Surfer" > Subject: REAP? > > John Peel > > heart attack whilst on holiday... apparently This is really awful news. Confirmed at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/ When Peel was on pirate Radio London in 1966/67, he played all the wonderful American music which we had never heard in the UK before: 'Safe as Milk' by Captain Beefheart, 'The Velvet Underground and Nico', 'da Capo' by Love, plus people like Glen Fernando Campbell and the Misunderstood, the Jefferson Airplane, Clear Light, the Grateful Dead, all the underground stuff. First time I saw him was at the Marquee soon after the government closed down Radio London: he was playing records and presenting sets by Tyrannosaurus Rex and the Social Deviants (Mick Farren and various pre-Pink Fairies). This really is the end of an era for me. - - Mike Godwin PS Must dash now, as I have a hospital appointment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:59:19 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: REAP? Ghost Surfer wrote: > John Peel Dang. He was good. We used to pass around tapes of the previous night's show in sixth year at high school, trying to outcool one another. I dunno what folks like Ivor Cutler will do without Peely. Sadly, some middle-exec in the BBC will already have got the CD presses going for a box-set bonanza. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: John Peel Michael R Godwin wrote: > When [John] Peel was on pirate Radio London in 1966/67, > he played all the wonderful American music which we had > never heard in the UK before: 'Safe as Milk' by Captain > Beefheart, 'The Velvet Underground and Nico', 'da Capo' > by Love, plus people like Glen Fernando Campbell and the > Misunderstood, the Jefferson Airplane, Clear Light, the > Grateful Dead, all the underground stuff. First time I > saw him was at the Marquee soon after the government > closed down Radio London: he was playing records and > presenting sets by Tyrannosaurus Rex and the Social > Deviants (Mick Farren and various pre-Pink Fairies). > > This really is the end of an era for me. Nothing says more about John Peel than while Mike thinks of a lot of great (or at least interesting) late 60s bands when he thinks about Peel, the first bands I end up associating with him -- mostly by virtue of the Peel Sessions eps/albums, since he wasn't on the air here really, are The Smiths, Joy Division, etc, and the main quotes in the BBC article are from the Super Furry Animals and Manic Street Preachers. 65 or not, he died before he got old. ===== "[The Bush administration] deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride." -- President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland "I wonder, even when Kerry gets elected can Bush still be impeached? I would love [for] him to be humiliated after all he's done." -- Elvis Costello Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:37:49 -0700 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: Re: Smoked a big cigar and drove a cadillac car i was watching the ALCS last week (for probably the first time since 1993!), and did a double-take when i heard a nirvana song. (something from *Nevermind*, but don't remember just which song.) turns out it was a commercial for a radio station. did they have to get the nirvana estate's permission, or are radio stations allowed to do that without asking? <> agreed. there are a lot of "cool" bands that i find underwhelming. but i actively loathe the fiery furnaces. thanks to sweet jesus for the library's "try it before you buy it" (or, "try it before you rip it", as the case may be) programme. you mean closest to spatially, or closest to emotionally? question: anybody every brew their own organic beer? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Smoked a big cigar and drove a cadillac car The Mammal Brain wrote: > i was watching the ALCS last week (for probably the first > time since 1993!), and did a double-take when i heard a > nirvana song. (something from *Nevermind*, but don't > remember just which song.) turns out it was a > commercial for a radio station. did they have to get the > nirvana estate's permission, or are radio stations > allowed to do that without asking? Since the song is presumably an example of what the station plays, they don't need permission since it's more of an example of the product rather than an endorsement, just as you could show food in a restaurant commercial. The music is the product (at least for listeners). ===== "[The Bush administration] deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride." -- President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland "I wonder, even when Kerry gets elected can Bush still be impeached? I would love [for] him to be humiliated after all he's done." -- Elvis Costello __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:10:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Smoked a big cigar and drove a cadillac car On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, The Mammal Brain wrote: > i was watching the ALCS last week (for probably the first time since > 1993!), and did a double-take when i heard a nirvana song. (something from > *Nevermind*, but don't remember just which song.) turns out it was a > commercial for a radio station. did they have to get the nirvana estate's > permission, or are radio stations allowed to do that without asking? You mean Cobain's estate? (Novoselic and Grohl are still alive :) ) I'm pretty sure radio stations are allowed to do that without asking: it's sort of like providing a sample of their programming. Of course they'll owe royalties, but my guess is they'd be pretty small. I think they'd have had to ask permission if the song was being used to advertise something else. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:52:35 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: but they're might bunch of idiots Jill wrote: >To Max, to Ed, to Michael, >No, Max, I could never be a Yankees fan. That would be like spitting on >my grandmother's grave. Being a Yankees fan is like being a Rolling >Stones fan. I have probably have close to 10 Rolling Stones albums on vinyl. However, I don't no if this is embarrassing or not, but I have yet to buy a Rolling Stones CD. I got tired of them somewhere back in the early 80's and never felt the need to buy anything on disc. Same thing with Bob Seger, and I was a big Seger fan in the mid-late 70's, and went to a handful of Seger concerts. I don't know if this was a topic yet - Lots of vinyl by an artist, but no CD's. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:01:25 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: but they're my bunch of idiots On Oct 26, 2004, at 1:52 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > I have probably have close to 10 Rolling Stones albums on vinyl. > However, > I don't no if this is embarrassing or not, but I have yet to buy a > Rolling Stones > CD. I got tired of them somewhere back in the early 80's and never felt > the need to buy anything on disc. Same thing with Bob Seger, and I was > a big > Seger fan in the mid-late 70's, and went to a handful of Seger > concerts. > > I don't know if this was a topic yet - Lots of vinyl by an artist, but > no CD's. > NOTE: The following does not apply to Gene Hopstetter. I guess it depends on your age. I don't know the average age of anyfeg, but I suppose there's a good amount of us who own very little vinyl. I've got two of those wooden LP crates tucked away in a closet, but about four times as many CD's. Make your own ethical choice here, but I don't have a problem using allofmp3.com to "digitize" my LP collection. Bob Seger? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:20:06 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: spoOKed I like Spooked! It's not the rockin' rekkid I was hoping for, but it's fairly upbeat and quirky. Nice harmonies and some intricate pickin'. I'll give 3 out of 5 iPods. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:35:24 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: spoOKed On Oct 26, 2004, at 6:20 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > I'll give 3 out of 5 iPods. Is that regular iPods, the U2 "Special Edition" model, or the new color iPodPhoto that just was announced today? ;) - -Steve (had I known the color model was being released this year I would've put off my newly purchased 4G pod by a few months...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:49:21 -0700 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: spoOKed > Is that regular iPods, the U2 "Special Edition" model, or the new color > iPodPhoto that just was announced today? ;) Damn, and here I am, stuck with a measly 20gigs of black and white music... - -Rex np. Various Artists, Animal/Laminate (a Jeff Norman joint) - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:54:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: I HATE when people harp on that old wives' tale about "three's," but... ..Greg Shaw and John Peel dying so close together seems a little mystical. Is Rodney Bingenheimer next? Kim Fowley? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:27:17 -0400 From: bisontentacle Subject: Re: "secret" robyn gig in manhattan one time at band camp, bisontentacle said: >the museum has added a secret gig for this wednesday in new york city. > > October 27 Sin-e New York City > > Unadvertised performance with > no opening act. Showtime 9:00 > pm. this show is now listed at sin-e's website and it appears that the showtime has been moved up to 8pm. also, tickets are on-sale now at ticketweb: woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:09:59 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: "secret" robyn gig in manhattan >From: bisontentacle >Subject: Re: "secret" robyn gig in manhattan >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:27:17 -0400 >one time at band camp, bisontentacle said: >>the museum has added a secret gig for this wednesday in new york city. >>October 27 Sin-e New York City >> Unadvertised performance with >> no opening act. Showtime 9:00 >> pm. >this show is now listed at sin-e's website >and it appears that the showtime has been moved up to 8pm. This is so tempting with an 8 PM start, if I hadn't worn myself out with 4 days in Vegas I would be there. Max _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:01:38 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: but they're might bunch of idiots >From: Jill Brand >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: but they're might bunch of idiots >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:49:36 -0400 (EDT) >To Max, to Ed, to Michael, >No, Max, I could never be a Yankees fan. That would be like spitting on >my grandmother's grave. Being a Yankees fan is like being a Rolling >Stones fan. I like the Stones, not as much as the Beatles , Kinks and Who...well, maybe more than the Who. >Being a Red Sox fan is a quirky kind of illness. The more >pain they bring, the more tickets they sell. I firmly believe that they >will screw up this 2-0 lead over the Cardinals somehow. If they don't, I >don't think most of Boston will know how to deal with it. We're so used >to bad news in October (and often before) that good news will make us lose >our identity. Kafka wrote a short story (I read this a long time ago, so >please forgive any incorrectness) about a man who everyday visits the man >in prison who killed his wife in order to taunt him. When the prisoner >dies, the man no longer finds a purpose in his life and so he dies (or >kills himself). Red Sox fans are in this rut as well. In the last two seasons South Jersey has become loaded with Bosox fans. I never saw a Sox hat here in my life until last season, everyone loves the underdog. At the beginning of the season I told my friend Steve that I thought the Sox had the best team 'on paper', looking at tonight's score thus far I may have been right. I remember in the very early 90's when the Yankees sucked, people would see me in a Yankees hat and say they wish the Yankees were good. They said it would be good for baseball, which I guess it has been for attendance. Boy, has it changed, now strangers come up to me and say"it's not fair". Of course they have not won a series since 2000 but people just love to hate them; which is fine, I am used to it. >Boston defines itself by the Red Sox, and I've lived here for 23 years >now, so I guess I've taken to doing the same. The Patriots (they are >another Boston area team, lest Bostonians forget) set another >record yesterday by winning their 18th regular season game in a row. They >have now won (ooh, that's a palindrome) 21 games straight. They knocked >off their division rival yesterday. Were they on the front page of the >Boston Globe? No, Curt Schilling was. Well, it is the World Series. Don't forget the Celts, one of the most successful franchises in American sports history. >Quail (hi Quail) once said that he gets a feeling of community by going to >big U2 concerts. I get the same feeling at Red Sox games. But I DO hate >the whole "Yankees suck" thing. Clearly they don't suck. We might hate >their guts, but they don't suck. No, you love to hate them. I love to hate the Sox, it's a sign of respect...at least with me it is. It becomes stupid once it passes fun razzing and becomes angry, what fun is that. Please do cheer "yankees suck", I think it's a riot. but if you guys win this thing what are Yankees fans going to chant, "twenty oh four"? Maybe "26 to 6" or "we suck"? As far as A-ROD, I thought it was low class what he did. Not so much that he did it but that he acted like he didn't do anything wrong. For crying out loud it was on national TV, everyone saw it and he's like 'what did I do? I didn't't do anything!'