From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #300 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 21 2004 Volume 13 : Number 300 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #299 [Michael R Godwin ] Fiery Furnaces ["Marc Holden" ] Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? [Aaron Mandel ] reap [Jill Brand ] reap [steve ] Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? [2fs ] RE: pre-reap? [Eb ] Re: Apropos of nothing said lately (0%RH) [James Dignan ] Re: 2 weeks to go -- ["Cadtharsis" ] Re: 2 weeks to go -- [2fs ] Warning: repetitive post by MIA feg follows [Ed Poole ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #299 [Tom Clark ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #299 [Ken Weingold ] RE: reap ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Blame Canada (well under six degrees) [James Dignan ] Re: Fiery Furnaces ["Stewart C. Russell" ] and speaking of torrents... ["Roberta Cowan" ] Re: Fiery Furnaces [Bret ] Re: 2 weeks to go -- [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:09:37 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #299 > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:39:53 +1300 > From: James Dignan > Subject: Re: in this neanderthal world James: Dates of 'Neanderthal Man' and 'Apeman' from the same wonderful site http://yeahx3.ionichost.com/ > >Neanderthal Man (Godley/Creme/Stewart) > >GB #2 7/70 D #4 8/70 Apeman (Ray Davies) GB #5 12/70 D #8 1/71 US #33 1/71 from 'Lola Versus Powerman And The Moneygoround' (1970) So Hotlegs are ahead by 5 months. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:11:33 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Fiery Furnaces I saw the Fiery Furnaces again last night for the third time this year. They keep getting remarkably better each time. Back in February, they seemed a bit new to the whole live show and touring grind, but put on a great show--lots of short songs, not too different from their album arrangements. In June, when they opened for the Shins and were about to release their second album, they had just returned from a short UK tour with a new drummer in tow. The energy was higher--three or four medleys of their songs with lots of tempo changes and greatly revised song arrangements. The drumming was more of a focal point than it was previously. Eleanor played less guitar than she had previously and Matt switched instruments frequently. Last night they played one enormous mind-bending medley, with all the previous arrangements fractured, twisted, and reconfigured into one giant plasma ball of amazing energy. Eleanor didn't touch a guitar all night, instead focusing on singing at a breakneck pace. Matt never seemed to stay on the same instrument for more than 60 seconds. Toshi the bass and synth player, took a bit more of the John Entwistle role, seeming to anchor things solidly but still jumping in with some great lead rifts. But it was hard to catch a lot of that because Andy had to be seen on drums. He is astounding, to say the least. Off the top of my head, I can't think a single drummer I've ever seen who was this exciting to watch. I really hesitate to make the obvious comparison to Keith Moon because I never personally saw Moon play, and it also automatically puts him right at the top of the heap, but man, watch him play and try to tell me he's not about the best you've ever seen. I'm still stunned. Miss them at your own risk. You will regret it later. Tue Oct 19 @ Club Congress / Tucson, AZ Wed Oct 20 @ Paramount / Santa Fe, NM Fri Oct 22 @ Emo's / Austin, TX w/ Rilo Kiley, Tilly & The Wall, Now It's Overhead Sat Oct 23 @ Rubber Gloves / Denton, TX w/ Deathray Davies, Record Hop Sun Oct 24 @ The Proletariat / Houston, TX Mon Oct 25 @ One Eyed Jack's / New Orleans, LA Wed Oct 27 @ Echo Lounge / Atlanta, GA w/ Hidden Cameras Thu Oct 28 @ Cat's Cradle / Carrboro, NC w/ Hidden Cameras Fri Oct 29 @ Ottobar / Baltimore, MD w/ Hidden Cameras Sat Oct 30 @ The Khyber / Philadelphia, PA w/ Hidden Cameras, Chromeo Sun Oct 31 @ Maxwellms / Hoboken, NJ There are a few more shows on the calendar right now: Neil Innes on Nov. 9th Wilco/Calexico on Nov. 20th and Neko Case/Sadies on Dec. 7th Still, I think I might have seen the show of the year last night. Still hoping that Robyn Hitchcock announces some West Coast shows before the end of the year. Later, Marc "Shut up! Shut up, you American. You always talk, you Americans. You talk and you talk and say 'let me tell you something' and 'I just wanna say this'. Well, you're dead now, so shut up!"--Mr. Death (the Grim Reaper), Monty Python's Meaning of Life. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, 2fs wrote: > The fact is, the Electoral College gives the vote of some guy in > Montana far more value than mine. I'm not sure it does, actually. Bigger states also tend to have more concentrated media markets. Those markets cost more to run ads in, so that's kind of a wash, but campaign appearances and other techniques for getting free press are easier in urban places. I once saw a math paper that followed this line of reasoning to show that, by their model, states with about 6 EVs were the real losers; the lowest-population states, like Wyoming, were about as valuable to campaign in as Wisconsin. If I remember correctly. Er, so, the guy in Wyoming's vote might count more on paper, but (this paper said), it cost a candidate about as much to sway one EV in Wyoming as Wisconsin, so you would expect toss-ups in the two states to draw equal attention from the campaign. I have no great faith that the paper I'm thinking of was *right*, especially since I don't think they took ad cost into account. Still, it's not as simple as it seems. