From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #295 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 19 2004 Volume 13 : Number 295 Today's Subjects: ----------------- heh [steve ] Robyn in Glastonbury - calling UK Fegs! ["Matt Sewell" ] Fwd: pre-reap? - now pillion seats [Bret ] Re: pre-reap? [2fs ] Re: pre-reap? [] Re: pre-reap? [Bret ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V13 #294 ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: pre-reap? [] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #294 [Tom Clark ] 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? [FSThomas ] Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? [Capuchin ] Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? [FSThomas Subject: heh Early voting started yesterday. Not much question who will win in Texas, but the fair city of Arlington is voting on a bond issue to help build the Dallas Cowboys a nice new $600 million plus stadium. I just heard on the radio that voters will be turned away if they're wearing Cowboy team related clothing, as it is considered to be electioneering, which is not allowed within 100 feet of polling places. However, paper pullovers are being provided to cover up the offending symbols if they can't be removed. Last poll had yes up by 44 to 42, with the rest undecided. - - Steve __________ While still at the Department of Justice, Rehnquist provided the best definition of a strict constructionist I have ever encountered. It was in a memo Rehnquist wrote while he was vetting Judge Clement Haynsworth, one of Nixon's selections who was rejected by the Senate. Rehnquist wrote, in brief, that a strict constructionist was anyone who likes prosecutors and dislikes criminal defendants and who favors civil rights defendants over civil rights plaintiffs. That is as candid and blunt as you can get. And that is the real definition of a strict constructionist. - John Dean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:37:40 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Robyn in Glastonbury - calling UK Fegs! Hellohello I've got my tix coming to me, but already, before I've even received 'em, I know that one of them is spare... if anyone would like it, please let me know. Cheers Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:03:02 -0500 From: Subject: Re: pre-reap? [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] >On Mon, Oct 18, 2004, Bret wrote: > around here (in the south US) its pretty much known as "riding bitch'. > go figure. actually, 'riding bitch' and the 'bitch seat' is an expression used by many motorcycle enthusiasts throughout most of north america, including canada and mexico. they say you can tell a lot about a man by his bitch seat. gSs nip - how many crowes, c. wonderland - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:29:14 -0500 From: Bret Subject: Fwd: pre-reap? - now pillion seats - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bret Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:28:51 -0500 Subject: Re: pre-reap? To: gshell@americangroupisp.com they say you can tell a lot about a man by his bitch seat. Thats where I strap the beer. Is this supposed to say something about me? I can't possibly see how. heh. http://atdot.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album02&id=beer - -b - -- - --Bret Bolton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:36:50 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: pre-reap? On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:03:02 -0500, gshell@americangroupisp.com wrote: > > actually, 'riding bitch' and the 'bitch seat' is an expression used by many > motorcycle enthusiasts throughout most of north america, including canada and > mexico. they say you can tell a lot about a man by his bitch seat. and this, from someone else: > I've heard that term, but when I said "p-pad", I wonder if it was > understood as "pillion-pad", but I know it as "pussy-pad". Not that I care as a non-motorcyclist, but I don't suppose all motorcyclists are neanderthal sexist pigs, are they? (Although judging from the crowd at the Harley 100th anniversary annoyance in Milwaukee last year, an awful lot of them are...) - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:38:04 -0500 From: Subject: Re: pre-reap? [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:28 , Bret sent: >>they say you can tell a lot about a man by his bitch seat. > >Thats where I strap the beer. Is this supposed to say something about >me? I can't possibly see how. heh. Actually, it says a great deal. It's the size and comfort level of the seat that matters and yours looks just fine. Also, I'd be glad to give you some advice before you make your next beer purchase. gSs nip - cry me a river, d. krall - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:55:04 -0500 From: Bret Subject: Re: pre-reap? On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:38:04 -0500, gshell@americangroupisp.com wrote: > [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:28 , Bret sent: > >>they say you can tell a lot about a man by his bitch seat. > > > >Thats where I strap the beer. Is this supposed to say something about > >me? I can't possibly see how. heh. > > Actually, it says a great deal. It's the size and comfort level of the seat that > matters and yours looks just fine. Also, I'd be glad to give you some advice > before you make your next beer purchase. I thought about not sending a link to that pic simply because of the beer sitting on the back. It is the best beer that one can get at the gas station near my house, AND my dad was coming over that day, and he likes that product. I'm more of a Northwest Pale Ale drinker myself (cascades, cascades, cascades). but you could leave natural light (or some other equally offending product) in my fridge, and it would still be consumed. - -b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:36:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V13 #294 Bret: >>around here (in the south US) its pretty much known as "riding bitch'. >>go figure. Okay. I just heard, for the first time, the term "flip a bitch" to mean "make a u-turn". Jersey thing, apparently. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:57:18 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #294 On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > Bret: >>> around here (in the south US) its pretty much known as "riding >>> bitch'. >>> go figure. > > Okay. I just heard, for the first time, the term "flip a bitch" to > mean "make a u-turn". Jersey thing, apparently. > > Back on the West Coast I used to hear people say "hang a bitch" for the same maneuver. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:14:18 -0500 From: Subject: Re: pre-reap? [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:36 , 2fs sent: >Not that I care as a non-motorcyclist, but I don't suppose all >motorcyclists are neanderthal sexist pigs, are they? (Although judging >from the crowd at the Harley 100th anniversary annoyance in Milwaukee >last year, an awful lot of them are...) If men rode mostly 'bitch', we would probably call it the bastard seat or riding bastard. I don't believe there are many neanderthals left, though I do see quite a few very heavily browed men with deep sunken eyes, short torsos, long arms and hairy knuckles in parts of europe and throughout most of wisconsin. Why do we still commonly refer to criminals as "bad guys"? Why do we call waste management personel, "garbage men". These, plus a long list of others are "sexist" terms by certain standards yet I hear modern, liberal, educated women use them all the time. The last time you heard a woman use either one of these sexist terms did you scorn her? When you used the term 'neanderthal', you were referring only to men. It is not a gender specific term, yet you used it as such. Please explain? Also, do you consider words like 'mankind', 'human', 'manhandle' etc... equally sexist? How about this? There is a new strain of cannabis from canada called 'fat bastard'. Should we boycott THCLabs for naming it such and why wasn't this raised as an issue before? It's called a double standard and I believe is the direct result of bad religion/improper crowd control or fetal alcohol syndrome. Maybe it's a combination of both, or maybe it has nothing to do with either. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:46:32 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #294 On Oct 19, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Rex.Broome wrote: > Bret: >>> around here (in the south US) its pretty much known as "riding >>> bitch'. >>> go figure. > > Okay. I just heard, for the first time, the term "flip a bitch" to > mean "make a u-turn". Jersey thing, apparently. > Never heard that! Years ago my brother and I began saying "hang a Leppo" and "hang a Reg" for left and right. It still pops up occasionally. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:55:08 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? I wonder if all the newly registered voters will push Kerry over the top? Did anyone hear about the amount? Wasn't it quiet high compared to normal? Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:02:46 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: pre-reap? On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:14:18 -0500, gshell@americangroupisp.com wrote: > If men rode mostly 'bitch', we would probably call it the bastard seat or riding bastard. [rant deleted] "Bastard" is not a particularly gendered term. Both "bitch" and "pussy" are - and both are inherently denigrating. "Garbage man" and your other examples, while they assume that a person is male, does not insult him. That's the difference. - --Jeff, writing dickbrained - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:49:32 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? Bachman, Michael wrote: > I wonder if all the newly registered voters will push Kerry > over the top? Did anyone hear about the amount? Wasn't it > quiet high compared to normal? Oh, yeah. Much higher than normal. Example: - --------------------- DEFIANCE, Ohio (AP) - Elections officials knew something was wrong when they got voter registration cards for Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy, Michael Jordan and George Foreman. They notified the Defiance County sheriff, who arrested Chad Staton on Monday on a felony charge of submitting phony voter registration forms. Investigators also were looking into allegations that he was paid with cocaine in exchange for his efforts. Staton, 22, had fraudulently filled out more than 100 voter registration forms, Sheriff David Westrick said. "Staton was to be paid for each registration form that he could get citizens to fill out," the sheriff said. "However, Staton himself filled out the registrations and returned them to the woman who hired him from Toledo." ...Officers said they interviewed a Toledo woman who claimed that she had paid Staton with cocaine for the registrations. Officers said they obtained a search warrant and took voter registrations and drug paraphernalia from her home. The woman claimed she had been recruited by a Cleveland man to obtain voter registrations, Westrick said. (Link: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041019/D85QG8S80.html) - --------------------- and another lovely one from Colorado: - --------------------- ...9News has discovered a record number of fraudulent voter-registrations across the state. Secretary of State Donetta Davidson tells 9News she is concerned about what the I-Team has uncovered and wants those responsible prosecuted. "It has