. It still was not as bad as Pedro beaning two Yankees then pointing at his head to taunt them, that should have gotten him tossed that time. It seems like he has decided that if you can't beat them bean them. I heard he has hit 19 or so Yankees since he has been in boston. Boston will probably lose him, it will be addition by subtraction. Max _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:19:52 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: Curses the return of E. Poole >From: "Bachman, Michael" >To: >Subject: RE: Curses the return of E. Poole >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:19:33 -0400 > >PS. Jill, you still have time to see the light! My father was a Giants > >fan, even after they moved and was until Mays left them. Now, he loves >the > >Yankees. There is but inevitable darkness for you on the path of fandom >you > >have chosen. > New York was some baseball town in the late 40's mid 50's with the >Yankees, >Brooklyn Dodgers and NY Giants. Too bad the Dodgers and Giants had to move. >Baseball should have had expansion teams in LA and SF instead of moving the >Giants and Dodgers. Max, your father must had had some great times with the >Giants and their fierce rivalry with the Brooklyn Dodgers. Yes he did, he lived in walking distance of Yankee stadium and the Polo Grounds. He would go to Giants games to root for the Giants and Yankee Stadium to root for whoever was playing the Yankees. For what it's worth he thinks Dimaggio was the best player he he has ever seen. He recently bragged that he never went to a game that was rained out, it's not that amazing when you can walk to the stadium. In the last few years; through a long series of odd events, he befriended one of the Giants from back in the day. His name is Whitey Lockman and he was on base when Bobby Thompson hit the homer when the Giants won the pennant, the Giants won the pennant. I think that it'sa big thrill for him. My father actually moved to California a year or two after the Giants... he says that was one of the reasons he went, my Mom denies it. Max _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:17:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: re: Michael Bachman: I have probably have close to 10 Rolling Stones albums on vinyl. However, I don't no if this is embarrassing or not, but I have yet to buy a Rolling Stones CD. I got tired of them somewhere back in the early 80's and never felt the need to buy anything on disc. Same thing with Bob Seger, and I was a big Seger fan in the mid-late 70's, and went to a handful of Seger concerts. I don't know if this was a topic yet - Lots of vinyl by an artist, but no CD's. - ------------ Seems like it has been, but I might be confusing this with some other forum. I own a whole messa CDs, so my answer isn't especially earthshaking, but my "leader board" goes as follows: Eight or more albums, no CDs: no one Seven albums, no CDs: The Moody Blues , Stevie Wonder Six albums, no CDs: Jandek, Jean-Michel Jarre, T. Rex/Tyrannosaurus Rex, Eugene Chadbourne Five albums, no CDs: Tom Verlaine, Phil Manzanera (incl. 801), Richard Harris Note#1: I *will* get a Stevie Wonder CD or two one day (especially since my vinyl copy of Songs in the Key of Life is missing the bonus single). Note#2: I still would like to find a vinyl copy of the self-titled T. Rex album, which would tie T. Rex with the Stevie Blues. Note#3: I wish I had *25* Jandek albums on vinyl. Checked out the Minus 5/Down with Wilco today. Yeah, not nearly as good as Let the War Against Music Begin. But, certainly worth having. I especially love "Retrieval of You" -- both lyrically *and* musically. It's raining, it's pouring, I couldn't run tonight and that's boring.... Eb ps Bob Seger??? Is this the first mention of Seger EVER on the Feglist? I wonder. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:18:53 -0500 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Bob Seger At 11:17 PM 10/26/2004, Eb wrote: >ps Bob Seger??? Is this the first mention of Seger EVER on the >Feglist? I wonder. Because I was curious... The first mention of Bob Seger on this list was in this message: From: Terrence M Marks Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 03:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bad Music The subject line says it all, but I leave it to similarly-curious fegs like myself to read the original message: http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/1997-1/v05.n149 Considering how much mail this list often generates, it's really quite amazing that Mr. Seger hasn't been mentioned more often, but here are the other instances I came up with: http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/2000/v09.n261 http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/2002/v11.n153 http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/v12.n433 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:32:57 -0500 From: steve Subject: As we already know (NR) George W. Bush, president of Cracker America. - - Steve __________ Our previous president studied at Oxford. This one was given a sightseeing tour of London and said it was ''diverse and clean.'' The Times also said Bush gave a ''pep talk'' to children about the advantages of reading over television. The children did not ask him to name the last book he had read. Just good manners, I guess. - Roger Ebert ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #305 ********************************