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:15:25 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Arcade Fire Eb wrote: > > I have the CD...gave it sort of a casual "car" listen. Seems > interesting, but wasn't immediately blown away. Need to play it again. I was sold halfway through the first track. And yet, I don't what it is about the album that I like. I usually hate that bombastic sound, but this works for me. > The Essex Green - The Long Goodbye Yeah, it's great. > Eels - Shootenanny! (also better than I expected, given that it seemed > D.O.A. promotionwise) I don't think it's their best, but still good. E's "MC Honky - I am the Messiah" from the same period is considerably better. > the Lonesome Organist/Forms and Follies Um, yeah. I bought this after some buzz on this list about it, but, frankly, it bites. Listened to it twice. Can't listen to it again. If you need one man band, Mayor McCA has the Organist whipped. I'm still to experience Bob Log III, who plays Toronto more often than he should. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:10:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: reap This year's New York Yankees. GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A very tired Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:43:09 -0500 From: steve Subject: reap Paul Henry Nitze - - Steve __________ Given Team Bush's almost Maoist sense of the transcendent importance of politics, political reliability is everything, and competence is nothing. - Brad LeLong ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:58:16 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:02:15 -0400 (EDT), Aaron Mandel wrote: > Er, so, the guy in Wyoming's vote might count more on paper, but (this > paper said), it cost a candidate about as much to sway one EV in Wyoming > as Wisconsin, so you would expect toss-ups in the two states to draw equal > attention from the campaign. > > I have no great faith that the paper I'm thinking of was *right*, > especially since I don't think they took ad cost into account. Still, it's > not as simple as it seems. If we're talking about the entire government apparatus, including how a candidate is elected, the legislature, the Supreme Court, etc....well, that's more complicated than I was getting at, which is simply that in fact and by design, the Electoral College ensures that the people (in the form of their votes) do not elect the President; and the last election made clear that this can, in fact, mean that the person preferred by fewer people, in the nation as a whole which is what the P. is governing, can win the office. And that's fucked up. And right now, the setup favors less-populous states (regardless of how much per vote, counting all campaigning, it "costs" to acquire an electoral vote*) which, currently, tend Republican. * I'm not sure, but it seems as if the model Aaron cites presumes that people are blank slates, and that their eventual voting decision comes from the input of the candidates in the form of their positions, actions, and other campaign activities. But that seems wrong: many if not most people probably had their minds made up well before the candidates solidified their positions, or even before we knew who the candidates were (i.e., not voting for Bush in any event no matter who else is running). So to say that different media markets and population densities influences the "cost" of gaining a vote probably doesn't reflect the way candidates actually campaign - which has more to do with one's base, and with what's in play. That is, if it's "easier" to get the votes of State X, because one gets more bang for the buck in campaigning to them, that doesn't necessarily mean candidates will campaign in State X - it's more important that State X be in play or crucial to the candidate's success. And campaigning is a separate issue from how much one's vote counts. Whether or not you're campaigned to, your vote counts the same. Along those lines, Marc A.'s conception of campaigning seems stuck in a curiously 19c framework - as if personal contact between candidates and voters is the main means by which voters decide whom to vote for, and candidates can be swayed by "the public." I certainly don't need Bush, or Kerry, coming to Wisconsin for me to know what I think of them. And as Bush in this campaign in particular has demonstrated, campaign appearances have little to do with contact with the public (since Bush's "public" is extensively screened) and about nothing to do, therefore, with the candidate forming views based on what that public thinks. Finally, the corporate influence I speak of can be boiled down to this: corporations have disproportionate sway because their power often leads politicians to make decisions that benefit the top shareholders of corporations but are harmful to society as a whole. Blah-blah-blah Santa Clara Co. v. So. Pacific RR blah-blah-blah corporate charters blah-blah-blah state revocation blah-blah-blah. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:34:02 +0000 From: 2and2makes5@comcast.net Subject: Re: reap (Bases + balls) Hmm, if the Houston Astros beat the Cardinals, we will have a mirror image (statewise) of the US presidential election. (And Joe Buck and McCarver won't have a team to be biased about) FOX gripe: The late-inning penchant for Fox cameramen to slowly zoom in/out on a fan with their hands together in a manner suggestive of prayer. 