just gone rampant," she told reporter Deborah Sherman in an interview Monday afternoon. Most of the fraud has come from registration drives, where people at grocery stores or on the streets ask you to sign up. 9News has learned many workers have re-registered voters multiple times by changing or making up information about them. 9News has documented 719 cases of potentially fraudulent forms at county election offices show fraudulent names, addresses, social security numbers or dates of birth in Denver, Douglas, Adams, Boulder and Lake counties. Information from other counties is still coming in. Some voter registration application forms are completely bogus. Others belong to legitimate voters, who have had one or two facts changed that could affect their registration when they show up at the polls November 2nd. Tom Stanislawski registered to vote six years ago. But this summer, someone signed him up again and changed his party affiliation. "My concern would be I'd walk in November 2nd and be unable to vote," he said. Some of the registration drive workers earn $2 per application or about $10 an hour. One woman admitted to forging three people's names on about 40 voter registration applications. Kym Cason says she was helping her boyfriend earn more money from a get-out-the-vote organization called ACORN or Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. ACORN works with low or moderate-income families on housing issues. Cason said her extra registrations earned her boyfriend $50. Gerald Obi says workers pressured him to keep registering to vote so they too could earn extra cash. When asked how many times he had registered this year, Obi said, "about 35 times." ACORN's state director said they are victims of the fraud as well and told 9News the group is cooperating with local investigators. Ross Fitzgerald says the group has fired workers for the fraud. "Our goal is to register as many people as we can," said Fitzgerald. "If they're fraudulent, that hurts our numbers." Clerk and Recorders from several counties met Monday with Secretary of State Donetta Davidson to discuss this problem, and the problem of felons registering to vote. "I have to question whether we should be allowing people to accept money for voter registration," said Douglas County Clerk and Recorder Carole Murray. Colorado Secretary of State Donetta Davidson agreed and said she will be looking at ways to reform the system. (Link: http://tinyurl.com/5o39p -or- http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=8ac173fd-0abe-421a-011e-5ce7dfcf561e&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf - --------------------- Of course nothing above mentions party affiliations with those involved, but I really don't recall too many Republican- (or Libertarian-, or American Communist)-sponsored voter reg drives. Every one that I've seen in recent memory has been sponsored by a local wing of the Democratic party. I'll make the reaching assumption. It's crap like those two examples, though, that lead me to be incredibly skeptical when people talk about voter reg drives, Get Out The Vote campaigns, and swollen voter ranks. It's also stories like the above that make me *extremely* suspect of the fear-mongering mention of voter "intimidation." Being asked to produce photo id to vote? That's not intimidation. You have to produce ID to buy booze--are you intimidated then? Please. A cop (a single. solitary cop) within 500 feet of a polling place? Not intimidating. I have yet to see dogs and water hoses set up outside voting precincts. *That* would be intimidation. I guess a normal, everyday election would be too much to ask. I'm pretty sure that it is, seeing the snap from a DNC Election Day Manual below. A quote: "If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a 'pre-emptive strike' (particularly well-suited to states in which test techniques have been tried in the past)." Lovely. If it's not happening, just make it up! Wonderful. http://ochremedia.com/blog/media/dnc.jpg - -ferris "excuse me whilst I crawl back under my rock" thomas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:26:39 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? Ferris wrote: >It's also stories like the above that make me *extremely* suspect of the >fear-mongering mention of voter "intimidation." >Being asked to produce photo id to vote? That's not intimidation. You >have to produce ID to buy booze--are you intimidated then? Please. >A cop (a single. solitary cop) within 500 feet of a polling place? Not >intimidating. >I have yet to see dogs and water hoses set up outside voting precincts. *That* would be intimidation. We have radio spots in Michigan stating "If you feel you are being intimidated at your precinct, please report it immediately to a nearby election official". That should help take care of the intimidators and also should help legitimize the complaints if reports are created and intimidation is verified. I am not sure if similar radio spots are being broadcast in other states or if warnings will be posted at precincts. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:39:15 -0500 From: Subject: Re: pre-reap? [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:02 , 2fs sent: >"Bastard" is not a particularly gendered term. When was the last you heard a woman call another woman a bastard, for instance? I have heard women call men bastards and never in a positive manner. I have also heard men call other men bastards. I have never heard a man call a woman, for instance "a sorry ass'd bastard". It is in fact a particularly gendered term in modern use. >Both "bitch" and "pussy" are - and both are inherently denigrating. And bastard isn't? That is wrong. When was the last time you heard it used in a non-denigrating manner in reference to anything, even an illegitimate or fatherless birth? An illegitimate or fatherless male or female could be classified socially as a bastard child, but they never are any more. Bitch is used quite often in a totally non-gendered manner to mean a hassle or a hard time. I have heard the term used and the image of a scornful, scolding, bad woman is not what comes to mind or is used in association. When I think of pussy, or use the term, I am thinking and or doing nothing denigrating. I love everything about the word and all of the associations that come to my mind. >"Garbage man" and your other examples, while they assume that a person is male, >does not insult him. But doesn't it insult her? And referring to criminals in a general manner as, "bad guys" is not an insult to him? > That's the difference. No, actually that's the double standard. Since you did not respond to my questioning of your use of the term neanderthal, I will repeat it. When you used the term 'neanderthal' in a previous note, you were referring only to men. Neanderthal is not a gender specific term, yet you used it as such. Please explain this? gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, FSThomas wrote: > Of course nothing above mentions party affiliations with those involved, > but I really don't recall too many Republican- (or Libertarian-, or > American Communist)-sponsored voter reg drives. Every one that I've seen > in recent memory has been sponsored by a local wing of the Democratic > party. I'll make the reaching assumption. Well, that's not the case here. In Portland a couple of weeks ago, a man was caught throwing a handful of voter registration forms in the trash. When they pulled out the forms, they found that all of the cards were for folks registering as non-Republicans. Turns out the guy was getting paid per Republican registration but wouldn't get any money for people that registered as anything else, so he was just tossing them. This was discovered just days before the registration deadline, so nobody knows how many people are hurt by the thing. In Oregon, there is no harm in the same person registering many times except for the extra strain on clerical workers who enter the data. And since we don't have anything like "straight ticket" voting and there are no polling places, registering someone as a different party has no effect except at the primaries. > It's crap like those two examples, though, that lead me to be incredibly > skeptical when people talk about voter reg drives, Get Out The Vote > campaigns, and swollen voter ranks. Well, I've NEVER liked "get out the vote" drives because I don't think folks who don't care to get out and register themselves can possibly be informed enough to do any better than add noise to the system. At worst, they will vote along the lines most prevalent in the big media that inundate even (or perhaps especially) the laziest person's senses. > It's also stories like the above that make me *extremely* suspect of the > fear-mongering mention of voter "intimidation." I don't know what that means. > Being asked to produce photo id to vote? That's not intimidation. You > have to produce ID to buy booze--are you intimidated then? Please. When you buy booze, do they both check your idea and note down what you, specifically, bought and when and turn that information into the most powerful espionage and domestic military force in the world which might possibly be quite upset with your choice and have reason to make you choose differently or not choose at all next time? I don't think so. > A cop (a single. solitary cop) within 500 feet of a polling place? Not > intimidating. A cop is nothing but a hired thug. His entire purpose in life is to intimidate. Anyway, we just got rid of the polling places. That seems to have helped quite a bit. (Though it has also increased the geriatric shut-in vote, which usually doesn't help the future any at all.) > A quote: > > "If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a > 'pre-emptive strike' (particularly well-suited to states in which test > techniques have been tried in the past)." > > Lovely. If it's not happening, just make it up! That's not at all what the quote says, sir. I understand why you might think "pre-emptive strike" means making up things in order to justify an attack given recent world events, but that's not the generally accepted meaning of the term. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:22:11 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: pre-reap? On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:39:15 -0500, gshell@americangroupisp.com wrote: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:02 , 2fs sent: > >"Bastard" is not a particularly gendered term. > > When was the last you heard a woman call another woman a bastard, for instance? It's still less gendered than the other terms, if only because its historical usage is not gendered - whereas "bitch" unambiguously is, and "pussy" (in that sense) most assuredly is as well. The other thing is this: when you call a woman a bitch, you're saying something negative about her that's supposedly inherent in her status as a woman. (If you call a guy a bitch, you're effeminizing him, aren't you?) But when you call a guy a bastard, are you calling out something about his qualities that's viewed as inherently male...or is just that we typically call men bastards more often than women? To reverse that: if someone were to say, the landlady's being a real bastard about fixing that door, does that imply that she's inappropriately manly for a woman? I don't think so. But if you say, the landlord's being a real bitch, there's an implication that there's something effeminate in his approach to the problem (different from "the problem's a real bitch," btw.) And even if you don't think so, language is inherently social...and you can be sure plenty