'nuff, Jon - -------------- Original message -------------- > This year's New York Yankees. > > GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > A very tired Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: theodius Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #299 I love fegmaniax! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:05:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: pre-reap? I must confess that I have totally lost track of how a thread about Marc Almond's bike accident turned into The Great Pussy Debate of 2004. Eb http://www.google.com/search?q=%22oppressive+udders%22&hl=en&lr=&c2coff= 1&filter=0 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:34:50 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing said lately (0%RH) Carrie! >It was, more or less, 4 years ago when I unsubscribed from Fegmaniax >because of the political ranting on list. I re-subscribed a bit after >that election and am most appreciative of what I read this time > >And now back to our regularly scheduled election programming. >Be Seeing You, I hope that doesn't mean you're unsubbing again! James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:00:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: pre-reap? Because a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. (Bonus semi-Robyn content!) On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:05:51 -0700, Eb wrote: > I must confess that I have totally lost track of how a thread about Marc > Almond's bike accident turned into The Great Pussy Debate of 2004. > > Eb > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22oppressive+udders%22&hl=en&lr=&c2coff= > 1&filter=0 > - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:09:27 -0600 From: "Cadtharsis" Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go -- Jason said: > That said, I'd still favor a nation wide popular count for the one elected > nationwide office (well, two-in-one). I don't think it's fair for the > votes of people in less-populated states to count more, and the concept of > states rather than citizens choosing the president is rather antiquated. If California has a population of 35 million and 5.8 million voted for Gore, 4.5 million voted for Bush, and 400,000 for Nader, then only 16.5% of the state determined 54 electoral votes. Each vote counts for 6 people, and each electoral vote is based on 108,500 people. Whereas if Colorado has a population of 4,555,688 and 883,748 voted for Bush, 738,227 for Gore, and 91,434 for Nader, then 19.4% of the state determined the 9 electoral votes. Each vote counts for 5 people, and each electoral vote is based on ~110,500 people. The votes of less-populated states don't count more, because there are factors of winner take all and voter turnout. - - Bill And why does DC get 2 electoral votes? Doesn't everyone else have to absentee ballot or arrive at their designated polling station for their vote to count? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:43:14 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go -- On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:09:27 -0600, Cadtharsis wrote: > If California has a population of 35 million and 5.8 million voted for Gore, > 4.5 million voted for Bush, and 400,000 for Nader, then only 16.5% of the > state determined 54 electoral votes. Each vote counts for 6 people, and > each electoral vote is based on 108,500 people. > > Whereas if Colorado has a population of 4,555,688 and 883,748 voted for > Bush, 738,227 for Gore, and 91,434 for Nader, then 19.4% of the state > determined the 9 electoral votes. Each vote counts for 5 people, and each > electoral vote is based on ~110,500 people. > > The votes of less-populated states don't count more, because there are > factors of winner take all and voter turnout. Where are those numbers coming from? Regardless, people who choose not to vote don't count: they're saying, I don't care who wins. If more Colorado people give a shit than California people, that's not Colorado's fault. The "factor of winner take all" is one of the problems w/the EC. Hell, it's one of the problems with our elections generally. As I said, the real problem is we don't have multiparty, proportional representation and something like instant runoff voting (less important w/multiparty proportional rep.) so there's no such thing as a "spoiler" vote. But how about this: if we're keeping the EC, why not assign the number of EVs based in part on the percentage of eligible voters who vote? If a greater percentage of Colorado people vote than Californians, Col. gets proportionately more EV. I don't actually endorse this - since it penalizes the people who do vote just because other people don't - but fairness isn't gonna happen w/the EC anyway. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:08:18 -0400 From: Ed Poole Subject: Warning: repetitive post by MIA feg follows hello friends... first, sorry to have lost touch with so many of you, i guess i just got busy for a couple years or something. (not that i haven't continued to read the digests from time to time) second, i apologize in advance for going over what is surely well-trod ground by this point. BUT, the reason i've come out of hibernation is to express my feeling that: "SPOOKED" is Robyn's best (and most consistent) solo work since "EYE." what a great album, makes me almost (almost) not miss the SB's v.2.0 - -- but i still wish that door had been left open... but, specifically about spooked, there's nary a weak song (as usual, when robyn writes about Michele ("English Girl") he is at his sappy weakest. on the other hand, he can also be sappy and superb, like "Everybody Needs You" -- so maybe it's just her (no offense, of course, i'm sure she's a wonderful person and i wish robyn all the happiness in the world etc etc. then again, happy artists have a tendency to become boring artists, so... go ahead and kick him out for a few months of productive songwriting michele!) but, really, what a bunch of songs (and strong performances). my faves, in order: "Creeped Out," "If You Know Time" (lyrically my fave, but it suffers in comparison to the SB's arrangement), "Everybody Needs You," "Demons and Fiends," (wow, what a vocal performance, huh?), "We're Gonna Live in the Trees," "Tryin' To Get To Heaven Before They Close The Door," and "Sometimes a Blonde." I really didn't expect much out of "Spooked," not after the mediocrity of "Luxor." But, wow. When was the last time I listened to a new Robyn record multiple times a day for the first couple of weeks after release? "Eye," i think. not JfS (though i like it more than many of you), not "Moss" (even if i love a couple of songs on there), not "Y&O" or even "Storefront" (though i like it a lot). SfB comes close (why did he put the best songs from those sessions on the "extras" disc?) Anyway, just wanted to share my excitement/happiness with you all - and say "hi" again. so, "Hi!" ~~ed ps what happened to "Briggs?" - -- When you're thin and damp and shoddy Just remember that you're in a body. - -- from "Human Music" by The Soft Boys ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:37:27 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #299 On Oct 21, 2004, at 12:06 AM, theodius wrote: > I love fegmaniax! > See, people? It's all about the love. C'mon now - group hug. Please help yourself to coffee and donuts, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:16:57 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #299 On Thu, Oct 21, 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > On Oct 21, 2004, at 12:06 AM, theodius wrote: > > >I love fegmaniax! > > > > See, people? It's all about the love. C'mon now - group hug. > > Please help yourself to coffee and donuts, fegmaniax? I thought this was testicular cancer! - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:08:25 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: reap >From: Jill Brand >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: reap >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:10:09 -0400 (EDT) >This year's New York Yankees. Incredible series, very stressful. I am glad it's over and I am a Yankee fan, it was stressing me out. Just remember the curse is not about beating the Yanks. >GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, aren't you from NYC? I thought I knew you...who are you? ;-) Max _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:29:51 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Blame Canada (well under six degrees) >Re: Blame Canada (well under six degrees) well, it is autumn there now. It'll get colder yet James ;) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:52:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, 2fs wrote: > * I'm not sure, but it seems as if the model Aaron cites presumes that > people are blank slates, and that their eventual voting decision comes > from the input of the candidates in the form of their positions, > actions, and other campaign activities. But that seems wrong: No, of course, not everyone is a blank slate. But you'll have a hard time convincing me that candidates for President aren't mostly campaigning for "swing voters" rather than rallying their base in contested states. Bush's strategy this election cycle might be an exception. I'm not sure how that matters, though. (And in response to your other question, I was talking solely about the Electoral College.) If it costs $5 million dollars in campaign funds to sway or secure one electoral vote in Wyoming, and $4 million to sway or secure one EV in Wisconsin, a campaign will do the latter. And to the extent that their audience determines their positions, the candidate will play more to Wisconsin than Wyoming. But you're right that the campaign isn't everything. If everyone in the country is dead sure who they want to have as President, and every state is split (say) 51/49 one way or the other, Wyoming has more power per person than Wisconsin. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:11:11 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:52:41 -0400 (EDT), Aaron Mandel wrote: > No, of course, not everyone is a blank slate. But you'll have a hard time > convincing me that candidates for President aren't mostly campaigning for > "swing voters" rather than rallying their base in contested states. Bush's > strategy this election cycle might be an exception. I read an interesting article - sorry, can't remember where - asserting that a lot of Bush strategists believe the 2000 election was lost by them because the late revelations of Bush's DWI convictions turned off the moralist vote. (Turned out losing the elction didn't matter...) And so the strategy this time is to make sure the fundie base turns out in force...thus the Dred Scott ref (code for "I will not appoint pro-Roe judges") and the ridiculous flap over Kerry's "lesbian" comment (i.e., distract attention from what the fundies' might view as a liability - a "deviant" so close to home!). In fact, in that light, the more the wingers' supposed dudgeon over Kerry's remarks sounds moralistic and sexually coded *against Mary Cheney's sexuality* (i.e., "cheap and tawdry"), the more they sound, to that fundie base, as if *really* they think it's disgusting too - but they can't afford to openly acknowledge it - cuz you know Christians are an oppressed minority. Speaking in code so "the liberal establishment" won't catch on is like catnip to those folks - they luvs their martyr mindset, I think. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:59:42 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: e6 torrents: OTC and of Montreal Since every right-thinking feg is also a monstrous Elephant Six fan, there are a couple of handy shows going down on easytree right now: The Olivia Tremor Control November 12, 1999 Lounge Ax, Chicago, IL: of Montreal schubas chicago,IL 09-27-04: Both are pretty well seeded, so you should get a fast download. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:10:36 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? Jeff wrote: > Along those lines, Marc A.'s conception of campaigning seems stuck in > a curiously 19c framework - as if personal contact between candidates > and voters is the main means by which voters decide whom to vote for, > and candidates can be swayed by "the public." I certainly don't need > Bush, or Kerry, coming to Wisconsin for me to know what I think of > them. And as Bush in this campaign in particular has demonstrated, > campaign appearances have little to do with contact with the public > (since Bush's "public" is extensively screened) and about nothing to > do, therefore, with the candidate forming views based on what that > public thinks. In both 2000 and 1996, candidate appearances in Washington were instrumental for getting Washington-specific issues into the national spotlight. If it doesn't work that way in Wisconsin, I'm sorry to hear that. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:10:52 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Arcade Fire for the Red Sox Stewart: > (but not in a boring smooth [think D. Krallzzzzzzz] way). Mrs. Costello just covered Chris Smither's "Love Me Like a Man" on her newest release, which even at only $0.02 per (or whatever it is) still should mean happier trips to the mailbox for Chris. Not that Bonnie Raitt's previous eighteen versions didn't hurt either. Chris is playing here the night before the two Robyn shows. To put that in perspective, it's like winning the pennant *and* beating the Yankess in NY to do it. Not that I minded seeing the Yankess play like a bunch of sick nuns. Hah! Not that I care for the Red Sox either, but Schilling's performane in Game 6 was one for the ages. >> the Lonesome Organist/Forms and Follies >Um, yeah. I bought this after some buzz on this list about it, but, frankly, it bites. Listened to it twice. Can't listen to it again. I can't imagine how anyone let this nutjub near a studio. He's intriguing for about 15 minutes as a live act. Michael "frustrated he can't vote for a "Cheney - Edwards ticket" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:21:24 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Fiery Furnaces I'm not getting Blueberry Boat at all. Far too wordy and contrived for this undemanding listener, so far. > I can't think a single drummer I've ever seen who was this > exciting to watch. Drummers worth seeing: 1. Jonathan "Butch" Norton - Eels 2. Mike Lindsay - High Water Marks/Preston School of Industry 3. Jeremy Barnes - Neutral Milk Hotel/Bright Eyes/a hawk and a handsaw All of these drummers have me wondering if what they do is physically possible. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:54 -0400 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: and speaking of torrents... There is a wonderful 1982 Chills show up right now. It is especially noteworthy because it includes many otherwise unreleased songs. Plus this is the 2nd Chills show posted in recent weeks! Now if someone would post something by the Muttonbirds I'd be on cloud 9. :) http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=10508 Cheers, Roberta - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart C. Russell" > Since every right-thinking feg is also a monstrous Elephant Six fan, > there are a couple of handy shows going down on easytree right now: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:45:30 -0500 From: Bret Subject: Re: Fiery Furnaces Jason Hammel from Mates of State, while not especially amazing on drums, it is quite entertaining. On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:21:24 -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > I'm not getting Blueberry Boat at all. Far too wordy and contrived for > this undemanding listener, so far. > > > I can't think a single drummer I've ever seen who was this > > exciting to watch. > > Drummers worth seeing: > > 1. Jonathan "Butch" Norton - Eels > 2. Mike Lindsay - High Water Marks/Preston School of Industry > 3. Jeremy Barnes - Neutral Milk Hotel/Bright Eyes/a hawk and a handsaw > > All of these drummers have me wondering if what they do is physically > possible. > > Stewart > - -- - --Bret Bolton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:52:44 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go -- On Oct 21, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Cadtharsis wrote: > And why does DC get 2 electoral votes? Doesn't everyone else have to > absentee ballot or arrive at their designated polling station for > their vote to count? DC doesn't have any electorial votes. - - Steve __________ Ladies and gentlemen I want to impress upon you that the battle that we're in is a spiritual battle. Satan wants to destroy this nation, he wants to destroy us as a nation, and he wants to destroy us as a Christian army. - Lt. General William G. "Jerry" Boykin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #300 ********************************