of other people are going to read it that way. > Bitch is used quite > often in a totally non-gendered manner to mean a hassle or a hard time. I have > heard the term used and the image of a scornful, scolding, bad woman is not what > comes to mind or is used in association. But that use of the term *comes* from the usage of the term to mean "unpleasant, unruly woman." What "comes to mind" for you isn't what "comes to mind" for everyone, nor is it what's in the history of the word, or in the network of associations that history carries along with the word. Language is more complex than just what comes to mind for the speaker. When I think of pussy, or use the term, I > am thinking and or doing nothing denigrating. I love everything about the word and > all of the associations that come to my mind. That's very kind of you, sir: does it work when you use it to meet a woman you don't know at a bar? If not, why not? Might it be because it's often used as an insult, or because it implicitly reduces the woman entirely to her genitalia? > When you used the term 'neanderthal' in a previous note, you were referring only > to men. Neanderthal is not a gender specific term, yet you used it as such. Please > explain this? I think you're misunderstanding what it means to say a term is "gendered" or "gender-specific." It does not mean that, in any particular usage, it happens to refer to a man or to a woman. It means that the term itself, irrespective of any particular usage, includes in its meaning or history gender associations. "Neanderthal" has no such history or associations (and fwiw, a lot of anthropologists think Neanderthals get a bad rap and were more intelligent, perhaps even "cultured," than the stereotype. Not that that matters here). Anyway: referring to "riding bitch" or the seat as the "pussy pad" clearly refers both to women, not to "it's a bitch" or to kitty cats, and clearly in a not-very-complimentary fashion. Let's put it this way: do you think most guys would want to be thought of as "riding bitch" or as occupying a "pussy pad"? If not, why not? Really, this seems pretty obvious to me - I'm not sure why you're tying yourself in philosophical knots trying to make them innocuous terms. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:29:26 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: 2 weeks to go to the election, will all the newly registered voters make a difference? Capuchin wrote: >>Being asked to produce photo id to vote? That's not intimidation. You >>have to produce ID to buy booze--are you intimidated then? Please. > > When you buy booze, do they both check your idea and note down what you, > specifically, bought and when and turn that information into the most > powerful espionage and domestic military force in the world which might > possibly be quite upset with your choice and have reason to make you > choose differently or not choose at all next time? I don't think so. Three words: Tin Foil Hat. In the UK (FegUKs, currect me if I'm wrong) they have a National Heath Service (NHS, or some similar acronym--forgive me, it's been years since I've been over--). They have a "right" to health care. When they exercise that right, they go to the hospital and produce an NHS card with a number on it. How is exercising your right to vote in the US any different? Wanna vote? Produce evidence you're who you say you are. Double- (or triple-) voting is disgusting, IMHO. It's dishonest and should be a federal offence. "Election tampering" or something to that effect. Hell, fake voter reg drives could even be considered racketeering, I would bet. Either way we've *already* got people voting in Florida and sending absentee ballots to New York (and vice-versa and to other states). Punishable offense, I say. What other purpose could you have for voting multiple times other than to defraud the system? "Err...it's been a long morning. I can't remember if I've voted yet or not...better go do it again." Please. >>A cop (a single. solitary cop) within 500 feet of a polling place? Not >>intimidating. > > A cop is nothing but a hired thug. His entire purpose in life is to > intimidate. Your disdain for authority is duely noted. Hell, it's bordering on the anarchistic. You shouldn't be voting if you believe "There's No Government Like No Government." (Shit! Is that voter intimidation?) > Anyway, we just got rid of the polling places. That seems to have helped > quite a bit. (Though it has also increased the geriatric shut-in vote, > which usually doesn't help the future any at all.) How exactly do they deal with no polling places? So there's no community-based or centralized location where y'all queue up and cast ballots? I've got to stumble down to the end of my street to the local school and vote. The geriatric vote was a force to be reckoned with in the last town I lived in back up in Connecticut. Three massive retirement communities. Those folks were *not* fond of funding school budgets by any stretch. >>A quote: >> >>"If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a >>'pre-emptive strike' (particularly well-suited to states in which test >>techniques have been tried in the past)." >> >>Lovely. If it's not happening, just make it up! > > > That's not at all what the quote says, sir. I understand why you might > think "pre-emptive strike" means making up things in order to justify an > attack given recent world events, but that's not the generally accepted > meaning of the term. What else can it mean? "If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet..." then what's the problem? If there's no so-called intimidation, there. Is. No. Intimidation. I just fear what happens if Kerry loses. I'm sure the lawsuits have already been filed. - -f. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #295 ********************************